BJP behind Pulwama attack?

[sensible-indian-fan]

It seems like you are not watching your tv? Every Indian news agency PROVED that LATE Ghazi Rashid is the mastermind of pulawama attack ( Who was already killed in 2007 by Pak Army in Red Mosque ). And Your media circulated the above mentioned image (Which is obviously some stupid editing by your media) And today your media is claiming that Indian Armed Forces have killed the master mind in an operation.

How can you kill someone who is already dead?

This guy is presented as the mastermind behind the attack. Clearly a photoshopped pic of a Brazilian police officer.

I don't watch TV. No time for that. I follow online news from multiple sources.

I am aware of this Ghazi issue. There is some confusion here. Maybe fake news. Or the wrong person has been named.

Whatever it is, I will wait.

I didn't make any arguments based on this news.

In the past, there was a thread in PP where wrong news about Kashmir was posted and all Indians including me, cricketjoshila went on to condemn it only to realize the news was misrepresented. So yes, this stuff happens on all sides.

The bigger picture is that Pulwama attacks happened is a FACT and we are having a debate about the BIG picture.

What some news channels portray is none of my concern. Nor do I defend everything our news channel says. In fact, none of my points are based on what they are reporting.

 

[Hermoine Green]

I don't watch TV. No time for that. I follow online news from multiple sources.

I am aware of this Ghazi issue. There is some confusion here. Maybe fake news. Or the wrong person has been named.

Whatever it is, I will wait.

I didn't make any arguments based on this news.

In the past, there was a thread in PP where wrong news about Kashmir was posted and all Indians including me, cricketjoshila went on to condemn it only to realize the news was misrepresented. So yes, this stuff happens on all sides.

The bigger picture is that Pulwama attacks happened is a FACT and we are having a debate about the BIG picture.

What some news channels portray is none of my concern. Nor do I defend everything our news channel says. In fact, none of my points are based on what they are reporting.

It's not some news channel. It's ANI.

And these news are fake, Forces and Govt should have said something about it. NO?

Which clearly shows that all are involved in this mess, and all are trying to gain some political points. They aren't suffering, only the innocent people are suffering.

And as you said the attack is FACT, so FACTS about attack should be thoroughly investigated and should be brought under light.

Creating these false propaganda by all clearly shows that someone is trying to hide some facts or trying to divert the attention.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Blood is a blood, so obviously no one like killing innocent.

Why Afghanistan accuse? You know it's answer very well. But may be you dont know the answer about Iran. So let me explain

Iran is pro Shia country well Saudi Arab is pro Sunni country and that's the issues. Iran don't like whenever something good happens between Pakistan and Saudi Arab. Iran always pays close attention to Saudi Arabia’s visit to Pakistan, and India is aware of it. It is among the objectives of Indian foreign policy to isolate Pakistan from Iran.

You never know may be it's India's own GOV who is framing Pakistan as a terrorist state on the visit of Saudi crown prince Muhammad Bin Salman cunningly and subliminally trying to gain an advantage in its foreign policy with Iran by checkmating and framing both the Saudis and Pakistanis at the same time.

And yesterday Saudia has issued an statement stating "Iran should stop sponsoring terrorism".


And there are lots of problems of Pak gov with Afghanistan (You know the reasons) and also with Bangladesh. And they are trying to get some sort of advantage from India for which they need to get their selves in good books of India. So they have to follow the footsteps of their masters.

We are on terror list, that's our bad luck and no doubt our govt is responsible for it. We did make lots of blunders in the past. But which country is effected most of the terrorism? Which country gave tons of sacrifices in order to fight the terrorism?

Lastly, Masood Azhar is not roaming freely in Pakistan, he was caught in 2016 along with his allies, and since then we dont know any thing about him and there offices were also sealed.

Back in 2002 when JEM was banned, it was divided into several small groups. And in this case, India is not clean either. When deliberately CBI and India gov allowed DON to run away from the country in 94, when your own 6 politicians were involved in the same thing.

And, now the dramas which are being propagated by Indian media also raising lots lots of questions on the Pulwama attack.

Let's look at it step by step.

Why Afghanistan accuse? You know it's answer very well.

Yes, I know the answer very well. You guys sponsor terrorism there and this is talked about by Pak posters here in PP too, including the esteemed poster Markhor and DW99 guy.

Iran is pro Shia country well Saudi Arab is pro Sunni country and that's the issues. Iran don't like whenever something good happens between Pakistan and Saudi Arab. Iran always pays close attention to Saudi Arabia’s visit to Pakistan, and India is aware of it. It is among the objectives of Indian foreign policy to isolate Pakistan from Iran.

Yes. Iran and Saudi sponsor terrorism too.

Problem is that tons of countries accuse Pak. That's the issue. Not a one-off incident.

And there are lots of problems of Pak gov with Afghanistan (You know the reasons) and also with Bangladesh. And they are trying to get some sort of advantage from India for which they need to get their selves in good books of India. So they have to follow the footsteps of their masters.

Yes....but how come the world is against Pakistan only?

You never know may be it's India's own GOV who is framing Pakistan as a terrorist state on the visit of Saudi crown prince Muhammad Bin Salman cunningly and subliminally trying to gain an advantage in its foreign policy with Iran by checkmating and framing both the Saudis and Pakistanis at the same time.

Ahhh the kaanspiracy theories.

Can it be true? For argument sake, I will say let's assume there is a possibility.

The real question is...

How come you are willing to so easily believe the UNPROVEN conspiracy theories but are not acknowledging the damn proxy wars Pak is waging in kashmir inspite of USA, Afghanistan, Iran and India bleating about it.

We are on terror list, that's our bad luck and no doubt our govt is responsible for it. We did make lots of blunders in the past. But which country is effected most of the terrorism? Which country gave tons of sacrifices in order to fight the terrorism?

As a fellow human, I empathize with pakistanis struggling with terrorism.

But honestly, this line of attack is soooooo old that even people in western countries are tired of hearing this ...let alone Indians.

Your establishment raises snakes which hurt others. When others complain about it, you can't play victim and say look how we are living with snakes and facing the brunt.

Nobody cares. Just work on destroying the snakes.....take our help.....show your earnestness and we will understand your situation.

And, now the dramas which are being propagated by Indian media also raising lots lots of questions on the Pulwama attack.

India is a BIG nation. Lot of things will happen. Some sensible. Some illogical. Nobody is taking some random events and attacking Pak.

To put it in perspective, 2008 terrorist attack perpetrators are STILL roaming around in Pak. They have bounty on their head.

Random news events don't matter. The big picture does at this point.

We have to wait and see how this event unfolds.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I accept my own bias but please don't live in lala land about all the inconsistencies regarding the incident, the coverup claims, and Modi's personal enmities that were all highlighted extensively at the time and in the years that followed.



It does harm Hindu interests by changing the way people go about their lives. They are fundamentally changing the way a Hindu who should have Vedic philosophies as his foundation, lives his life.

At not appeasing. One of the major reasons, Hindus voted the BJP in, was the appeasement rubbish that had been going on. Guess you didn't see Modiji's performance in Bengaluru during the state elections where a Muslim girl whose education he had funded was hustled onto the dais. No one else, no Hindu, no nobody was brought in as an example after her. And what about the Kashmiri Pandits. What happened to them?

Think Modi when he finally returned from his international padayatras finally realized that time had run out to build the Ram Mandir and asked his ******* who once got stuck in a lift, "So, what are our options."

Yes, that is my biased view. But biases are not necessarily born into. They can also be constructed over a 5 year period

1. What cover up? The Gujarat high court upheld the verdict and accepted the SIT abd Nanavati commision report.

2.Congress SP TMC etc do open appeasement to get minority votes. People were fed up of it. I live in a TMC ruled state and i know what happens here.

3.The ram mandir matter is in the supreme court. Until supreme court decide, the govt cant do much.

I dont believe heresay or what media says. Why? Because most journos from 2002 were found to be implicated in Radia tapes. But what i do trust is the judiciary.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kind of despot Modi is, nothing is beyond him...

You have proof?

Or you hate Modi so much that in that hate you are ready to blame him for a terror attack orchestrated by a foreign terror organisation?

Hate Modi.Hate Bjp. Dont hate your country.

 

[GBK_Fan]

You have proof?

Or you hate Modi so much that in that hate you are ready to blame him for a terror attack orchestrated by a foreign terror organisation?

Hate Modi.Hate Bjp. Dont hate your country.

Why do you bother?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why do you bother?

Because he is my countryman.

 

[slipcatch]

You have proof?

Or you hate Modi so much that in that hate you are ready to blame him for a terror attack orchestrated by a foreign terror organisation?

Hate Modi.Hate Bjp. Dont hate your country.

hating modi isn't same as hating modi.

lol

 

[troodon]

Its done by Mossad as Israel wants India to buy more weapons and technology to counter terrorists.

Its done by CIA so that USA wants India to buy weapons from them.

Its done by Russia as India is not buying weapons from them as much as they used to before.

Its done by Bangladesh to make India go to war with Pakistan and avenge the 72 war killings of Bengalis.

Its done by Congress to sow people that BJP failed miserably to handle Kashmir issue.

 

[pillionrider]

Hate Modi.Hate Bjp. Dont hate your country.

Where did the country come into this?

 

[slipcatch]

hating modi isn't same as hating modi.

lol

Correction. Hating Modi isn't as same as Hating Country.

 

[slipcatch]

Where did the country come into this?

Couldn't believe Modi's worshiper are adapting Trump's campaign tactics.

If you dislike Trump or against that mean you are against America.

Hopefully people with sanity can shut down the voice of ignorance and arrogance either with sanity or insults.

 

[pillionrider]

It's amazing how none of these Modi fans have anything to say about what an abject and pathetic failure this government has been in Kashmir and regarding terror.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Where did the country come into this?

You are trivialising the terror attack killing 44 Indians and trying to absolve the original masterminds behind the attack in ypur hate for Modi.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's amazing how none of these Modi fans have anything to say about what an abject and pathetic failure this government has been in Kashmir and regarding terror.

It is ofcourse a govt failure that this attack happened.

But atleast since Modi came terror attacks are limited to J and K mostly.

During UPA regime terror attacks were happening all over India. Do you know how many attacks happened in Mumbai alone?

 

[Bhaijaan]

I generally do not believe in inside job conspiracy theories so i will give this a miss too. The gains seem obvious but people don't take into account the potential risks of getting caught on an operation of this scale.

BJP 'might' get some support and might just get some benefit in the elections.

But an operation of this scale, if there is any leak and they get caught, they'd be simply be history as a political party, banned forever. I don't see the point of going against such odds.

 

[pillionrider]

You are trivialising the terror attack killing 44 Indians and trying to absolve the original masterminds behind the attack in ypur hate for Modi.

Nice

If I'm trivializing by suggesting Modi allowed his poorly equipped forces to be exterminated, what does that make Modiji culpable of?

Do you know the suicide rates among the CRPF? They are treated like 2nd class citizens. Makes you wonder why they were the ones that were martyred...

 

[pillionrider]

I generally do not believe in inside job conspiracy theories so i will give this a miss too. The gains seem obvious but people don't take into account the potential risks of getting caught on an operation of this scale.

BJP 'might' get some support and might just get some benefit in the elections.

But an operation of this scale, if there is any leak and they get caught, they'd be simply be history as a political party, banned forever. I don't see the point of going against such odds.

Nah. Don't think they would actually orchestrate it. More because their abject handling of intel has shown them to be pathetically incompetent.

More like, something's gonna happen. Ok cool. Let's also choose whom it happens to...

 

[pillionrider]

It is ofcourse a govt failure that this attack happened.

But atleast since Modi came terror attacks are limited to J and K mostly.

During UPA regime terror attacks were happening all over India. Do you know how many attacks happened in Mumbai alone?

So many within one 5 year term?

Anyway this comparison with the Congress shows how badly the BJP has failed its voters. The reason they were voted in was because they were seen as a 180 degree change from what the Congress were offering. So this argument of pointing fingers just translates to 'we are as bad and actually worse when it comes to anything that doesn't have to do with corporates."

 

[pillionrider]

Couldn't believe Modi's worshiper are adapting Trump's campaign tactics.

If you dislike Trump or against that mean you are against America.

Hopefully people with sanity can shut down the voice of ignorance and arrogance either with sanity or insults.

BJP fans think only they are Hindus, patriots and nationalists. And more importantly think the rest of the country are a bunch of fools.

 

[Balthazar]

More like an incompetency by the government. But there were reports that the intelligence did warn of the incoming attack. So it makes you wonder what's really going on. At the end of the day, it's our soldiers who are suffering from this.

 

[ILcricket]

No .

 

[pillionrider]

"Security forces say Pakistani terrorist Abdul Rasheed Ghazi is an IED expert and has been sent to Kashmir to train local recruits."

Published on Jan 3, 2019

SOURCE: https://theprint.in/defence/jaish-a...enge-killing-of-masood-azhars-nephews/172335/

There's plenty like this going around:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I got this msg 2days back from a person in jammu<br>Msg was sent at 2.43am saying urgent something bad is going to happen.<br>He even asked me to convey this msg to higher authorities.<br>But before i could understand this incident occurred.<br>Now i am confused b/w coincidence or conspiracy <a href="https://t.co/0XLBfzz5Ku">pic.twitter.com/0XLBfzz5Ku</a></p>— Devashish Jarariya (@jarariya91) <a href="https://twitter.com/jarariya91/status/1096307395171631104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 15, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[pillionrider]

^^ And the Government considered them false positives?

 

[Syed1]

"Security forces say Pakistani terrorist Abdul Rasheed Ghazi is an IED expert and has been sent to Kashmir to train local recruits."

Published on Jan 3, 2019

SOURCE: https://theprint.in/defence/jaish-a...enge-killing-of-masood-azhars-nephews/172335/

There's plenty like this going around:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I got this msg 2days back from a person in jammu<br>Msg was sent at 2.43am saying urgent something bad is going to happen.<br>He even asked me to convey this msg to higher authorities.<br>But before i could understand this incident occurred.<br>Now i am confused b/w coincidence or conspiracy <a href="https://t.co/0XLBfzz5Ku">pic.twitter.com/0XLBfzz5Ku</a></p>— Devashish Jarariya (@jarariya91) <a href="https://twitter.com/jarariya91/status/1096307395171631104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 15, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don't quite get what is happening in this post, but the "IED expert" Abdul Rasheed Ghazi was killed by Pakistani forces back in 2007. It was all over the news then. Perhaps Lal masjid may ring a bell.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Would hate to think that anyone would stoop this low, so no I don't think the BJP would have organised this. Although the standing govt obviously has more to gain from this sort of distraction, so perhaps security levels were not what they should be.

For those who think that lives would never be sacrificed for political gain, it's worth bearing in mind that the bloodshed in the Gujarat riots in 2002 were concurrent with the rise to power of Modi and the BJP back then.

 

[pillionrider]

I don't quite get what is happening in this post, but the "IED expert" Abdul Rasheed Ghazi was killed by Pakistani forces back in 2007. It was all over the news then. Perhaps Lal masjid may ring a bell.

Basically plenty of stuff like this going around that it was expected and nothing appears to have done about it.

This Abdul Rasheed dude has created a lot of confusion No one seems to know who he really is. The spelling of the dead person is different at Rashid.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nice

If I'm trivializing by suggesting Modi allowed his poorly equipped forces to be exterminated, what does that make Modiji culpable of?

Do you know the suicide rates among the CRPF? They are treated like 2nd class citizens. Makes you wonder why they were the ones that were martyred...

Can you tell me the number of terror attacks in India since 2014. And how many between 2004 to 2014?

Modi's poorly equipped forces? I thought CRPF were Indian forces.

Civilians Army men paramilitary all have died at the hands of terrorists.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So many within one 5 year term?

Anyway this comparison with the Congress shows how badly the BJP has failed its voters. The reason they were voted in was because they were seen as a 180 degree change from what the Congress were offering. So this argument of pointing fingers just translates to 'we are as bad and actually worse when it comes to anything that doesn't have to do with corporates."

So many?

Do i need to tell you how many terror attacks happened under UPA?

NDA has done far far better job.

 

[Kaptan]

So many?

Do i need to tell you how many terror attacks happened under UPA?

NDA has done far far better job.

I don't think any major Islamic terrorist attack took place after 26/11.
And to be fair, you can't compare situations in late 1900 and 2000 to current situation. During those times bomb blast was a regular affair in Pakistan, now its relatively safe even there.

 

[Thomaskutty]

A Indian poster [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] has given some interesting thoughts on this. Perhaps he can expand on this thread?

Umm that poster you quoted is hardcore bhakt. He's gone from being Modi's no1 defender to thinking he has killed 44 of his own soldier to stay in power. I am not sure what to make of that but it seems like alliyan has gone off the deep end.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't think any major Islamic terrorist attack took place after 26/11.
And to be fair, you can't compare situations in late 1900 and 2000 to current situation. During those times bomb blast was a regular affair in Pakistan, now its relatively safe even there.

Sirjee please count the number of attacks and casualties from 2004 to 2008. Only count the casualties in Mumbai alone from 2004 to 2008.

Since 2014, terror attacks are limited to J and K mostly. That i believe is a success.


But the modi govt has its failures as well. Pulwama attack being one.

 

[Thomaskutty]

How plausible is it for the Indian PPers?

Impossible because Modi right now is looking pretty inept and incompetent , with what looks like one of India's biggest intelligence failures in decades.
Also, a general election victory is based on winning over the voters of 29 states, majority of whom can't be bothered with what happens in Kashmir when voting for a central government.

 

[Kaptan]

It has become a trend among Muslims to blame others (specially government of the country where Islamic terrorist attack took place), be it 9/11, 26/11 or any other terrorist attack.
They really believe in conspiracy theories and give weird explanations to support their claims.
All they need to do is introspection.

 

[srh]

the politicians of South Asia can be really heartless and would kill their own people for political gain; remember Modi did oversee massacre of innocents in Gujrat but those killed were minorities (muslims), here is a different case those killed are not minorities so most likely BJP was not involved

 

[PakLFC]

So the UN is lying?

Yes of course! What did they do about American illegal invasions? Nothing! They can't be taken seriously then there is your terrorist Yadav as well.

 

[cric_man]

Abdul Rashid Ghazi of Lal Masjid fame was a cleric not a IED expert.
Secondly if it was a suicide mission and the guy drove and rammed his car into the convoy, why would you risk an IED expert? Car bomb is fairly straight forward (atleast in the movies )
IED (improvised explosive device) are usually custom built, planted and then remotely detonated.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Umm that poster you quoted is hardcore bhakt. He's gone from being Modi's no1 defender to thinking he has killed 44 of his own soldier to stay in power. I am not sure what to make of that but it seems like alliyan has gone off the deep end.

Alliyo,

I was never a Modi Bhakt, we have a stereo type going on between Pakistanis mostly and some Indians that if you support Modi you are automatically a bhakt . I still feel Modi is the best person to lead India currently, anyone over that clown Rahul Gandhi I will take. Like I previously said on another thread if Rahul Gandhi ever becomes PM of India, you can kiss goodbye to India, China will take over the Chicken's neck instantly and don't worry about Kashmir he will; willing gift it to Pakistan lol .... My issue here is the timing of this terrorists attack, I felt Congress was gaining a bit of momentum heading to the election and something like this will take all the attention away from Congress, which would be detrimental to them. I have also said that I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan was behind this attack also...


P.S. My only one gripe with Modi being an NRI is how ppl like me now have to pay an extraordinary amount of Taxes if we sell our properties in India...

 

[JaDed]

War is deception. Some people have done analysis of the video claiming the attack and they are saying the video is dubbed and the voice is of a narrator rather than of the person in the video.

Second point of view is that you dont need to orchestrate an attack. You just need to sit back and allow an attack to take place rather than halting it. This means high ranked army officials would be in on it with the ruling party. Also acknowledge the fact that many armymen are open supporters of bjp and many high ranked generals have time and again praised BJP for its nationalistic policy. On feb 8 JK police had given an intel to army about a potential attack on its convoy. If this doesnt make you raise your eyebrows, i dont know what will.

Ofcourse you cannot be sure about anything. Thats understandable. But if you decide to not doubt anything, this will mean that you will have to surrender your brain and accept what your govt. tells you.

I'm really sorry but I'm sure you see how I read your last line and what I would say next ,bringing in what?

 

[MP2011]

You have proof?

Or you hate Modi so much that in that hate you are ready to blame him for a terror attack orchestrated by a foreign terror organisation?

Hate Modi.Hate Bjp. Dont hate your country.

lol, Mr nationalist, don't you dare teach me nationalism like your brethren. Just because I hate divisive forces led by Modi, I hate my country! But then logic has never been forte of bhakts like you...

 

[MP2011]

Couldn't believe Modi's worshiper are adapting Trump's campaign tactics.

If you dislike Trump or against that mean you are against America.

Hopefully people with sanity can shut down the voice of ignorance and arrogance either with sanity or insults.

You've to walk on Indian streets to know how vitiated the atmosphere currently is. Everywhere, there are bunch of people taking processions on streets, with candles and banners in hand. As if these candle marches will solve Kashmir issue or that the soldiers who died for their country in line of their duty, will get anything for their beloved.

PS: I can still digest anything but still when your hear chants of Modi zindabad in these candle marches, you've to wonder what good Modi has done at Pulwama. If anything, it was his gross intelligence failure which allowed this gruesome attack to take place.

 

[MP2011]

Also, Rajnath Singh has to be one of the most incompetent internal security minister ever, even ahead of that clown Shivraj Patil or Buta Singh.

That he still retains his portfolio is an ample testimony to the fact that the council of minsters is being led by someone even more incompetent.

 

[MP2011]

Also, Rajnath Singh has to be one of the most incompetent internal security minister ever, even ahead of that clown Shivraj Patil or Buta Singh.

That he still retains his portfolio is an ample testimony to the fact that the council of minsters is being led by someone even more incompetent.

Apparently we moved 2,500 jawans in 78 vehicles at one go, allowing any civilian vehicle on road simultaneously, ignoring direct written intelligence reports on Jaish suicide attack since December 2018.

Forget intel failure for a moment, if this is not basic intelligence failure, what else it is? And that Modi, Rajnath, Sitharaman are still glued to their respective posts even after all this, shows the kind of influence India is under these days under bhaktism..

 

[Madplayer]

I'm really sorry but I'm sure you see how I read your last line and what I would say next ,bringing in what?

Please be more detailed.

 

[slipcatch]

You've to walk on Indian streets to know how vitiated the atmosphere currently is. Everywhere, there are bunch of people taking processions on streets, with candles and banners in hand. As if these candle marches will solve Kashmir issue or that the soldiers who died for their country in line of their duty, will get anything for their beloved.

PS: I can still digest anything but still when your hear chants of Modi zindabad in these candle marches, you've to wonder what good Modi has done at Pulwama. If anything, it was his gross intelligence failure which allowed this gruesome attack to take place.

Not a failure of you intentionally fail to gain.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It has become a trend among Muslims to blame others (specially government of the country where Islamic terrorist attack took place), be it 9/11, 26/11 or any other terrorist attack.
They really believe in conspiracy theories and give weird explanations to support their claims.
All they need to do is introspection.

This post is priceless. It has become a trend in the western world to dismiss opposing views as conspiracy theories, and of course Indians will watch eagerly and parrot their idols because they don't have a reputation for critical thinking.

The bigger irony of all this is that before any credible evidence has even come to light, they will immediately rush to post conspiracy theories about Pakistan being behind every loud bang or breaking of wind in their country.

 

[JaDed]

Please be more detailed.

Religion and believing in a book obviously..you cant tell me that you can actually say that line and not expect me to question the religious beliefs not faith but belief.

I do doubt my Gov w.r.t many thing
s as to the real purpose of demonization ,highways construction etc .

 

[cricketjoshila]

lol, Mr nationalist, don't you dare teach me nationalism like your brethren. Just because I hate divisive forces led by Modi, I hate my country! But then logic has never been forte of bhakts like you...

When you start supporting an agenda where you trivialise the terrorist attack on Indians, i wonder where is your nationalism?

 

[slipcatch]

When you start supporting an agenda where you trivialise the terrorist attack on Indians, i wonder where is your nationalism?

What does it make you when you support a radicalized extremists Hindu party and group who openly supports dehumanizing, killing, and marginalizing of minority? A patriotic Bhakht? Lol

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Would you like to analyze if European govts have done the same? The white man has always claimed same weird form of moral supremacy over brown people for centuries lol.

Yes, of course. Every government has done bad things.

I'm not claiming any supremacy here, no need to play victim.

Main reason I dont give any credence to 99.9% of claims of false flags is because, I mean how many people need to keep quiet in order for it to stay secret? Take this incident, you'll need a handful of top level military folk to discuss and agree, a couple more lower level people to pay and task with the job and maybe even more to pay off or help. If we take a conservative guess and say 10 people, which is probably far lower than the real amount, why is it nobody ever ever squeals? I can buy a handful of morally repugnant people doing so, but most of these events require way too much planning and people involved to ever be kept hush. Remember this is a world where everything is monitored, practically everything gets leaked and everything can be hacked and listened into. I dont buy it.

But the killer for me is nobody is ever willing to question their own party about this. Its always the enemy government being evil vs our brave noble forces, and it doesnt stand to any scrutiny. The same people giving this credence would laugh at any Indian accusing Pakistan of something similar.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Who has the most to gain from this attack?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Why do people think the BJP will benefit from this? They have made all sorts of allegations against Pakistan, some true and some false however in light of the accusations made the response has been pitiful. They are a laughing stock.

This attack has weakened the Modi government not strengthened it.

 

[QuickCrick]

This pretty much settles it...

 

[Syed1]

This pretty much settles it...

Kashmir banega Pakistan.

 

[QuickCrick]

Kashmir banega Pakistan.

The only thing that should matter is what Kashmiris want - the rest is all **..

 

[slipcatch]

This pretty much settles it...

Is this in Indian occupied Kashmir?

 

[QuickCrick]

Is this in Indian occupied Kashmir?

Yes

 

[MP2011]

When you start supporting an agenda where you trivialise the terrorist attack on Indians, i wonder where is your nationalism?

Only agenda which is clearly visible here is bhakts' which is to see Modi as Indian PM again whether it breaks India or sends it to gutter doesn't matter to guys like you. Only thing matters is Modi and Modi only.

As for trivializing terror, instead of painting me as an anti national which is standard operating procedure of bhakts like you, you should first try to know what kind of creature Modi is. I know he is someone who'll stoop to unimaginable depths just to garner some votes. Didn't think twice to extract cheap publicity at the expense of his nonagenarian mother.

So as i said, nothing is beyond that guy. Absolutely nothing.

 

[MP2011]

Also as I said earlier, instead of being a Modi bhakt, be India bhakt. Will serve you well and you won't repent in your later years why did you deify that guy.

 

[MP2011]

What does it make you when you support a radicalized extremists Hindu party and group who openly supports dehumanizing, killing, and marginalizing of minority? A patriotic Bhakht? Lol

Agenda of Modi has never been hidden. Hear his gems when he addresses minorities or talks about them. You just have to hear out his gutter mouth while talking about minorities.

 

[Madplayer]

Religion and believing in a book obviously..you cant tell me that you can actually say that line and not expect me to question the religious beliefs not faith but belief.

I do doubt my Gov w.r.t many thing
s as to the real purpose of demonization ,highways construction etc .

You are comparing apples and oranges. Believing in some concepts of religion which cannot be rationalized in light of science is different than believing in whatever the government says. What government says and does is happening right now, infront of you and me. I am asking you to question the inconsistencies in government's version of truth and you are bringing in religion. Come on, i expect better from you.

 

[Mobashir]

Because he is my countryman.

As much your countrymen as the young boy who did the attack against your army.

 

[Kaptan]

This post is priceless. It has become a trend in the western world to dismiss opposing views as conspiracy theories, and of course Indians will watch eagerly and parrot their idols because they don't have a reputation for critical thinking.

The bigger irony of all this is that before any credible evidence has even come to light, they will immediately rush to post conspiracy theories about Pakistan being behind every loud bang or breaking of wind in their country.

Osama got killed in Pakistan by US forces.
Pakistani: But we need evidence.

Kasab identified by his parents (?) and other villagers on a Pakistani channel after 26/11.
Pakistani: But we need evidence.

Hafiz Saeed declared terrorist by UN.
Pakistani: But we need evidence.

and many more.....
but.

9/11 was a insider job.
Pakistani: no evidence required.

Kasab was Indian
Pakistani: no evidence required

BJP behind Pulwama attack.
Pakistani: no evidence required.

As I said bro. Do some introspection before asking for evidence.

 

[ahsan17]

Osama got killed in Pakistan by US forces.
Pakistani: But we need evidence.

Kasab identified by his parents (?) and other villagers on a Pakistani channel after 26/11.
Pakistani: But we need evidence.

Hafiz Saeed declared terrorist by UN.
Pakistani: But we need evidence.

Just for completeness sakes:

As far as OBL is concerned, white house on multiple occasions has said there was no evidence of any Pakistani state involvement in hiding.

As for 26/11 and Hafiz Saeed, there is still no evidence of Pakistani state aiding that attack. The evidence is against non-state actors.

 

[Kaptan]

Just for completeness sakes:

As far as OBL is concerned, white house on multiple occasions has said there was no evidence of any Pakistani state involvement in hiding.

As for 26/11 and Hafiz Saeed, there is still no evidence of Pakistani state aiding that attack. The evidence is against non-state actors.

OBL was found inside Pakistan. Kasab was Pakistani.
Govt. involved or not. The fact that Pakistani LAND was used, makes Pakistani Govt answerable (and responsible).

 

[ahsan17]

OBL was found inside Pakistan. Kasab was Pakistani.
Govt. involved or not. The fact that Pakistani LAND was used, makes Pakistani Govt answerable (and responsible).

Not really. US moved on from the OBL episode in a few days and you still want them to make the Pakistani government answerable. I think primarily only Indians keep harping on this, the rest of the world moved on a long tiem ago. A government can't fully control what people do within its border.

With respect to the involvement of JeM in this attack, do we know how they were involved? What support did they actually provide? There have been a several instances of TTP and ISIS claiming attacks across the world that they were not actually involved in, because those terrorist groups want to appear more powerful than they are. You know how this was found out? Through investigation. I think the main issue is literally close to zero investigation has happened and your country started blaming Pakistan, even suggesting official state involvement.

 

[ahsan17]

OBL was found inside Pakistan. Kasab was Pakistani.
Govt. involved or not. The fact that Pakistani LAND was used, makes Pakistani Govt answerable (and responsible).

To add to my previous post (couldn't edit):


I think IK made a very reasonable offer. If you can actually provide evidence of any Pakistani group involvement, then you throw the ball in IK's court. It's an India's interest to follow up on his offer, because it's a win-win. If they provide evidence and he acts, they get what they want. If he doesn't act, they can parade him on media and at the UN and use it for diplomatic maneuvering.

JeM's admission or 26/11 attacks does not abdicate India from investigating the attack or providing evidence. They still have to do that. You can provide that proof to EU, US, UN, etc, but you have to provide it. That's one reason why this attack is not getting much coverage.

 

[Kaptan]

To add to my previous post (couldn't edit):


I think IK made a very reasonable offer. If you can actually provide evidence of any Pakistani group involvement, then you throw the ball in IK's court. It's an India's interest to follow up on his offer, because it's a win-win. If they provide evidence and he acts, they get what they want. If he doesn't act, they can parade him on media and at the UN and use it for diplomatic maneuvering.

JeM's admission or 26/11 attacks does not abdicate India from investigating the attack or providing evidence. They still have to do that. You can provide that proof to EU, US, UN, etc, but you have to provide it. That's one reason why this attack is not getting much coverage.

You are talking about evidence ? What happened to the evidence provided after 26/11 ? The whole world knows who was behind it.
People responsible for it were banned and declared terrorists by UN and other western nations. For them evidence provided by India was enough.
Still they are roaming free in Pakistan, why ?
Evidence provided by India were more than enough. Pakistani govt just don't want to take actions against them, because (i) army will not allow (ii) any PM who takes any action against these people can kiss his political career goodbye.
So, please don't talk about evidence. Crying for evidence is just for buying some time till the dust settles.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Only agenda which is clearly visible here is bhakts' which is to see Modi as Indian PM again whether it breaks India or sends it to gutter doesn't matter to guys like you. Only thing matters is Modi and Modi only.

As for trivializing terror, instead of painting me as an anti national which is standard operating procedure of bhakts like you, you should first try to know what kind of creature Modi is. I know he is someone who'll stoop to unimaginable depths just to garner some votes. Didn't think twice to extract cheap publicity at the expense of his nonagenarian mother.

So as i said, nothing is beyond that guy. Absolutely nothing.

If majority votes for Modi then he becomes PM. Thats how democracy works. You dont like him dont vote for him. You have your choice others have theirs.Thats where politics ends.

But a terror attack on Indians is beyond politics.To give perpetrators of the attack an excuse by politicising a terror attack is not in national interest.

 

[rhony]

This pretty much settles it...

That pretty much settles nothing

He will be found in a ditch before he even has a chance to go to a barber.

The same fate as every terrorist since the beginning of time.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are talking about evidence ? What happened to the evidence provided after 26/11 ? The whole world knows who was behind it.
People responsible for it were banned and declared terrorists by UN and other western nations. For them evidence provided by India was enough.
Still they are roaming free in Pakistan, why ?
Evidence provided by India were more than enough. Pakistani govt just don't want to take actions against them, because (i) army will not allow (ii) any PM who takes any action against these people can kiss his political career goodbye.
So, please don't talk about evidence. Crying for evidence is just for buying some time till the dust settles.

Your current PM Modi was banned from entering the US for years due to his culpability in the massacre of thousands of Muslims in the Gujarat riots. I know you Indians put a lot of store by western judgements, but then it should apply equally to your Hindu fundamentalist leaders who wreak terror among minorities.

You are picking and choosing those judgements which favour Indian Hindus, and ignoring the rest, basically doing what your fellow Hindutva does here; using the USA and western media when it suits you, when it goes against it's "only Indians can decide what is right for India".

Take a hike bro, and take your Pakistan obsessed conspiracy theories with you.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

That pretty much settles nothing

He will be found in a ditch before he even has a chance to go to a barber.

The same fate as every terrorist since the beginning of time.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
-Mahatma Gandhi

Bhagat Singh was a "terrorist", according to some.

 

[rhony]

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
-Mahatma Gandhi

Bhagat Singh was a "terrorist", according to some.

Bhagat Singh was hanged before India attained freedom.

The best way to fight for freedom in history is do what that man did in your post.

 

[Bewal Express]

You are talking about evidence ? What happened to the evidence provided after 26/11 ? The whole world knows who was behind it.
People responsible for it were banned and declared terrorists by UN and other western nations. For them evidence provided by India was enough.
Still they are roaming free in Pakistan, why ?
Evidence provided by India were more than enough. Pakistani govt just don't want to take actions against them, because (i) army will not allow (ii) any PM who takes any action against these people can kiss his political career goodbye.
So, please don't talk about evidence. Crying for evidence is just for buying some time till the dust settles.

Can you tell what action was taken against Yadav by the Indian govt? Who sent him and why? Have any govt Ministers been put on trial?

 

[QuickCrick]

That pretty much settles nothing

He will be found in a ditch before he even has a chance to go to a barber.

The same fate as every terrorist since the beginning of time.

Can’t see any terrorists tbh just a huge crowd of people showing India the middle finger..

For a second look at it from an alternative perspective...

The 41/42 soldiers they killed, aren’t they as much a terrorist as these? Only difference is that they are GOI puppets that follow orders and have no actual cause atleast the so called terrorist are fighting for there freedom.

These soldiers, some are rapist, some pedophiles, some racist racist and pretty much abuse there power by harassing locals... I’m not saying 2 wrongs make a right but there is an argument that probably some of these 41/42 are equally as bad and deserve the same fate.

 

[rhony]

Can’t see any terrorists tbh just a huge crowd of people showing India the middle finger..

For a second look at it from an alternative perspective...

The 41/42 soldiers they killed, aren’t they as much a terrorist as these? Only difference is that they are GOI puppets that follow orders and have no actual cause atleast the so called terrorist are fighting for there freedom.

These soldiers, some are rapist, some pedophiles, some racist racist and pretty much abuse there power by harassing locals... I’m not saying 2 wrongs make a right but there is an argument that probably some of these 41/42 are equally as bad and deserve the same fate.

I am looking at this from all perspectives. In the video I see a guy with terrible hair carrying an illegal firearm. Is he a rapist or a pedophile or a religious nut? I don't know and I don't care. If this video did not have any firearm and if people are just protesting, I wouldn't have even commented on it as there's nothing wrong with it.

Whatever army personnel are in private, I dont know and if they are criminals, they fall under the ambit of criminal justice and will and should be punished to the fullest extent of law. The guns they carry are legitimate though.

 

[QuickCrick]

I am looking at this from all perspectives. In the video I see a guy with terrible hair carrying an illegal firearm. Is he a rapist or a pedophile or a religious nut? I don't know and I don't care. If this video did not have any firearm and if people are just protesting, I wouldn't have even commented on it as there's nothing wrong with it.

Whatever army personnel are in private, I dont know and if they are criminals, they fall under the ambit of criminal justice and will and should be punished to the fullest extent of law. The guns they carry are legitimate though.

Not sure why the hair is relevant... are you checking him out?

Criminal Justice LOL do you really believe that?

Point is you guys need to focus on the root of the problem, treat your people right and they will treat you the same.. This video indicate how much hate is filled in IOK..

 

[rhony]

Not sure why the hair is relevant... are you checking him out?

Criminal Justice LOL do you really believe that?

Point is you guys need to focus on the root of the problem, treat your people right and they will treat you the same.. This video indicate how much hate is filled in IOK..

Hair is relevant because it shows that he's a jobless idiot that will die a miserable death. These people watch too many bollywood movies and think they are heroes until they meet that bullet with their name on it.

History is important as it teaches us lessons. You can't expect to do the same thing and expect different results. History shows that armed struggle in strong nations will not work.

There is only one way Kashmir can get independence. You need to win over the people of India. India is a democracy and people will choose their leaders. Those leaders have the power to negotiate and make a decision. You can't win over the people of India by shouting slogans about Pakistan now, can you? That's why I said it's stupid and that's why I said he will be found in a ditch soon.

 

[QuickCrick]

Hair is relevant because it shows that he's a jobless idiot that will die a miserable death. These people watch too many bollywood movies and think they are heroes until they meet that bullet with their name on it.

History is important as it teaches us lessons. You can't expect to do the same thing and expect different results. History shows that armed struggle in strong nations will not work.

There is only one way Kashmir can get independence. You need to win over the people of India. India is a democracy and people will choose their leaders. Those leaders have the power to negotiate and make a decision. You can't win over the people of India by shouting slogans about Pakistan now, can you? That's why I said it's stupid and that's why I said he will be found in a ditch soon.

Ofcourse he is jobless, the people of Kashmir will never have the opportunities to make something of their lives until this matter is resolved. Treat them how every other Indian is treated you won’t hear them shouting these slogans... Why do they have to win over the people of India? You need to get off your high horse, the only thing that makes you any different is where you were born...

 

[rhony]

Ofcourse he is jobless, the people of Kashmir will never have the opportunities to make something of their lives until this matter is resolved. Treat them how every other Indian is treated you won’t hear them shouting these slogans... Why do they have to win over the people of India? You need to get off your high horse, the only thing that makes you any different is where you were born...

The Kashmiris will have all the opportunities if they live like the rest of the Indians. Then they will be treated like the rest of the Indians. They have locked themselves up with growing population and no investments because of 370.

Why do they have to win over Indians? You wouldn't ask that question if you understand democracy. Did you ever imagine 'Brexit' would happen? How did it happen? It did because people wanted it. Leaders can't make unilateral decisions in a democracy. Convince the people of India that Kashmir and India are better off apart and convince that Kashmir will not be another Syria with rampant terrorism that will be a headache to India, Pakistan and China. Contrary to what you believe, onus is on Kashmiris to prove this and based on what I see, Kashmiris are exactly doing the opposite. I guess we have to let a few generations pass by before common sense prevails.