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Australia [497/8d & 186/6d] beat England [301 & 197] by 185 runs in the fourth Ashes Test

Besides helping Stokes get over the line at the end, Leach hasn't really offered much. And I struggle to see what purpose Denly serves, it's actually sad that things must be so bad that he opens the innings, goodness me :facepalm:
 
shaz619 said:
Besides helping Stokes get over the line at the end, Leach hasn't really offered much. And I struggle to see what purpose Denly serves, it's actually sad that things must be so bad that he opens the innings, goodness me :facepalm:
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poms are just no match for OZ's.
 
Only a miracle can save England, Butler doesn't know where his off stump is or how to defend and nothing else left besides the tail; a very horrific campaign this series, shocking. Need a massive revamp at the Test level.
 
tyron_woodley said:
poms are just no match for OZ's.
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Their pace resources are outstanding, they have the luxury to rotate their bowlers very easily as well. But lets be frank, England are not great but Steven Smith has been the biggest influence, I struggle to recall one player being so impactful and important to his teams fortunes in a while
 
I wonder who has the following records in an Ashes series:

Best batting average
Most runs scored

Can Smith challenge these ?
 
What happened to the Passion here on Pakpassion?

Batsmen smacks the ball to his pad, infield umpire gives it out lbw..
Then third umpires says not enough evidence to overturn decision...

The whole world could see it came off the bat and it could have gone down as the worst piece of third umpiring ever...
 
IMMY69 said:
What happened to the Passion here on Pakpassion?

Batsmen smacks the ball to his pad, infield umpire gives it out lbw..
Then third umpires says not enough evidence to overturn decision...

The whole world could see it came off the bat and it could have gone down as the worst piece of third umpiring ever...
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Who are you supporting Immy :mv

In my eyes it was a fantastic decision !
 
shaz619 said:
I wonder who has the following records in an Ashes series:

Best batting average
Most runs scored

Can Smith challenge these ?
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Spot on
Difference in the series has been Steve Smith.
Can’t think of anyone having such a great record other then Bradman.
Mind you I do recall Steve Waugh in 1989 (I think) and Slater in the 90’s being run machines in those respective ashes series
 
IMMY69 said:
Spot on
Difference in the series has been Steve Smith.
Can’t think of anyone having such a great record other then Bradman.
Mind you I do recall Steve Waugh in 1989 (I think) and Slater in the 90’s being run machines in those respective ashes series
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Cook as well buddy, that was a monster series for him in Australia and he came close to. Regardless though this has to be up there if not the greatest performance in a Test series ever
 
It is unlikely England get over the line here, with that in mind Butler can sod off; all that talk of him being the next ABDV :facepalm:
 
England can still do it. They have one session to survive with four wickets in hand.
 
AUS 497/8 decl, 186/6 decl
ENG 301, 170/6 (73.0) CRR: 2.33
Day 5: 3rd Session - England need 213 runs
 
AUS 497/8 decl, 186/6 decl
ENG 301, 173/8 (75.5) CRR: 2.28
Day 5: 3rd Session - England need 210 runs
 
One day batsmen against this Aussie attack were never going to do well.

Archer gone.

Should be over in 30 mins.
 
Aussies will get enough chances to take the last two wickets.

England will need Aus to make mistakes or the umpires to make mistakes along with batting like Boycott and Dravid.
 
Too much short stuff, the batsman will be expecting it. They made the same mistake at Leeds.
 
how are you guys able to watch all this, just following the cricinfo commentary is giving me heart attacks.

Full credit to Overton who has played under this pressure
 
DRS ruins the win a little but Aus outplayed to retain Ashes.

England didnt deserve it.
 
But but Australia are ovverated. Cummins is ovverated. Australia look flat. Without Smith, Australia can’t even beat Pakistan. Australia bowling is ovverated.

All famous quotes from Mamoon. Now look who has the urn. Don’t want to hear your rubbish excuses of Australia only winning because England are poor. Australia won because they are better prepared and a better team than England.

Only one team is ovverated.


Never ever disrespect the greatest cricketing nation. :shh :shh :shh
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
 
another great game..

Aussies started ahead and kept their foot on the peddle.
Steve Smith continues to be the difference between the two sides
 
England's shambolic batting lineup deserved nothing less.

Time to bin Roy, Denly, Root as captain and Buttler.
 
Well played Aus. Absorbing test match. Great effort from the English tail but overall they've been outclassed.
 
Australia were better prepared by having a lot of players play county cricket, selected the right bowlers for conditions, and their batting line up gave just about enough support for Smith.

Fully deserved. Delighted they did it.


Not interested in the rubbish excuses [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] will give. Australia are a better team than England.
 
England deserve this humiliation for dropping Moeen :yk
 
Markhor said:
England's shambolic batting lineup deserved nothing less.

Time to bin Roy, Denly, Root as captain and Buttler.
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Bairstow needs to go. Lots of upheaval with the test side. How long does Broad keep going for? You'd expect Anderson to hang up his boots. Big transition period.
 
Hasan123 said:
But but Australia are ovverated. Cummins is ovverated. Australia look flat. Without Smith, Australia can’t even beat Pakistan. Australia bowling is ovverated.

All famous quotes from Mamoon. Now look who has the urn. Don’t want to hear your rubbish excuses of Australia only winning because England are poor. Australia won because they are better prepared and a better team than England.

Only one team is ovverated.


Never ever disrespect the greatest cricketing nation. :shh :shh :shh
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
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No disrespect but I was watching Cummins he is good against top order but failed against lower order,he just bowl short balls,i watched his debut against southafrica and he was pitching it up and also had a yorker,now he just bowls short,not a versatile bowler.
 
andy0204 said:
No disrespect but I was watching Cummins he is good against top order but failed against lower order,he just bowl short balls,i watched his debut against southafrica and he was pitching it up and also had a yorker,now he just bowls short,not a versatile bowler.
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So he isn’t good because he bowled short balls to the tail? He’s not versatile?

Poor analysis.
 
Congratulations to Australia.

Two teams with mediocre batting and good bowling, but Australia’s bowling is better and they have Steve Smith.

I wonder how India fans now view their Test series victory in Australia last southern summer? Does it feel hollow now that Steve Smith has made such a comeback? Same applies of course to Pakistan’s UAE victory last year.
 
Junaids said:
Congratulations to Australia.

Two teams with mediocre batting and good bowling, but Australia’s bowling is better and they have Steve Smith.

I wonder how India fans now view their Test series victory in Australia last southern summer? Does it feel hollow now that Steve Smith has made such a comeback? Same applies of course to Pakistan’s UAE victory last year.
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I thought you can’t win in England if you don’t have a all rounder and batting to number 10?


Don’t worry about how Indians feel, your theory is absolute garbage lol.
 
Australian attack is relentless, it's been a Hugh difference, their speeds are maintened, where England bar broad and archer have been average
 
Hasan123 said:
I thought you can’t win in England if you don’t have a all rounder and batting to number 10?


Don’t worry about how Indians feel, your theory is absolute garbage lol.
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I’ve said all along that these are two mediocre teams, inferior to New Zealand and South Africa and probably also India.

I actually think that Mitch Marsh would have been a better choice than Matthew Wade, as you write.

As for the batting, they meet my specifications. Only Hazlewood and Lyon are tailenders, at numbers 8 and 9 they have two of Cummins, Pattinson and Starc who are capable of regular fifty partnerships.

That’s PRECISELY what I think every team should have.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
England don't need an overhaul. They need to replace their coach with a batting specialist.
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England do need an overhaul of the County Championship and selection policies. They've been a mediocre Test team for four years and that's mainly due to terrible batting. Every innings they are 30-3. They're like Pakistan in the 2000s where the top order is hopeless against the new ball and middle/lower order has to keep bailing them out.

There are hardly any young, technically sound batting talent in County Cricket, people next in line like Sibley and Crawley average in the 30s. ECB are to blame by pushing the County Championship to the margins of the season (April and September) when batting conditions are a lottery. We need more FC cricket in July/August when pitches are flatter and youngsters gain experience of batting for long periods.

However ECB aren't listening, infact white ball formats will take even more precedence with this idiotic Hundred competition nobody wants.

Ed Smith also should be under the scanner for continually selecting white ball specialists like Buttler and Roy in Test cricket where their techniques have been exposed. I called Roy's failure two months ago. What were they expecting from someone who pushes at the ball with hard hands ? Ollie Pope should be given a run.
 
Junaids said:
I’ve said all along that these are two mediocre teams, inferior to New Zealand and South Africa and probably also India.

I actually think that Mitch Marsh would have been a better choice than Matthew Wade, as you write.

As for the batting, they meet my specifications. Only Hazlewood and Lyon are tailenders, at numbers 8 and 9 they have two of Cummins, Pattinson and Starc who are capable of regular fifty partnerships.

That’s PRECISELY what I think every team should have.
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Matthew wade had an stellar domestic performance in Australia and in county cricket.I was following those matches and he looked a class batsman .He is way better than mitch marsh as marsh has been given too much opportunities but he isnt an specialist batsman that Australia requires in tests.Aussie management did the right thing to select wade as he fully deserved to be in that playing 11 because of his current form.
 
Love to see England lose especially after they fluked the World Cup.

Well deserved for a poor character cricketing nation.
 
Markhor said:
England do need an overhaul of the County Championship and selection policies. They've been a mediocre Test team for four years and that's mainly due to terrible batting. Every innings they are 30-3. They're like Pakistan in the 2000s where the top order is hopeless against the new ball and middle/lower order has to keep bailing them out.

There are hardly any young, technically sound batting talent in County Cricket, people next in line like Sibley and Crawley average in the 30s. ECB are to blame by pushing the County Championship to the margins of the season (April and September) when batting conditions are a lottery. We need more FC cricket in July/August when pitches are flatter and youngsters gain experience of batting for long periods.

However ECB aren't listening, infact white ball formats will take even more precedence with this idiotic Hundred competition nobody wants.

Ed Smith also should be under the scanner for continually selecting white ball specialists like Buttler and Roy in Test cricket where their techniques have been exposed. I called Roy's failure two months ago. What were they expecting from someone who pushes at the ball with hard hands ? Ollie Pope should be given a run.
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I was talking about the test team in particular. If what you're saying is the case then that's more reason not to overhaul the test team because the replacements aren't going to be any different. England's team would transform in a year or two if they could find a specialist like Langer but coaches like him are very rare.
 
England basically lost to Smith. Smith demoralized entire English team, he completely destroyed their self belief that they could win this. It was like a mortal fighting a demigod. Total destruction.
 
Smith and Cummins pretty much carried them to the Ashes. Incredible work from the two Australians.
 
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I made a 4-1 prediction for England thinking they would carry their WC momentum but they just proved that they lack any sense in Test cricket.

Australia proving once again, that you can never write them off.

Hope [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] accepts his humble pie.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
England basically lost to Smith. Smith demoralized entire English team, he completely destroyed their self belief that they could win this. It was like a mortal fighting a demigod. Total destruction.
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Meh, Australia still would have won last test without Smith, Stokes played a freak innings and England chased 359. Should have been 3-0 by now.
 
Junaids said:
Congratulations to Australia.

Two teams with mediocre batting and good bowling, but Australia’s bowling is better and they have Steve Smith.

I wonder how India fans now view their Test series victory in Australia last southern summer? Does it feel hollow now that Steve Smith has made such a comeback? Same applies of course to Pakistan’s UAE victory last year.
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I think Bumrah will have the wood on Smith, Archer troubled him with some steep bounce, Bumrah's unorthodox action would trouble Smith more
 
England have to pick test players and bat them in their correct positions.

Vince should open
Bairstow shoul bat at four
Foakes to keep

and don’t drop Woakes in England
 
Australia took full advantage of being in England for a good 3-4 months, the acclimatization paid off.

For England, the ashes came too soon after the ODI WC victory. As a team they didn't really look up for it but the schedule was decided before hand so no excuses
 
Now, the series will be 3-1 Australia.

England would least care now that the urn is gone.
 
IMMY69 said:
England have to pick test players and bat them in their correct positions.

Vince should open
Bairstow shoul bat at four
Foakes to keep

and don’t drop Woakes in England
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Vince is the English Umar Akmal by impressing with a few beautiful cover drives, getting to 20 or 30, before nicking off. Foakes definitely should be playing over Buttler though.

England need a Boycott type opener to be able to blunt the new ball and go big. Maybe Sibley is the answer as he has a good comversion rate but England have such shallow batting reserves because ECB have destroyed the County Championship.

There's excessive emphasis on white ball cricket now and that goes for the grassroots. There's not enough emphasis on developing sound defensive techniques. Without addressing these things, this endless cycle of batting failures will continue.
 
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Junaids said:
Congratulations to Australia.

Two teams with mediocre batting and good bowling, but Australia’s bowling is better and they have Steve Smith.

I wonder how India fans now view their Test series victory in Australia last southern summer? Does it feel hollow now that Steve Smith has made such a comeback? Same applies of course to Pakistan’s UAE victory last year.
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india have never lost a match under kohli when they have won the toss. so result would still stand. Australia was never winning thay 4th test either.

At worst it would be a draw overall. Steven smith dint face India's bowling attack which is as good as the current version of Australia.
 
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