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Australia vs Pakistan | 2nd Test | Adelaide | Nov 29 - Dec 3, 2019 | Day 3 | Match Thread

Can see it playing out like this

Shafiq will score a 50 and stay for another 2 years while Azhar does a 34 (101) and gets applauded while Babar falls cheap in the follow on and people say we still need the 'experienced' players
 
Can't understand how we only score 96 losing 6 wkts and the Aussies almost 600 for three. A club side would have done better then our team. I hope we never tour Australia again for at least ten years.
 
PakLFC said:
Can't understand how we only score 96 losing 6 wkts and the Aussies almost 600 for three. A club side would have done better then our team. I hope we never tour Australia again for at least ten years.
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True. It is mind boggling. I am thinking even Hong Kong or Nepal would fare better.
 
We have had a few showers this morning but if it remains dry then it will start on time.

I just had the strangest experience in the lift.

Iftikhar Ahmed got in. I whispered to the lady beside me (who is in my group watching the game) that he is supposed to be 29 years old. She giggled and pointed out that his hair is clearly dyed black, and that he must be at least 35.

Then Waqar Younis got into the lift. The lady said to him that he must be hoping for rain. I then heroically said “Do you remember playing against Aaqib at The Oval in ‘91 and taking 6 wickets in both innings? I was there!”

Waqar looked baffled, and clearly had no memory of it at all. And I have been teased mercilessly for the last hour by my friends for being such a cricket tragic that I remember things that even the actual bowler in question doesn’t.

So I said to my friends “But it was memorable - I think he took 6-45 and 6-49”.

My friends have already been laughing at the fact that the Aussie players have nicknamed Labuschagne “STS” - Stranger Than Steve (Smith)”.

Now I’m getting called “STM” - Stranger Than Marnus”.
 
PakLFC said:
Can't understand how we only score 96 losing 6 wkts and the Aussies almost 600 for three. A club side would have done better then our team. I hope we never tour Australia again for at least ten years.
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Pakistan had literally one viable bowler - Shaheen.

Even Abbas was incredibly cowardly: he cut back his length to improve his economy rate even though that took bowled and lbw out of the equation.

How Australia did - 6-91 mainly in the evening session - was par for the conditions.
 
Junaids said:
Pakistan had literally one viable bowler - Shaheen.

Even Abbas was incredibly cowardly: he cut back his length to improve his economy rate even though that took bowled and lbw out of the equation.

How Australia did - 6-91 mainly in the evening session - was par for the conditions.
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Cheap excuses. We are just a second rate side.
 
Ponting was blunt in his assessment. Called this the worst bowling attack to ever visit Australian shores.
 
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PakLFC said:
Cheap excuses. We are just a second rate side.
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It’s a fact, not an excuse.

Australia did not give a single over to a quick bowler shorter than 6’4.

Their attack was:
Starc 6’6
Hazlewood 6’5
Cummins 6’4

Pakistan has Shaheen Shah, who is 6’6 and had figures of 30-5-88-3.

And the other two fast bowlers were 5’10 and 5’6 and had combined figures of 49-8-214-0.

Height is 90% of the requirement for fast bowlers in Australia. Everything else is secondary.
 
I think I heard someone saying "buffet is open early today" in context of Pakistan bowling.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Ponting was blunt in his assessment. Called this the worst bowling attack to ever visit Australian shores.
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He’s right.

Amir and Wahab have done well in Brisbane before and Rahat Ali and Ehsan Adil have done well in similar conditions in South Africa.

The players exist, they just aren’t in the squad.
 
Junaids said:
It’s a fact, not an excuse.

Australia did not give a single over to a quick bowler shorter than 6’4.

Their attack was:
Starc 6’6
Hazlewood 6’5
Cummins 6’4

Pakistan has Shaheen Shah, who is 6’6 and had figures of 30-5-88-3.

And the other two fast bowlers were 5’10 and 5’6 and had combined figures of 49-8-214-0.

Height is 90% of the requirement for fast bowlers in Australia. Everything else is secondary.
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The only fact is that we can't bat or bowl. The short bowlers you are blaming were chosen by us as being the best in the country. If they are lacking then that is our problem but the scary thing is it's the best we have! Over the past few years we have tried more bowlers then people have hot dinners without any success. Best is we just play in subcontinental conditions versus Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Ponting was blunt in his assessment. Called this the worst bowling attack to ever visit Australian shores.
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Totally agree with Ricky. What is frightening is these jokers who are club bowlers are the best we have!
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Ponting was blunt in his assessment. Called this the worst bowling attack to ever visit Australian shores.
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PakLFC said:
Totally agree with Ricky. What is frightening is these jokers are the best we have!
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But they aren’t.

Who thinks that Musa has more right to be playing this Test than Sameen, Ehsan Adil or even Rahat Ali?

And shouldn’t the management have ensured that Amir and Wahab were available?
 
Junaids said:
But they aren’t.

Who thinks that Musa has more right to be playing this Test than Sameen, Ehsan Adil or even Rahat Ali?

And shouldn’t the management have ensured that Amir and Wahab were available?
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Who would have you picked? I would have gone with Ehsan Adil, Sameen Gul.
 
Junaids said:
But they aren’t.

Who thinks that Musa has more right to be playing this Test than Sameen, Ehsan Adil or even Rahat Ali?

And shouldn’t the management have ensured that Amir and Wahab were available?
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We can't force retired players to play. Either our players are too young or not good enough. We can't depend on Musa or Shah to be the main wicket takers. There should experienced and good ones showing them how it's done. Our entire attack for this tour is mediocre to say the least with no one on the subs bench who will make a difference. We just like to talk up those not playing as the next great thing.
 
Truly amazing shot, playing the toughest shot in game picture perfectly. I think, since Zaheer, Babar is probably the best driver from PAK, may be along with MoYo.
 
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Yasir shah is batting well , he probably looking to stay in the side as bowling allrounder.
 
HappyWarsFan said:
Who would have you picked? I would have gone with Ehsan Adil, Sameen Gul.
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For this tour?
Six quicks
1. Shaheen Shah
2. Sameen Gul
3 a.Mohammad Amir (Adelaide only)
3 b.Wahab Riaz (Brisbane only)
4. Ehsan Adil
5. Mohammad Abbas
6. Naseem Shah

1 pace all-rounder Faheem Ashraf
1 spin all-rounder Shadab Khan
1 spin specialist Zafar Gohar

See how easy it is to bat against an old pink ball in daylight? This is half the reason to select Shadab and Faheem.
 
PakLFC said:
Totally agree with Ricky. What is frightening is these jokers who are club bowlers are the best we have!
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I don't agree with [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] about Wahab and Aamir and there is no attack that Pakistan could have fielded that would be considered world beaters but Pakistan can certainly do better than Imran/Musa . That's a clear failure on the part of Misbah to not select someone like a Sameen Gul for tests.
 
Perfectly placed from Yasir.

Should have been a 3rd slip but the Aussies are in full on defensive mode as a result of the battering they're receiving this morning. :rahat
 
Why Junaids keep mentioning Railu katas like Faheem Ashraf and Shadab Khan into the squad?
 
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Justcrazy said:
Yasir shah is batting well , he probably looking to stay in the side as bowling allrounder.
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He should have tried that from day 1 and he definitely had potential. Guy plays 6-7 Tests a year and that's it, still awarded a Cat A contract - there was absolutely no reason for him to spend twice the time in nets and take that batting average to 18-19, if not 23-25. Now, it's too late.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I don't agree with [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] about Wahab and Aamir and there is no attack that Pakistan could have fielded that would be considered world beaters but Pakistan can certainly do better than Imran/Musa . That's a clear failure on the part of Misbah to not select someone like a Sameen Gul for tests.
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There is a big philosophical question here.

We all accept the principle of playing different players in different conditions. I would always want a second and third spinner in Asia whom I wouldn’t pick in South Africa.

A guy like Amir has done well in his last fifteen Tests in England, Ireland and South Africa but is too short and too slow to be worth picking in the UAE.

Why force him to be available in conditions in which he can’t succeed?

I’d rather have Wasim Khan sit down with Amir and Yasir and offer Amir a contract involving Outside Asia Tests only and offer Yasir one for Inside Asia Tests only.

But stop all this National Duty nonsense. It’s like insisting that the Navy send its submarines to fight in the desert!
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I don't agree with [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] about Wahab and Aamir and there is no attack that Pakistan could have fielded that would be considered world beaters but Pakistan can certainly do better than Imran/Musa . That's a clear failure on the part of Misbah to not select someone like a Sameen Gul for tests.
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Wahab and Amir may have taken 2 wickets between them. Amir has retired, Wahab was the only one who could have been in the team.
 
Yasir farming the strike to protect his junior partner

:salute
 
Yasir Shah currently 3rd highest run scorer from Pakistani team! He will make the next test squad as a batsman.
 
andy0204 said:
Why Junaids keep mentioning Railu katas like Faheem Ashraf and Shadab Khan into the squad?
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Because:

Shadab Khan scored a fifty and took 4-80 two Tests ago. His replacement Iftikhar has managed no runs and no wickets.

Faheem Ashraf played that Test too and took 6-99. Three times as many wickets as Imran, Naseem, Abbas and Musa combined have taken in two Tests.
 
MMHS said:
He should have tried that from day 1 and he definitely had potential. Guy plays 6-7 Tests a year and that's it, still awarded a Cat A contract - there was absolutely no reason for him to spend twice the time in nets and take that batting average to 18-19, if not 23-25. Now, it's too late.
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That is a huge problem with Pakistan players. They do not work hard enough to take themselves to next level. Even bowlers like Gul , Wahab , Sami were pretty decent with bat , but never worked on it.
 
Babar is such a selfish player, it seems like yasir protecting him. He is the best in this team and country but he is more in mold of tendu than kohli sadly.
 
Junaids said:
Because:

Shadab Khan scored a fifty and took 4-80 two Tests ago. His replacement Iftikhar has managed no runs and no wickets.

Faheem Ashraf played that Test too and took 6-99. Three times as many wickets as Imran, Naseem, Abbas and Musa combined have taken in two Tests.
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Junaid give it a rest man, in grand scheme of things they would make zero difference in final score line, they maybe better than these clowns we selected maybe worse but they are no sobers.
 
Junaids said:
Because:

Shadab Khan scored a fifty and took 4-80 two Tests ago. His replacement Iftikhar has managed no runs and no wickets.

Faheem Ashraf played that Test too and took 6-99. Three times as many wickets as Imran, Naseem, Abbas and Musa combined have taken in two Tests.
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But the sample size is very less to judge them.
 
MMHS said:
He should have tried that from day 1 and he definitely had potential. Guy plays 6-7 Tests a year and that's it, still awarded a Cat A contract - there was absolutely no reason for him to spend twice the time in nets and take that batting average to 18-19, if not 23-25. Now, it's too late.
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Dear is there any quick fix for this hopeless team in near short term future or we should get use to this humiliation?
 
Junaids said:
It’s a fact, not an excuse.

Australia did not give a single over to a quick bowler shorter than 6’4.

Their attack was:
Starc 6’6
Hazlewood 6’5
Cummins 6’4

Pakistan has Shaheen Shah, who is 6’6 and had figures of 30-5-88-3.

And the other two fast bowlers were 5’10 and 5’6 and had combined figures of 49-8-214-0.

Height is 90% of the requirement for fast bowlers in Australia. Everything else is secondary.
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Very good observation, quite logical as well. But, here is a score card of a bowling attack of three fast bowlers 6'6", 6'-5" & 6'-2", backed by 5'-11" all-rounder .... and the tallest two had a match figure of (bowled only once in the game) 65-9-238-3 .... what went wrong there? And, that Test was at WACA, world's bounciest wicket ....

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...gland-3rd-test-eng-tour-of-aus-and-nz-2017-18
 
MMHS said:
Very good observation, quite logical as well. But, here is a score card of a bowling attack of three fast bowlers 6'6", 6'-5" & 6'-2", backed by 5'-11" all-rounder .... and the tallest two had a match figure of (bowled only once in the game) 65-9-238-3 .... what went wrong there? And, that Test was at WACA, world's bounciest wicket ....

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...gland-3rd-test-eng-tour-of-aus-and-nz-2017-18
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My mistake, the taller two actually had a match figure of

59-4-252-2 ......
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]
 
MMHS said:
Very good observation, quite logical as well. But, here is a score card of a bowling attack of three fast bowlers 6'6", 6'-5" & 6'-2", backed by 5'-11" all-rounder .... and the tallest two had a match figure of (bowled only once in the game) 65-9-238-3 .... what went wrong there? And, that Test was at WACA, world's bounciest wicket ....

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...gland-3rd-test-eng-tour-of-aus-and-nz-2017-18
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He won't reply this like always beacuse there isn't anything he got to defend his height fetish here. Maybe all teams should make a rule no fast bowler under 6 feet should ever even dream to play cricket.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] mate bar your height fantasy and love for bits and pieces all rounders in tests you are quality poster so plz get over these or maybe you know some hidden facts better than all of us here who can't comprehend them.
 
MMHS said:
Very good observation, quite logical as well. But, here is a score card of a bowling attack of three fast bowlers 6'6", 6'-5" & 6'-2", backed by 5'-11" all-rounder .... and the tallest two had a match figure of (bowled only once in the game) 65-9-238-3 .... what went wrong there? And, that Test was at WACA, world's bounciest wicket ....

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...gland-3rd-test-eng-tour-of-aus-and-nz-2017-18
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I'd be pretty happy to take bets with junaids for how well - or badly - a sub 6' Neil.wagner will do when nzl visits australia. He keeps bouncing people out without being 7 ft tall and at 130kph. I don't understand why [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] keeps banging the drum that Gul, Ehasan adil, wahab riaz, rahat ali would have meant that pakistan would have had Australia reeling. During the 16 tour he kept saying irfan should be called back just for this your because height is important and like he keeps.saying for shadab he wanted mohammad nawaz in the team. Or keep overrating shadab and fahims contributions in saf.
 
rollingstoned said:
I'd be pretty happy to take bets with junaids for how well - or badly - a sub 6' Neil.wagner will do when nzl visits australia. He keeps bouncing people out without being 7 ft tall and at 130kph. I don't understand why [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] keeps banging the drum that Gul, Ehasan adil, wahab riaz, rahat ali would have meant that pakistan would have had Australia reeling. During the 16 tour he kept saying irfan should be called back just for this your because height is important and like he keeps.saying for shadab he wanted mohammad nawaz in the team. Or keep overrating shadab and fahims contributions in saf.
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Until and unless Pakistan bowlers learn to swing and seem the ball , they will keep struggling.
 
Junaids said:
There is a big philosophical question here.

We all accept the principle of playing different players in different conditions. I would always want a second and third spinner in Asia whom I wouldn’t pick in South Africa.

A guy like Amir has done well in his last fifteen Tests in England, Ireland and South Africa but is too short and too slow to be worth picking in the UAE.

Why force him to be available in conditions in which he can’t succeed?

I’d rather have Wasim Khan sit down with Amir and Yasir and offer Amir a contract involving Outside Asia Tests only and offer Yasir one for Inside Asia Tests only.

But stop all this National Duty nonsense. It’s like insisting that the Navy send its submarines to fight in the desert!
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Wait now height is needed even to bowl in the subcontinent ? I thought it was only australia and south africa. Your horses for courses suggestion is impractical. Teams won't wrap players in cotton wool on the off chance that they may prove useful for those conditions that they are supposed to be specialists. It doesn't work that way.
 
Zeshan547 said:
Dear is there any quick fix for this hopeless team in near short term future or we should get use to this humiliation?
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I think, a spirited team can punch well above their weight - here they are punching well below. Part of the the failure is Azhar - probably the most laid back character I have ever seen as Captain. Second issue is Misbah - retired just about 2 years back and was active till last home domestic season; half of the squad played with him. 3rd reason is WY - one of the most egoistic, individualistic character - not great for team bondage.

4th is of course this AUS Juggernaut tour - the skill gap is so much that players are shell shocked, lost confidence on themselves and actually are going through the motion to end the tour. Only Babar can counter Aussies at skill level - he is cool, calm & confident. If 3-4 players were there like him, this series would have been completely different. Aussies are like wolf - they found the PAK team soft, so they are just grinding them in every aspect as a group. These Aussies are so shallow that last year I didn't see them sladgeing Indians, because they knew for a slap they'll get back a kick on a$$. Imran literally silenced even that Ian Chappel's ugly Aussies, because he could bite back and Aussies knew that.

PAK has to reduce the fundamental skill gap first - everything will be in order there after. There are no quick solutions here - work hard at nets, live a pro sportsman's life, study the game for intellectual development and of course be passionate. And, obviously they'll need technical support (coaching staff) from professionals who know the task.
 
Lmao aussies going gaga over Warner wait for him to face boult southee Wagner and Ferguson he will forget broad
 
Imagine babar gets a 200 and yasir shah a century I’d rolling on the floor lmfaooo
 
Yasir shah has proven it’s not the pitch or bowlers it’s your own skill and temperament shah has everything to be a good test batsman he should quit bowling now and start concentrating on his batting we have almost 6 slots available for him
 
Zeshan547 said:
Babar is such a selfish player, it seems like yasir protecting him. He is the best in this team and country but he is more in mold of tendu than kohli sadly.
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He is doing the right thing actually - buying time. This is the best time to bat and if Aussies are to get all four wickets from one end, it'll take much longer. He shouldn't protect No. 8 & 9, but I am sure if he stays till end, he'll protect Abbas & Musa. Babar definitely has the batsman's fundamental instincts - value own wicket. If he gets out now, Aussies will clean the tail in 30 minutes.
 
I can guarantee it if smith hadn’t been caught for ball tampering he’d be claiming all these catches without a blink of an eye he looks upto his role model ponting it’s in their genes
 
Mean&Green said:
I can guarantee it if smith hadn’t been caught for ball tampering he’d be claiming all these catches without a blink of an eye he looks upto his role model ponting it’s in their genes
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He got his punishment and has learned a lesson unlike others.
 
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Mean&Green said:
I can guarantee it if smith hadn’t been caught for ball tampering he’d be claiming all these catches without a blink of an eye he looks upto his role model ponting it’s in their genes
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He doesn't want Pakistan to get beaten too heavily because if The Rahat gets recalled then it's lights out for every batsman in international cricket :rahat1

Smith is happy to lose the battle so he doesn't get nuked in the war :rahat
 
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