Australia vs Pakistan | 1st ODI | Melbourne | November 04 | Pre-Match Discussion

Which side will win the 1st ODI match between Australia vs Pakistan?


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Pakistan's squad sees several changes as they gear up for their first ODI series since the 2023 World Cup. With the 2025 Champions Trophy approaching, they’ll be aiming to build a strong combination and secure some wins against the reigning ODI champions.

In the absence of Fakhar Zaman, young Saim Ayub is set to make his ODI debut. Already experienced in T20Is and Tests for Pakistan, he’ll be eager to impress on Australian soil. Babar Azam will occupy the No. 3 spot, looking to make a statement in a format where he averages an impressive 56.72.

Kamran Ghulam, who recently grabbed attention with a century on his Test debut, will come in at No. 4, followed by captain Mohammad Rizwan. Then, Pakistan’s lineup will feature all-rounders Salman Ali Agha, Arafat Minhas, and Aamir Jamal. Agha and Minhas offer spin-bowling options along with their batting, while Jamal brings seam-bowling to the mix, adding depth to the lineup. Three frontline pacers will follow them.

Mohammad Hasnain returns after an extended absence, but with Shaheen Shah Afridi, Naseem Shah, and Haris Rauf available, the latter three are expected to play the first ODI. While Afridi and Rauf have faced recent criticism for inconsistent form, they possess valuable experience in Australia and will likely have the team's backing. Overall, Pakistan presents a well-rounded squad and will be eager to make a strong impression at the MCG in the series opener on November 4.


Pakistan ODI Squad: Aamer Jamal, Abdullah Shafique, Arafat Minhas, Babar Azam, Faisal Akram, Haris Rauf, Haseebullah (WK), Kamran Ghulam, Mohammad Hasnain, Mohammad Rizwan (WK), Muhammad Irfan Khan, Naseem Shah, Saim Ayub, Salman Ali Agha, Shaheen Shah Afridi

Australia ODI Squad: Pat Cummins (c), Sean Abbott, Cooper Connolly, Jake Fraser-McGurk, Aaron Hardie, Josh Hazlewood, Josh Inglis, Marnus Labuschagne, Glenn Maxwell, Matthew Short, Steve Smith, Mitchell Starc, Marcus Stoinis, Adam Zampa.


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Saim
Shafique
Babar
Kamran
Rizwan
Salman
Arafat
Jamal
Shaheen
Naseem
Haris

Expected eleven. But faisal aqram should be given a go. Not sure how his batting is. But arafat definitely a better batter
 

The first international of the Australian summer is always a special occasion, and this never fails to hype you up...before the inevitable battering begins :ROFLMAO:

I'll be shocked if we win a single game in either format on this tour.
 
Feel sorry for Faisal Akram & Arafat Minhas to be making there debuts in Australia against a relatively strong Aussie side.
 

@mominsaigol check Travis Head and Sharjeel’s stats in this series

Head 270 runs @100sr

Sharjeel 250 runs @115sr
sharjeel was a cheetah player on bouncy tracks... Pakistan will miss that sort of player on this tour who can handle pace and bounce that easily.
 
They made a big mistake in not picking Sharjeel Khan ... he is an absolute gun batter. So what, if he can't catch a paratha in the outfield.
It's actually ridiculous how Pak can be okay w selecting someone like Azam Khan but not Sharjeel, who is fitter, stronger, and a better batter than the big round man.

Sharjeel, U Akmal, and Fakhar are the most revolutionary players of Pakistan in the last decade+. True modern day white ball players who had so much potential. The only ones who could counter the Warners, Butlers, and Fin Allens of the world. So sad. And Pak still has the option to utilize whatever Sharjeel and Fakhar have left in the tank but no, Abdullah Shafique it is


Hoping Saim, Usman Khan and Aamir Jamal can bring ignition to the white ball squad for the CT. And M Haris in the near future
 
Saim Ayub
Haseebullah (Wk)
Abdullah S
Babar
Rizwan (C)
Agha S
Amir Jamal
Naseem
Hasnain
F Akram
Shaheen
 

@mominsaigol check Travis Head and Sharjeel’s stats in this series

Head 270 runs @100sr

Sharjeel 250 runs @115sr
Tbf it was 2017 Travis and he wasn't mainstay during this time period and he did score centuries.

I don't think Sharjeel is more explosive then current TH . TH is the best and most destructive batter in the world atm. Excluding Butler in his prime when he was cranking 45 ball 100's, I don't think anyone is onsong TH level in terms of sr atm.

Still very impressive that Sharjeel managed to strike at a higher pace then an aussie batter in his hone turf.
 
Sharjeel
Umar
Amir
Imad
Hafeez
Wahab


Solid white ball players. Now I think Saim is the only genuine white ball prospect. The rest are all mediocre
You shpuld add 2014-2015 Sarfi on that list as well.

Smacking 2014 Australia while the rest were crumbling like a house of cards,

Bullying NZ in t20 as an opener into next week

Bullying South africa into next week, so much so that sa had to get sarfi run out

Scoring a wc 100 when no one in 2011 could, and single handidely taking pakistan to QF. And no the whole it was only Ireland bro doesn't make any sense. UA and Afridi would have have gotten those 100 runs and neither would the horrible tail at that time. Furthermore out team lost to Ireland this year 🤣.

Scoring a 100 against England from a collapsed position. And taking Pakistan into sf of CT by scoring 62 not out with amir.

2014-2017 sarfi is a proper whiteball player not to mention he was also a genuine crisesman. The amount of tests and odi games he's saved is truly impressive.

It's why I find it hilarious when people portray 86 avg spin bradman stats on me to justify rizzu > Prime sarfi 🤣🤣🤣
 
This was the ODI team for the OZ tour back in 2017. Are we better or worse since then?

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Much worse now lol.

Azhar Ali is a reliable batter. He isn't great and I'm not fan boying him but his left foot is much better then any imam's, Shan's or Abdullah's we've had.

Sharjeel is a gun batter as always

Hafeez hitting his peak stride during this time followed by Babar and Imad being inform. The bowling with wahab, Hasan ali and amir were key with all batters being inform.

And best of all the keeper actually batted at 6 and did his job which was keeping and not whining nonstop.

The current team is a joke
 
Saim Ayub
Haseebullah (Wk)
Abdullah S
Babar
Rizwan (C)
Agha S
Amir Jamal
Naseem
Hasnain
F Akram
Shaheen

HaseebUllah??? He should not have been there in squad and you want him to play?? This guy ate the space of Usman Khan who performed in champions cup while HaseebUllah was a failure everywhere including with Shaheens.

Rest of the team is fine. I will bring Irfan Khan in.
 
HaseebUllah??? He should not have been there in squad and you want him to play?? This guy ate the space of Usman Khan who performed in champions cup while HaseebUllah was a failure everywhere including with Shaheens.

Rest of the team is fine. I will bring Irfan Khan in.

What? Haseebullah is one of the most exciting batting talents around—not just based on a few performances, but on consistent achievements backed by data.

He didn’t get much game time during the Champions Cup, playing only one match, but his List A stats speak for themselves. Since Babar Azam, he’s been the most consistent batter in List A cricket.

As for Usman Khan, he’s not currently with the team.
 
What? Haseebullah is one of the most exciting batting talents around—not just based on a few performances, but on consistent achievements backed by data.

He didn’t get much game time during the Champions Cup, playing only one match, but his List A stats speak for themselves. Since Babar Azam, he’s been the most consistent batter in List A cricket.

As for Usman Khan, he’s not currently with the team.
Look at Haseeb's recent from, he was pathetic.

Usman performed in the whole Champions Cup.
 
Look at Haseeb's recent from, he was pathetic.

Usman performed in the whole Champions Cup.
Well, Usman Khan has not been selected so how can he be in the playing 11? In any case, I do agree with the selectors if they want him to toil 2 more seasons to prove himself. 1 season is not enough.
Where did Haseebullah not look in form? He did well in Grade 1 and didn’t play the champions cup due to injury.
 
Well, Usman Khan has not been selected so how can he be in the playing 11? In any case, I do agree with the selectors if they want him to toil 2 more seasons to prove himself. 1 season is not enough.
Where did Haseebullah not look in form? He did well in Grade 1 and didn’t play the champions cup due to injury.
Well... Let's hope he comes good but in his only T20 that he played for Pakistan, he was clueless. Maybe he was nervous as well.

I don't rate this guy very high.
 
Well... Let's hope he comes good but in his only T20 that he played for Pakistan, he was clueless. Maybe he was nervous as well.

I don't rate this guy very high.
It’s impossible to judge a player’s potential based on eye tests and one off performances. Trust the data.
2.5k runs at a List A average of 52 and SR of 88. 9 centuries and 10 fifties. This is a very very special player and he should be inducted very soon.
 
Batting first is very important at MCG. Bat first , put up 315+ and the match is in the bag.

OZ

Short
JFMcG
Smith
Marnus
Cooper
Maxwell
Inglis
Hardie
Zampa
Hazlewood
Cummins
 
Australian experts are very good in their analysis, blunt yet assertive will be interesting how they analyze Rizwan the captain. Previously they have done complete postmortem of Pakistan captains from MoYo to Afridi to Misbah to Azhar Ali
 

@mominsaigol check Travis Head and Sharjeel’s stats in this series

Head 270 runs @100sr

Sharjeel 250 runs @115sr
Sharjeel and Warner both hit 7 sixes

Sharjeel faced around 100 less deliveries than Warner as well

Why Pakistan insist on wasting this player is beyond me!
 
Sharjeel and Warner both hit 7 sixes

Sharjeel faced around 100 less deliveries than Warner as well

Why Pakistan insist on wasting this player is beyond me!

Sharjeel & Warner in same sentence , the craze!!!!

Ishq Hai Bekhudhi Hai Kya Bas Teri Aarzu Hai Jaan,

Puchho Na Zindagi Hai Kya Bas Teri Aarzu Hai Jaan
 
Sharjeel and Warner both hit 7 sixes

Sharjeel faced around 100 less deliveries than Warner as well

Why Pakistan insist on wasting this player is beyond me!
A player who's avg 50 with an sr of 122 in domestic deserves a call up regardless.

But again I'm not surprised. Usman Khan avg 54 and sr of 103 in the Champions one day cup and was the top scorer as well yet he's missing

However hasebullah, rizwan and Abdullah are playing despite all 3 of them avg 15 to 29 and all 3 of then having the lowest sr of that tournament 54, 71 and 80 respectively.

Heck rizzu is captain lol
 
Sharjeel & Warner in same sentence , the craze!!!!

Ishq Hai Bekhudhi Hai Kya Bas Teri Aarzu Hai Jaan,

Puchho Na Zindagi Hai Kya Bas Teri Aarzu Hai Jaan
If you can always use Gilchrist and Rizwan in the same sentence, why can’t I use Sharjeel and Warner in the same sentence as well?
 
A player who's avg 50 with an sr of 122 in domestic deserves a call up regardless.

But again I'm not surprised. Usman Khan avg 54 and sr of 103 in the Champions one day cup and was the top scorer as well yet he's missing

However hasebullah, rizwan and Abdullah are playing despite all 3 of them avg 15 to 29 and all 3 of then having the lowest sr of that tournament 54, 71 and 80 respectively.

Heck rizzu is captain lol
Trust me , selections captaincy etc in Pakistan ae viewed with lot other things than performance, one has to keep all stakeholders in loop, Khushdil Ifti these players were inserted in they till infinity until their promoters were left egg faced , so now they come up with new lot.

Connections Networking matters the most
 
Trust me , selections captaincy etc in Pakistan ae viewed with lot other things than performance, one has to keep all stakeholders in loop, Khushdil Ifti these players were inserted in they till infinity until their promoters were left egg faced , so now they come up with new lot.

Connections Networking matters the most
Connections Networking matters the most

Lol i already know that. How do you think Misbah got made captain and now his spritual successor rizzu got made captain.

Honestly both misbah and rizwan are exactly the same. I already talked about how their similar in playstyle but their also similar in career structure.

Both of these couldn't find a place in the side(Misbah early 2000's) and rizzu (2015-2019)

Until these 2 made connections via bootlicking.

Rizwan had Misbah as his biggest connection followed by Misbah becoming Captain thanks to waqar Younis. And both these 2 tried to walk over other captains.

Waqar did it with Afridi, Rizzu did it with sarfi.

Performance bhar mei jai, it's all about who you know.

No wonder pak cricket is so backwards lol
 
A player who's avg 50 with an sr of 122 in domestic deserves a call up regardless.

But again I'm not surprised. Usman Khan avg 54 and sr of 103 in the Champions one day cup and was the top scorer as well yet he's missing

However hasebullah, rizwan and Abdullah are playing despite all 3 of them avg 15 to 29 and all 3 of then having the lowest sr of that tournament 54, 71 and 80 respectively.

Heck rizzu is captain lol
It is shocking indeed. Really disappointed by Usman's exclusion especially when you consider those who are being picked ahead of him
 
It's actually ridiculous how Pak can be okay w selecting someone like Azam Khan but not Sharjeel, who is fitter, stronger, and a better batter than the big round man.

Sharjeel, U Akmal, and Fakhar are the most revolutionary players of Pakistan in the last decade+. True modern day white ball players who had so much potential. The only ones who could counter the Warners, Butlers, and Fin Allens of the world. So sad. And Pak still has the option to utilize whatever Sharjeel and Fakhar have left in the tank but no, Abdullah Shafique it is


Hoping Saim, Usman Khan and Aamir Jamal can bring ignition to the white ball squad for the CT. And M Haris in the near future
Is it too late to say I was being sarcastic?
 
Usman was given chances he failed to grab it,
Not in ODIS.
He played on poor batting surfaces in T20 world cup.

This is a different format that allows you the time to settle in , get used to the pace and bounce of pitch before going about your business.

Usman has scored 680 runs in his painfully short List-A career at an avg of 75. It also includes a double hundred.

He remains a victim of injustice.
 
Usman was given chances he failed to grab it,
He didn't fail to grab to anything. You took a debutant into a world cup and only gave him 2 overseas series (Ireland and NZ) and you didn't even bother to make him play every game.

Not only did he not play every game prior to the world cup, his number and position wasn't even set. Sometimes he'd bat at 3, Sometimes 4 and sometimes 5.

And then you took him straight into a world cup where you expected him to play in new York? Lol

Do you expect anyone to perform when they don't even have a set batting number, aren't even playing every single game and it's their first time overseas?

Kuda ka khoof karo, Shall I remind you of rizwan's brilliant career from 2015-2019?

As you said Connections and Networking matter, not performance
 
Not in ODIS.
He played on poor batting surfaces in T20 world cup.

This is a different format that allows you the time to settle in , get used to the pace and bounce of pitch before going about your business.

Usman has scored 680 runs in his painfully short List-A career at an avg of 75. It also includes a double hundred.

He remains a victim of injustice.
He didn't even fail in t20 international? His performance is no worse then the rest lol.

He has proven that currently he's one of the best Whiteball batters for pakistan.
 
he has not stamped his place, 8-9 games are enough for any player to make his spot.
right, so @mominsaigol questioned why Pakistan's best 50 over batter in the champion's cup was not picked in the ODI side for Australia, your response was 'he has failed to grab his opportunity'.

what opportunity? the opportunity to lift Misbah's bags? the opportunity to lay out a red carpet for Naqvi? what opportunity?
 
right, so @mominsaigol questioned why Pakistan's best 50 over batter in the champion's cup was not picked in the ODI side for Australia, your response was 'he has failed to grab his opportunity'.

what opportunity? the opportunity to lift Misbah's bags? the opportunity to lay out a red carpet for Naqvi? what opportunity?
Misbah is not part of any decision making, go protest in Aqib Javed appreciation thread who you treat like Antonio Conte of Pakistan
 
Misbah is not part of any decision making, go protest in Aqib Javed appreciation thread who you treat like Antonio Conte of Pakistan
But that's not the point here, its about you saying Usman Khan didnt grab his opportunity to play ODI cricket. You made a huge blunder here and dropped your mask. You can act like you are a Pakistan fan, but thats not the truth. You are not a Pakistan cricket fan. You are the fan of a player or a few players, and you will say things/lies to protect those players
 
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The only rational reason I can think of for Usman's exclusion is his perceived weakness against the short ball. And he is a pretty poor keeper.

You can get away with it on Pakistani pitches but short ball weaknesses get brutally exposed on Australian pitches.

However, it's also true that his alternatives have plenty of weaknesses in their respective games too.
 
But that's not the point here, its about you saying Usman Khan didnt grab his opportunity to play ODI cricket. You made a huge blunder here and dropped your mask. You can act like you are a Pakistan fan, but thats not the truth. You are not a Pakistan cricket fan. You are the fan of a player or a few players, and you will say things/lies to protect those players.
Where to fit Usman the tuller was dillema

Batsmen in squad are Babar, Shafiq, Saim, and Irfan,

provided Rizwan and Haseebullah are specialist keepers

A case can be made against the selection of Irfan but then again people at PCB try to give everybody their piece of cake
 
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The truth is that even the best of Pakistan's XI always lost in Australian conditions, so no hope from this squad either. If they manage to win then it will be a good otherwise we will be back to routine.
 
The truth is that even the best of Pakistan's XI always lost in Australian conditions, so no hope from this squad either. If they manage to win then it will be a good otherwise we will be back to routine.
Bro why is that pak play well in england compare to australia any valid reason?
 
Usman should get opportunities in ODI. T20 is not a good metric to judge a player.

He sacrificed his UAE career for Pakistan. Should be given a go in ODI format.
 
Estimated playing 11 for both sides

Australia

1)
Mattew Short
2) Jake Fraser
3) Smith
4) Inglis (WK)
5) Labu
6) Maxwell
7) Stoinis
8) Cummins (C)
9) Starc
10) Hazelwood
11) Zampa

Pakistan

1) Saim Ayub
2) Abdullah Shafique
3) Babar Azam
4) Muhammad Rizwan (WK)(C)
5) Salman Ali Agha
6) Irfan Khan Niazi
7) Aamer Jamal
8) Shaheen Shah Afridi
9) Naseem Shah
10) Haris Rauf
11) Muhammad Husnain

Don't know of Pakistan will go for 5 pacers though, they might add in a specialist spinner.
 
Estimated playing 11 for both sides

Australia

1)
Mattew Short
2) Jake Fraser
3) Smith
4) Inglis (WK)
5) Labu
6) Maxwell
7) Stoinis
8) Cummins (C)
9) Starc
10) Hazelwood
11) Zampa

Pakistan

1) Saim Ayub
2) Abdullah Shafique
3) Babar Azam
4) Muhammad Rizwan (WK)(C)
5) Salman Ali Agha
6) Irfan Khan Niazi
7) Aamer Jamal
8) Shaheen Shah Afridi
9) Naseem Shah
10) Haris Rauf
11) Muhammad Husnain

Don't know of Pakistan will go for 5 pacers though, they might add in a specialist spinner.
I thought Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood weren't in their named squad :p
 
Sharjeel and Warner both hit 7 sixes

Sharjeel faced around 100 less deliveries than Warner as well

Why Pakistan insist on wasting this player is beyond me!
How did Pakistan waste Sharjeel? Are you saying he didn't get caught in spot fixing ?
 
Australia wouldn't mind playing pace. I would suggest we play either of Arafat or Faisal to try and get some breakthroughs in middle overs.
 
The only rational reason I can think of for Usman's exclusion is his perceived weakness against the short ball. And he is a pretty poor keeper.

You can get away with it on Pakistani pitches but short ball weaknesses get brutally exposed on Australian pitches.

However, it's also true that his alternatives have plenty of weaknesses in their respective games too.
He’s only played one List A season. I understand the excitement, but he needs at least two more seasons to continue developing his ODI game and truly earn his selection.

In T20, he’s already played two seasons and a domestic tournament, and the selection bar for T20 is generally lower than for ODIs.

If that’s the reasoning here, I completely agree—a single season isn’t a big enough sample size!
 
Usman should get opportunities in ODI. T20 is not a good metric to judge a player.

He sacrificed his UAE career for Pakistan. Should be given a go in ODI format.

I just don't like his technique. We produce far too many batters with this kind of style of batting. They hack and cut at everything. Shots are almost always premeditated.

I like fluent batters like Babar and Saim.


I hope I am wrong and he fires in OZ but I don't expect it.
 
I just don't like his technique. We produce far too many batters with this kind of style of batting. They hack and cut at everything. Shots are almost always premeditated.

I like fluent batters like Babar and Saim.


I hope I am wrong and he fires in OZ but I don't expect it.
Excellent analysis, Usman is another one from hack group may be an better version of hack, we need proper batsmen who can play according to situation
 
I just don't like his technique. We produce far too many batters with this kind of style of batting. They hack and cut at everything. Shots are almost always premeditated.

I like fluent batters like Babar and Saim.


I hope I am wrong and he fires in OZ but I don't expect it.
I like fluent batters like Babar and Saim.

So basically 2 walking wickets? Fluent batter saim has been a circus clown in t20. In test hes improving but all he has is 3 nmediocre 50's to his name, all achieved in the first innings and not of then being memorable or game changing. He's frequently failed in the 2nd innings?

Babar has been a circus clown for 2 years now. He became a Nepal E Azam meme


 
Things changed during Covid 19
Ok since you are obsessed with covid era, so here is the fact.

post his ban, in T20s He played series vs SA and WI. Where his highest score was 20 with 8 and 15 in other two matches.

Even before he was banned for spot fixing he had just 2 fifties in 15 matches in T20s.

In ODIs he couldn't get back into the team because Fakhar and Imam were already well settled as an openers during that time.

If I remember correctly, In his 40 appearances at international cricket overall across all formats, the only good innings he played was 2 in ODIs vs Australia ( both in loosing cause) and 1 in t20 at old trafford ( Winning cause). That is the highlights of his entire so called peak career.

Now you can argue about PSL, National cup, tape ball cup or even some local cup, the fact is he was poor and couldn't grab his place in national team on merit.
 
I like fluent batters like Babar and Saim.

So basically 2 walking wickets? Fluent batter saim has been a circus clown in t20. In test hes improving but all he has is 3 nmediocre 50's to his name, all achieved in the first innings and not of then being memorable or game changing. He's frequently failed in the 2nd innings?

Babar has been a circus clown for 2 years now. He became a Nepal E Azam meme

We can put that down to form but we can agree their techniques are more aesthetic. This is why I don't like Rizwan but he is effective.
 
What? Haseebullah is one of the most exciting batting talents around—not just based on a few performances, but on consistent achievements backed by data.

He didn’t get much game time during the Champions Cup, playing only one match, but his List A stats speak for themselves. Since Babar Azam, he’s been the most consistent batter in List A cricket.

As for Usman Khan, he’s not currently with the team.
Are you being sarcastic or being serious.
 
My xi

Rizwan
Saim
Babar
Kamran Ghullam
Agha Salman
Irfan Khan
Arafat Minhas
Jamal
Shaheen
Naseem
Hussain
 
We can put that down to form but we can agree their techniques are more aesthetic. This is why I don't like Rizwan but he is effective.
A good batter will be aesthetically pleasing no matter their technique. If their performing, they will have fans.
 
My xi

Rizwan
Saim
Babar
Kamran Ghullam
Agha Salman
Irfan Khan
Arafat Minhas
Jamal
Shaheen
Naseem
Hussain
Do you want rizwan to open?? He is not gonna do that, especially in Odis.

Abdullah and saim are gonna play. that is fact that is a tough pill to swallow.
 
Bro why is that pak play well in england compare to australia any valid reason?
English conditions suites our bowlers. Wet and overcast conditions are good for seam bowlers. And you are a stroke batsmen then you can do good in england.
Australian conditions are mostly dry and hostile. Our bowlers drain out in those conditions as you have to use your whole body power to bowl in those pitches. And batsmen always struggle as bowl dont come on bat properly.
 
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