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Bangladesh (262 & 185/4) secure a historic Test win by 6 wickets against Pakistan (274 & 172) in the 2nd Test match to clean sweep the series 2-0

Abdullah regressing after a bright start to his career. I am fed up of Pakistan players starting well but getting found out and doing nothing to get over that. Us fans are to blame too for hyping them up too much. File Abdullah under Hasan Ali, Nasir Jamshed and Shaheen.

Iman Ul Haq will be back for the England series no doubt.
 
PakHammer said:
Abdullah regressing after a bright start to his career. I am fed up of Pakistan players starting well but getting found out and doing nothing to get over that. Us fans are to blame too for hyping them up too much. File Abdullah under Hasan Ali, Nasir Jamshed and Shaheen.

Iman Ul Haq will be back for the England series no doubt.
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had a horror of a series against Ban.... I think time for the next newbie trial... Throw Saud shakeel and Abdullah Shafique
Replace them with Hurraira and Kamran Ghulam...repeat and recycle, PCT pak comedy team..
 
FearlessRoar said:
Abdullah Shafique scored only 42 runs against Bangladesh in the 2-Test match series, with innings of 2 and 37 in the First Test and 0 and 3 in the Second Test. He is overhyped, and there's nothing special about his skills.
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This is a trend in PCT setup , comes new and raw shows good promise with bat or ball then once settled in the team gets laid back , found out , no motivation to fix or hone their skills and keeps failing until the next kick on their back
 
mominsaigol said:
Misbah might be worth a try as a red ball coach.

Provided he's only given red ball duty, Not whoteball or chef selector roles.

Gillespie hasn't done a damn nor has Kristen
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The team is rotten to hell, players in groups and one of the worst of times to be incharge of this side for Gillespie and Kirsten...
Kirsten explicitly said that he has coached many teams and never been to a side like this where they dont back each other and team full of groupings...

Soon Kirsten and Gillespie will kick out those dramabaaz and form a new team, just give them time and things will be back on track..

Though they lost the 1st match and with series on the line , Gillespie has the courage to send Shaheen home and drop Naseem too...

Sends the message they are not bigger than the game of cricket and the team... Shaheen definitely on the verge of a disciplinary ban, let the series finish im sure he will be dropped for England series will pay for his bad morale and attitude with his team mates..
 
Pakistan vs BD stats

Talk about outplaying in all departments. Pakistan is 10 points worse than Bangladesh in both departments. Unless something dramatic happens in this test this trend will continue

BATTING


Overall figures
TeamPlayersMatInnsNORunsHSAveDescendingBFSR1005004s6s
Bangladesh12224480819140.40152353.05252929investigate this query
Pakistan132335836171*29.85155453.792565811


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Overall figures
TeamPlayersMatInnsOversMdnsRunsWktsBBIBBMAveAscendingEconSR510
Bangladesh12217257.431846285/615/6130.213.2855.210investigate this query
Pakistan13215252.432818206/906/9040.903.2375.810
 
Let's leave the misbah as coach discussion for another thread.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
The team is rotten to hell, players in groups and one of the worst of times to be incharge of this side for Gillespie and Kirsten...
Kirsten explicitly said that he has coached many teams and never been to a side like this where they dont back each other and team full of groupings...

Soon Kirsten and Gillespie will kick out those dramabaaz and form a new team, just give them time and things will be back on track..

Though they lost the 1st match and with series on the line , Gillespie has the courage to send Shaheen home and drop Naseem too...

Sends the message they are not bigger than the game of cricket and the team... Shaheen definitely on the verge of a disciplinary ban, let the series finish im sure he will be dropped for England series will pay for his bad morale and attitude with his team mates..
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That's fair however the truth of the matter is that if Gillespie actually cared or had the power to care, we'd see changes already.

Firstly Gillespie himself was a part of classic atg Australia and has literally seen the likes of hayden, Gilchrist, Pointing etc etc.

Gillespie of all people should have known that someone like shan masood is neither talented enough as a batsmen nor is he a good captain.

Every captain before Shan had some sort of merit or reason to be appointed.

- Misbah: Was the most respected amoung the lot and was mainstay in the MO, the likes of YK and Afridi were either not willing or were unsuited foe the role, was also the top scorer for pak in icc tournaments.

- azhar ali: Was the best test player at the time excluding YK who was at the end of his career and was the most mature.

- Sarfraz: Was the mvp of the tournament for pakistan getting 2 Mom's, was also the most consistent performer of the Australia odi series and he had past captaincy credentials for under 19 2007 wc.

- Babar azam: At the time he was the most consiatent batter for pakistan and was the most famous at the time and in terms of fame he still kinda is.

- Shaheen: His LQ t20 captaincy credentials and impressive record

Shan has never done a damn unlike the ones before him. And his captaincy record for KK is awful and his county career isn't too spectacular either.

The first thing Gillespie should have done is boot Shan out and get saud in or someone brand new and coach them as a future prospect. Aka someone who has performances and can be groomed properly.

And secondly Gillespie decison for 4 pacers was a horrible decison for the first Test. He's abrar has not done well but that's because pakiatan's spin is rubbish. However the pitch was spinning on day 5. Gillespie should have read the pitch better.
 
mominsaigol said:
That's fair however the truth of the matter is that if Gillespie actually cared or had the power to care, we'd see changes already.

Firstly Gillespie himself was a part of classic atg Australia and has literally seen the likes of hayden, Gilchrist, Pointing etc etc.

Gillespie of all people should have known that someone like shan masood is neither talented enough as a batsmen nor is he a good captain.

Every captain before Shan had some sort of merit or reason to be appointed.

- Misbah: Was the most respected amoung the lot and was mainstay in the MO, the likes of YK and Afridi were either not willing or were unsuited foe the role, was also the top scorer for pak in icc tournaments.

- azhar ali: Was the best test player at the time excluding YK who was at the end of his career and was the most mature.

- Sarfraz: Was the mvp of the tournament for pakistan getting 2 Mom's, was also the most consistent performer of the Australia odi series and he had past captaincy credentials for under 19 2007 wc.

- Babar azam: At the time he was the most consiatent batter for pakistan and was the most famous at the time and in terms of fame he still kinda is.

- Shaheen: His LQ t20 captaincy credentials and impressive record

Shan has never done a damn unlike the ones before him. And his captaincy record for KK is awful and his county career isn't too spectacular either.

The first thing Gillespie should have done is boot Shan out and get saud in or someone brand new and coach them as a future prospect. Aka someone who has performances and can be groomed properly.

And secondly Gillespie decison for 4 pacers was a horrible decison for the first Test. He's abrar has not done well but that's because pakiatan's spin is rubbish. However the pitch was spinning on day 5. Gillespie should have read the pitch better.
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Coach cannot be held accountable for the team to such an extent. Captain is squarely responsible .
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Coach cannot be held accountable for the team to such an extent. Captain is squarely responsible .
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Yes but why can't the coach tell management that Shan suck? The management denying him is one thing, but him not even voicing a concern?

To top it off the his decison of choosing pacers in the 1st test was poor. Now would it have mattered? Hell no as abrar sucks, but at the very least I wouldn't be complaining.

Sucking hard is one thing but making the wrong decisions is another.

And believe me bro, you know how much I lobe Australia and it's players. If I'm telling you Gillespie got it wrong, then know that I mean it 100%, due to how biased I usually am towards the aussie team.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes but why can't the coach tell management that Shan suck? The management denying him is one thing, but him not even voicing a concern?

To top it off the his decison of choosing pacers in the 1st test was poor. Now would it have mattered? Hell no as abrar sucks, but at the very least I wouldn't be complaining.

Sucking hard is one thing but making the wrong decisions is another.

And believe me bro, you know how much I lobe Australia and it's players. If I'm telling you Gillespie got it wrong, then know that I mean it 100%, due to how biased I usually am towards the aussie team.
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I’m sure he has said something, us hearing about it is irrelevant, we aren’t in the camp. I agree he got it wrong with the bowling, when I heard him say Salman was a specialist spinner I almost burst out laughing.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes but why can't the coach tell management that Shan suck? The management denying him is one thing, but him not even voicing a concern?

To top it off the his decison of choosing pacers in the 1st test was poor. Now would it have mattered? Hell no as abrar sucks, but at the very least I wouldn't be complaining.

Sucking hard is one thing but making the wrong decisions is another.

And believe me bro, you know how much I lobe Australia and it's players. If I'm telling you Gillespie got it wrong, then know that I mean it 100%, due to how biased I usually am towards the aussie team.
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I don't believe an interventionist coach is in a team's interest.

Yes, Shan is mediocre. But that is upto the PCB and the selectors.

It is not for the coach to determine who is captain and who is not.

His only role imo should be to ensure that players have access to whatever they need to be the best versions of themselves and help them get there

The more hats a coach dons, the more counter productive it usually becomes.
 
Hi all. Ready to watch today's struggle. If Pakistan can survive the first hour, they've a very good chance to post a competitive total and win the game.
Good luck to all.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I don't believe an interventionist coach is in a team's interest.

Yes, Shan is mediocre. But that is upto the PCB and the selectors.

It is not for the coach to determine who is captain and who is not.

His only role imo should be to ensure that players have access to whatever they need to be the best versions of themselves and help them get there

The more hats a coach dons, the more counter productive it usually becomes.
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It is absolutely in the team’s best interest for a coach to provide feedback to the selection committee and management especially so when it comes to captaincy. He is the best suited to do so given how closely he works with every player. This bit wearing multiple hats, it’s a core part of their job to assess player performance. The coach needs to help whoever is captain but he Gillespie can’t help Shan get anywhere as he’s completely rubbish.
 
Even if there 50 over in next 2 days we will loose this match. We need complete revamp and get rid of troublemakers like Sheen, Babar & Rizwan (?) forever.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I don't believe an interventionist coach is in a team's interest.

Yes, Shan is mediocre. But that is upto the PCB and the selectors.

It is not for the coach to determine who is captain and who is not.

His only role imo should be to ensure that players have access to whatever they need to be the best versions of themselves and help them get there

The more hats a coach dons, the more counter productive it usually becomes.
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Yet misbah felt the need to Shove his bhoota into things.

Also mohsin Khan was the one who urged pcb to kick misbah out of t20 for good. And while he was succesful, he got shoved aside for Dav watmore who was a crapola yes man misbah coach from 2012 to 2014.

Mohsin Khan was also the first to complain about Misbah getting dual positions citing and predicting that it would be a disaster and that misbah is nothing more then a higher up yes man ans total chamcha of the pcb.

He was a gun coach, took pakistan to semi final of wc, won asia cup 2012, was the first to critise misbah being captain and cited his trash mohali botch. Infact it was because he was vocal he got axed, bit atleast got rid of this bafoon from t20 captaincy.

I'm suprised mohsin Khan has never been talked about here. Probs cause misbah random doesn't want someone to speak the truth.
 
google weather says chance of rain is 40% during the day, chance of rain is 85+% after 10PM. we might get a full day play here
 
offstump said:
I’m sure he has said something, us hearing about it is irrelevant, we aren’t in the camp. I agree he got it wrong with the bowling, when I heard him say Salman was a specialist spinner I almost burst out laughing.
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We are not in the camp, so I'm willing to take back what I said about shan. But he got it wrong with salman and got it wrong for choosing pacers only.

Granted it wouldn't matter. Abrar is useless so moot point.
 
We need at least 350 runs!!! Pitch is like road. Remember Musfiq will not fail twice and Khurram will not bail us all the time.
 
Shafi said:
We need at least 350 runs!!! Pitch is like road. Remember Musfiq will not fail twice and Khurram will not bail us all the time.
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Bro, I love your analysis and commentary. Always spot on
 
Litton Kumar observation is correct. Kookaburra once gets older will have nothing for bowlers on docile tracks.
 
mominsaigol said:
Bro, I love your analysis and commentary. Always spot on
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Thanks a lot!!!
I heard there is a big thing happening after the series as senior players will be sidelined including Rizwan because they still crying for Canada league and no more interested in test.
I just hope PCB will not select any of these players in any format if its true
 
Ahmed216 said:
It was very docile yesterday after first half an hour. BD chose to bowl for a reason it helped bowlers initially
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I'm glad pakistan is batting positively. And actually are caring for the rain. I was worried they'd go for another draw.

One thing I like about pakistan this series is that at the very least they've aimed for a result and I have to respect them for it.

Ik people are mocking for a declare in the first innings, but the declare was a right call. At the very least a result was achieved.

So kudos to pakistan. It's the only positive thing they've done this test series
 
Bangladesh should just bring a spinner in? Shan masood can't play spin? Who cares if the ball is new and the pitch is a road?

This dude is clueless regardless, it's one free wicket right their lol. Get 1 to 2 overs of spin and you'll have you 3rd lol
 
Dhakar Pola said:
Regardless of how the pitch is currently, we'll have to bat last and on 5th day. I see only Pak win if Pak bat full day today
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Relax bhai, Shan will depart. 50 is his max range, he's clueless againat spin.

Rizwam, Saud and Saim are the key as I pointed yesterday
 
Maybe if Shan can score a hundred and actually start being one of performers leading from the front, maybe he’d get more respect from the team and would have to try so hard in captaincy to make up for it.

I’d quite like to see how masood would captain and be received if he was an actual performing player. Then we can more accurately compare his captaincy to Babar.
 
Day 4 starts with some blazing strokes by both Shan and Saim. The clouds are roaming over the Pindi Stadium and they say that a 2 hour rain is expected in the afternoon. Exciting times ahead.
 
We need our wwe star
ads101 said:
Maybe if Shan can score a hundred and actually start being one of performers leading from the front, maybe he’d get more respect from the team and would have to try so hard in captaincy to make up for it.

I’d quite like to see how masood would captain and be received if he was an actual performing player. Then we can more accurately compare his captaincy to Babar.
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I prefer Masood as a captain, he speaks very well and is a good ambassador for Pakistan cricket.
 
The sun shines on the third day of the second test between Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Hasan Mehmood charges towards Babar Azam and bowls a half-volley slightly wide of the off-stump. Babar leaves it alone.

Hasan Mehmood then proceeds to replicate this delivery on five more occasions, in which Babar watches like a hawk but differs from this metaphorical hawk in the aspect that he is unable to move - likely by choice.

A choice driven by fear.

The over ends as a maiden.

A hawk, upon sighting prey, would immediately pounce, seize, and brutally devour it. Three years ago, Babar Azam would have done the same to such a ball. The commentary box would be filled with roars of awe, roars that we were spoiled with, that they were spoiled with.

“And off he goes, what a shot,”

“A beautiful cover drive from the best in the world.”

“Typical Babar Azam,”

Babar, once a swift hawk, has now strayed into a zone of fear, a zone of drought, and has chants of “zimbabar” playing in the back of his head. In addition, our people are doing nothing to stick his mental state back together.

We have destroyed Babar Azam, and now we will be the ones who’ll have our hearts split open after another over like the maiden Hasan bowled. Trust me, you’ll see a lot more of them.

- y33ny
 
Good field placement. That was so well hit but straight to the fielder. Saim trapped although he was batting well
 
Fustrating, but this has been Saims best international game so far. Actually looked good at point. Hope he builds from here, the man does have obvious talent.
 
ads101 said:
Maybe if Shan can score a hundred and actually start being one of performers leading from the front, maybe he’d get more respect from the team and would have to try so hard in captaincy to make up for it.

I’d quite like to see how masood would captain and be received if he was an actual performing player. Then we can more accurately compare his captaincy to Babar.
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He won't.

Now with saim gone.

Babar, Rizwan and saud have to pull their socks up and Agha as well.

Shan's cap on 50 and that's it
 
mominsaigol said:
He won't.

Now with saim gone.

Babar, Rizwan and saud have to pull their socks up and Agha as well.

Shan's cap on 50 and that's it
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They are ironically the same Saim and Masood. Play positively and then throw it away at 50. Yet Masood is 10 years older so it’s not excusable.

Hope Masood gets the ton today he’s played himself in now you never know.
 
This clearly shows low morale and a less challenging attitude

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FearlessRoar said:
This clearly shows low morale and a less challenging attitude

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Bangladesh have been the better team in this ongoing test series, not only with 3 primary skills but also their tactics & field setting.

Just see the last 2-3 balls bowled to Saim Ayub before he got out, and you can clearly see their planning.
 
ads101 said:
They are ironically the same Saim and Masood. Play positively and then throw it away at 50. Yet Masood is 10 years older so it’s not excusable.

Hope Masood gets the ton today he’s played himself in now you never know.
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Shan can't play spin, look at how he was playing mehidy?

Saim is different. He can play spin has good defense, doesn't have much technical flaws and is younger.
 
Rawalpindi Cricket Stadium without crowd is a proof of Pakistani fans heavily disappointed by Pakistan Cricket Team.

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Maybe one of babar or masood needs to drop down to 5. Need a batsman in form in your top 4, and I’d rather have saud coming in at 4 right now.
 
ads101 said:
Maybe one of babar or masood needs to drop down to 5. Need a batsman in form in your top 4, and I’d rather have saud coming in at 4 right now.
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Okay I wasnt correct about my prediction vs spin but I was right about masood which tbf is not a prediction.

I told you, Shan's ceiling is 50 max and today he didn't reach his ceiling
 
To get Shan out you have 2 options

A) Bowl pace

B) Bowl spin.

He can't play either. Can only attack below 140kph deliveries and even then struggles against 130-135. It needs to be waist high for him to play
 
BD are evolving. Each and every dismissal so far was planned. Shan has struggled against away going deliveries all through his career
 
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