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Australia vs England @ Perth: 3rd Test, Day 2

OZGOD said:
It wasn't KP though - he can score 50 off 20 if he decides to cowlash before he gets out. But I think we're just about into the tail now, after GoJo it's all bowlers.
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Saj can bat a bit.
 
33.4 Symonds to Flintoff, OUT, gone this time and the Symonds trap has paid off. Flintoff squared up to that one, prodded at it and sends a thick edge to Warne at first slip who takes a good catch. Lee had been softening him up at the other end and Symonds cleans up, with Flintoff's scalp as his first Ashes wicket, not a bad one
A Flintoff c Warne b Symonds 13 (31b 2x4 0x6) SR: 41.93

yea....that's what i was talking about...now all he needs to do is find some reverse swing!
 
PlanetPakistan said:
Talking junk about Lee again...seems like you want to keep your avatar!
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The problem with Lee though PP, is that he's so inconsistent. I have no issue with him being a runs truck if he takes wickets (though you look at express bowlers in the past they've had low economy rates as well as good averages). The problem is he doesn't take wickets and he doesn't keep the pressure on (barring the odd instance in Adelaide with the old ball). Most importantly for me, he doesn't seem to be able to consistently out-think a batsman - to bowl to a plan (like he did with Freddie). Either his execution of the plan is lacking, or his temperament gets the better of him and he abandons it.

I guess if you bowl that fast you will knock over most mediocre batsmen because they won't even be able to see the delivery, but quality batsmen will be a lot harder to dismiss.

Too often Lee acts as a release to pressure, rather than pressure in itself. If you think about it, he's got some great bowlers at the other end to create pressure of their own (eg McGrath, Warne, Clark, etc). It's not like he's trying to do it all by himself.

I have no issue with his work ethic, but he's going to have to be more intelligent, and get some more variation, if he wants to bowl into his 30s. Once he starts to lose pace he'll have to adapt, like the greats did, like Lillee and Marshall and Waqar and all the others.

BTW, Symmo with his dibbler dobblers has bowled in a more intelligent manner than Lee - he just worked away at GoJo and finally got him caught at the gully for a duck. 6-114.
 
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OZGOD said:
GoJo walks out to face the music. Remember he's been picked for his batting.
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Gojo out for a duck. :)))
 
Stu Clark is a great addition to this team, eh. Very unassuming, easy going, but does the basics right, does the job and builds pressure.
 
244 was a miserable score at the end of the OZ innings, by the end of the day it had become mediocre, by lunch it's going to look challenging.
 
England will be all out for 150 ... then Australia will come in and make 300 runs and declare. England will collapse once again for another 200 odd runs and Aus wins by 200 runs.

Ashes series which for my liking has been overhyped way too much will be done and dusted as the worst series ever.
 
OZGOD said:
Stu Clark is a great addition to this team, eh. Very unassuming, easy going, but does the basics right, does the job and builds pressure.
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And looks very gay ... like you have pointed out before.
 
OZGOD said:
The problem with Lee though PP, is that he's so inconsistent. I have no issue with him being a runs truck if he takes wickets (though you look at express bowlers in the past they've had low economy rates as well as good averages). The problem is he doesn't take wickets and he doesn't keep the pressure on (barring the odd instance in Adelaide with the old ball). Most importantly for me, he doesn't seem to be able to consistently out-think a batsman - to bowl to a plan (like he did with Freddie). Either his execution of the plan is lacking, or his temperament gets the better of him and he abandons it.

I guess if you bowl that fast you will knock over most mediocre batsmen because they won't even be able to see the delivery, but quality batsmen will be a lot harder to dismiss.

Too often Lee acts as a release to pressure, rather than pressure in itself. If you think about it, he's got some great bowlers at the other end to create pressure of their own (eg McGrath, Warne, Clark, etc). It's not like he's trying to do it all by himself.

I have no issue with his work ethic, but he's going to have to be more intelligent, and get some more variation, if he wants to bowl into his 30s. Once he starts to lose pace he'll have to adapt, like the greats did, like Lillee and Marshall and Waqar and all the others.

BTW, Symmo with his dibbler dobblers has bowled in a more intelligent manner than Lee - he just worked away at GoJo and finally got him caught at the gully for a duck. 6-114.
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I understand what you are saying but we should also realize that it's not easy for a genuine fast bowler to think like Mcgrath or Clark! You gave an example of Waqar but remember that after losing some of his pace Waqar struggled for a good 2 years before learning to use his cricketing brain and out think the batsman…
 
Here's how the Guardian saw GoJo's dismissal:

Jones plays an awful shot, chasing a wide ball all the way into the hands of third slip . Unbelievable.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
I understand what you are saying but we should also realize that it's not easy for a genuine fast bowler to think like Mcgrath or Clark! You gave an example of Waqar but remember that after losing some of his pace Waqar struggled for a good 2 years before learning to use his cricketing brain and out think the batsman…
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Look at guys like Walsh, Ambrose, Marshall and Lillee to name a few though. And Imran Khan.
 
OZGOD said:
The problem with Lee though PP, is that he's so inconsistent. I have no issue with him being a runs truck if he takes wickets (though you look at express bowlers in the past they've had low economy rates as well as good averages). The problem is he doesn't take wickets and he doesn't keep the pressure on (barring the odd instance in Adelaide with the old ball). Most importantly for me, he doesn't seem to be able to consistently out-think a batsman - to bowl to a plan (like he did with Freddie). Either his execution of the plan is lacking, or his temperament gets the better of him and he abandons it.

I guess if you bowl that fast you will knock over most mediocre batsmen because they won't even be able to see the delivery, but quality batsmen will be a lot harder to dismiss.

Too often Lee acts as a release to pressure, rather than pressure in itself. If you think about it, he's got some great bowlers at the other end to create pressure of their own (eg McGrath, Warne, Clark, etc). It's not like he's trying to do it all by himself.

I have no issue with his work ethic, but he's going to have to be more intelligent, and get some more variation, if he wants to bowl into his 30s. Once he starts to lose pace he'll have to adapt, like the greats did, like Lillee and Marshall and Waqar and all the others.

BTW, Symmo with his dibbler dobblers has bowled in a more intelligent manner than Lee - he just worked away at GoJo and finally got him caught at the gully for a duck. 6-114.
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But lee Generates pressure for other bowlers. I do not think McGrath would be as successful now if it were not for Lee.
 
Lunch. 6-122. 4 wickets fell in that session, RR was 2.4. KP still there on 27, Mahmood on 6.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
I understand what you are saying but we should also realize that it's not easy for a genuine fast bowler to think like Mcgrath or Clark! You gave an example of Waqar but remember that after losing some of his pace Waqar struggled for a good 2 years before learning to use his cricketing brain and out think the batsman…
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I would have to agree with Oz here ... Lee is not the complete test bowler just yet. If you take McGrath and Warne out, Lee will struggle even more.
 
Amir said:
But lee Generates pressure for other bowlers. I do not think McGrath would be as successful now if it were not for Lee.
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McGrath has been successful for a long period now, not just since Lee.

It was McGrath and Gillespie for a long time remember, and this was during a period when Lee was dropped for a year.
 
OZGOD said:
Lunch. 6-122. 4 wickets fell in that session, RR was 2.4. KP still there on 27, Mahmood on 6.
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That has been England's problem this whole series. The only way to play Australia is to attack them and put them under pressure, as soon as you start playing defensively, you play straight into their hands.
 
OZGOD said:
Look at guys like Walsh, Ambrose, Marshall and Lillee to name a few though. And Imran Khan.
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You are comparing him with legends...plus all of them had major weapons e.g Imran had a banana in swinger,Ambrose was exceptionally tall, Marshall had a massive out swinger+ a lethal leg cutter....Lee mainly just pace and a bit of swing.
 
genghis81 said:
And looks very gay ... like you have pointed out before.
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His follow through is very gay. He sort of trots on with his bum waggling and his fists pumping up and down like he was marching at the Mardi Gras in Sydney! :))
 
Amir said:
But lee Generates pressure for other bowlers. I do not think McGrath would be as successful now if it were not for Lee.
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What pressure? He releases pressure, he doesn't add to it.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
You are comparing him with legends...plus all of them had major weapons e.g Imran had a banana in swinger,Ambrose was exceptionally tall, Marshall had a massive out swinger+ a lethal leg cutter....Lee mainly just pace and a bit of swing.
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My point. He needs to develop a weapon. Once his pace goes so will he.
 
This is why i was just a touch surprised to hear so many people say that ENG were well on top after day 1 because to me the match was about even then and now it's firmly in AUS's hands.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
This is why i was just a touch surprised to hear so many people say that ENG were well on top after day 1 because to me the match was about even then and now it's firmly in AUS's hands.
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They were well on top after bowling OZ for 244 though. But once OZ took 2 wickets before COP then I thought we were close to being back on level terms.
 
pathetic display from england. they are well on course to losing 5-0.

just like the last series when the aussies couldnt score boundaries they choked under pressure...this series the english batsmen just cannot score the 1s and 2s to keep the scoreboard ticking. and whats pathetic is that they got a pretty good glimpse of two of the best rotators of the strike today (yousuf and younis) before this series, yet they didnt learn a lesson.

fred's nightmare continues. poor guy will come out of this series mentally scarred. one of the more likeable players in the english team, i feel for him.

gojo is a walking wicket. i'm pretty sure i can get him out if someone gave me a chance :91: he's gotta go along with druken fletcher.
 
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OZGOD said:
My point. He needs to develop a weapon. Once his pace goes so will he.
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For that to happen first he will need to admit to himself that he is no longer quick enough to blow people away....and then slowly develop other skills ala Waqar( he developed a very useful out swinger)
 
Mahmood showing GoJo how it's done with 44444444444444444
 
Clark strikes back though, Mahmood tries to do it again and top edges to Gilly. 7-128.

KP will have to come up with some fireworks now to get England to 200 before he runs out of partners.
 
Clark seems to have stolen Mcgraths immaculate line and length.
Brilliant stuff!
 
Hoggy and Harmless need to hang around long enough for KP to do some damage. Unlike Collywobble I don't think that KP will be giving up much of the strike at all.
 
0.6 Clark to Mahmood, OUT, and for the third time in succession he steps to leg, flashes, edges and it's taken behind. Careless, hopeless shot and England are in an absolute mess
SI Mahmood c wicket-keeperGilchrist b Clark 10 (18b 1x4 0x6) SR: 55.55
 
KP need to fire now and need to protect tailenders at same time.
stop taking singles on first ball of the over
 
I don't know if anyone's watching the Channel 9 feed, but Ian Chappell's been stirring Michael Slater throughout the day. I wonder how long before Slats finally bites? :D
 
Yeah, I'm watchin it at the moment.
He was just stirring him about how JL replaced him in the 01 Ashes.
 
About GoJo, anyone know if he was allowed to have lunch or did he have to stand in the corner savouring his duck? :)))
 
41.2 McGrath to Pietersen, 1 run, pushes this out into the covers and again Pietersen takes the single to expose, this time, Hoggard


42.1 Clark to Pietersen, 1 run, good bouncer, straight, attacking Pietersen's cranium who is cramped, tries to hook it but can only glove it down to fine leg for a single...which he takes


43.1 McGrath to Pietersen, 1 run

last three overs Hoggy survived, but how long ?
 
The OZ are feeding KP singles to get him off strike.
 
Asim2Good said:
41.2 McGrath to Pietersen, 1 run, pushes this out into the covers and again Pietersen takes the single to expose, this time, Hoggard


42.1 Clark to Pietersen, 1 run, good bouncer, straight, attacking Pietersen's cranium who is cramped, tries to hook it but can only glove it down to fine leg for a single...which he takes


43.1 McGrath to Pietersen, 1 run

last three overs Hoggy survived, but how long ?
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44.1 Clark to Pietersen, 1 run
Once again.
 
poor batting from KP, four ball he faces and he just took singles. why he is not protecting Hoggy ?
 
4444444444444444 for KP, driven through mid off.
 
He must think that Hoggard can score some runs.
That's probably why he is a night-watchman.
Get someone in close for Hoggard.
Bowl a short one and he will be gone.
 
Ahhh I thought this was shaping to be a good test...I was mistaken/
 
Top edge into the gap.
We really need to attack KP.
Make him hit over the top.
 
KP with a crossbatted shot to Lee, up in the air but falls short of the men in the deep. Would've been out if there was someone at midwicket or mid on.
 
If we get the last 3 wickets before tea, we could bat for a long time and bat England out of the match.
 
BroskiBeat said:
oh its that easy is it
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I'm not saying it's easy.
I'm just saying that if we get a big score (eg 450+), then England will be pretty much out of this match.
But I have heard that this WACA pitch is going to get easier to bat on as time goes on. We will have to wait and see.
 
Sean. said:
I'm not saying it's easy.
I'm just saying that if we get a big score (eg 450+), then England will be pretty much out of this match.
But I have heard that this WACA pitch is going to get easier to bat on as time goes on. We will have to wait and see.
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The Ch9 commentators have said that the temperatures arre going to be around the mid 30's tomorrow and they said it will get easier to bat on.
 
50 for KP.
Nice innings. I think he needs to go for boundaries now and get England up to 200.
 
Hoggy gone for 4, edged a Warne delivery to first slip.
 
KP dropped! KP hits it straight down the ground but McGrath drops it!
 
KP tries the exact same thing again but it falls short of McGrath.
 
6666666666666666666 for KP, he's decided to have a go.
 
KP nearly out again, hits down the ground but it drops short of Clarke at long off.

What an over - KP could've been out 3 times but also hit a massive 6.
 
Nearly every shot from KP is an attacking one. 8-175. He might overhaul the OZ total all by himself!
 
Defensive field set for KP, they want to give him a single and get him off strike.
 
Lee nearly bowls KP through the gate with a 95mph yorker which missed the base of the stumps by millimetres.
 
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