Charlie Kirk's suspected killer brought into custody after confessing to father [Update@ Post 360]

[Suleiman]

I have vetoed my comment on this matter.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Political assassination or Islamic execution, whoever did it will burn in hell, so will their supporters. People justifying this here are pure evil.

But u people justify the genocide of Gujrat and Gaza. That's not evil I guess

 

[Hitman]

There's a greater tendency among Islamists to rejoice attacks on people with anti-Islamic views. I do see this lack of tolerance as a problem among Islamists.@BouncerGuy .

You can let me know if it's a problem and I'll be careful not to express my views as blatantly in future.

All you need to do is make a slight comment against muslims in general, your murder is justifiable in their eyes. Heck, they'll themselves pull the trigger if given the opportunity.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Kirk wanted Guns to be common in US. His true supporters showed him the result today.

 

[BouncerGuy]

There's a greater tendency among Islamists to rejoice attacks on people with anti-Islamic views. I do see this lack of tolerance as a problem among Islamists.@BouncerGuy .

You can let me know if it's a problem and I'll be careful not to express my views as blatantly in future.

Bro,,, prove that kirk was killed by one... Until then stop bringing religions here...

 

[BouncerGuy]

All you need to do is make a slight comment against muslims in general, your murder is justifiable in their eyes. Heck, they'll themselves pull the trigger if given the opportunity.

It could be a hindu guy who killed him as well.... no??

 

[Suleiman]

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Think it’s better to save my condolences for this thread instead

 

[Hitman]

It could be a hindu guy who killed him as well.... no??

Absolutely! Except that you don't see any Hindus defending his murder or character assassinating him in this thread.

 

[Hikaru]

But u people justify the genocide of Gujrat and Gaza. That's not evil I guess

I would have loved if you countered anything that I said, but since you bring this up, ofcourse that's all evil.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

There's a greater tendency among Islamists to rejoice attacks on people with anti-Islamic views. I do see this lack of tolerance as a problem among Islamists.@BouncerGuy .

You can let me know if it's a problem and I'll be careful not to express my views as blatantly in future.

He can Hate Islam. We are fine with it
He can Hate black people.. Still fine
He can have political views .. We are still fine with it

he defends Isreal’s war crimes and Genocide. Thats red line.. No way this can be tolerated as views

 

[BouncerGuy]

Absolutely! Except that you don't see any Hindus defending his murder or character assassinating him in this thread.

Nobody is defending this killing... Nobody can... This violence cannot be defended.

 

[Hitman]

He can Hate Islam. We are fine with it
He can Hate black people.. Still fine
He can have political views .. We are still fine with it

he defends Isreal’s war crimes and Genocide. Thats red line.. No way this can be tolerated as views

We saw that with Salman Rushdie.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

I would have loved if you countered anything that I said, but since you bring this up, ofcourse that's all evil.

So why are you defending the guy who was defending those genocides?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

We saw that with Salman Rushdie.

Just like we saw Tarrant in NZ

 

[Hikaru]

So why are you defending the guy who was defending those genocides?

I am not defending his opinions, a lot of his views were anti-immigrant and xenophobic too, as a brown non-Christian man, I am aware of all that.

I am calling out people for thinking the murder was fine or deserved. I am against silencing voices with a bullet.

 

[Hitman]

Nobody is defending this killing... Nobody can... This violence cannot be defended.

Kindly read this thread. All course no person with shame can blatantly justify his murder, but just look at how posters are making remarks about his past views giving a hint of what they mean.

 

[sweep_shot]

He can Hate Islam. We are fine with it
He can Hate black people.. Still fine
He can have political views .. We are still fine with it

he defends Isreal’s war crimes and Genocide. Thats red line.. No way this can be tolerated as views

Hating black people is also a red line. That's racism and it has no place in 21st century.

He was a toxic white supremacist.

 

[Hitman]

Nobody is defending this killing... Nobody can... This violence cannot be defended.

Kindly read this thread. All course no person with shame can blatantly justify his murder, but just look at how posters are making remarks about his past views giving a hint of what they mean.

You want anymore examples like below?

Hating black people is also a red line. That's racism and it has no place in 21st century.

He was a toxic white supremacist.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Don’t know much about him but reading this thread id like to pass on my condolences to India

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Hating black people is also a red line. That's racism and it has no place in 21st century.

He was a toxic white supremacist.

yes his hate is for black people is internal ,, as long as there is no violence commited because of his hate speeches but hey that cant be guranteed. His followers might have done some racist stuff because he said something.

 

[BouncerGuy]

GUYS, PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC...

 

[Hitman]

Don’t know much about him but reading this thread id like to pass on my condolences to India

You're justified. Much like how Indians have been passing on the condolences of what's been happening in Palestine so far to tear filled Pakistanis so far. By the way, what's the latest fast food joint you are planning to boycott?​

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Kindly read this thread. All course no person with shame can blatantly justify his murder, but just look at how posters are making remarks about his past views giving a hint of what they mean.

Posters are making remarks about his views? thats your problem?

isn that not free speech or counter views?

Did you read on this forum that he should have been murdered ? no one said that

 

[Hikaru]

not exactly
He defended Mass murder of a ethnic Group.

So his murder was somewhat of a reasonable reaction that does not deserve condemnation, okay.

Let's hope you stay consistent if the tables are turned and for a change, it's some outspoken Muslim speaker in the US or London with the next bullet in head.

I personally will stay consistent and call that out as well. This isn't just about Kirk, this stuff getting normalised affects us all.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

So his murder was somewhat of a reasonable reaction

i never said that.

i never saw his condemnation of Mass Murder so i will reserve mine.

 

[Hikaru]

i never said that.

i never saw his condemnation of Mass Murder so i will reserve mine.

Fair enough.

 

[Hitman]

Posters are making remarks about his views? thats your problem?

isn that not free speech or counter views?

Did you read on this forum that he should have been murdered ? no one said that

That way even Indian posters can support what Israel has been doing under the guise of free speech.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

That way even Indian posters can support what Israel has been doing under the guise of free speech.

they already support Isreal

 

[BouncerGuy]

These kind of statements can haunt you later... BTW.. The killer should be hanged no matter what.. a human life is lost.. this is sad.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965866157522702782

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

I am not defending his opinions, a lot of his views were anti-immigrant and xenophobic too, as a brown non-Christian man, I am aware of all that.

I am calling out people for thinking the murder was fine or deserved. I am against silencing voices with a bullet.

People here aren't justifying his murder. His death means nothing. Whoever killed him should be prosecuted.

As you said yourself he wasn't someone people should mourne over or sympathize. He got killed by something he wants to stay in the country i.e. guns

 

[Major]

let’s see what South Park does with this.

one should avoid South Park

 

[KingKhanWC]

You're justified. Much like how Indians have been passing on the condolences of what's been happening in Palestine so far to tear filled Pakistanis so far. By the way, what's the latest fast food joint you are planning to boycott?​

Strange response . Clearly you’re upset like other rss fans over this man’s death. Not sure why ?

Yes , Patel’s lentil burger stand atm

 

[Hitman]

That way even Indian posters can support what Israel has been doing under the guise of free speech.

It's about whether they can justify their support for Israel under the guise of free speech. Can they?

 

[Hitman]

Strange response . Clearly you’re upset like other rss fans over this man’s death. Not sure why ?

Yes , Patel’s lentil burger stand atm

Errr ... we Indians have nothing to be upset about. We don't shed crocodile tears for non Indians like Pakistanis do for Palestine. By the way, what's the next fast food joint you guys are planning to boycott? ​

 

[Boyka]

These days people want to say all kinds of things without facing any consequences. The same goes for a so called “Islamist” @Hikaru

Everyone gets their comeuppance.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Political assassination or Islamic execution, whoever did it will burn in hell, so will their supporters. People justifying this here are pure evil.

Imagine this, supporters of Godse, the man who assassinated Mahatma Gandhi, are out here preaching morals to others.

 

[RexRex]

Today is a sad day for racists, incels and Indians.

Charlie didn't like Indians either tbh and he's been vocal about that.

 

[BouncerGuy]

GUYS, PLEASE STOP DISCUSSING IRRELEVANT STUFF AND RELIGIONS...

STAY ON TOPIC

 

[KingKhanWC]

Charlie didn't like Indians either tbh and he's been vocal about that.

Im just trying to understand why so many Indians are upset?

From his rhetoric he seemed to be a hate filled individual.

 

[RexRex]

Im just trying to understand why so many Indians are upset?

From his rhetoric he seemed to be a hate filled individual.

I have seen several debates of his with liberals. He's definitely turned far right wing in recent years.

Regardless, I haven't seen a more gruesome video of a public figure's death in the US in a long time. Sensitive images -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965855508239364310

 

[BouncerGuy]

Manhunt intensifies for suspect who killed Charlie Kirk

Heavily armed policed are continuing to search for a suspect in the fatal shooting of influential conservative activist Charlie Kirk during a busy event at Utah Valley University.

The campus remains in lockdown as police roam the area searching for the shooter who fired a single shot, hitting Kirk in the neck as he was speaking at the outdoor student event.

The 31-year-old founded Turning Point USA, a group that seeks to spread conservative ideas on American campuses, when he was still a teenager.

President Donald Trump called Kirk a patriot and said his death was a "dark moment for America," Trump said.

In a video post, Trump said he is "filled with grief and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk".

Officials say only six police officers were working security at the event - which attracted at least 3,000 people to the outdoor quad - along with private security hired by Kirk.

No one else was shot at the event, and video shows students running for cover as the gunshot rang out at 12:20 local time (18:20 GMT).

Officials on Wednesday gave conflicting answers about whether the suspect, who dressed in all black and is believed to have fired from a nearby rooftop, had been caught.

Police confirmed that two people were taken into custody for interrogation, but released after finding "there are no current ties to the shooting with either of these individuals".

One man, George Zinn, was released after being charged with obstruction of justice. The other suspect was released with no charges filed.

"There is an ongoing investigation and manhunt for the shooter," the Utah Department of Public Safety said in a statement on Wednesday night.

They said they believed the incident was a "targeted attack".

"The shooter is believed to have fired from the roof of a building down to the location of the public event in the student courtyard."

Hours after the shooting, people gathered near the locked-down campus, hoping to retrieve vehicles and other possessions they left behind as they fled.

Police are roaming the area, barring anyone from entering the campus as the search for the gunman intensifies.

BBC Verify has confirmed the authenticity of several videos of the shooting which have been posted online.

One video shows students crowded around a white tent emblazoned with the words, "THE AMERICAN COMEBACK" and "PROVE ME WRONG".

Kirk can be seen sitting alone under the tent with several others standing nearby.

In another video verified by the BBC, Kirk is seen speaking at the rally before a single gunshot is heard.

He then appears to jolt backwards before the camera pans away and the crowd begins to run in panic.

Kirk had been discussing gun violence in the US in the moments before he was shot.

"Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last ten years?" one audience member asks him.

"Counting or not counting gang violence," he responds, before the shot rings out.

Witnesses described their horror at realising that Kirk had been shot.

"It's a little surreal. Especially then. It felt like a dream," a first-year student named Gavin told CBS News, the BBC's US partner.

"Everyone started praying... Then, we started running."

Deseret News reporters Emma Pitts and Eva Terry described witnessing the attack.

"I'll never get the image out of my head," Pitts said. "It looked like a fountain of blood came out of his neck. His body went limp and then his eyes closed."

She added that she was surprised that "nobody scanned our equipment, nobody scanned our bags, there was no security like that".

Kirk's wife and children were at the event, according to Oklahoma Senator Markwayne Mullins

Lawmakers from across the US expressed anger over the shooting and voiced disapproval at the violence surrounding his death.

In a video message from the Oval Office that Trump shared on social media, he hailed Kirk as "a patriot who devoted his life to the cause of open debate and the country that he loves so much".

He called him a "model for truth and freedom" and went on to blame his death on "radical left political violence".

He also pledged to "find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence", and ordered that all US flag on federal properties be flown at half-mast.

Utah Governor Spencer Cox called the attack a "political assassination" and suggested that the killer could receive the death penalty.

"This is a dark day for our state, it's a tragic day for our nation," he said, adding that he was in touch with the White House and FBI.

The attack shocked Americans, and led to statements being issued by every living former US president, as well as world leaders including UK PM Keir Starmer, and the leaders of Argentina, Italy, Canada and Israel.

Republican Congressman Mike Kennedy told BBC News that Kirk will be remembered as a champion for free speech, and that his death "did not silence Charlie Kirk's voice, and he will continue to be heard and registered".

Intimidation and violence does not work against American citizens, he says, and "we'll continue to move forward with our constitutional privilege of freedom of speech and promoting that as Charlie did throughout his whole life".

BBC

 

[KingKhanWC]

I have seen several debates of his with liberals. He's definitely turned far right wing in recent years.

Regardless, I haven't seen a more gruesome video of a public figure's death in the US in a long time. Sensitive images -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965855508239364310

Having read more of his views, he sounds like a crazed right wing extremist.

The shooting itself looks a professional hit. A powerful weapon was used, as you can see he was hit in the chest and his neck exploded too. He prob annoyed some powerful person.

 

[Theanonymousone]

Charlie didn't like Indians either tbh and he's been vocal about that.

I have watched few of his debates before

He doesn't hate black people. He points at the culture among blacks that promotes lack of accountability and he talks with stats. Like the disproportionate black-on-white crime, >75% of black kids growing without father, >50% violent criminals being blacks despite only 15% of population being blacks etc.

He is a devout Christian and he talked much about how islamic values are forced upon people in the US with Sharia law etc. He may talk the same about Hinduism too if he found Indians talking about running a parallel society etc.

He was very vocal about tariffs too on India. But one has to understand that, he put his nation and its own people first. So, he will have lot of bias in his arguments. Despite all this, his arguments always had some logic supporter by stats. The issue is he stereotypes by extrapolating the stats. But thats common in any debates in general.

May be 4-5 Indian posters were active on this thread but you can notice the undertone among the closet islamists as they cannot control their glee on his death. Thats how extreme some people are.

 

[Theanonymousone]

Im just trying to understand why so many Indians are upset?

The sample size is small here. Active posters here means they are most likely active on social media with interest in politics. Charlie Kirk is one the good debaters during 2024 US elections along with Ben Shapiro, Vivek Ramaswamy and Jordan Peterson that caught the eye of most centre right / right leaning people.

And getting politically assassinated on stage is something very rare.
You can criticize all you want but he is only a debater and not the one holding gun. And he debated with students and very data centric unlike others who give blank statements.

Personally, I admirer his approach to debates just like I admired Jordan Peterson and Mehdi Hassan. Despite the differences, voices shouldn't be suppressed like this.

 

[Sachin fan]

He got killed by the same hate and gun culture he promoted. Ironic.

 

[Sachin fan]

Kindly read this thread. All course no person with shame can blatantly justify his murder, but just look at how posters are making remarks about his past views giving a hint of what they mean.

You realize his bigotry and hate speech directly result in 1000s of people being attacked and killed right? You realize his support of gun culture kills so many school kids right? You realize he was one of the chief actors in right wing becoming more radical and hateful, right?

Just moment after this assassination, school kids were killed again in America by a gunman.

I am always baffled by people like you who always have sympathy for the worst bigots dying but have no sympathy for innocent school kids or other innocents who die directly as the result of such bigots actions.

It's a cognitive dissonance I can never ever understand. Its like those 1000s of innocent victims mean nothing to you while one bigots life is so important.

Right wing lunatics are the same everywhere I guess.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You realize his bigotry and hate speech directly result in 1000s of people being attacked and killed right? You realize his support of gun culture kills so many school kids right? You realize he was one of the chief actors in right wing becoming more radical and hateful, right?

Just moment after this assassination, school kids were killed again in America by a gunman.

I am always baffled by people like you who always have sympathy for the worst bigots dying but have no sympathy for innocent school kids or other innocents who die directly as the result of such bigots actions.

It's a cognitive dissonance I can never ever understand. Its like those 1000s of innocent victims mean nothing to you while one bigots life is so important.

Right wing lunatics are the same everywhere I guess.

Great post . It’s because they agree with their bigotry, applaud it. Then they are hurt as if it’s a family member

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Kirk wanted Guns to be common in US. His true supporters showed him the result today.

I am not sure how any rational person can support guns in the US. It seems to be a default position amongst the American right wingers but there is no logic behind it.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Grow some peaches sunshine. Speeches are always inflammatory. That is what galvanizes masses. He never asked for genocide and there is freedom of speech in the west unlike your favorite nation.

Only loonies resort to violence when they cannot debate. Words never kill anyone. Guns do.

yeah like invading the Capitol to over turn an election becos they didn't like the results.

you jumped the shark long time ago

 

[Rajdeep]

Absolutely terrible tragedy. Guy was only 31 years old with 2 young kids. He was also not a hate monger but someone who used to invite people for debates and listened everyone patiently. He is murdered for his thoughts and clearly people will not let it slide easily.

This will only increase the voice and determination of right wingers. This will only make lives of immigrants more difficult. The American and British patriots are going crazy over this. President, director of FBI everyone is moaning with American flags half down until sunday. There is also a march and protest about Charlie Kirk tomorrow at 6.30PM in Whitehall London.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The sample size is small here. Active posters here means they are most likely active on social media with interest in politics. Charlie Kirk is one the good debaters during 2024 US elections along with Ben Shapiro, Vivek Ramaswamy and Jordan Peterson that caught the eye of most centre right / right leaning people.

And getting politically assassinated on stage is something very rare.
You can criticize all you want but he is only a debater and not the one holding gun. And he debated with students and very data centric unlike others who give blank statements.

Personally, I admirer his approach to debates just like I admired Jordan Peterson and Mehdi Hassan. Despite the differences, voices shouldn't be suppressed like this.

Has the killer been caught and confirmed his motive as you are insinuating?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Absolutely terrible tragedy. Guy was only 31 years old with 2 young kids. He was also not a hate monger but someone who used to invite people for debates and listened everyone patiently. He is murdered for his thoughts and clearly people will not let it slide easily.

This will only increase the voice and determination of right wingers. This will only make lives of immigrants more difficult. The American and British patriots are going crazy over this. President, director of FBI everyone is moaning with American flags half down until sunday. There is also a march and protest about Charlie Kirk tomorrow at 6.30PM in Whitehall London.

Most in the UK dont have a scooby doo who this bloke was. And what is a patriot? lol

 

[RexRex]

He is a devout Christian and he talked much about how islamic values are forced upon people in the US with Sharia law etc. He may talk the same about Hinduism too if he found Indians talking about running a parallel society etc.

He was very vocal about tariffs too on India. But one has to understand that, he put his nation and its own people first. So, he will have lot of bias in his arguments. Despite all this, his arguments always had some logic supporter by stats. The issue is he stereotypes by extrapolating the stats. But thats common in any debates in general.

I remember him saying .. the US should ban all third-world immigration. Maybe you've missed some of his more recent comments. Or you agree with him.

 

[Rajdeep]

Most in the UK dont have a scooby doo who this bloke was. And what is a patriot? lol

A concept alien to you Brummies.

 

[KingKhanWC]

A concept alien to you Brummies.

No you have no clue and are writing after reading rubbish online. As an Indian immigrant in UK, please prove what you wrote. What is a patriot and which patriots, how many etc?

 

[Hikaru]

You realize his bigotry and hate speech directly result in 1000s of people being attacked and killed right? You realize his support of gun culture kills so many school kids right? You realize he was one of the chief actors in right wing becoming more radical and hateful, right?

Just moment after this assassination, school kids were killed again in America by a gunman.

I am always baffled by people like you who always have sympathy for the worst bigots dying but have no sympathy for innocent school kids or other innocents who die directly as the result of such bigots actions.

It's a cognitive dissonance I can never ever understand. Its like those 1000s of innocent victims mean nothing to you while one bigots life is so important.

Right wing lunatics are the same everywhere I guess.

His support for gun culture killed kids. Let's extrapolate this logic.

- Support for Israel kills Palestinians.
- Support for Jihad leads to terror deaths.
-Support for Hamas killed 1200 jews.
- Support for Putin killed so many Ukranians.
- Support for Congress led to Sikh massacre.
- Support for US killed countless in the middle East.

Does your pious self realise that if people are killed for what or who they support, half this forum would be on someone's "okay to kill" list? All of the groups I mentioned above are directly responsible for far more deaths, right? Please say you wouldn't mind this fate coming to them.

 

[Theanonymousone]

I remember him saying .. the US should ban all third-world immigration. Maybe you've missed some of his more recent comments. Or you agree with him.

Havent watched his debates recently. Listened to him mostly during 2024 elections.

Legal immigration is necessary. But I agree that Americans should get priority but in a sensible way. I dont think cutting legal immigration would benefit the US

 

[DeadlyVenom]

His support for gun culture killed kids. Let's extrapolate this logic.

- Support for Israel kills Palestinians.
- Support for Jihad leads to terror deaths.
-Support for Hamas killed 1200 jews.
- Support for Putin killed so many Ukranians.
- Support for Congress led to Sikh massacre.
- Support for US killed countless in the middle East.

Does your pious self realise that if people are killed for what or who they support, half this forum would be on someone's "okay to kill" list? All of the groups I mentioned above are directly responsible for far more deaths, right? Please say you wouldn't mind this fate coming to them.

That's a bit of a poor extrapolation even for your standards Bhai.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Absolutely terrible tragedy. Guy was only 31 years old with 2 young kids. He was also not a hate monger but someone who used to invite people for debates and listened everyone patiently. He is murdered for his thoughts and clearly people will not let it slide easily.

This will only increase the voice and determination of right wingers. This will only make lives of immigrants more difficult. The American and British patriots are going crazy over this. President, director of FBI everyone is moaning with American flags half down until sunday. There is also a march and protest about Charlie Kirk tomorrow at 6.30PM in Whitehall London.

If they want to march for Charlie why are the marching in London. They should be brave and march in the US. This is the logic of you and @Champ_Pal usually. I hope you remain consistent.

 

[Markhor]

You realize his bigotry and hate speech directly result in 1000s of people being attacked and killed right? You realize his support of gun culture kills so many school kids right? You realize he was one of the chief actors in right wing becoming more radical and hateful, right?

Just moment after this assassination, school kids were killed again in America by a gunman.

I am always baffled by people like you who always have sympathy for the worst bigots dying but have no sympathy for innocent school kids or other innocents who die directly as the result of such bigots actions.

It's a cognitive dissonance I can never ever understand. Its like those 1000s of innocent victims mean nothing to you while one bigots life is so important.

Right wing lunatics are the same everywhere I guess.

Brilliant post, posters like you restore my faith in this place. The video of Charlie Kirk's killing is gruesome, and hope the perpetrator is held accountable. However, I'll also exercise my freedom of speech (which Kirk's ilk are so quick to invoke) and show him as much empathy as he did to:

a) The victims of January 6th committed by far-right, democracy denying nutcases whose releases he called for. Those who falsely equate far-right and far-left extremism forget who's culpable for the only instance in recent US history of a violent attempted subversion of an election.

b) The victims of gun violence that he claimed are a fair price to pay for the Second Amendment. People like him refuse to lift a finger to stop children being massacred in schools due to this warped fetishisation over individual liberty and firearm ownership.

c) The people who died as a consequence of the Covid misinformation he promoted.

d) The victims of Israel's criminal bombardment of Gaza.

Kirk made a living from robbing people of their humanity and deepening division within society, and now experienced the blowback.

 

[Hikaru]

That's a bit of a poor extrapolation even for your standards Bhai.

Nah, if support for an idea (that led to deaths) is the metric to deliver a verdict on what lives are fine to be taken, then there is no innocent one in the room here. Brushing this aside is an extremely dangerous precedent and I welcome the outrage this is causing.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Nah, if support for an idea (that led to deaths) is the metric to deliver a verdict on what lives are fine to be taken, then there is no innocent one in the room here. Brushing this aside is an extremely dangerous precedent and I welcome the outrage this is causing.

He publicly campaigned for no gun laws and influenced policy makers in this regard.

His campaign was successful.

 

[Markhor]

He publicly campaigned for no gun laws and influenced policy makers in this regard.

His campaign was successful.

He died for what he believed in.

 

[Patriot]

Only if pipe dream fantasies came true.

P.S. RIP to all those who have lost their lives in the ongoing war.​

Do you have the morals to call it what it is, a genocide and not a war?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He died for what he believed in.

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Some may say this is a case of chat sh!T get banged.

I don't support that view.

It is poignant that even in death Charlie was able to further a cause that he campaigned for so much during his life.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

@Markhor @Sachin fan two very good posts in this thread. While I don't agree with many of the things the right wing say I can at least digest it and accept it. I get some of their stuff on the economy, immigration, gender roles. I may not believe it but I can see and accept why a human being would feel that way.

As much as I have tried to, I cannot fathom or understand the pro gun arguments in the US. I just cannot understand why someone would stand on a stage and argue for weapons. I can't put myself in their shoes, or see even the tiniest sliver of validity in this argument.

 

[Red-Indian]

He died for what he believed in.

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I agree. I think his spirit would not approve of us mourning his death and using it at as a way to point out problems with gun laws and hate politics in the US. He gave his life for what he believed in.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I must admit I had no idea who he was before today, but I would imagine this will be good for his right wing cause whatever it's aims might be. He has become a martyr and his views will get a big boost you would think.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I must admit I had no idea who he was before today, but I would imagine this will be good for his right wing cause whatever it's aims might be. He has become a martyr and his views will get a big boost you would think.

It may well be a planned execution to further increase hate between left and right in America. Or it could just be USA is a land with many lunatics, as we know.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It may well be a planned execution to further increase hate between left and right in America. Or it could just be USA is a land with many lunatics, as we know.

Yes to be fair, it could be either. I am just saying his views will get a boost either way. The bad guys here are going to be whoever carried out the assassination.

 

[Patriot]

That way even Indian posters can support what Israel has been doing under the guise of free speech.

Well supporting genocide is way more extreme than supporting murder. I mean you can support either due to free speech and all, but a genocide supporter will always be a bigger scumbag than a one that supports murder.

I mean do you really want to be called a Nazi because that’s the level for supporting genocide.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Absolutely terrible tragedy. Guy was only 31 years old with 2 young kids. He was also not a hate monger but someone who used to invite people for debates and listened everyone patiently. He is murdered for his thoughts and clearly people will not let it slide easily.

This will only increase the voice and determination of right wingers. This will only make lives of immigrants more difficult. The American and British patriots are going crazy over this. President, director of FBI everyone is moaning with American flags half down until sunday. There is also a march and protest about Charlie Kirk tomorrow at 6.30PM in Whitehall London.

What a waste of life. Full of hate, discrimination. Maybe, he wanted his ending to be like this.

 

[sweep_shot]

Im just trying to understand why so many Indians are upset?

From his rhetoric he seemed to be a hate filled individual.

That's my question also. Charlie is neither an Indian nor any Indian poster's father.

There is no reason why any Indian should be upset. LOL.

Then again, who cares if Indians are upset? This is not an Indian platform. I definitely do not care if they are upset or not. I don't think we owe them explanations about anything.

Charlie Kirk was a horrible human being who used to dogwhistle against black people, Muslims, other minorities. He cheered for Palestinian deaths. He was a selfish fella who only cared about himself and white people. A proper white supremacist.

Having said that, his murder was wrong. Nobody is defending the murder. People are highlighting his character; he didn't have a good character. He was not a good man.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes to be fair, it could be either. I am just saying his views will get a boost either way. The bad guys here are going to be whoever carried out the assassination.

Not sure, its America where they wiped out natives, enslaved blacks, KKK hung people etc, the far fight mindset has been around for over 200 years in that land.

 

[Technics 1210]

Live by the sword......die by the sword.

The 2nd amendment killed him, for which he is on record stating its worth the sacrifice to keep the amendment.

Plus this guy ain't the news.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That's my question also. Charlie is neither an Indian nor any Indian poster's father.

There is no reason why any Indian should be upset. LOL.

Then again, who cares if Indians are upset? This is not an Indian platform. I definitely do not care if they are upset or not. I don't think we owe them explanations about anything.

Charlie Kirk was a horrible human being who used to dogwhistle against black people, Muslims, other minorities. He cheered for Palestinian deaths. He was a selfish fella who only cared about himself and white people. A proper white supremacist.

Having said that, his murder was wrong. Nobody is defending the murder. People are highlighting his character; he didn't have a good character. He was not a good man.

Of course one should have to write murder is wrong, this is basic universal morals.

Yes it seems because the had a hatred of Muslims and Palestinians some Indians tore down posters of Bollywood women and put his up on their bedroom walls. I hope they find some peace after this murder.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not sure, its America where they wiped out natives, enslaved blacks, KKK hung people etc, the far fight mindset has been around for over 200 years in that land.

Yes but they usually do the killing, they aren't the ones who get clipped.

 

[sweep_shot]

Here was Charlie Kirk's last tweet. What a vile thing to say:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965281328108343507

 

[Technics 1210]

Money says shooter was trans.

 

[sweep_shot]

Money says shooter was trans.

Yes. I saw this on Twitter.

A trans hispanic guy threatened him right before the shooting. The guy made his account private now. I think he is a person of interest.

Anyway, these are all rumors. They are yet to catch the shooter.