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Australia [442/8d & 138] defeat England [227 & 233] by 120 runs to go 2-0 up in The Ashes

Brilliant hundred by Shaun Marsh. Australia well on top now.
 
Aman said:
It really is becoming a big 2 :13:

Do you think they can drop the Fab 4 and just call it the Big 2?

Kane and Root are nowhere as good as Smith and Kohli.
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The last two years have certainly opened up a gap between Smith/Kohli and Root/Kane.

And it's getting larger by the day.

Root has been the most disappointing because he has no excuse to lean on.
 
kingusama92 said:
The last two years have certainly opened up a gap between Smith/Kohli and Root/Kane.

And it's getting larger by the day.

Root has been the most disappointing because he has no excuse to lean on.
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Seemed like a marketing ploy from journos tbh. It's good now that we have a clear hierachy of Smith and Kohli, then the rest.

Kane and Root are really on the same level as every great batsmen today. They're not the bar like Smith and Kohli are.

They hyped Kane and Root up like all time greats of the game, but I never really saw it. They'll be NZ/Eng greats, that's all.
 
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Aman said:
Seemed like a marketing ploy from journos tbh. It's good now that we have a clear hierachy of Smith and Kohli, then the rest.

Kane and Root are really on the same level as every great batsmen today. They're not the bar like Smith and Kohli are.

They hyped Kane and Root up like all time greats of the game, but I never really saw it. They'll be NZ/Eng greats, that's all.
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Still, Kane and Root will still end their careers as the best batsman from their respective countries.
 
Rayyman said:
Still, Kane and Root will still end their careers as the best batsman from their respective countries.
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Maybe Root, but Kane wont surpass Crowe (statistically he will) and I don't think he'll finish as an all time great of the game.

The only all time greats of this era are Steyn, Amla, Ashwin, Kohli, Smith, Rabada and Hazlewood IMO.
 
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IMO Hardik Pandya has a better chance of finishing as an all time great cricketer than Kane and Root.

I know it's early days, but he has the elite mentality and confidence needed to be successful.

Obviously being an A/R helps.
 
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Aman said:
IMO Hardik Pandya has a better chance of finishing as an all time great cricketer than Kane and Root.

I know it's early days, but he has the elite mentality and confidence needed to be successful.

Obviously being an A/R helps.
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I think Root and Kane are equal if not better than Kohli in Tests.

Only reason VK is looking million dollars right now is because of bullying poor attacks (SL, NZ, BD) on flat tracks.

KW and Root very rarely play poor teams.
 
Rayyman said:
I think Root and Kane are equal if not better than Kohli in Tests.

Only reason VK is looking million dollars right now is because of bullying poor attacks (SL, NZ, BD) on flat tracks.

KW and Root very rarely play poor teams.
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Nah, both of them don't have the champion mentality Smith and Kohli possess. Both are match winners who can win you a match. Kane and Root aren't at that level and I wouldn't call them out and out match winners like those two.

Btw Kohli was scoring runs against England too.
 
Aman said:
Nah, both of them don't have the champion mentality Smith and Kohli possess. Both are match winners who can win you a match. Kane and Root aren't at that level and I wouldn't call them out and out match winners like those two.

Btw Kohli was scoring runs against England too.
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I've never seen Kohli win his team a
match against a good Test side in tough conditions.

England doesn't count. 40 year old YK scored 200 against the same attack too.

For example Smith's 100 at Pune. Or Kane's 192 at Sharjah.
 
Rayyman said:
I've never seen Kohli win his team a
match against a good Test side in tough conditions.

England doesn't count. 40 year old YK scored 200 against the same attack too.

For example Smith's 100 at Pune. Or Kane's 192 at Sharjah.
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Kane's knock was a supporting 100 to McCullums blitz.
 
Lol, these Aussie commentators really do rub it in. Keep calling England players unlucky as if a bit of luck would've changed anything. They've said it so many times now, I'm confident they're being sarcastic and it's an inside joke.
 
Hiraeth said:
The same question could be asked about Ballance and Vince. Haven't seen much of Stoneman but he doesn't look like he's going to last long at this level either.
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Read above.

Vince scored 83 last game and set the game up pretty well.
 
Wow look at the score. England suck. They're still living off that fluke series win in SA. Aside from that haven't done anything special. Would rate even New Zealand and maybe Sri Lanka ahead of them atm.
 
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This sucks.

It would be better if it was Aus/India, NZ/Eng and WI/SL.
 
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I think India would be able to score runs on these pitches tbh.

But we'd probably see scores of 500/5 dec from Aus.

Aus would take a 4 match series 2-0.
 
I know that the Aussies don’t like the follow-on (partly thanks to Botham and Laxman) but surely as an exception it would be a good move here. England could potentially be going back in under lights tonight, and to be blunt with their currently shot mental state the whole thing could be over tomorrow afternoon.
 
James said:
I know that the Aussies don’t like the follow-on (partly thanks to Botham and Laxman) but surely as an exception it would be a good move here. England could potentially be going back in under lights tonight, and to be blunt with their currently shot mental state the whole thing could be over tomorrow afternoon.
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That's what I was thinking when I brought it up.

Could knock the top order tonight and finish the game session 1 tomorrow.
 
Too much strain on pacemen.. Follow-on isn't a favorable move unless 2 spinners are operating the attack.

Especially Ausssie bowlers are already struggling with fitness.
 
Rayyman said:
I think Root and Kane are equal if not better than Kohli in Tests.

Only reason VK is looking million dollars right now is because of bullying poor attacks (SL, NZ, BD) on flat tracks.

KW and Root very rarely play poor teams.
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Root's average vs NZ and BD is nothing to write home about.

vs NZ: 39.53
vs BANG: 24.50

One could argue his average would go down if he played them more.

Just like Virat hasn't done that well against WI (38.61 AVG). It's not always a given. :)
 
Chrish said:
Too much strain on pacemen.. Follow-on isn't a favorable move unless 2 spinners are operating the attack.

Especially Ausssie bowlers are already struggling with fitness.
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True, the Aussie bowlers are quite fragile too.
 
It's their wickets that are so unforgiving.. Being pace bowler over there ain't easy.
 
No chance for follow on. Oz will give their pacers every chance to rest & get through this 5 match series with no breakdowns.
 
Tough luck for Ali and Bairstow. They were batting pretty well but ended up being dismissed by a couple of fantastic caught ans bowled.
 
James said:
I know that the Aussies don’t like the follow-on (partly thanks to Botham and Laxman) but surely as an exception it would be a good move here. England could potentially be going back in under lights tonight, and to be blunt with their currently shot mental state the whole thing could be over tomorrow afternoon.
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A lot of people peddle that myth.
 
Overton and Woakes, highest partnership in the innings - 33 not out. Acutely embarrassing stuff today!!
 
James said:
Overton and Woakes, highest partnership in the innings - 33 not out. Acutely embarrassing stuff today!!
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Not surprising, they are looking to score runs. Others were at the pitch to play balls.
 
James said:
I know that the Aussies don’t like the follow-on (partly thanks to Botham and Laxman) but surely as an exception it would be a good move here. England could potentially be going back in under lights tonight, and to be blunt with their currently shot mental state the whole thing could be over tomorrow afternoon.
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Why risk it?
 
Dunno why people are talking about the follow-on, Woakes is going to score a ton and drag England back into this game :rahat1
 
LastManstanding said:
Well done :srini
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The only explanation is that Woakes decided he had punished the Aussies bowlers enough to make them want to run into the dressing room instead of enforcing the follow-on, so he gave his wicket away to make sure that England can bowl under the lights.

Woakes is a genius :rahat
 
James said:
Definitely not a myth
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Steve Waugh was captain in the Laxman match and in the next seven matches following that match where Australia had the opportunity to make the opposition follow on they did.

Thats why its a myth.
 
So England bundled out for 227, trailing behind by 215 runs. Ideally Australia would like to bat for 3 sessions, and pile on about 250 runs before putting in England under lights tomorrow. Holding up for 4 full sessions, with 2 of them being under lights, I honestly see no way in which England can save this match.
 
One can suspect that, if Warner survives until the close, he will be rewarded handsomely for his patience tomorrow. His strike rate in this series is 57, his lowest in Australia.
 
Arham_PakFan said:
Australia just need a 100 more runs.England won’t be able to chase anything over 300.
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I don't see England winning either but the one thing I'll say in mitigation is that in day-night Tests, pitches don't tend to deteriorate as much as it doesn't get baked under the sun for as long.

Last year the pitch was still good for batting for Pakistan's 2nd innings in Brisbane. West Indies in Dubai last year went long in their 2nd innings too.
 
Luck going England's way. Two umpires call on both lbws.
 
Ball is seaming around and England's FM bowlers looking far more threatening.
 
Only 2 overs to survive, if they do that without losing a few more they should be safe.
 
Didn't think these Ashes would be worth watching, but exciting last session of play. The Ashes are alive
 
They need to come out strong with their bowling early tomorrow or this effort will go to waste.

Don't see them even getting close to anything over 350.
 
Interesting game this. England still with an outside chance of making this a close one.
 
See what I mean [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] you talk about not having the required skills / experience but Overton top scores in England's innings! these boys lack outside a couple of players lack bottle, simple as that. England are simply too posh to play cricket and Yorkshireman especially are not designed for elite Test Cricket [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION].
 
Not sure why people are getting excited, AUS have won already. The highest total which has been chased at Adelaide is 315 and AUS already have enough to destroy these mentally weak cowards who get paid 1 million pounds per year on average to perform like absolute clowns. They should be ashamed of themselves and so should the England fans who were deluded enough to sign up for BT sports, am sure you got your money's worth.
 
shaz619 said:
Not sure why people are getting excited, AUS have won already. The highest total which has been chased at Adelaide is 315 and AUS already have enough to destroy these mentally weak cowards who get paid 1 million pounds per year on average to perform like absolute clowns. They should be ashamed of themselves and so should the England fans who were deluded enough to sign up for BT sports, am sure you got your money's worth.
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They are not the worst performers in Australia though.
 
I couldn't watch a single bowl today but had high expectations from Root to score this time. I thought a big inning is about to come. Disappointing performance from him.
 
shaz619 said:
See what I mean [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] you talk about not having the required skills / experience but Overton top scores in England's innings! these boys lack outside a couple of players lack bottle, simple as that. England are simply too posh to play cricket and Yorkshireman especially are not designed for elite Test Cricket [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION].
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They copped the worst of the batting conditions though there were a couple of soft dismissals too.

Don’t tell Uncle Boycott what you said about Yorkshire.
 
Good to see some guts and a bit of fight from Woakes and Overton with the bat, and the bowlers in the evening were excellent - better to do all of this than to go down in an altogether smoking heap of course - but realistically a bit of fight was all it was. Australia are still firm favourites to win the match.

England would have to be chasing a sub-350 total to have a chance and even then it would be a 5-10% chance at best.

There is surely too much quality in the Aussie bowling for this England side to even get 250 in a 4th innings chase let alone get near 350.
 
Big Mac said:
The only explanation is that Woakes decided he had punished the Aussies bowlers enough to make them want to run into the dressing room instead of enforcing the follow-on, so he gave his wicket away to make sure that England can bowl under the lights.

Woakes is a genius :rahat
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Proof that England need more of the great cricketing minds that Birmingham produces instead of these southern softies and northern numpties. :rahat1 :rahat1 :rahat1
 
Loved Anderson's spell under the lights today, showing once again that he stands alone among bowlers when the ball is swinging. I honestly haven't seen a better pure swing bowler than him over the last 25 years, it's almost as if he has the ball on a string and he's able to divert it at will.

On a side note, anyone know if the series is being broadcast on television in Pakistan? Heading home for the New Year's period and hoping not to sift around for a dodgy stream.
 
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