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Bangladesh (565 & 30/0) secure a historic Test win by 10 wickets against Pakistan (448/6d & 146) in the 1st Test match and lead the 2-match series 1-0

Rana said:
So it took less than 24 hours to put Rizwan’s ‘world class innings’ into context with Bangladesh finding it so easy to bat on this against a much better bowling attack faced by Rizwan?
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I'm so so looking forward to the Australia vs Pakistan series in Nov.

Australia will be playing full strength in their home den.
 
Asad T said:
It would work if we had an express Mark Wood type of bowler because we could reply on that extra pace to take wickets. But we don't.

Maybe we just under-estimated Bangladesh, or over-estimated our bowling?
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I think Gillespie thinks we are still in the 90s when we had guys with real pace. These guys are medium pacers and lack any real skill bar what you would expect from anyone at that level. No doubt the wicket is flat but that's where reputations are built or destroyed.
 
Asad T said:
"Naseem Shah has asked to bowl short"
I like that ploy, but the issue is, is that the lad is only bowling 136kph
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I am fan of Naseem but this pace and skill is basic FC level. He either needs to get fit and bowl consistently in the 88mph mark or we look elsewhere
 
mominsaigol said:
Since when is 5'10 tall? That's just above avg height for a male worldwide? And for Developed countries like England its extremly short.

I'm taller then naseem lol?
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5' 10" may not be tall. But not short either. He looks shorter than that. His natural length is always shorter even when he bowls outswingers. He gets exaggerated movement due to that. So it fails to catch the edge more often than not. His lack of height will be a.limitation. He is probably at the same height as Agarkar. 5' 8" or there about.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
5' 10" may not be tall. But not short either. He looks shorter than that. His natural length is always shorter even when he bowls outswingers. He gets exaggerated movement due to that. So it fails to catch the edge more often than not. His lack of height will be a.limitation. He is probably at the same height as Agarkar. 5' 8" or there about.
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Height can be objectively measured.

Just because you think he is 5'8'' doesn't mean he is. I hope you are not insinuating people can't measure his height. LOL.
 
Trundlers, pathetic.
Like I said several times, this lot should not be playing TEST cricket. T20 leaugue players is what they are.
 
sweep_shot said:
Height can be objectively measured.

Just because you think he is 5'8'' doesn't mean he is. I hope you are not insinuating people can't measure his height. LOL.
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Just because you beleive whatever on the net is true every body has to do the same. Lot of A list Hollywood stars have fake height on net. Lol Naseem Shah can't do? Lol
 
Test cricket should be 4day. That way less time to waste, more to hurry, more quicker innings. In the current 5 days format they have to bat out like snail speed for long long periods. 113overs Pak first innings should’ve got 550 at least. 92overs for 5 wicket so far Bd inning, it should've been 400-420 minimum. 4 day test will make it happen as a lot more urgency will take place hence it gives both teams chances.
 
Mas-LFC said:
Test cricket should be 4day. That way less time to waste, more to hurry, more quicker innings. In the current 5 days format they have to bat out like snail speed for long long periods. 113overs Pak first innings should’ve got 550 at least. 92overs for 5 wicket so far Bd inning, it should've been 400-420 minimum. 4 day test will make it happen as a lot more urgency will take place hence it gives both teams chances.
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That’s what the PCB tried to do with the 4 innings format in FC with maximum 80 over innings
 
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PCB needs to dig these squares out at all TEST venues & get some good groundsmen to do the needful or STOP playing TEST matches ! ps : as posted earlier , not very smart playing all pace attack though Agha did a decent job as a part timer !
 
Mas-LFC said:
Test cricket should be 4day. That way less time to waste, more to hurry, more quicker innings. In the current 5 daformat they have to bat out like snail speed for long long periods. 113overs Pak first innings should’ve got 550 at least. 92overs for 5 wicket so far Bd inning, it should've been 400-420 minimum. 4 day test will make it happen as a lot more urgency will take place hence it gives both teams chances.
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It is easier to draw tests in 4 day game.

They won't have motivation to go for win. Very idea of introducing WTC to make each competitive and interesting. Only 4 or 5 teams go after win at any cost.
 
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Each team should be reviewed after each WTC cycle. If they don't have bare minimum points they should be relegated
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Each team should be reviewed after each WTC cycle. If they don't have bare minimum points they should be relegated
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Since you are not in charge of ICC, it is unlikely to happen.

What you are proposing may relegate Windies as they are at the bottom of the table. Do you want Windies to miss out?
 
Mas-LFC said:
Test cricket should be 4day. That way less time to waste, more to hurry, more quicker innings. In the current 5 days format they have to bat out like snail speed for long long periods. 113overs Pak first innings should’ve got 550 at least. 92overs for 5 wicket so far Bd inning, it should've been 400-420 minimum. 4 day test will make it happen as a lot more urgency will take place hence it gives both teams chances.
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550 in 113 overs rarely happens. Only teams like Australia and England can pull it off.

I think 5 days are fine. 4 days would be too short and may give us many draws.
 
Farabi said:
Jack Leach and O Robinson were the most effective in Pak, both of which did not feature in the India series. Think both were injured.
Also, Harry Brook was by far the best batter with the most runs from either side. He too didn’t feature in the series vs India.
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Perhaps but the the point about reverse swing holds.
 
I haven't been following very closely. Can someone update me real quick on a couple of things? What happened to the "green pitch" that we kept hearing about for which we selected 4 pacers? Is there any juice whatsoever? Is this match just a boring runfest?
 
Didn't they bring in an Australian curator in who is supposed to be really great at preparing pitches? What a farce. Pakistan is probably the only team in the world that can't prepare wickets to suit their own strengths.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Didn't they bring in an Australian curator in who is supposed to be really great at preparing pitches? What a farce. Pakistan is probably the only team in the world that can't prepare wickets to suit their own strengths.
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What are PAK strengths in Test cricket ?
 
Josh said:
Wicketkeeping with the best keeper in test
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Wicket keeping is the only real strength. He’s a good keeper even if there are debates over his batting. Even though perhaps good keeping is a standard for a lot of countries, it hasn’t been for Pakistan for decades.

Batting, spinners, fielding we are all below average in all formats. Fast bowling we are just average.

It’s very difficult to produce miracles/win tournaments so long as we are below average in nearly every discipline. We go in as underdogs every time, hence we have to get a bit of luck to win it as we aren’t favourites.

Before we used to have a strong pace attack. Then we had a strong spin attack with akmal, afridi, Hafeez, yasir shah, Rehman etc. Now we sadly just don’t have anything.
 
Bewal Express said:
I think Gillespie thinks we are still in the 90s when we had guys with real pace. These guys are medium pacers and lack any real skill bar what you would expect from anyone at that level. No doubt the wicket is flat but that's where reputations are built or destroyed.
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If you aren't a good bowler in flat conditions then you are basically not an elite bowler. Should consider just becoming a specialist for conditions then
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Didn't they bring in an Australian curator in who is supposed to be really great at preparing pitches? What a farce. Pakistan is probably the only team in the world that can't prepare wickets to suit their own strengths.
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Just make it seam friendly for God sake. Just want to see some pace and bounce.
 
kron said:
Just stick to pace. No point in turners.

Go all out pace. Make it extremely seamer friendly. Like SA does.
Problem is can the batsmen survive lol
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No lol. People were overhyping saud, Saim and Rizzu too much yesterday.

Fakhar Zaman is someone I love but one of the main reasons he's a walking wicket 90% of the time is because massive struggles against the early seam moving away from him. To his credit he's the best player of pace and spin when the reverse swing comes into play or the seam movement decreases after a while.

Saim has good defense but you could tell if it was an odi match he'd be cooked.

Saud massively struggles > Chest height, gun player or spin though.

Rizwan can't hit anything that angles away from him for the life of him and is 100x worse then fakhar at it.

Babar has one of the worst backfoot plays, even in his prime he would massively struggle early on.

Chacha and shadab (Haha)

Abdullah can't handle early seam that angles into him or can't drive if it pitches away from him.

People need to admit that Pakistan just can't handle pace like Australia, England or Hitman can. The same rubbish that stark was bowling to Hitman would be the same rubbish that would have bundled Pakistan out in wc 2024. And that's a pure fact sadly.
 
mominsaigol said:
No lol. People were overhyping saud, Saim and Rizzu too much yesterday.

Fakhar Zaman is someone I love but one of the main reasons he's a walking wicket 90% of the time is because massive struggles against the early seam moving away from him. To his credit he's the best player of pace and spin when the reverse swing comes into play or the seam movement decreases after a while.

Saim has good defense but you could tell if it was an odi match he'd be cooked.

Saud massively struggles > Chest height, gun player or spin though.

Rizwan can't hit anything that angles away from him for the life of him and is 100x worse then fakhar at it.

Babar has one of the worst backfoot plays, even in his prime he would massively struggle early on.

Chacha and shadab (Haha)

Abdullah can't handle early seam that angles into him or can't drive if it pitches away from him.

People need to admit that Pakistan just can't handle pace like Australia, England or Hitman can. The same rubbish that stark was bowling to Hitman would be the same rubbish that would have bundled Pakistan out in wc 2024. And that's a pure fact sadly.
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There was a video on fb where a local domestic bowler destroyed rizwan lmao. Did you see it?

Chest high balls. He got out 2 times in 6 balls. Kid was like 20 max
 
We need to be bloody careful tomorrow
Don't want to give these guys a sniff.
If it doesn't happen for us First session, we could bore our way into a hole!
 
Day 4 can be interesting.

If BD can reach 500-550, it can put a minor pressure on Pakistani batters.

If BD collapse, it can give Pakistan an opening.
 
Pakistan need to get them out in the first hour. Cannot be risking to let Bangladesh slip away and play till lunch.
 
kron said:
Just stick to pace. No point in turners.

Go all out pace. Make it extremely seamer friendly. Like SA does.
Problem is can the batsmen survive lol
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When you're playing against a team like Bangladesh you should back yourself on such wickets because you have a better pace attack and a better batting line-up.
 
100 run partnership between Mushfiqur and Litton. Pakistan needs wickets.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Pakistan need to get them out in the first hour. Cannot be risking to let Bangladesh slip away and play till lunch.
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There’s zero chance Pakistan is bowling them out in the first hour. Even lunch seems difficult at this point. The pitch has turned into a road, I can’t believe this nonsense, going in with an all out pace attack because they thought this was the Perth wicket with the fancy Australian curator. PCB is a joke.
 
Please tell me that’s not a visible tire belly on Mohammad Ali and it’s just his undershirt?
 
How on earth this useless and troublemaker like Shaheen keep getting selected?
 
Now I fully understand why Pakistan is so medicore.

Yes Misbah's 1990 era coaching stint which is still applicable in Babar, Rizwan amd chacha today has set Pakistan decades back

But it's these garbage pitches? Pakistan should abandon ship and go back to the UAE.

Alot of good cricketers emerged for pakistan back when PSL and cricket was played in UAE dueing the 2016 time period.
 
Best thing we can expect is draw. Not every innings Saud and Rizwan will bail us. Saim is not a consistent batsman and Babar can never perform under pressure. Most likely we will get under 200 in 2nd innings. Even if Bangladesh takes 30+ runs lead they should win this match. Both Mehedi Shakib will eat our batsmen alive
 
mominsaigol said:
Now I fully understand why Pakistan is so medicore.

Yes Misbah's 1990 era coaching stint which is still applicable in Babar, Rizwan amd chacha today has set Pakistan decades back

But it's these garbage pitches? Pakistan should abandon ship and go back to the UAE.

Alot of good cricketers emerged for pakistan back when PSL and cricket was played in UAE dueing the 2016 time period.
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Fully agree except Rizwan. He is the best batter and we need to get rid of dead woods like babar and Shaheen. Also we can only afford maximum 2 from Shan/Saim/Shafiq lot.
 
Starc and Cummins were able to utilize reverse swing against Pakistani batsmen on these roads.

Pakistani bowlers lack strength, skills and patience for test cricket
 
Shafi said:
Fully agree except Rizwan. He is the best batter and we need to get rid of dead woods like babar and Shaheen. Also we can only afford maximum 2 from Shan/Saim/Shafiq lot.
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The thing is Pakistan was ranked no 1 in t20.

When Misbah came in and established rizzu + Babar opening partnership and chacha as a finisher it set us back 10 fold.

How you view rizwan is irrelevant because at the end of the day he is outdated. He is an international opener in t20 who's international counterparts are the likes of Phil Salt, Butler, Travis head, Warner, QDK etc.

Amd it's these crapola pitches + Outdated Misbah logic thinking tactics that have set us far back. Rizwam and babar don't even try to improve sr, Just look at their twitter or their instagram responses any time they are asked to do so.
 
Misbah talk is not for this thread. No derailment please. Talk about this game only.
 
Can Pakistan get Bangladesh in first session? Bangladesh has now played almost 4 sessions and I think you'll need at least 3 session to get them out in second innings
 
sweep_shot said:
Day 4 can be interesting.

If BD can reach 500-550, it can put a minor pressure on Pakistani batters.

If BD collapse, it can give Pakistan an opening.
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Agree. If Bangladesh score many runs in their first innings, Pakistan will be under pressure of a big first innings deficit. Unless they too score many number of runs in their second innings, which will then mean that this test match will end in a draw as there's not much time left in this Test match for Pakistan bowlers to bowl good balls and bowl out Bangladesh in the 4th innings.

But if Bangladesh collapses here, Pakistan will have more time to set up a big total..unless Bangladesh bowlers bowl good balls and pick up 10 Pakistani wickets before they post a big total. Then Bangladesh will have a chance to chase down that total because it will most likely be low.

Very interesting indeed.
 
Pakistan need to get them out before 400 is scored. This is heading towards a draw now.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Pakistan need to get them out before 400 is scored. This is heading towards a draw now.
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Need a worldie spell from someone. I would also consider blowing Saim from one end. He was getting turn and one of his mystery deliveries may pass through the gate
 
Bangladesh is really going for draw. They have no intention to pull out a win here.
 
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