BJP behind Pulwama attack?

[Stewie]

I am hearing theories that BJP orchestrated the attack to get sympathy votes just before the elections! Modi looked like he was done and Congress seemed to have a chance to win the elections or at least make a better showing in the upcoming elections. This incident is going to shift the dynamics and Modi willmost likely be back.

How plausible is it for the Indian PPers?

 

[KingKhanWC]

A Indian poster [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] has given some interesting thoughts on this. Perhaps he can expand on this thread?

It does have some classic hallmarks of a false flag. There was a warning given a few days before regarding an attack impending attack by the organisation against those trooops. Usually intelligence agencies pick this up(as not all are involved) and pass on to the relevant authorities. The second is the weapon used a huge vehicle bomb. So much explosive material will be near impossible to cross the border esp into Kashmir. The troops also stopped moving and the vehicle wasnt stopped a good distance away. Motive is obviously elections.

 

[GBK_Fan]

I am hearing theories that BJP orchestrated the attack to get sympathy votes just before the elections! Modi looked like he was done and Congress seemed to have a chance to win the elections or at least make a better showing in the upcoming elections. This incident is going to shift the dynamics and Modi willmost likely be back.

How plausible is it for the Indian PPers?

Not possible for any Indian political party to be involved in an operation of this scale against the army. Conspiracy theorists were even blaming the Congress. Better to ignore nutcases from all parties

 

[gazza619]

Sick if true..

We all love a conspiracy theory dont we..

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Unless people are willing to entertain in equal measure the idea of their own government doing this when the atrocity happens on their soil I struggle to take these opinions particularly seriously.

 

[rhony]

COuld it be Army itself so they get more funding and leeway? COuld it be an opposition party to make this seem like Modi did it? That would be straight out of bollywood. Could it be Modi's party to unite everyone under one platform? Could it be ISI to cut Imran's friendly gestures towards India once for all? Who knows?

It could just be a brainwashed dumb psychopath with religious delusions that did it. I'd like to go with that.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Unless people are willing to entertain in equal measure the idea of their own government doing this when the atrocity happens on their soil I struggle to take these opinions particularly seriously.

If you dont agree fine but please dont rubbish any views and suggest this cannot happen by a government towards its own people. It has happened in history many times.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

If you dont agree fine but please dont rubbish any views and suggest this cannot happen by a government towards its own people. It has happened in history many times.

Thats not what I'm saying. It has happened and will happen.

My point is that its always a convenient go to for the nationalistic drum beating types to pretend their side is squeaky clean even when reality is staring them in the face. My point was that unless the people who accuse India of this are also willing to engage and analyse whether Pakistan has done so, their opinion isnt based on genuine feeling, just point scoring and some weird form of moral supremacy.

 

[Sachin136]

I am hearing theories that BJP orchestrated the attack to get sympathy votes just before the elections! Modi looked like he was done and Congress seemed to have a chance to win the elections or at least make a better showing in the upcoming elections. This incident is going to shift the dynamics and Modi willmost likely be back.

How plausible is it for the Indian PPers?

This incident is bad for the BJP. Just one more attack that has happened under their administration.

 

[Pakistanian]

Most of the soldiers killed were Sikh, some say it was a conspiracy to halt the Karatpur corridor that would have been huge economic and cultural success for Punjab.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Thats not what I'm saying. It has happened and will happen.

My point is that its always a convenient go to for the nationalistic drum beating types to pretend their side is squeaky clean even when reality is staring them in the face. My point was that unless the people who accuse India of this are also willing to engage and analyse whether Pakistan has done so, their opinion isnt based on genuine feeling, just point scoring and some weird form of moral supremacy.

The first time I read such view on this incident was from an Indian not a Pakistanis. Many Indians seem to have this view. When incidents happen in Pakistan there is also no harm in looking at the details and keeping an open mind but we are discussing this case and a few things which I mentioned dont seem right with little explanation.

 

[JaDed]

BJP should lose elections jus coz it happened under them, utter failure of a GoV if they couldn't even get Army better equipments, plus Army wouldn't allow killing their own people,
also how did BJP orchestrate it when it was a Kashmiri local so wait Pak posters wanna say India is responsible for radicalization of their youth and that central government provided him materials for the same?

 

[slipcatch]

Don’t think so.

Young Kashmiri are doing this after being controlled all their life.

Another reason is rise in radicalized extremists Hinduism who wants to make India Hindu again.

 

[Romali_rotti]

A Indian poster [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] has given some interesting thoughts on this. Perhaps he can expand on this thread?

It does have some classic hallmarks of a false flag. There was a warning given a few days before regarding an attack impending attack by the organisation against those trooops. Usually intelligence agencies pick this up(as not all are involved) and pass on to the relevant authorities. The second is the weapon used a huge vehicle bomb. So much explosive material will be near impossible to cross the border esp into Kashmir. The troops also stopped moving and the vehicle wasnt stopped a good distance away. Motive is obviously elections.

For me as I previously stated, it's the timing of this incident. Elections are near, Congress was starting to pick up a little bit of momentum, would this have been enough to win the election for Congress ? probably not, however BJP might have felt that Congress were a threat and had to do something to take the attention away from Congress and bring it back to Modi. Obviously I don't have any proof, I am assuming, it could also have a Pakistani connection to it, again I have no proof. However I am 50-50 on this, it all seems possibly orchestrated to me due to election being around the corner. When it comes to politics there is no right or wrong, there is the have's and have not's and it would not surprise me that politicians especially from the sub continent will do whatever means necessary to stay in power. Like my favourite actor Mohanlal once quoted in a movie; Hands that grab sweets from a jar full of them will not adapt to going inside an empty jar..

 

[KingKhanWC]

BJP should lose elections jus coz it happened under them, utter failure of a GoV if they couldn't even get Army better equipments, plus Army wouldn't allow killing their own people,
also how did BJP orchestrate it when it was a Kashmiri local so wait Pak posters wanna say India is responsible for radicalization of their youth and that central government provided him materials for the same?

This is not how false flags work. If a person is helped to carry out an attack, those helping him will come under disguise as people with the same aim and goals. They can ask him to make a video and give him the tools to carry out the attack and then use it for their own goals.

The video surfaced on an Indian news channel, so the tape was given to them first and foremost. India needs to find out how this video was given to them and make sure they confirm this by tracing it.

 

[Bewal Express]

There is no doubt that the BJP has and will continue to benefit but as extreme as they are, I can't imagine they would go as far as to kill their own troops. So far the most plausible explanation is the one that came out quite early on, an angry Kashmiri looking for revenge after being shot, uses locally stolen explosives to kill the soldiers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

For me as I previously stated, it's the timing of this incident. Elections are near, Congress was starting to pick up a little bit of momentum, would this have been enough to win the election for Congress ? probably not, however BJP might have felt that Congress were a threat and had to do something to take the attention away from Congress and bring it back to Modi. Obviously I don't have any proof, I am assuming, it could also have a Pakistani connection to it, again I have no proof. However I am 50-50 on this, it all seems possibly orchestrated to me due to election being around the corner. When it comes to politics there is no right or wrong, there is the have's and have not's and it would not surprise me that politicians especially from the sub continent will do whatever means necessary to stay in power. Like my favourite actor Mohanlal once quoted in a movie; Hands that grab sweets from a jar full of them will not adapt to going inside an empty jar..

Has Congress approval ratings increased since this attack and BJP fallen? How will the BJP use this to strengthen their hold on power? Surely they must react in some type of physical way, mabye start a serious conflict on the LOC? What would it take for the Indian people to say, Modi and the BJP did the right thing after this attack and we now support them?

 

[JaDed]

This is not how false flags work. If a person is helped to carry out an attack, those helping him will come under disguise as people with the same aim and goals. They can ask him to make a video and give him the tools to carry out the attack and then use it for their own goals.

The video surfaced on an Indian news channel, so the tape was given to them first and foremost. India needs to find out how this video was given to them and make sure they confirm this by tracing it.

You watch the too many movies.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You watch the too many movies.

It's called reading history, learning from past events, researching of intelligence agency tactics and trying to keep an open mind. You can watch Bollywood on my behalf but if you want to learn the Gulf of Tonkin incident is a good start.

 

[a_tahir]

You watch the too many movies.

Some Movies are based on history.

 

[cric_man]

You watch the too many movies.

Look up Reishtag Fire, Gulf of Tonkin, and Samjhota express bombing....

 

[Stewie]

People claiming this will hurt BJP are underestimsting or ignoring the extremist hindu element which getting stronger every day.. this will stoke the religious tensions in the country and thats the platformBJP runs on.. so i dont see how this will hurt them.. they will be the sole beneficiaries of this incident.

 

[waleed88]

Thats not what I'm saying. It has happened and will happen.

My point is that its always a convenient go to for the nationalistic drum beating types to pretend their side is squeaky clean even when reality is staring them in the face. My point was that unless the people who accuse India of this are also willing to engage and analyse whether Pakistan has done so, their opinion isnt based on genuine feeling, just point scoring and some weird form of moral supremacy.

I am actually tired of this 'doing it to your own self' conspiracy theory that comes up everytime a terrorist attack happens. 9/11 was an inside job kind of people really annoy me the most.

Our people can not and must not turn a blind eye to the fact that 'Jaish e Mohammad' is a Pakistan based terrorist organization. They claimed responsibility, and whoever else carried out the terrorist attack it does not absolve Pakistan of this one simple fact. How can we let organizations operate from within our borders like this?

I request posters to be objective and do accept that we have a problem that needs addressing.

 

[waleed88]

Unless people are willing to entertain in equal measure the idea of their own government doing this when the atrocity happens on their soil I struggle to take these opinions particularly seriously.

You would be surprised the members of the current ruling party and to what extents they went to to claim Nawaz's party was behind the Army public school attacks... and it was done to foil their political rallies.

 

[Pak Warrior]

Hard to say if BJP actually did this, but they definitely could have allowed it after receiving intel that an attack was imminent. Kind of like 9/11 as some say. We may never know, but it does seem very odd in timing to a number of key things.

The general elections, Pak's progress with foreign investment, The corridor.

 

[slipcatch]

You would be surprised the members of the current ruling party and to what extents they went to to claim Nawaz's party was behind the Army public school attacks... and it was done to foil their political rallies.

I am actually tired of this 'doing it to your own self' conspiracy theory that comes up everytime a terrorist attack happens. 9/11 was an inside job kind of people really annoy me the most.

Our people can not and must not turn a blind eye to the fact that 'Jaish e Mohammad' is a Pakistan based terrorist organization. They claimed responsibility, and whoever else carried out the terrorist attack it does not absolve Pakistan of this one simple fact. How can we let organizations operate from within our borders like this?

I request posters to be objective and do accept that we have a problem that needs addressing.

He want people to be objective after making dumbest accusation against current “government” of Pakistan.

 

[Stewie]

I am actually tired of this 'doing it to your own self' conspiracy theory that comes up everytime a terrorist attack happens. 9/11 was an inside job kind of people really annoy me the most.

Our people can not and must not turn a blind eye to the fact that 'Jaish e Mohammad' is a Pakistan based terrorist organization. They claimed responsibility, and whoever else carried out the terrorist attack it does not absolve Pakistan of this one simple fact. How can we let organizations operate from within our borders like this?

I request posters to be objective and do accept that we have a problem that needs addressing.

These organizations are not nation centric.. or controlled by nations.. if you believe that you are really naive..

They are basically mercenaries.. most people at the top of isis, al qaeda, taliban, etc, etc are usually leaders who are politicians looking for power grab or a quick buck. They are not chasing after ideological wars as the media would have you believe it. TTP has been known to be supported by India. And they bomb fellow Muslims.. that alone should tell you its not for a cause.. the lowest of their ranks are usually the ones brainwashed into conducting such attacks.. but the guy at the top giving the order is always.. i repeat... always for sale!

 

[waleed88]

He want people to be objective after making dumbest accusation against current “government” of Pakistan.

I have seen PTI's very own members of parliament making statements that why when we are about to gain any strong political momentuma against Nawaz do terrorist attacks happen.

Some of our members even went on to say Nawaz sharif was behind the APS... you can have a look at twitter and find yourself

 

[waleed88]

These organizations are not nation centric.. or controlled by nations.. if you believe that you are really naive..

They are basically mercenaries.. most people at the top of isis, al qaeda, taliban, etc, etc are usually leaders who are politicians looking for power grab or a quick buck. They are not chasing after ideological wars as the media would have you believe it. TTP has been known to be supported by India. And they bomb fellow Muslims.. that alone should tell you its not for a cause.. the lowest of their ranks are usually the ones brainwashed into conducting such attacks.. but the guy at the top giving the order is always.. i repeat... always for sale!

Quick pro justification for all the issues without addressing the main concern, why is this Jihadi mindset so proliferated out of control that it is not even in the control of those who made them?

 

[waleed88]

These organizations are not nation centric.. or controlled by nations.. if you believe that you are really naive..

They are basically mercenaries.. most people at the top of isis, al qaeda, taliban, etc, etc are usually leaders who are politicians looking for power grab or a quick buck. They are not chasing after ideological wars as the media would have you believe it. TTP has been known to be supported by India. And they bomb fellow Muslims.. that alone should tell you its not for a cause.. the lowest of their ranks are usually the ones brainwashed into conducting such attacks.. but the guy at the top giving the order is always.. i repeat... always for sale!

These organizations were 'assets' as claimed by our very own ex- COAS/ President for 7 years Retired general Pervez Musharraf.... The statements can be found on multiple interviews he has given to our news channels go have a look

 

[Syed1]

One thing I didn't understand India claimed in 2017 to have captured a "terrorist" with the exact same name. Either they were lying then or lying now.

 

[slipcatch]

You would be surprised the members of the current ruling party and to what extents they went to to claim Nawaz's party was behind the Army public school attacks... and it was done to foil their political rallies.

I am actually tired of this 'doing it to your own self' conspiracy theory that comes up everytime a terrorist attack happens. 9/11 was an inside job kind of people really annoy me the most.

Our people can not and must not turn a blind eye to the fact that 'Jaish e Mohammad' is a Pakistan based terrorist organization. They claimed responsibility, and whoever else carried out the terrorist attack it does not absolve Pakistan of this one simple fact. How can we let organizations operate from within our borders like this?

I request posters to be objective and do accept that we have a problem that needs addressing.

I have seen PTI's very own members of parliament making statements that why when we are about to gain any strong political momentuma against Nawaz do terrorist attacks happen.

Some of our members even went on to say Nawaz sharif was behind the APS... you can have a look at twitter and find yourself

No!

News flash for you.

Nawas Sharif and none of his family members will never be again PM of Pakistan.

 

[Finisher]

Not sure if this is a spoof
Using Photoshop like amateurs

 

[Stewie]

Quick pro justification for all the issues without addressing the main concern, why is this Jihadi mindset so proliferated out of control that it is not even in the control of those who made them?

You are probably too young to understand the hisiry of the region. It all started with the soviet invasion of afghanistan. The americans realized the potential of the jihadi sentiment prevalent here and weaponized it to fight the soviets.. they provided the money and arms and recruited jihadis from all over muslim world to come and fight against the kafir invader..

Once the soviets lost, the americans pulled out.. but now you have these tons of jihadis who have done nothing all their lives but fight jihadi wars.. so when the money stopped coming from the americans, they started lookin for other sources of income.. the lower ranks lookked for other wars.. all these outfits were basically birthed from here.. they would work for the highest bidder.. whether its pakistan, india, america
Etc or even some sub political faction of these countries..

You cannot seriously believe they are all fighting an honest ideological war as the media portrays.. its all smoke and mirrors.. its a means to an end.. this is the era of governments using dirty tactics. Americans introduced this method.. now almost everyone does it..

 

[Pak Warrior]

One thing I didn't understand India claimed in 2017 to have captured a "terrorist" with the exact same name. Either they were lying then or lying now.

Haha I am patiently waiting to see India face get blacked in International Court about the undercover indian agent/terrorist that was caught few years ago and was doing attacks in Pakistan. Hindu Hypocrites

 

[waleed88]

You are probably too young to understand the hisiry of the region. It all started with the soviet invasion of afghanistan. The americans realized the potential of the jihadi sentiment prevalent here and weaponized it to fight the soviets.. they provided the money and arms and recruited jihadis from all over muslim world to come and fight against the kafir invader..

Once the soviets lost, the americans pulled out.. but now you have these tons of jihadis who have done nothing all their lives but fight jihadi wars.. so when the money stopped coming from the americans, they started lookin for other sources of income.. the lower ranks lookked for other wars.. all these outfits were basically birthed from here.. they would work for the highest bidder.. whether its pakistan, india, america
Etc or even some sub political faction of these countries..

You cannot seriously believe they are all fighting an honest ideological war as the media portrays.. its all smoke and mirrors.. its a means to an end.. this is the era of governments using dirty tactics. Americans introduced this method.. now almost everyone does it..

You seem to have read one too many novels.

And you are sounding to me like a Taliban apologist.

Maybe you need to get some of the out of our brains maybe then you will be able to see things clearly.

You seem to be a guy living in the 1990s and if you talked like that in the 90s I would understand that but apparently 1990 was 30 years ago.

The same Pervez Musharraf that calls Haqqani and Hafiz Saeed heroes was the one that started the war against terrorism, and even that was now almost 20 years ago.

So news flash if in 2020 you are talking as if Pakistan cannot be blamed for cleaning its own house, then I suggest you go have a look at the time that has passed and the time and resources we have spent in cleaning our own house.

Blaming India and soviet union for everything will not absolve us of our own wrong doing, not trying and arresting Hafiz Saeed and his Lashkar e Taiba which are Internationally banned outfits or some of the other organization heads is our own culpability. Surely age or naievity has nothing to do with these simple facts.

Step 1 for you would be to stop watching ARY or listening to past generals give TV interviews and maybe first realize where Pakistan stands currently in the geo political landscape... we are a nation that sells its clients its strategic location and armed personnel for hire to the highesst bidder... right now its the saudis and as long as we stop becoming an army for hire our country and PM will keep going with a begging bowl to different countries to fill up our coffers or driving the state guests around in a mercedes.

Have a good day

 

[Stewie]

Lol.. seems like you did not read a word i wrote.. if you want to believe i am an apologist, it just shows your comprehension skills and nothing else.

 

[waleed88]

I am saying the same thing.. the jihadis are now killing anyone they get paid to kill.. they are up for the highest bid.. so you cant simply state they are always working for pakistan or this and that.

Essentially you and i are saying the same thing.. but my key point here is: you always look at who is benefitting from a turn of events!

Modi was on the brink of losing his seat.. now he will win because they will be using this to spread propaganda, conduct a few balweys, and reinststing the hindu vote.

So the theory, this was an inside job is quite strong whether you like it or not!

So Modi contacted a terrorist organization based in Pakistan to carry out attacks against his own soldiers so that he can benefit politically in the elections...

Waaah!!! Is say ziada fuzool baat mainay nahi sunni....

Cui bono? (/kwiː ˈboʊnoʊ/), literally "to whom is it a benefit?", is a Latin phrase about identifying crime suspects. It expresses the view that crimes are oftentimes committed to benefit their perpetrators, especially financially.

It is the first line of investigation, to see the beneficiary in all of this.... but you have to see circumstances , and this only seems outrageous to suggest a PM do that to his own soldiers

 

[Stewie]

So Modi contacted a terrorist organization based in Pakistan to carry out attacks against his own soldiers so that he can benefit politically in the elections...

Waaah!!! Is say ziada fuzool baat mainay nahi sunni....

Cui bono? (/kwiː ˈboʊnoʊ/), literally "to whom is it a benefit?", is a Latin phrase about identifying crime suspects. It expresses the view that crimes are oftentimes committed to benefit their perpetrators, especially financially.

It is the first line of investigation, to see the beneficiary in all of this.... but you have to see circumstances , and this only seems outrageous to suggest a PM do that to his own soldiers

Jaish is not based in pakistan only.. they are a kashmir outfit.. and if you feel politicians are beyond such hathkandey, you are really naive..

 

[Romali_rotti]

Has Congress approval ratings increased since this attack and BJP fallen? How will the BJP use this to strengthen their hold on power? Surely they must react in some type of physical way, mabye start a serious conflict on the LOC? What would it take for the Indian people to say, Modi and the BJP did the right thing after this attack and we now support them?

Speaking with fam back in India, they are of the opinion Congress popularity was definitely rising. Obviously something like this incident will definitely hurt their momentum, as people are all focused on terror now, so whatever Congress was talking about previously in rallies, TVs or whatever else which was getting people's attention will no longer be on their minds as TV, newspapers and whatever else are only now discussing terror and naturally the Indian PM is now hogging the limelight being the man incharge. I dont know what BJP needs to do, to drive home the current advantage they have, maybe getting Ahzar and Jaish Mohammed as a banned terrorist organisation with more help from the US.... However next few months will be very interesting to watch...

 

[pillionrider]

I've been referring to this as Godhra v2.0 to friends. Some of them naively and almost tragically reply, why would BJP allow the killing of Hindus?

 

[PakLFC]

Pak has nothing to gain from these attacks at all in IoK. It is Modi and BJP who gain everything like winning the coming elections through sympathy, negatively effecting Pak influence in Afghanistan where Indian meddling has been greatly curtailed by Pak, halting the improving Pak diplomacy around the world and even stopping the Kartarpur corridor from functioning. The question is always who benefits from such attacks. As Pak people always say Indian elections are fought on Pak hatred as will be the case again. With thousands of soldiers if we can call them that in IoK not even a bird should be able to fly over yet we see freedom fighters are gaining weapons so very easily. Pak has only recently found some peace then why would we encourage another war?. Yes it was an inside job by Hindutva no doubt about it.

 

[pillionrider]

This isn't a new theory btw. People who used to agree with Modi/BJP also have said this before. Recall Raj Thackeray predicting over a year back that the government will come up with something before the elections.

This is what he said a few months back

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ts-on-ram-mandir-issue/videoshow/66937974.cms

 

[cricketjoshila]

Jaish is not based in pakistan only.. they are a kashmir outfit.. and if you feel politicians are beyond such hathkandey, you are really naive..

Jaish is founded by Masood Azhar. Its based in Bahwalpur Punjab Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I've been referring to this as Godhra v2.0 to friends. Some of them naively and almost tragically reply, why would BJP allow the killing of Hindus?

Do you know the court verdict for Godhra?

 

[cricketjoshila]

This isn't a new theory btw. People who used to agree with Modi/BJP also have said this before. Recall Raj Thackeray predicting over a year back that the government will come up with something before the elections.

This is what he said a few months back

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ts-on-ram-mandir-issue/videoshow/66937974.cms

Nice try. Raj Thackrey talks about Ram Mandir issue. Not "something" as you said.

 

[pillionrider]

Do you know the court verdict for Godhra?

I know my verdict.

Nice try. Raj Thackrey talks about Ram Mandir issue. Not "something" as you said.

So stirring up Ram issue is ok:

 

[Stewie]

Ram mandir or not, i think there were suspicions earlier on and i am glad i aint the inly one whi thinks this is fishy.

Only time will tell if this backfires on Modi or not, if indeed he is complicit!

 

[cricketjoshila]

I know my verdict.


So stirring up Ram issue is ok:

Your verdict based on what? Your bias? The court convicted those who were involved in the incident. If you have evidence to the contrary go to the courts.



Ram Mandir is an issue. Its pending for decades.

 

[PakLFC]

Jaish is founded by Masood Azhar. Its based in Bahwalpur Punjab Pakistan.

You see Jaish everywhere! There is no such thing in Pak anywhere.

 

[pillionrider]

Your verdict based on what? Your bias?

Yes. My bias against Mr Modi and his cronies within the party.

Ram Mandir is an issue. Its pending for decades.

Look man, lemme clear one thing up. Ram is honestly irrelevant as a cultural or religious icon where I'm from. However, my personal opinion is that a temple must be constructed at Ayodhya keeping broader sentiments in mind. I don't think most Muslims would have a problem with this if they could be assured that other mosques around the country aren't gonna be raked up if this is conceded.

What is ridiculous though is assuming that the BJP under Modi are guardians of Hinduism and that they only look out for Hindu interests. They only look out for their interests.

 

[Madplayer]

BJP should lose elections jus coz it happened under them, utter failure of a GoV if they couldn't even get Army better equipments, plus Army wouldn't allow killing their own people,
also how did BJP orchestrate it when it was a Kashmiri local so wait Pak posters wanna say India is responsible for radicalization of their youth and that central government provided him materials for the same?

War is deception. Some people have done analysis of the video claiming the attack and they are saying the video is dubbed and the voice is of a narrator rather than of the person in the video.

Second point of view is that you dont need to orchestrate an attack. You just need to sit back and allow an attack to take place rather than halting it. This means high ranked army officials would be in on it with the ruling party. Also acknowledge the fact that many armymen are open supporters of bjp and many high ranked generals have time and again praised BJP for its nationalistic policy. On feb 8 JK police had given an intel to army about a potential attack on its convoy. If this doesnt make you raise your eyebrows, i dont know what will.

Ofcourse you cannot be sure about anything. Thats understandable. But if you decide to not doubt anything, this will mean that you will have to surrender your brain and accept what your govt. tells you.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You see Jaish everywhere! There is no such thing in Pak anywhere.

So the UN is lying?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes. My bias against Mr Modi and his cronies within the party.


Look man, lemme clear one thing up. Ram is honestly irrelevant as a cultural or religious icon where I'm from. However, my personal opinion is that a temple must be constructed at Ayodhya keeping broader sentiments in mind. I don't think most Muslims would have a problem with this if they could be assured that other mosques around the country aren't gonna be raked up if this is conceded.

What is ridiculous though is assuming that the BJP under Modi are guardians of Hinduism and that they only look out for Hindu interests. They only look out for their interests.

So basically you have nothing to suggest Godhra verdict was wrong except your own bias. Is it ok that you let your own bias cloud your judgement so much that it goes againist the national interest. Is hate for Modi so blinding that you are ready to weave consipracy theories on terror attacks? All this helps the perpetrators of the attacks.

Regarding Ram Mandir, it will be built one way or the other. By a court judgement or a parlimentary law.



BJP doesnt really looks after hindu interests but it doesnot harm it either. Nor does it do minority appeasement. Thats enough for most hindus to vote for them.

 

[Pakistanian]

Thats not what I'm saying. It has happened and will happen.

My point is that its always a convenient go to for the nationalistic drum beating types to pretend their side is squeaky clean even when reality is staring them in the face. My point was that unless the people who accuse India of this are also willing to engage and analyse whether Pakistan has done so, their opinion isnt based on genuine feeling, just point scoring and some weird form of moral supremacy.

Would you like to analyze if European govts have done the same? The white man has always claimed same weird form of moral supremacy over brown people for centuries lol.

 

[pillionrider]

So basically you have nothing to suggest Godhra verdict was wrong except your own bias.

I accept my own bias but please don't live in lala land about all the inconsistencies regarding the incident, the coverup claims, and Modi's personal enmities that were all highlighted extensively at the time and in the years that followed.

BJP doesnt really looks after hindu interests but it doesnot harm it either. Nor does it do minority appeasement. Thats enough for most hindus to vote for them.

It does harm Hindu interests by changing the way people go about their lives. They are fundamentally changing the way a Hindu who should have Vedic philosophies as his foundation, lives his life.

At not appeasing. One of the major reasons, Hindus voted the BJP in, was the appeasement rubbish that had been going on. Guess you didn't see Modiji's performance in Bengaluru during the state elections where a Muslim girl whose education he had funded was hustled onto the dais. No one else, no Hindu, no nobody was brought in as an example after her. And what about the Kashmiri Pandits. What happened to them?

Think Modi when he finally returned from his international padayatras finally realized that time had run out to build the Ram Mandir and asked his ******* who once got stuck in a lift, "So, what are our options."

Yes, that is my biased view. But biases are not necessarily born into. They can also be constructed over a 5 year period

 

[QuickCrick]

Source?

I’ve come across your posts and others on Twitter all fixated on one idea planted by media without any evidence. People like you are the problem, little like a matchstick, simple flick to light the fire. I think you should leave the racism to one side for a second and take a holistic approach. Explain one thing, given what Pakistan has gone through and what we are trying to achieve going forward - how will carrying out or supporting these attacks benefit us?

I can’t conclusively say it was this way or that but one thing I’ve taken from this incident is that India’s problem isn’t terrorism but racism within there own, all the way from top down to its people. How can a country that’s gives birth to so many doctors, engineers etc be so stupid? I’ve seen soo many tweets from Indians all calling out for war, how will resolve anything? Do these people not realise they will suffer as much as Pakistan. I guess for every doctor you guys produce there are a million sheep like you.

Finally I hate to see it but the evidence suggests you killed your own which ever way you look at it - maybe it’s an inside job, the backlash of how you treat the minority or even through imcompentent intellegence at the border.

 

[pillionrider]

If so, there should be an immediate declaration of war.

When someone attacks you (and it's known to all), surely you don't just sit around taking Imran Khan's photos off the wall?

Maybe the ones who are not warriors on their keyboards know the realities. Like for example, how badly vintage our defence equipment is.

Think Modi knows this too apart from also perhaps knowing what really happened.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Source?

I’ve come across your posts and others on Twitter all fixated on one idea planted by media without any evidence. People like you are the problem, little like a matchstick, simple flick to light the fire. I think you should leave the racism to one side for a second and take a holistic approach. Explain one thing, given what Pakistan has gone through and what we are trying to achieve going forward - how will carrying out or supporting these attacks benefit us?

I can’t conclusively say it was this way or that but one thing I’ve taken from this incident is that India’s problem isn’t terrorism but racism within there own, all the way from top down to its people. How can a country that’s gives birth to so many doctors, engineers etc be so stupid? I’ve seen soo many tweets from Indians all calling out for war, how will resolve anything? Do these people not realise they will suffer as much as Pakistan. I guess for every doctor you guys produce there are a million sheep like you.

Finally I hate to see it but the evidence suggests you killed your own which ever way you look at it - maybe it’s an inside job, the backlash of how you treat the minority or even through imcompentent intellegence at the border.

My source is same as OP's where he blamed BJP for the attack

Even Rahul Gandhi, the biggest critic of Modi is not blaming BJP for this attack. Can you imagine, Modi asked that young Kashmiri to do a suicide attack on Indian army and Jaish to claim responsibility. So Jaish, Modi, that Kashmiri bomber all were on same team? How ridiculous it sounds.

And people are saying its for election stunt. If anything this attack will reduce the vote share for Modi as people would expect immidiate action from govt. Before this attack all opinion polls were showing BJP will come out as the single largest party, so why would BJP jeapordise their chances so close to polls?

Think...we all have a brain

 

[Canford Cliffs]

If so, there should be an immediate declaration of war.

When someone attacks you (and it's known to all), surely you don't just sit around taking Imran Khan's photos off the wall?

There cant be any war between 2 nuclear countries....its too high a price to pay. Even America won't do a full military war with Syria and would only resort to drone strikes. An Ind-Pak war meaning UN will get involved and so would other countries. India's economy is all time high and flourishing. A war would have serious financial implications that we cant afford.

The best thing for India to do is to have a better defence mecahnism in Kashmir like they have now in Mumbai and Gujrat. In the previous decade, Jaish and Lashkar used to attack Indian cities often. Since 26/11, India have tightened their security and not a single terror attack happened in any Indian cities (except Kashmir) since then. We must do the same for J&K and diplomatically boycott Pakistan which they have started doing already. MFN status is gone, Indian buisenesses are pulling out of Pakistan etc.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The question that should be asked is who benefits from this attack? In my opinion, that's all that matters.

A post of mine a while ago was deleted where I wrote: Any news regarding Pakistan or Pakistanis from an India news source should never be trusted. For me Indian media has 0 credibility.

Time will tell. I genuinely wish and pray for a good future for that region.

 

[kingusama92]

Maybe the ones who are not warriors on their keyboards know the realities. Like for example, how badly vintage our defence equipment is.

Think Modi knows this too apart from also perhaps knowing what really happened.

You're right but doesn't inaction welcome additional attacks (assuming this is Pakistan's doing)?

 

[kingusama92]

There cant be any war between 2 nuclear countries....its too high a price to pay. Even America won't do a full military war with Syria and would only resort to drone strikes. An Ind-Pak war meaning UN will get involved and so would other countries. India's economy is all time high and flourishing. A war would have serious financial implications that we cant afford.

The best thing for India to do is to have a better defence mecahnism in Kashmir like they have now in Mumbai and Gujrat. In the previous decade, Jaish and Lashkar used to attack Indian cities often. Since 26/11, India have tightened their security and not a single terror attack happened in any Indian cities (except Kashmir) since then. We must do the same for J&K and diplomatically boycott Pakistan which they have started doing already. MFN status is gone, Indian buisenesses are pulling out of Pakistan etc.

America would absolutely do an all-out war if it's country was attacked on American soil. Remember, the accusation is against Pakistan's government. A sovereign nation. This is what India is claiming (supposedly).

The reaction isn't matching the accusation.

Diplomatic boycotts are generally reserved for hosting deviant elements. However, this time the accusation is Pakistan led AND hosted the attacking elements, which is surely a whole different ball game.

 

[Hermoine Green]

I am hearing theories that BJP orchestrated the attack to get sympathy votes just before the elections! Modi looked like he was done and Congress seemed to have a chance to win the elections or at least make a better showing in the upcoming elections. This incident is going to shift the dynamics and Modi willmost likely be back.

How plausible is it for the Indian PPers?

First of all as usual, after the attack right within 05 minutes Indian media and politicians "Claimed" that the attacks are organized from obviously Pakistan.

Incident happens when In a matter of few weeks Modi is set to initiate his election campaign? There is a clear pattern of deceit on the part of Modi’s government handling of this Pulwama attack affair. Without any evidence, or thorough investigation, blames were put on Pakistan.

It's easy and very old tactic from India Gov, blame Pakistan and become the hero of nation, utter some trash like war and nation is all yours and surely it can win you next election.

Iran always pays close attention to Saudi Arabia’s visit to Pakistan, and India is aware of it. It is among the objectives of Indian foreign policy to isolate Pakistan from Iran.

You never know may be it's India's own GOV who is framingPakistan as a terrorist state on the visit of Saudi crown prince Muhammad Bin Salman cunningly and subliminally trying to gain an advantage in its foreign policy with Iran by checkmating and framing both the Saudis and Pakistanis at the same time

Thing which confused me alot that India has around some lakhs of army in IOK, 100,000 police, around 30,000 special police officers, hundreds of pro-Indian-government militants, state intelligence, central intelligence agency, RAW, dedicated military satellites and other advanced defense equipment present in India occupied Jammu and Kashmir which makes it one of the “world’s most militarized zone” by India alone and there are more than 5 checkposts in every KM of the area.

Then how around 350KG of explosive material went un-detected?

Also, this attack happened just a few days after the visit of Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Defense minister Nirmala Seetharaman, same patterns as we had seen earlier in the Uri attack.

Modi Ji did the same stuff in 2002 and won his seat from Gujrat (I hope am not wrong) It's basically saved his job in 2002 and now same is being repeated.

Two years ago Kashmir witnessed one of its bloodiest periods in the aftermath of freedom fighter Buhran Wani’s murder by the Indian Army. More than 100 civilians were killed and thousands injured in bullets and pellets guns etc. As a result of it, the number of young freedom fighters increased

Why Indian media backed by Modi would say that Adil Ahmad Dar is a Pakistani agent? Even if we for a moment accept that it was not a false flag how can India deny this reality that this guy who attacked was Indian Occupied Kashmiri resident and never had been to Pakistan? His house was burnt by Indian troops in 2018 and women were disgraced. And also according to India's own media the explosive were obtained locally.

Lot's to say though.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Jaish is founded by Masood Azhar. Its based in Bahwalpur Punjab Pakistan.

With the help of some Kashmiris commanders. Though banned 17 years ago.

 

[ahsan17]

America would absolutely do an all-out war if it's country was attacked on American soil. Remember, the accusation is against Pakistan's government. A sovereign nation. This is what India is claiming (supposedly).

The reaction isn't matching the accusation.

Diplomatic boycotts are generally reserved for hosting deviant elements. However, this time the accusation is Pakistan led AND hosted the attacking elements, which is surely a whole different ball game.

I actually still don't know whether they are blaming the Pakistani state to be directly involved, or non-state actors to be involved and that because Pakistani state does nothing against them then Pakistan is complicit.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

America would absolutely do an all-out war if it's country was attacked on American soil. Remember, the accusation is against Pakistan's government. A sovereign nation. This is what India is claiming (supposedly).

The reaction isn't matching the accusation.

Diplomatic boycotts are generally reserved for hosting deviant elements. However, this time the accusation is Pakistan led AND hosted the attacking elements, which is surely a whole different ball game.

Nah it doesn't work that way.

Its a proxy war.

Not a Kargil type situation.

India will not risk depleting its coffers for these type of attacks.

Doesn't mean these accusations are false.

Internationally designated terrorists are roaming around free in Pakistan. Masoor Azhad was bloody freed after a plane hijack and yet China asks for more proof.

It's a farce.

But I suppose there might come a time when proxy wars are one too many and India just goes to war though I personally hope that never happens.

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USA analogy isn't applicable here because they have never been in a situation with hostile neighbours attacking them. Their fight with Afghanistan and Iraq have impacted their economy a lot.

The fact of the matter is simple:

1. Pakistan wants Kashmir. It doesn't have the legal standing or military might or international clout to get it on its own. So they resort to proxy wars.

2. India is happy wih status quo. But we are a corrupt nation at the end of the day. Intelligence lapses happen and even negligence is possible at some level if the right official is paid money. Not saying it happened here but I won't rule it out. My father has headed companies and has dealt with national level politicians. A supremely famous BJP politician tried to make money by procuring inferior clothing for armymen. Thankfully the deal didn't go through with NDA government falling in 2004.

All in all....India has its issues. But its also true that Pak is sponsoring terrorism in kashmir cos they have no other option to getting Kashmir.

Just because we have issues on our side doesn't mean we shouldn't point fingers at Pak. They will continue to do what they can. India has to make do with what it has and deal with the situation.

 

[161]

They might have not been directly behind it but they may have known it and allowed it to happen.

Fun Fact: US Military and even FDR knew Japan was about to attack Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen as an excuse to get into WW2

 

[Hermoine Green]

Nah it doesn't work that way.

Its a proxy war.

Not a Kargil type situation.

India will not risk depleting its coffers for these type of attacks.

Doesn't mean these accusations are false.

Internationally designated terrorists are roaming around free in Pakistan. Masoor Azhad was bloody freed after a plane hijack and yet China asks for more proof.

It's a farce.

But I suppose there might come a time when proxy wars are one too many and India just goes to war though I personally hope that never happens.

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USA analogy isn't applicable here because they have never been in a situation with hostile neighbours attacking them. Their fight with Afghanistan and Iraq have impacted their economy a lot.

The fact of the matter is simple:

1. Pakistan wants Kashmir. It doesn't have the legal standing or military might or international clout to get it on its own. So they resort to proxy wars.

2. India is happy wih status quo. But we are a corrupt nation at the end of the day. Intelligence lapses happen and even negligence is possible at some level if the right official is paid money. Not saying it happened here but I won't rule it out. My father has headed companies and has dealt with national level politicians. A supremely famous BJP politician tried to make money by procuring inferior clothing for armymen. Thankfully the deal didn't go through with NDA government falling in 2004.

All in all....India has its issues. But its also true that Pak is sponsoring terrorism in kashmir cos they have no other option to getting Kashmir.

Just because we have issues on our side doesn't mean we shouldn't point fingers at Pak. They will continue to do what they can. India has to make do with what it has and deal with the situation.

Same like India playing proxy wars in Balochistan which is not even sort of a disputed area. And correction should be made there i.e Pakistani BANNED groups (with the help of neighbors offcourse) are doing terrorism and Indian OWN Army personnel are caught doing terrorism at our soil.

So, India ain't pious either. And it's also true the India is supporting terrorism openly in Pakistan.

And you are talking about Masood Azhar who has been disappeared completely since 2016 and offices were sealed also. And, what about your own CBI and India Gov who allowed Don sahab to leave India back in 94, although he wanted to surrender and now he is roaming freely in UAE.

 

[Hermoine Green]

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Same like India playing proxy wars in Balochistan which is not even sort of a disputed area. And correction should be made there i.e Pakistani BANNED groups (with the help of neighbors offcourse) are doing terrorism and Indian OWN Army personnel are caught doing terrorism at our soil.

So, India ain't pious either. And it's also true the India is supporting terrorism openly in Pakistan.

And you are talking about Masood Azhar who has been disappeared completely since 2016 and offices were sealed also. And, what about your own CBI and India Gov who allowed Don sahab to leave India back in 94, although he wanted to surrender and now he is roaming freely in UAE.

India may not be pious. Agreed. Every possibility must be acknowledged.

1. So why is India not in terror lists across the world but Pakistan is?

2. Why are international terrorists not roaming around in India?

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If India did indeed get into proxy war (not that there is any info about it), it is a retaliatory measure. If one hits a nation back 20 times and it might do a few times back. You can't then claim its all equal.

(On a personal level, I don't support killing of innocents. I am sure you don't too. So let's get that out of the way and just keep things rational.)

Now let's take a look at other nations:

Iran, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, SL don't accuse Indians of terrorism.

Yet its NOT true in case of Pakistan.

Afghanistan accuses it.

Iran accuses it.

India accuses it.

Why is that?

Some coincidence?

So to say we are all in this equally, is simply disenginuous.

 

[Madplayer]

Saw this on many Indian channels yesterday.

How can Indians be so dumb that they believe this? [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Saw this on many Indian channels yesterday.

How can Indians be so dumb that they believe this? [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

What is this?

 

[Hermoine Green]

What is this?

It seems like you are not watching your tv? Every Indian news agency PROVED that LATE Ghazi Rashid is the mastermind of pulawama attack ( Who was already killed in 2007 by Pak Army in Red Mosque ). And Your media circulated the above mentioned image (Which is obviously some stupid editing by your media) And today your media is claiming that Indian Armed Forces have killed the master mind in an operation.

How can you kill someone who is already dead?

 

[Hermoine Green]

Saw this on many Indian channels yesterday.

How can Indians be so dumb that they believe this? [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

For your Info, Ghazi Rasheed is killed today by Indian Armed Forces in a very critical operation. Basically they killed the guy who is already killed in 2007. Top bollywood stuff.

 

[Madplayer]

What is this?

This guy is presented as the mastermind behind the attack. Clearly a photoshopped pic of a Brazilian police officer.

 

[Madplayer]

For your Info, Ghazi Rasheed is killed today by Indian Armed Forces in a very critical operation. Basically they killed the guy who is already killed in 2007. Top bollywood stuff.

I know. I saw it. Pretty dumb and shallow to mislead their own public. This shows you their credibility.

 

[Hermoine Green]

India may not be pious. Agreed. Every possibility must be acknowledged.

1. So why is India not in terror lists across the world but Pakistan is?

2. Why are international terrorists not roaming around in India?

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If India did indeed get into proxy war (not that there is any info about it), it is a retaliatory measure. If one hits a nation back 20 times and it might do a few times back. You can't then claim its all equal.

(On a personal level, I don't support killing of innocents. I am sure you don't too. So let's get that out of the way and just keep things rational.)

Now let's take a look at other nations:

Iran, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, SL don't accuse Indians of terrorism.

Yet its NOT true in case of Pakistan.

Afghanistan accuses it.

Iran accuses it.

India accuses it.

Why is that?

Some coincidence?

So to say we are all in this equally, is simply disenginuous.

Blood is a blood, so obviously no one like killing innocent.

Why Afghanistan accuse? You know it's answer very well. But may be you dont know the answer about Iran. So let me explain

Iran is pro Shia country well Saudi Arab is pro Sunni country and that's the issues. Iran don't like whenever something good happens between Pakistan and Saudi Arab. Iran always pays close attention to Saudi Arabia’s visit to Pakistan, and India is aware of it. It is among the objectives of Indian foreign policy to isolate Pakistan from Iran.

You never know may be it's India's own GOV who is framing Pakistan as a terrorist state on the visit of Saudi crown prince Muhammad Bin Salman cunningly and subliminally trying to gain an advantage in its foreign policy with Iran by checkmating and framing both the Saudis and Pakistanis at the same time.

And yesterday Saudia has issued an statement stating "Iran should stop sponsoring terrorism".


And there are lots of problems of Pak gov with Afghanistan (You know the reasons) and also with Bangladesh. And they are trying to get some sort of advantage from India for which they need to get their selves in good books of India. So they have to follow the footsteps of their masters.

We are on terror list, that's our bad luck and no doubt our govt is responsible for it. We did make lots of blunders in the past. But which country is effected most of the terrorism? Which country gave tons of sacrifices in order to fight the terrorism?

Lastly, Masood Azhar is not roaming freely in Pakistan, he was caught in 2016 along with his allies, and since then we dont know any thing about him and there offices were also sealed.

Back in 2002 when JEM was banned, it was divided into several small groups. And in this case, India is not clean either. When deliberately CBI and India gov allowed DON to run away from the country in 94, when your own 6 politicians were involved in the same thing.

And, now the dramas which are being propagated by Indian media also raising lots lots of questions on the Pulwama attack.

 

[Hermoine Green]

I know. I saw it. Pretty dumb and shallow to mislead their own public. This shows you their credibility.

And this is also raising question marks on the Pulawama attack also and make me to believe strongly that Indian own Gov was involved in this deadly attack.

 

[MP2011]

I've been referring to this as Godhra v2.0 to friends. Some of them naively and almost tragically reply, why would BJP allow the killing of Hindus?

Kind of despot Modi is, nothing is beyond him...