Australia v England | 3rd Ashes Test | Perth | Day 2 | 14/12/2013

[Haroon786]

Yeah, but I think he had a better chance, got a good start. And something tells me he'ss be under some pressure there, looking at the state ENG's in.

Well, he's a great batsman andwill evantually get out of this rut.

 

[James]

I miss Collingwood. He'd grind out a thoroughly repulsive 80 on this wicket and keep us in the game.

 

[James]

I always fall off my chair when Sky do the 'wickets from earlier' section without warnings or captions. Think we've just lost another pole until Botham says 'first one to go today was...'

 

[style_guru]

Harris should be brought back. The ball is reversing, and last few overs left in the day.

 

[Random Aussie]

KP made mincemeat of Psycho Sid at Adelaide 3 years ago. Not sure why he has developed this comprehensive inability to play him since.

Siddle is a much tighter and smarter bowler these days. He was rubbish in that series, hattrick spell aside.

 

[Haroon786]

I miss Collingwood. He'd grind out a thoroughly repulsive 80 on this wicket and keep us in the game.

Why was he dislodged in 2011?

I know he had a poor Ashes series.

 

[James]

Yeah, but I think he had a better chance, got a good start. And something tells me he'ss be under some pressure there, looking at the state ENG's in.

It was still a good innings, but he needed a daddy hundred and it was a poor dismissal.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

First KP now Bell. No intent to score at all. 1 off 26.

 

[James]

Why was he dislodged in 2011?

I know he had a poor Ashes series.

He allegedly retired from international cricket, but rumour has it that he was gently managed out.

Regrettable IMO, still had something to offer.

 

[style_guru]

First KP now Bell. No intent to score at all. 1 off 26.

Playing into the hands of opposition.

 

[James]

The slow scoring from the middle bods is even more annoying when Carberry set such a good example at the top of the order. He displayed that you can play fluently on this wicket and score boundaries. He was unlucky to get out like that.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The slow scoring from the middle bods is even more annoying when Carberry set such a good example at the top of the order. He displayed that you can play fluently on this wicket and score boundaries. He was unlucky to get out like that.

Forget Carberry. Even Aus tailenders were batting quite fluently and quickly this morning.

 

[style_guru]

This track and ground offers proper value for your shots. It's unfortunate that the English batsmen seems to have gone into their shell.

I am sure Clarke would be smiling when he sees that even after almost full day's batting by England, his team is still about 200 ahead.

 

[James]

Forget Carberry. Even Aus tailenders were batting quite fluently and quickly this morning.

Tailenders are a bit different though. Their wickets aren't as important, so if they wave the bat and get out it doesn't really matter. A specialist batsman meanwhile is required to put a price on his wicket. You should make a more valid comparison between the actual batsmen that are playing.

 

[Haroon786]

He allegedly retired from international cricket, but rumour has it that he was gently managed out.

Regrettable IMO, still had something to offer.

I'm sure he retired after he had been 'managed' out.

 

[OZGOD]

England under the pump now

 

[Ims1]

One more wicket today & draw goes out of window .

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Tailenders are a bit different though. Their wickets aren't as important, so if they wave the bat and get out it doesn't really matter. A specialist batsman meanwhile is required to put a price on his wicket. You should make a more valid comparison between the actual batsmen that are playing.

They were playing proper shots I thought. There seems to be a lack of positive intent on England's part here. You may get the odd unplayable jaffa and get out. So you have to keep the scoreboard ticking. Can't afford to play yourself into a shell.

 

[khalil1986]

Umpires are absolutely useless, why can't they bother to look at the frontline?

Takes the whole drama out of the game when bowler takes a wicket and than umpires want to check front foot when they could have easily just called it in live play.

Surely some sort of hawk eye technology such as the one they use in tennis can be used if the umpires can't be bothered to look at front line.

 

[khalil1986]

I'm sure he retired after he had been 'managed' out.

Much like Michael Hussey IMO who was arguably their best bat at the time.

 

[James]

They were playing proper shots I thought. There seems to be a lack of positive intent on England's part here. You may get the odd unplayable jaffa and get out. So you have to keep the scoreboard ticking. Can't afford to play yourself into a shell.

Don't get me wrong. You're essentially right. This is rubbish.

 

[Ims1]

last 10 overs : 14/1 .
on this wicket & outfield,this is so wrong .

 

[OZGOD]

England looking to survive till stumps without losing another wicket.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

nice.

 

[style_guru]

Harris is such a good bowler. I wonder what he would've achieved had his knees not been as fragile as glass.

 

[khalil1986]

Bell is gonna get himself out if he keeps playing like this, thing is he is in good nick too so just doesn't make sense to play like this.

 

[style_guru]

15 runs in last 10 overs on such a wicket is absolute criminal.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Steve Smith should be given a go.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Don't get me wrong. You're essentially right. This is rubbish.

It's surprising that Bell is playing like this since he was the in-form batsman for England.

 

[OZGOD]

England have surrendered the initiative. They are behind in this match and need to score runs. Unless they are planning a big push tomorrow when the wicket will get even drier looking to block till stumps isn't really a winning formula.

 

[OZGOD]

That said the OZ are bowling a very disciplined line and length.

 

[Ims1]

i fear a draw if another does not fall today .

 

[style_guru]

No matter what, this match aint going the draw way. The pitch shall crumble on 4th and 5th day, making life difficult for batsmen.

 

[Nuekboi]

Come on OZs one more wicket before day's close!

 

[Random Aussie]

A bit of intent there from Stokes

 

[Ims1]

come on MJ ....get 1 at least .

 

[soso_killer]

Australia on top here. A beast of an outfit at home. Maak klaar met die Poms and kom Suid Afrika toe. Ek kan nie wag nie

 

[style_guru]

Still clocking 145?

 

[Random Aussie]

Carberry aside, England came out this morning intent on blocking until stumps. Borrrrrrriiiiiiiiinnnnnnggggggggggg.

 

[HASHAM2]

Johnson is Looking so dangerous in his Last over

 

[style_guru]

148 after being on the field for entire day? Woah

 

[Ims1]

180 for 4 . Pitch : result oriented in your opinion ?

 

[Gunther]

England need to pull level with Aus in the first innings and then hope inexperience of winning big games causes panic among Australia batsmen in the second innings.

 

[Ims1]

Vaughan : "If England can get to 330, they will be closer than they have been in either of the first two Tests and still in with a chance. They really don't want to be chasing too many on this pitch with those cracks opening up."

 

[Nikhil_cric]

So England survive. Boring cricket but that might be part of a grand strategy after all.

 

[Batman]

Good day of Test cricket, Australia made a good first innings score and England still behind to get close to that total.

Should be intresting day tomorrow.

 

[James]

Well we are still in it. Which is more than could be said after 2 days in Brisbane and Adelaide.

 

[OZGOD]

Big day for England tomorrow. They need runs and lots of them and fast.

 

[Convict]

I feel people are being a bit harsh on England here.
The reason the batted so slowly was because Australia- Harris especially - was bowling great.

The way Harris was bowling he could have easily picked up 2-3 and Johnson could have easily picked up a couple.

England are decently set and whilst still slightly behind are in this game.
Australia will hope to be batting by the middle of the second session tomorrow at the latest.

Sids signed a man's ape suit which was pretty funny.

 

[Convict]

The slow scoring from the middle bods is even more annoying when Carberry set such a good example at the top of the order. He displayed that you can play fluently on this wicket and score boundaries. He was unlucky to get out like that.

It was interesting listening to the radio. Terry Alderman said the over before that Harris should bowl around the wicket and he'd pick up Carberry.

Watching it at the ground I thought Carberry's score reflected how he played. Could have easily gotten out earlier.

 

[OZGOD]

I feel people are being a bit harsh on England here.
The reason the batted so slowly was because Australia- Harris especially - was bowling great.

The way Harris was bowling he could have easily picked up 2-3 and Johnson could have easily picked up a couple.

England are decently set and whilst still slightly behind are in this game.
Australia will hope to be batting by the middle of the second session tomorrow at the latest.

Sids signed a man's ape suit which was pretty funny.

You should post us some pics mate!

 

[Convict]

You should post us some pics mate!

The security guard near my area wouldn't have any of that unfortunately.

 

[Ims1]

The security guard near my area wouldn't have any of that unfortunately.

your take on the pitch & is draw in contention ?

 

[Convict]

your take on the pitch & is draw in contention ?

No chance of a draw.

 

[90MPH]

A draw never hardly happens in Perth.

 

[OZGOD]

Sid Vicious scenting blood

 

[OZGOD]

your take on the pitch & is draw in contention ?

I reckon this will be done by Day 4.

 

[battler]

If the cracks open up here,and the bounce becomes uneven,it could spell doom for the batsmen(on both sides).
Imo,england need to go for broke in the morning session tomorrow,get about 100 on the board with the loss of one maybe at the most 2 wickets and then take it from there.
Tomorrow's morning session may well decide the fate of this game.

 

[Ims1]

convict & ozgod - any reason for draw not being in contention at all ?

i know the temp are 42+ & this is likely to deteriorate the surface by day 4 or 5 but the cracks i saw are in middle of pitch & not in the business area & that is what made me doubt a result .

 

[Ims1]

A draw never hardly happens in Perth.

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[Convict]

convict & ozgod - any reason for draw not being in contention at all ?

i know the temp are 42+ & this is likely to deteriorate the surface by day 4 or 5 but the cracks i saw are in middle of pitch & not in the business area & that is what made me doubt a result .

To me I'm anticipating that one team will crack.

It's also a very good bowling wicket. England batted quite well to only be four wickets down.

 

[Ims1]

Which team in your opinion is more likely to crack ?

 

[battler]

Which team in your opinion is more likely to crack ?

England as they are batting last on a deteriorating wicket,plus the pressure of chasing is never really easy,add to that australia has got a top notch bowling attack.

 

[Ims1]

If England manage to get to around 325-350 by tea on day 3 ,i suspect Clarke would try to bat for next 4 sessions to ensure no comeback for visitors leaving just 90 overs on day 5 to force a result . That is why i fear draw may not be completely ruled out & the only way it goes out of contention is if Aus fold for 200 or less batting next .

 

[battler]

Australia very much do have the capability to bowl england out in 1 day,infact it would suprise me if they din't on a 5th day waca pitch.

 

[Convict]

If England manage to get to around 325-350 by tea on day 3 ,i suspect Clarke would try to bat for next 4 sessions to ensure no comeback for visitors leaving just 90 overs on day 5 to force a result . That is why i fear draw may not be completely ruled out & the only way it goes out of contention is if Aus fold for 200 or less batting next .

I'd be amazed if England managed 325-350 runs or managed to make tea.

 

[Convict]

Which team in your opinion is more likely to crack ?

England. 384 runs doesn't get any smaller and they'll have to chase

 

[majiz]

I think England will be all out for 250-300

 

[Ims1]

England's 1st innings score : odds for both under & over 333 are 10/11 . I wonder why posters are so bearish on their innings total ?

match odds are :
Aus 1.63
Draw 3.60
Eng 4.70

 

[90MPH]

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It was a typo but a silly question on your part - a draw in Perth, duh

 

[OZGOD]

convict & ozgod - any reason for draw not being in contention at all ?

i know the temp are 42+ & this is likely to deteriorate the surface by day 4 or 5 but the cracks i saw are in middle of pitch & not in the business area & that is what made me doubt a result .

History. The WACA wicket (aside from those 3 years where it was flat) has always provided a result. The pitch will deteriorate but it's not just about the wicket. Neither of these teams have the batting to force a draw in any case.

 

[trogger]

I get the feeling there is going to be a sub 200 score by somebody in this game, hope it's england although we have had our issues in batting in the third innings of a test in recent years, even that infamous 47 game it's been forgotten we had a massive lead going into that innings.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

England's team has the look of a odi team about it
No anchor, too many all rounders and batting all the way to 9

England need to drag graham thorpe out of retirement

 

[Ims1]

It was a typo but a silly question on your part - a draw in Perth, duh

A weak NZL team drew against the mighty Aus team which had some greats in it . silly presumption on your part ,duh :

 

[James]

I predicted 220 all out but that was a bit rash.

260 probably, followed by the loss of the Ashes.

 

[Sherlock]

I think Bell and company will get their batting sorted and post close to 350 or so. Even if they can 300 it's still something they can work with. Prior's batting will be huge.

 

[90MPH]

A weak NZL team drew against the mighty Aus team which had some greats in it . silly presumption on your part ,duh :

I said asking if it will be a draw in Perth was a stupid question - you have poor knowledge of the game. But like a typical troll you want to divert to something else.

Anyway why did you run away in the Indian bowlers: Shocking Stat thread ??

 

[Robert]

I predicted 220 all out but that was a bit rash.

260 probably, followed by the loss of the Ashes.

I reckon they can achieve parity with the Aussies. It just needs one good partnership. Johnno is out of sorts. Brezzylad will provide a bit of strength in the lower order.

Big, big opportunity for Stokes tomorrow.

 

[Ims1]

I said asking if it will be a draw in Perth was a stupid question - you have poor knowledge of the game. But like a typical troll you want to divert to something else.

Anyway why did you run away in the Indian bowlers: Shocking Stat thread ??

which thread are you talking about like a typical troll with zilch understanding of game & its history ?

 

[Ims1]

I reckon they can achieve parity with the Aussies. It just needs one good partnership. Johnno is out of sorts. Brezzylad will provide a bit of strength in the lower order.

Big, big opportunity for Stokes tomorrow.

i too think 300+ is definitely on . You have more than useful tail & this wicket has no demons till now . Bookmakers think 330 is on & that would be overhauled is my gut feeling. If Aus do not collapse in 3rd innings, all Eng has to do is bat out 90 overs on day 5 on a cracked pitch which will be difficult but not impossible .