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Australia tour of West Indies (2025)

Ice Man said:
We really should be doing everything we can to fast track the likes of Vidler, Anderson, Beardman and Straker as fast as possible through the system.

We seem to have a very decent line of bowlers coming up as our next generation, not so much on the batting side. Ollie Peake is basically rated as our top upcoming batting talent.
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I have witnessed entire cricket games being played at University of Sydney. I frequently visit to watch some games.

It makes no sense that the talent is drying up. These uni kids who are playing casually are leagues > other countries that play school/uni cricket.

I applied for the Sydney cricket society and their training regime ended me so I quot before the games could even be played.

Far cry from Pakistani uni's that let any tom dick and Harry play and that too on lawns with tennis balls. Not sure about UK though. Was only their for 3 years and I never observed that culture.

Anyway Sydney's training regime and cricketing structure is strong enough to have players outright dominate club cricketers and compete in low tier domestic leagues.

And this is Uni cricket. I havent actually touched upon FC cricket which is leagues > that? It makes zero sense Aus isnt able to find openers and talented players?

I dont get it?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Yes, but I'm not sure it'll make much difference. Their batting simply does not have the quality , regardless of the approach.
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Like I said, just not enough quality in West Indies domestic.


Their batting is weaker than Karnataka Ranji team batting lineup, and by a margin.

Frickin 39 year old Jason Muhammad was topping domestic charts this year
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Like I said, just not enough quality in West Indies domestic.


Their batting is weaker than Karnataka Ranji team batting lineup, and by a margin.

Frickin 39 year old Jason Muhammad was topping domestic charts this year
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If only they had someone like me playing in their team :vk2
 
Hyder said:
He is a replacement of carey at best. Not no 4 worthy.
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Never stated he was no 4 material. He batted at 5 vs Sri lanka.

Issue is Australia doesnt want Head to open. It's silly to give your most aggressive batsmen and X factor the hardest position to bat in test cricket.

Due to batting decline, Head has to frequently come in difficult situations, otherwise his goal was to simply bash like no tmr once Smith, Warner, Khawaja and Labu had done the work.

Since Head can quickly turn a 300 for 3 into a rapid fire 450 for 5 and allow Aus to declare.

However in recent times he's been forced to play in situations he is not tailor made for.

Head had always performed with one solid batter at the crease. In wc 2023 it was labu. In BGT it was Steve Smith.

He loves bashing and isnt comfortable with the idea of rebuilding which in recent times he's being put under such situations.
 
mominsaigol said:
As an all format batsmen, Head is > everyone single indian player minus Kohli who is > him.

Rohit is far worse then Head in test. He is better then head in odi and t20 however impact wise Head has remained > him in odi. At the end of rohit's career due to a massive decline, the gap isnt all that high anymore.

Every other indian player has been an absolute tragedy in 2 formats bare minimum.

Head is easily > Dhawan, Raina, Yuvi(all formats, yuvi is better in certain formats though), Dhoni (much better then Dhoni in t20 and test) etc etc.

Utterly delusional to think someone like sai will have a better career then Head 🤣.

All format players need a different criteria from test specialists. Very ironic how agenda posters apply such metrics to Laxman and Pant but not to Head.

Name one all format batter in history who was equally good in all formats?

If Head avg 40 in both test and odi, is a solid htb in test, has impact knocks in odi especially in icc events and a freak strike rate in t20, then he is up their as a goat.

Warner, Ab, Kohli, Kp and Gayle are the only all format players > him.

Shame on agends Indian fans. No wonder they all ran away like chicken. And irony of the century they mocked me for being biased despite being indian :vk2 .


Brutal honestly truth is that despite a 1.4B mafia, and all formats existing for 18+ years now, you lot still cant find anyone minus Kohli that is > this so called technique less Head as an all format player.
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Rohit is one of the best ever odi openers ever. Recent form is making people delusional about him.
Head is playing in an era where bilateral cricket has gone very low while in rohits era bilaterals where integral part of cricket.
Head has played great innings in finals but so has samuels. Rohit was a dud test player yet he managed to score in home conditions.

But rohit is the best odi opener of recent times. He is second to kohli in odis.
 
THREAD IS NOT ABOUT INDIA AND PAKISTAN

PLEASE KEEP YOUR POSTS RELEVANT TO AUSTRALIA VS WEST INDIES ONLY...
 
Hyder said:
Rohit is one of the best ever odi openers ever. Recent form is making people delusional about him.
Head is playing in an era where bilateral cricket has gone very low while in rohits era bilaterals where integral part of cricket.
Head has played great innings in finals but so has samuels. Rohit was a dud test player yet he managed to score in home conditions.

But rohit is the best odi opener of recent times. He is second to kohli in odis.
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2nd to Kohli in odi's all time? Hell no. Or do you mean 2nd as a player while they were playing?

Now about Head, all format players are those that are consistent in all formats, when you evaluate an all format player, you evaluate their performance collectively rather then applying filters such as Head vs Joe root(test only)

I love AB and Rohit but ab was god awful in international t20 with Rohit being god awful in test cricket. Infact rohit's test avg is a massive scam. In reality hes a 32-33 avg test batter.

Head is top 5-7 best all format players of all time. All format in this case being cricketers who have played all 3 formats for the past 18 years, going onto 19 since the inception of t20 cricket.

An odi player with a 44 avg and 104 SR with 3 memorable odi atg centuries out of 6(England, Nz and India), followed by a 42 avg test batter who has an abnormaly high strike rate for test cricket (Granted yes he is a htb), with very memorable knocks all 3 against india BGT and Wtc lol, + a t20 cricketer with a 33 avg and 160+ Sr which is phenomenal as a t20 opener

Is easily top 5-7 all format players of all time. Comparing Head vs Pant in tests makes no sense, why would you then ignore Pant vs Head in odi and t20?

When you evaluate Head solely in test, odi and t20 individually he is nothing special, in the same way KP isnt anything special if you evaluate him based of one format onpy and apply one format filters.

KP is good but cricket has produced far better odi and test batters then him.

But when you evaluate these players collectively in all formats they are top tier and the best in the business.

Its just Head has generated insane amounts of hate due to wtc 2023 and wc 2023. Indians are obviously hiding it and pretending to be Neutral data analysts hence arguments like rohit captaincy or pure luck, or putch conditons or Sidu 🤣🤣 etc etc pop up.

While it is fair, we all know such arguments would vanish into the abyss if Head was an indian player juat like Bumrah's counter arguments vanish into the abyss when anyone brings up Hadlee, Mcgrath, Marshall etc etc.
 
West Indies have an opportunity to beat Australia at home for the first time since 1991.

Australia are ripe for picking with loss in WTC final & Smith missing in mediocre top 6.

West Indies should play tough aggressive cricket, take something out of South Africa's book to beat Australia. They have the bowlers, the batsman should do their job. We need strong test teams apart from England-India-Australia-South Africa-New Zealand to preserve test cricket for future generations.
 
harshjoshi87 said:
West Indies have an opportunity to beat Australia at home for the first time since 1991.

Australia are ripe for picking with loss in WTC final & Smith missing in mediocre top 6.

West Indies should play tough aggressive cricket, take something out of South Africa's book to beat Australia. They have the bowlers, the batsman should do their job. We need strong test teams apart from England-India-Australia-South Africa-New Zealand to preserve test cricket for future generations.
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They will be bundled all out at 100-110.

Wi will lose. After which Australia will set a score of 200(lead included)

This match will end in 3 days.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Like I said, just not enough quality in West Indies domestic.


Their batting is weaker than Karnataka Ranji team batting lineup, and by a margin.

Frickin 39 year old Jason Muhammad was topping domestic charts this year
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But they still managed to draw series in Australia & Pakistan.

Giving importance to franchise cricket has destroyed the West Indies first class system.

CWI should let WI players play only in 3 franchise cricket tournaments per year.
 
harshjoshi87 said:
But they still managed to draw series in Australia & Pakistan.

Giving importance to franchise cricket has destroyed the West Indies first class system.

CWI should let WI players play only in 3 franchise cricket tournaments per year.
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I do not know about AU, tbh I have a hazy memory of that series.

But drawing in Pakistan was entirely based of luck. Those were doctored pitches. Whoever won the toss and got to bat first would win.
 
mominsaigol said:
I have witnessed entire cricket games being played at University of Sydney. I frequently visit to watch some games.

It makes no sense that the talent is drying up. These uni kids who are playing casually are leagues > other countries that play school/uni cricket.

I applied for the Sydney cricket society and their training regime ended me so I quot before the games could even be played.

Far cry from Pakistani uni's that let any tom dick and Harry play and that too on lawns with tennis balls. Not sure about UK though. Was only their for 3 years and I never observed that culture.

Anyway Sydney's training regime and cricketing structure is strong enough to have players outright dominate club cricketers and compete in low tier domestic leagues.

And this is Uni cricket. I havent actually touched upon FC cricket which is leagues > that? It makes zero sense Aus isnt able to find openers and talented players?

I dont get it?
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I agree, mate, but the rebuild will take some time.

There's some decent to very good batting talent coming through in Aidan O'Connor, Weibgen, Raf Macmillan, Louis Smith and Budge along with the names already mentioned previously but I think our upcoming bowling talent surpasses the batting talent in depth atm.

Doesn't help that some very talented cricket youth choose to play AFL as their career of choice which reduces the talent pool further.
 
harshjoshi87 said:
But they still managed to draw series in Australia & Pakistan.

Giving importance to franchise cricket has destroyed the West Indies first class system.

CWI should let WI players play only in 3 franchise cricket tournaments per year.
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Myth. What trees were they uprooting in Test cricket from 1998-2008 when there were no T20 franchises ?
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Bro why wi dont have batsmen like of lara coming in their system wi always always had a flair in their batting what is stopping them now their test batsmen averages in 20s
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No incentives to play long format cricket. Their best athletes either pick other sports which have US university scholarships or, if they pick cricket at all, only have incentives to play T20 cricket.

The FC/Test match grind is done by guys who can neither hack it in other sports nor do they have T20 batting/bowling skills.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
No incentives to play long format cricket. Their best athletes either pick other sports which have US university scholarships or, if they pick cricket at all, only have incentives to play T20 cricket.

The FC/Test match grind is done by guys who can neither hack it in other sports nor do they have T20 batting/bowling skills.
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So true thats the main reason great points by a great poster thanks for this information bro
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Myth. What trees were they uprooting in Test cricket from 1998-2008 when there were no T20 franchises ?
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Atleast they were competing in test cricket.


Won an ICC Champions Trophy in 2004. Were finalists on 2006 edition of CT too.

I think WI won home test series against every opponent except South Africa & Australia.
 
harshjoshi87 said:
Atleast they were competing in test cricket.


Won an ICC Champions Trophy in 2004. Were finalists on 2006 edition of CT too.

I think WI won home test series against every opponent except South Africa & Australia.
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We were talking about Test cricket. They won only 2 Tests away from home against Top 8 sides between 1998 and 2016.

They have actually won more since then.

Even at home, they lost to NZ in 2002, England in '04, India in '06 , along with multiple losses to SA and OZ
 
Nikhil_cric said:
We were talking about Test cricket. They won only 2 Tests away from home against Top 8 sides between 1998 and 2016.

They have actually won more since then.

Even at home, they lost to NZ in 2002, England in '04, India in '06 , along with multiple losses to SA and OZ
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I watched a lot of their team during those days.

@shaz619 @ElRaja @Markhor may remember the dangers of watching Caribbean cricket in a Pakistani household on sky back in those days. The crowd was....quite bouncy.

The on field action was sadly quite flat. Corey Colleymire, Merv Dillon , the era of long long spells from Suleiman Benn.

WIndies bowling is a lot stronger than that era. It's quite exciting to watch their pace attack in helpful conditions.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Is third umpire a racist?
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I've noticed that in BGT as well, umpires are generally very favorable to Australians.

They dont even give extremely obvious outs as outs forcing players to review and at times the 3rd umpire just ignores it.

It doesnt happen vs Any other team. Hasn't happened in any England test seores vs NZ or India. Didn't happen when NZ toured india.

Its just Australia for some reason.
 
Ik pitch is difficult but AU should be ashamed of themselves.

They are extremely lucky that WI has the worlds worst batting lineup and upcoming crop of talent in domestics atm excluding Zimbabwe and obvious crapola cricketing nations.

Ironically bang and Sri Lanka have better batting talents lined up with wi only competing due producing solid bowlers while bang and Sri Lanka are garbo when it comes to producing bowlers.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I watched a lot of their team during those days.

@shaz619 @ElRaja @Markhor may remember the dangers of watching Caribbean cricket in a Pakistani household on sky back in those days. The crowd was....quite bouncy.

The on field action was sadly quite flat. Corey Colleymire, Merv Dillon , the era of long long spells from Suleiman Benn.

WIndies bowling is a lot stronger than that era. It's quite exciting to watch their pace attack in helpful conditions.
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Caribbean "crowds" just move different, its an uplifting site to behold, brings a true rise out of the aficionado.
 
This pitch is still a 250 wicket. Wi batting is poor and aus batted poorly.

A side like nz or england would have performed better vs wi
 
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