China blocks India's move to ban Jaish chief Masood Azhar at UN

[shah_1]

China blocks India's move to ban Jaish chief Masood Azhar at UN

EW DELHI: China on Thursday blocked India's call to ban Jaish-i-Muhammad chief Masood Azhar at the United Nations (UN), Times of India reported.

Hours before the deadline, China requested the UN’s Sanction Com*mittee, which was considering a ban on Azhar, to keep the designation on hold, the report quoted highly placed sources.

On February 18, a list of 11 individuals and one organisation "linked to terrorism in India", was submitted to the 1267/1989/2253 ISIL (the militant Islamic State group) and Al Qaeda Sanctions Committee.

The UN banned Jaish in 2001 but India’s efforts to get restrictions imposed on Azhar after the Mumbai attacks did not bear fruit because China did not allow them to be imposed.

"We will be moving the 1267 Sanctions Committee to also include the name of Masood Azhar on the sanctions list. It is a great anomaly that the organisation Jaish-i-Mohammad is lis*ted, but not its leader," external affairs ministry spokesperson Vikas Swarup had said earlier in February.

Related: The return of Masood Azhar

Pakistan’s Joint Investigating Team (JIT) investigating the Pathankot airbase attack in India told Indian interlocutors that it is yet to find evidence linking Masood Azhar to the terror attack, The Hindu reported on Wednesday.

According to The Hindu, the JIT was still verifying whether the Jaish founder had any role in the storming of the base.

Following Indian accusations earlier this year that militant group Jaish-i-Mohammad was responsible for the attacks, Pakistani authorities cracked down on the group, sealing a Jaish-run seminary in Sialkot and taking group leader Masood Azhar into protective custody.

The Indian Express said that Indian investigators had asked the JIT for the Jaish chief’s voice samples, indicating he was the prime suspect in the January 2 armed attack at the Indian Air Force base.

While the JIT probes the attack, reciprocity is being discussed by India. "We will ask for access to Masood Azhar," Sharad Kumar, the chief of India’s National Investigation Agency (NIA), told NDTV.

A formal request would be sent after the five-member Pakistani team returned home, he said.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1249309/china-blocks-indias-move-to-ban-jaish-chief-masood-azhar-at-un#comments

 

[Adijazz1706]

Vetos are rubbish, have always been rubbish and will always be rubbish.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Vetos are rubbish, have always been rubbish and will always be rubbish.

Vetoes are necessary, so that the good guys can decide what is good for everyone else.

 

[anuk]

China is OG. U don't mess with OGs.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Vetoes are necessary, so that the good guys can decide what is good for everyone else.

Not good, powerful guys like India's very own

 

[Thivagar]

Veto lol

 

[Zeeraq]

France To Call For UN Action Against Pak Terrorist Masood Azhar: Report

New Delhi:

In a significant development, France will move a proposal at the United Nations in a "couple of days" to designate Masood Azhar, chief of Pakistan-based terror group Jaish-e-Mohammed, as a global terrorist, French sources told news agency PTI on Tuesday.

Masood Azhar's Jaish-e-Mohammed has claimed responsibility for the suicide car bombing that killed over 40 CRPF soldiers in Jammu and Kashmir's Pulwama last week.

This will be the second time France will be party to such a proposal at the UN. In 2017, the US, supported by the UK and France, had moved a proposal at the UN's 'Sanctions Committee 1267' to ban the chief of the Pakistan-based terror group. The proposal was blocked by China.

"At the UN, France will lead a proposal to put Masood Azhar on the terrorist list... It will happen in a couple of days," a senior French source told PTI.

The French decision was discussed between Philippe Etienne, Diplomatic Advisor to the French President and National Security Advisor Ajit Doval this morning, French sources said.

While expressing his condolences, the French leader, who called Mr Doval, also emphasised that the two countries should coordinate their diplomatic efforts to fight against terror.

Since March 2016, China has been the only member in the 15-nation United Nations organ to put a hold on India's application with all other 14 members of the UN Security Council supporting New Delhi's bid to place Masood Azhar on the 1267 sanctions list that would subject him to an assets freeze and travel ban. It has since then repeatedly extended its technical hold on the US, France and the UK-backed proposal.

India today also strongly criticised Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan's insinuation that India's attacks on Pakistan were linked to the election ahead.

"It is regrettable that the Pakistani Prime Minister has insinuated that India's response to the terrorist attack is determined by the forthcoming General Election. India rejects this false allegation. India's democracy is a model for the world which Pakistan would never understand," the foreign ministry said in a statement.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/fra...backing-indias-call-after-pulwama-new-1996042

 

[a_tahir]

New Delhi:

In a significant development, France will move a proposal at the United Nations in a "couple of days" to designate Masood Azhar, chief of Pakistan-based terror group Jaish-e-Mohammed, as a global terrorist, French sources told news agency PTI on Tuesday.

Masood Azhar's Jaish-e-Mohammed has claimed responsibility for the suicide car bombing that killed over 40 CRPF soldiers in Jammu and Kashmir's Pulwama last week.

This will be the second time France will be party to such a proposal at the UN. In 2017, the US, supported by the UK and France, had moved a proposal at the UN's 'Sanctions Committee 1267' to ban the chief of the Pakistan-based terror group. The proposal was blocked by China.

"At the UN, France will lead a proposal to put Masood Azhar on the terrorist list... It will happen in a couple of days," a senior French source told PTI.

The French decision was discussed between Philippe Etienne, Diplomatic Advisor to the French President and National Security Advisor Ajit Doval this morning, French sources said.

While expressing his condolences, the French leader, who called Mr Doval, also emphasised that the two countries should coordinate their diplomatic efforts to fight against terror.

Since March 2016, China has been the only member in the 15-nation United Nations organ to put a hold on India's application with all other 14 members of the UN Security Council supporting New Delhi's bid to place Masood Azhar on the 1267 sanctions list that would subject him to an assets freeze and travel ban. It has since then repeatedly extended its technical hold on the US, France and the UK-backed proposal.

India today also strongly criticised Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan's insinuation that India's attacks on Pakistan were linked to the election ahead.

"It is regrettable that the Pakistani Prime Minister has insinuated that India's response to the terrorist attack is determined by the forthcoming General Election. India rejects this false allegation. India's democracy is a model for the world which Pakistan would never understand," the foreign ministry said in a statement.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/fra...backing-indias-call-after-pulwama-new-1996042

China will block it again

Nothing new.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">China once again blocked the proposal to blacklist Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar as a "global terrorist" <br><br>The listing would have put strict restrictions on Azhar, including freezing his assets<br><br>Read more here: <a href="https://t.co/OmW4tJRnaz">https://t.co/OmW4tJRnaz</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MasoodAzhar?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MasoodAzhar</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/China?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#China</a> <a href="https://t.co/mwlJz98LSR">pic.twitter.com/mwlJz98LSR</a></p>— NDTV (@ndtv) <a href="https://twitter.com/ndtv/status/1105897674320961536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Hitman]

As if it matters. Hafeez Saeed is a globally recognized terrorist. How has that affected him and his work?

 

[Adijazz1706]

As you were gentlemen. This stuff serves little purpose. Pakistan could table a resolution to get Brahmadagh blacklisted and India will get someone to veto it and so on and so forth

 

[Adijazz1706]

As if it matters. Hafeez Saeed is a globally recognized terrorist. How has that affected him and his work?

So China did not block that move? Why though?

 

[Hitman]

So China did not block that move? Why though?

You'd be better off asking that to China. Could it be because of the CPEC? I wonder why the US and other countries want Masood Azar to be banned?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You'd be better off asking that to China. Could it be because of the CPEC? I wonder why the US and other countries want Masood Azar to be banned?

Probably to please India who is a preferential trade customer. This whole business is now stinking of political trading of favours. Why else would China block a move to outlaw an Islamic terrorist whereas India's trade suppliers are supporting their stance?

No wonder Pakistan is now asking for actionable evidence before prosecuting, so many capitalist nations are understandably looking at the bottom line rather than judging on merit.

 

[Hitman]

Probably to please India who is a preferential trade customer. This whole business is now stinking of political trading of favours. Why else would China block a move to outlaw an Islamic terrorist whereas India's trade suppliers are supporting their stance?

No wonder Pakistan is now asking for actionable evidence before prosecuting, so many capitalist nations are understandably looking at the bottom line rather than judging on merit.

Yea, China is fair and unbiased, who can see the innocence of the pious Masood Ahzar. A person for whom a plane was hijacked and the passengers threatened to be murdered, just so that they could let him free. While US and other countries are trying to please India.

 

[rhony]

You'd be better off asking that to China. Could it be because of the CPEC? I wonder why the US and other countries want Masood Azar to be banned?

It's gotta be linked with CPEC security. Precisely the reason why everybody else is after him.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yea, China is fair and unbiased, who can see the innocence of the pious Masood Ahzar. A person for whom a plane was hijacked and the passengers threatened to be murdered, just so that they could let him free. While US and other countries are trying to please India.

You need to learn to read properly before responding emotionally. Where did I say China was unfair and unbiased? I said the exact opposite, only difference being that I said the other countries were no different, looking out for their own interests which are often trade related.

 

[Hitman]

You need to learn to read properly before responding emotionally. Where did I say China was unfair and unbiased? I said the exact opposite, only difference being that I said the other countries were no different, looking out for their own interests which are often trade related.

America has been waging a war on terror since 2003, spending billions upon billions of dollars for their objective, not to mention the American troops who have lost their lives in this war. They have tried their best to do everything regarding terrorism since then. It's obvious they will do everything against terrorism and terrorists, specially someone like Masood Azhar.

Laughable that anyone with a brain would assume that US wants him banned because they want to please India.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

America has been waging a war on terror since 2003, spending billions upon billions of dollars for their objective, not to mention the American troops who have lost their lives in this war. They have tried their best to do everything regarding terrorism since then. It's obvious they will do everything against terrorism and terrorists, specially someone like Masood Azhar.

Laughable that anyone with a brain would assume that US wants him banned because they want to please India.

China has been waging a war on terror in their own country against the Uighurs let alone halfway across the world. That was my whole point in that post which you completely misread. Why on earth would they support an Islamic terrorist for no reason?

Laughable that anyone with even half a brain would think that America doesn't see India as a giant market to sell it's goods and is always looking to please themselves like most other countries.

 

[Stewie]

The war on terror is a big joke. The way the world has approached this is a fallacy. You cant bomb a few places, kill a dozen or so and then go celebrate. This is not a war against a nation, a country, a few bad people. This is a war against an ideology that the West actually cultivated in the 80s to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.
The ideology itself is corrupt, militant and thrives on chaos. You don’t fight something like that with an even more chaotic approach. When you go firebomb the entire place, killing hundreds for the sake of 2/3 terrorists, what do you think the survivors of collateral damage would do? Come thank you for “fighting for our freedom”?

This happens in Afghanistan, Iraq, and in Kashmir as well. They kill their own people for supporting a “terrorist” in Pakistan. Keep doing it.. you will give rise to a hundred more..

 

[Romali_rotti]

The war on terror is a big joke. The way the world has approached this is a fallacy. You cant bomb a few places, kill a dozen or so and then go celebrate. This is not a war against a nation, a country, a few bad people. This is a war against an ideology that the West actually cultivated in the 80s to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.
The ideology itself is corrupt, militant and thrives on chaos. You don’t fight something like that with an even more chaotic approach. When you go firebomb the entire place, killing hundreds for the sake of 2/3 terrorists, what do you think the survivors of collateral damage would do? Come thank you for “fighting for our freedom”?

This happens in Afghanistan, Iraq, and in Kashmir as well. They kill their own people for supporting a “terrorist” in Pakistan. Keep doing it.. you will give rise to a hundred more..

Ive heard, if all the ants in the world disappeared the planet would be destroyed in roughly 5 years. However if all the humans disappeared, the planet would flourish, apparently..

 

[troodon]

China bans the move to ban Jaish chief. Basically protecting him.

In other News, China is putting its own Muslim population in re-education camps. Basically teaching them not to be Muslims.

Bravo China. The double game you play is praiseworthy.

 

[Zhasan]

China bans the move to ban Jaish chief. Basically protecting him.

In other News, China is putting its own Muslim population in re-education camps. Basically teaching them not to be Muslims.

Bravo China. The double game you play is praiseworthy.

India is no different. While it feigns support for Palestinians and boasts about getting kudos from PLO/Palestine at the OIC, it fully collaborates with the Israeli government.

 

[troodon]

India is no different. While it feigns support for Palestinians and boasts about getting kudos from PLO/Palestine at the OIC, it fully collaborates with the Israeli government.

We are friends with everyone. That has been the policy of Indian Govt since Nehru's era.

China protects Muslims outside their country, but in their own country, they don't want their people to follow Islam.

 

[slipcatch]

China bans the move to ban Jaish chief. Basically protecting him.

In other News, China is putting its own Muslim population in re-education camps. Basically teaching them not to be Muslims.

Bravo China. The double game you play is praiseworthy.

Always perplex by why are some of the most educated are naive regarding geo-politics and politics? Are they intentionally pretending to be naive or they have been morphed into one depending on their environment.

 

[troodon]

Always perplex by why are some of the most educated are naive regarding geo-politics and politics? Are they intentionally pretending to be naive or they have been morphed into one depending on their environment.

Its not being naive. China wants India to bleed. Masood is doing the job wonderfully. So they will protect him. The entire world believes that Jaish is a terrorist outfit except China. We see the double game clearly as day and night.

 

[slipcatch]

Its not being naive. China wants India to bleed. Masood is doing the job wonderfully. So they will protect him. The entire world believes that Jaish is a terrorist outfit except China. We see the double game clearly as day and night.

I guess in this case it has to do with the environment one is brought up.

 

[Stewie]

We are friends with everyone. That has been the policy of Indian Govt since Nehru's era.

China protects Muslims outside their country, but in their own country, they don't want their people to follow Islam.

Its all politics and national interests..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Always perplex by why are some of the most educated are naive regarding geo-politics and politics? Are they intentionally pretending to be naive or they have been morphed into one depending on their environment.

I am confused myself. Sometimes I think it is blind nationalism, then I wonder if it is just genuine admiration for white nations thus the belief that they are fair and lovely, and motives must be pure as in Lord of the Rings, whereas Asians are naturally disposed to cruelty and cheating, hence the Chinese motives must be questioned.

 

[ahmedzee]

Masood Azhar or not, fact remains that India has failed to control the situation in Kashmir. The fact is, local teenage freedom fighter killed 44 soldiers. What steps is india taking to ensure this doesn't repeat. It is super easy to blame a group but what is the security situation in Occupied Kashmir? What if tomorrow another local teenager use homemade explosives to kill more soldiers. Are you gonna blame an outfit again or improve the situation at home?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Masood Azhar or not, fact remains that India has failed to control the situation in Kashmir. The fact is, local teenage freedom fighter killed 44 soldiers. What steps is india taking to ensure this doesn't repeat. It is super easy to blame a group but what is the security situation in Occupied Kashmir? What if tomorrow another local teenager use homemade explosives to kill more soldiers. Are you gonna blame an outfit again or improve the situation at home?

China or their best friends Pakistan are playing with fire. We are a bahadur qaum not buzdils and will give befitting reply at the place and time of our choosing. Let us get a UNSC permanent seat first.

 

[rhony]

Masood Azhar or not, fact remains that India has failed to control the situation in Kashmir. The fact is, local teenage freedom fighter killed 44 soldiers. What steps is india taking to ensure this doesn't repeat. It is super easy to blame a group but what is the security situation in Occupied Kashmir? What if tomorrow another local teenager use homemade explosives to kill more soldiers. Are you gonna blame an outfit again or improve the situation at home?

Don't be naive. Every single statement in your post can be debunked. BJP and RSS have decided to take Kashmir to the boiling point on purpose. I was surprised to see a dude named Ram Madav as some in charge in Kashmir. Guess who that guy is? He's someone very high up in the chain in RSS. They will fight fire with fire and will infiltrate Kashmir. If Modi wins next term, it will be solely based on the mandate he gets on national security in Kashmir. Article 370, 35a will be in jeopardy and trigger the Kashmiris. RSS will take the Kashmir issue to a logical conclusion. There will not and cannot be a Islamic state in Hindu Rajya as per RSS. Masood or somebody else is not even important in this context. India is propping him up to side track the issue.

 

[Pakpak]

Its not being naive. China wants India to bleed. Masood is doing the job wonderfully. So they will protect him. The entire world believes that Jaish is a terrorist outfit except China. We see the double game clearly as day and night.

Its *** for tat. India has bent over backwards to the Dalai Lama who supports breaking a part of China. It'd be like a Kashmiri separatist running off to Beijing. Not only that but India is actively working against CPEC in Pakistan, Yadav is a big proof. The Karachi consulate attack was also blamed on India.

They have plenty of reasons.

 

[sshakir411]

So much for India having strong diplomatic pull....

 

[Loralai]

I wish Pak government would ban him and other monsters like Hafiz Saeed. China is not doing us a favour here so please do not be blindsided by this supposed act of dosti

 

[Technics 1210]

India continues to isolate itself in the region.

 

[rhony]

So much for India having strong diplomatic pull....

I know!!! They managed to get support of France, US, Russia and UK!! None of them know who Masood is but just blindly supported India anyway.

 

[Technics 1210]

I know!!! They managed to get support of France, US, Russia and UK!! None of them know who Masood is but just blindly supported India anyway.

That's because said governments are using India for economic purposes, not out of respect.

It's 101 politics.

 

[PakLFC]

I am no fan of Hafiz or Masood at all. If proven guilty they should rightfully be punished like IK said before he became PM. I can only assume the evidence provided against them was not conclusive enough.

 

[Slog]

I know!!! They managed to get support of France, US, Russia and UK!! None of them know who Masood is but just blindly supported India anyway.

lol at they dont know who he is

ofcourse they know. dont be stupid

 

[cricketjoshila]

India continues to isolate itself in the region.

Yes 14 out of 15 countries supporting India is India getting isolated. Lol.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes 14 out of 15 countries supporting India is India getting isolated. Lol.

You missed the contextual term in my comment - region.

Pakistan and China are 2 nations, which destroys your claim of 14 out of 15.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You missed the contextual term in my comment - region.

Pakistan and China are 2 nations, which destroys your claim of 14 out of 15.

The region is much larger than China and Pakistan. Try again.

Btw in this globalised world there is nothing regional.

 

[Technics 1210]

The region is much larger than China and Pakistan. Try again.

Btw in this globalised world there is nothing regional.

Size is not the point.

India is surrounded by China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar, and the Indian Ocean.

Never has the statement - love thy neighbour - been more applicable than in India's case.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Size is not the point.

India is surrounded by China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar, and the Indian Ocean.

Never has the statement - love thy neighbour - been more applicable than in India's case.

We are also surrounded by Bangladesh Nepal Bhutan Sri Lanka and others.

The region and the world is much larger than Pakistan and China. But its obvious why you cant see beyond them.

 

[Technics 1210]

We are also surrounded by Bangladesh Nepal Bhutan Sri Lanka and others.

The region and the world is much larger than Pakistan and China. But its obvious why you cant see beyond them.

Sri Lanka doesn't share a border with India. I'm not sure which world map you studied at school.

Yes ok Nepal, though I am glad you now understand what is meant by region.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sri Lanka doesn't share a border with India. I'm not sure which world map you studied at school.

Yes ok Nepal, though I am glad you now understand what is meant by region.

Sri lanka is only separated by India by the shallow Palk strait. Sri lanka is as much a neighbour of India as anyone.

World is far bigger than China and Pakistan and India has done well without the help of either.

 

[Zhasan]

I wish Pak government would ban him and other monsters like Hafiz Saeed. China is not doing us a favour here so please do not be blindsided by this supposed act of dosti

How is he or Hafiz Saeed monsters?

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

When greediness become merit these things do happen. West powers want him to declare terrorist without evidence & east power want him to declare innocent without evidence.

 

[Zeeraq]

France sanctions JeM founder Masood Azhar, freezes his assets

Days after pledging to designate Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar as a global terrorist at the United Nations, France has sanctioned him and frozen his assets on its soil.

A statement from the Government of France cited the terror attack at Pulwama on February 14 that killed more than 40 CRPF personnel, saying the JeM had claimed responsibility for the attack.

“France has decided to sanction Masood Azhar at the national level by freezing his assets in application of the Monetary and Financial Code. A joint decree of the Ministries of the Interior, and Economy and Finance was published today in the Official Gazette,” said a press statement from the Government of France that was also placed on social media by the French Ambassador to India.

Apart from creating hurdles for financial transactions, the sanction from France will also help in stopping travel by Azhar and his known followers.

The statement reiterated French support to India’s fight against terrorism. France had extended support to India’s international campaign to ban Azhar as a terrorist, who threatens global peace and safety.

“We will raise this issue with our European partners with a view to including Masood Azhar on the European Union list of persons, groups and entities involved in terrorist acts, based on this decree,” the press statement said.

France’s action is expected to put more pressure on Pakistan to act against the terror groups based in its territory. India has been demanding tough verifiable action against the terror groups and individuals like Azhar.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...mmad-founder-masood-azhar/article26542539.ece

 

[rhony]

lol at they dont know who he is

ofcourse they know. dont be stupid

So everybody knows who he is and he's still roaming around freely in Pakistan. Huh!!

 

[rhony]

Days after pledging to designate Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar as a global terrorist at the United Nations, France has sanctioned him and frozen his assets on its soil.

A statement from the Government of France cited the terror attack at Pulwama on February 14 that killed more than 40 CRPF personnel, saying the JeM had claimed responsibility for the attack.

“France has decided to sanction Masood Azhar at the national level by freezing his assets in application of the Monetary and Financial Code. A joint decree of the Ministries of the Interior, and Economy and Finance was published today in the Official Gazette,” said a press statement from the Government of France that was also placed on social media by the French Ambassador to India.

Apart from creating hurdles for financial transactions, the sanction from France will also help in stopping travel by Azhar and his known followers.

The statement reiterated French support to India’s fight against terrorism. France had extended support to India’s international campaign to ban Azhar as a terrorist, who threatens global peace and safety.

“We will raise this issue with our European partners with a view to including Masood Azhar on the European Union list of persons, groups and entities involved in terrorist acts, based on this decree,” the press statement said.

France’s action is expected to put more pressure on Pakistan to act against the terror groups based in its territory. India has been demanding tough verifiable action against the terror groups and individuals like Azhar.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...mmad-founder-masood-azhar/article26542539.ece

Ballsy move by France!! If China keeps playing stupid, the others will just call China's bluff going forward. China is a dummy member of UNSC. They have no stakes in war on terror, they depend massively on West and cant do much.

 

[rhony]

That's because said governments are using India for economic purposes, not out of respect.

It's 101 politics.

And why do you think world cares about China? Out of respect or their stellar human rights record? Money speaks

 

[Slog]

So everybody knows who he is and he's still roaming around freely in Pakistan. Huh!!

Yea cuz they can do jack about it

 

[Lonewarrior]

World politics at its best, dear indians cant even think beyond modi chest thumping.
the VETO case is simple, every member knws its gonna vetoed by other member. even US knws this.
Its called playing for the gallery..

 

[Technics 1210]

And why do you think world cares about China? Out of respect or their stellar human rights record? Money speaks

They care about China because China is on the permanent UN security council, hence the veto, hence political leverage. Come on man! This is obvious! Hence the block!

Yes money talks, but China is more about money!

 

[rhony]

They care about China because China is on the permanent UN security council, hence the veto, hence political leverage. Come on man! This is obvious! Hence the block!

Yes money talks, but China is more about money!

As I said earlier, CHina is a dummy in UNSC. They are not part of any wars or coalition. Countries have waged wars despite CHina's veto or objections and their sketchy human rights history fools no one. It's their massive middle class that makes them valuable. Ditto with India

 

[rhony]

Yea cuz they can do jack about it

They CAN do jack. Google FATF!!

 

[CricFan2012]

India is no different. While it feigns support for Palestinians and boasts about getting kudos from PLO/Palestine at the OIC, it fully collaborates with the Israeli government.

That doesn't justify anything, if someone is being bad then it's not necessary for you to be bad.

Anyways this is understandable from a Chinese point of view because of their strong ties with Pakistan, but shows the lack of morality from China.

Also can someone please explain to me why Pakistan doesn't find this trash and eliminate him? Is our intelligence really that mediocre?

 

[Technics 1210]

As I said earlier, CHina is a dummy in UNSC. They are not part of any wars or coalition. Countries have waged wars despite CHina's veto or objections and their sketchy human rights history fools no one. It's their massive middle class that makes them valuable. Ditto with India

China's human rights is sketchy? Have you seen India's Human rights records? Ditto as you say, but this is not about human rights this is about political leverage, and fact is China has more political leverage than any nation in the East. Money is secondary.

Countries have waged wars despite China's veto or objections? You are effectively saying the UN is a useless body, which I agree with.

 

[rhony]

China's human rights is sketchy? Have you seen India's Human rights records? Ditto as you say, but this is not about human rights this is about political leverage, and fact is China has more political leverage than any nation in the East. Money is secondary.

Countries have waged wars despite China's veto or objections? You are effectively saying the UN is a useless body, which I agree with.

A million Uighurs who are being reeducated in concentration camps will vouch for that. The internet policing and lack of free speech will vouch for CHina's record. All the Chinese bravado was destroyed in an instant the moment Trump talked tarriffs. So we know how much political leverage they have. They couldnt do squat despite US building nuclear reactors in India. So, we know who has political capital in the west. UN is useless, yes

 

[cricketjoshila]

A million Uighurs who are being reeducated in concentration camps will vouch for that. The internet policing and lack of free speech will vouch for CHina's record. All the Chinese bravado was destroyed in an instant the moment Trump talked tarriffs. So we know how much political leverage they have. They couldnt do squat despite US building nuclear reactors in India. So, we know who has political capital in the west. UN is useless, yes

China has little leverage apart from the veto. US and its allies control bulk of the economic and military power in the world. Except Russia there isnt a trillion dollar economy that China can count as their ally. Chinese economy is so dependent on being a cheap producer and seller that the moment US and its allies start talking about slapping tariffs, China will be brought to their knees.

Remember that US and its allies also control most of the IP and innovations as well.

 

[Pete Rose]

I think the policy makers in India need to reflect on the wisdom of this action:
- they want a designation for one person: as if designation will somehow nip this insurgent movement in the bud
- they know that there will be national embarrassment when some of their biggest trading partners will either block their move (i.e., China) or not even offer a robust support (i.e., Russia).
- who supports India in these efforts: US, UK, France to name a few - they are also the ones to gain most from this support.
- who else lobbies breathlessly for this action: Indian origin experts sitting in conservative think tanks in DC who are basically affirmative action hi-rees from these think tanks looking for a day whereby India opens up completely allowing these think tanks and their paymasters to make a killing in the defense sector and other areas of the economy (energy, retail etc etc).
- So these policy makers see a stream of american 'experts' parading in New Delhi in places like the Raisina Dialogue: where everyone just agrees with everyone else, and they somehow think that "India's moment has arrived on the world stage, now"

The truth is that India's moment arrived on the world stage many years ago. The world powers will do anything to have unfettered access to their markets (you are naive, if you believe this is driven by..haha..common values). But is this really where India wants to spend its political capital with these world powers? Getting them to show up at the UN to vote to designate ONE PERSON?

They are being taken for a ride.

 

[Pete Rose]

They CAN do jack. Google FATF!!

One of the reasons India supported china's move to vice presidency of FATF was that China would not stand in the way of Pakistan being put on the grey list.
What do you think will happen at the next FATF now that china has this powerful position?

 

[rhony]

I think the policy makers in India need to reflect on the wisdom of this action:
- they want a designation for one person: as if designation will somehow nip this insurgent movement in the bud
- they know that there will be national embarrassment when some of their biggest trading partners will either block their move (i.e., China) or not even offer a robust support (i.e., Russia).
- who supports India in these efforts: US, UK, France to name a few - they are also the ones to gain most from this support.
- who else lobbies breathlessly for this action: Indian origin expert sitting in conservative think tanks in DC who are basically affirmative action hi-rees from these think tanks looking for a day whereby India opens up completely allowing these think tanks and their paymasters to make a killing in the defense sector and other areas of the economy (energy, retail etc etc).
- So these policy makers see a stream of american 'experts' parading in New Delhi in places like the Raisina Dialogue: where everyone just agrees with everyone else, and they somehow think that "India's moment has arrived on the world stage, now"

The truth is that India's moment arrived on the world stage many years ago. The world powers will do anything to have unfettered access to their markets (you are naive, if you believe this is driven by..haha..common value). But is this really where India wants to spend its political capital with these world powers? Getting them to show up at the UN to vote to designate ONE PERSON?

They are being taken for a ride.

Your points are valid if you think that the porpose of this is to actually nail "that" one person. NO!!!
This has multiple benefits. This will keep the "Pakistan- Terror sponsor" rhetoric in the news cycle with big names backing India. There is nothing to lose for India or US or France or Russia or UK in this.

It also puts China in an awkward position everytime they have to Veto against the motion. Do you think the Chinese like doing it? Hell NO!! They are uncomfortable to talk about the million Uighurs, let alone some loony Azhar in Pakistan.

On all accounts, Azhar is just a spiritual head of this organization and is not operational. However, India will not let go of him because of the past and while they are at it, they can keep Pakistan and China uncomfortable and look like hypocrites.

 

[Pete Rose]

Days after pledging to designate Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar as a global terrorist at the United Nations, France has sanctioned him and frozen his assets on its soil.

A statement from the Government of France cited the terror attack at Pulwama on February 14 that killed more than 40 CRPF personnel, saying the JeM had claimed responsibility for the attack.

“France has decided to sanction Masood Azhar at the national level by freezing his assets in application of the Monetary and Financial Code. A joint decree of the Ministries of the Interior, and Economy and Finance was published today in the Official Gazette,” said a press statement from the Government of France that was also placed on social media by the French Ambassador to India.

Apart from creating hurdles for financial transactions, the sanction from France will also help in stopping travel by Azhar and his known followers.

The statement reiterated French support to India’s fight against terrorism. France had extended support to India’s international campaign to ban Azhar as a terrorist, who threatens global peace and safety.

“We will raise this issue with our European partners with a view to including Masood Azhar on the European Union list of persons, groups and entities involved in terrorist acts, based on this decree,” the press statement said.

France’s action is expected to put more pressure on Pakistan to act against the terror groups based in its territory. India has been demanding tough verifiable action against the terror groups and individuals like Azhar.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...mmad-founder-masood-azhar/article26542539.ece

someone really needs weapon sales to go through.

 

[rhony]

One of the reasons India supported china's move to vice presidency of FATF was that China would not stand in the way of Pakistan being put on the grey list.
What do you think will happen at the next FATF now that china has this powerful position?

My hunch is Pak will not be part of the black list next time. That's because of what Imran is doing and not the reasons you mentioned. Until there is proof that terror is not dismantled, there are no guarantee though.

 

[Technics 1210]

A million Uighurs who are being reeducated in concentration camps will vouch for that. The internet policing and lack of free speech will vouch for CHina's record. All the Chinese bravado was destroyed in an instant the moment Trump talked tarriffs. So we know how much political leverage they have. They couldnt do squat despite US building nuclear reactors in India. So, we know who has political capital in the west. UN is useless, yes

Come on yaar, you’ve just responded with the defacto anti-Chinese palava which applies to many nations such as Saudi Arabia, but USA selling arms to SA is great business! Though make no mistake about Chinese tariffs, Apple and many USA tech firms are hit hard with Chinese tariffs. No wonder the DJIA dropped nearly 3000 points on Chinese tariffs. On top of this, China owns many US Bonds, and is the hub of manufacturing! Ever wonder why tech companies like Apple do not manufacture in USA? Think about it.

USA building Nuclear reactors in India? Good for you, just goes to show how USA is using India to intimidate China, why would USA do such a thing if China was not a power player? I should add, USA also sold North Korea it's first ever Nuclear reactor, by your logic, NK must be have political leverage!?

I am glad however we both agree the UN is useless, so perhaps next time the UN comes out with a D-list of terrorists, we can ignore the UN.

 

[Zhasan]

Days after pledging to designate Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar as a global terrorist at the United Nations, France has sanctioned him and frozen his assets on its soil.

A statement from the Government of France cited the terror attack at Pulwama on February 14 that killed more than 40 CRPF personnel, saying the JeM had claimed responsibility for the attack.

“France has decided to sanction Masood Azhar at the national level by freezing his assets in application of the Monetary and Financial Code. A joint decree of the Ministries of the Interior, and Economy and Finance was published today in the Official Gazette,” said a press statement from the Government of France that was also placed on social media by the French Ambassador to India.

Apart from creating hurdles for financial transactions, the sanction from France will also help in stopping travel by Azhar and his known followers.

The statement reiterated French support to India’s fight against terrorism. France had extended support to India’s international campaign to ban Azhar as a terrorist, who threatens global peace and safety.

“We will raise this issue with our European partners with a view to including Masood Azhar on the European Union list of persons, groups and entities involved in terrorist acts, based on this decree,” the press statement said.

France’s action is expected to put more pressure on Pakistan to act against the terror groups based in its territory. India has been demanding tough verifiable action against the terror groups and individuals like Azhar.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...mmad-founder-masood-azhar/article26542539.ece

As if he has a Chateau de le Azhar in bordeaux. What hogwash to get the follow on Rafale contract.

 

[Pete Rose]

Your points are valid if you think that the porpose of this is to actually nail "that" one person. NO!!!
This has multiple benefits. This will keep the "Pakistan- Terror sponsor" rhetoric in the news cycle with big names backing India. There is nothing to lose for India or US or France or Russia or UK in this.

It also puts China in an awkward position everytime they have to Veto against the motion. Do you think the Chinese like doing it? Hell NO!! They are uncomfortable to talk about the million Uighurs, let alone some loony Azhar in Pakistan.

On all accounts, Azhar is just a spiritual head of this organization and is not operational. However, India will not let go of him because of the past and while they are at it, they can keep Pakistan and China uncomfortable and look like hypocrites.

If you think that charges of hypocrisy are going to shame Pakistan or China in to changing course, you haven't being paying attention to US policy for the last 50 years.
Think for a moment about it:
China-India trade is $90 billion dollars.
China-Pakistan trade is $14 billion dollars.
Why do you think India is not able to leverage this? China's exports of $76 billion dollars to india are per piece much cheaper than getting the same goods from elsewhere. So India can't substitute these in the short term. Similarly, India's exports of $13 billion dollars come from a lot of the business that keep your PM in power.
The simple reason why China acts the way it does is because, it doesnt appreciate your intellectual and political class looking for desperate approval from the west.
Your politicians call these openings with west real breakthroughs: yet they have neither the skill, the intelligence nor the courage to actually re-orient their trade. It will take a generation.
Best thing for India would be to talk to it's people in Kashmir and for its politician to stop selling the opiate of western approval to its people.

 

[rhony]

Come on yaar, you’ve just responded with the defacto anti-Chinese palava which applies to many nations such as Saudi Arabia, but USA selling arms to SA is great business! Though make no mistake about Chinese tariffs, Apple and many USA tech firms are hit hard with Chinese tariffs. No wonder the DJIA dropped nearly 3000 points on Chinese tariffs. On top of this, China owns many US Bonds, and is the hub of manufacturing! Ever wonder why tech companies like Apple do not manufacture in USA? Think about it.

USA building Nuclear reactors in India? Good for you, just goes to show how USA is using India to intimidate China, why would USA do such a thing if China was not a power player? I should add, USA also sold North Korea it's first ever Nuclear reactor, by your logic, NK must be have political leverage!?

I am glad however we both agree the UN is useless, so perhaps next time the UN comes out with a D-list of terrorists, we can ignore the UN.

The importance of China owning US treasuries is overblown. They will lose billions as well as they have to sell those bonds at a loss. Xi andCHina are not suicidal. China is a sweat shop and thats about it. Trump doesnt care about Apple. Apple can easily go to Vietnam as many countires have done recently for manufacturing. Chinese middle class is the target as is Indian middle class. The nuclear reactors in India are for civilian puposes controlled by civilian governemnt and not the military. It's not a check on china in any way. India has enough nuclear weapons already. China is a power player but they dont wield enough Soft power as the Indians. In these days of diplomacy and with India and CHina not waging any wars, its diplomacy and soft power that matters and thats where India stands out because of West's inclination towards democracy.

 

[rhony]

If you think that charges of hypocrisy are going to shame Pakistan or China in to changing course, you haven't being paying attention to US policy for the last 50 years.
Think for a moment about it:
China-India trade is $90 billion dollars.
China-Pakistan trade is $14 billion dollars.
Why do you think India is not able to leverage this? China's exports of $76 billion dollars to india are per piece much cheaper than getting the same goods from elsewhere. So India can't substitute these in the short term. Similarly, India's exports of $13 billion dollars come from a lot of the business that keep your PM in power.
The simple reason why China acts the way it does is because, it doesnt appreciate your intellectual and political class looking for desperate approval from the west.
Your politicians call these openings with west real breakthroughs: yet they have neither the skill, the intelligence nor the courage to actually re-orient their trade. It will take a generation.
Best thing for India would be to talk to it's people in Kashmir and for its politician to stop selling the opiate of western approval to its people.

You have conveniently ignored the elephant in the room, one of the real reasons why China is forced to back Azhar!! The 62 billion dollars that China has invested in Pakistan for CPEC. China has been urging India to be part of that. China wants to be part of Indian infrastructure projects in the future. India is non committal. They understand the real reason for these construction projects. China has been building to prop up GDP numbers. They built enough dead cities to understand the folly behind their strategy. But GDP numbers are important to get the investments flowing in. SO, they came with OBOR and CPEC to push the debt to other countries while still continuing to build. India has strategically avoided this trap and have totally take advantage of cheap chinese mobile phones. Heck CHina even manufactures many of it's phones in India.

At the end of the day, India still dangled that OBOR carrot in front of CHina and that's why you see no objection from CHina on the US India nuclear deal. They pick their battles and they win those that are important and lose the ones that are insignificant. Nuclear deal is important, Azhar is not. However, its a good propaganda piece for building a rhetoric which they pull out ever so often to embarras China and Pakistan.

As far as trade, Indian pharma and IT will breeze through China once China is part of India's infra. Its a cat and mouse game and I totally believe that there will be atleast a 300 bil trade betweem both countries by 2030 as long as there is parity in the trade.

 

[Technics 1210]

The importance of China owning US treasuries is overblown. They will lose billions as well as they have to sell those bonds at a loss. Xi andCHina are not suicidal. China is a sweat shop and thats about it. Trump doesnt care about Apple. Apple can easily go to Vietnam as many countires have done recently for manufacturing. Chinese middle class is the target as is Indian middle class. The nuclear reactors in India are for civilian puposes controlled by civilian governemnt and not the military. It's not a check on china in any way. India has enough nuclear weapons already. China is a power player but they dont wield enough Soft power as the Indians. In these days of diplomacy and with India and CHina not waging any wars, its diplomacy and soft power that matters and thats where India stands out because of West's inclination towards democracy.

So why don't Apple and other Western Hemisphere companies move manufacturing outside of China? What are these companies waiting for? The time is ripe. The West could crush China's economy, why doesn't it?

This talk of nuclear reactors for civilian purposes is bull dust. Iran wants to build nuclear reactors for civilian purposes, but the USA has a problem. NK wants to build nuclear reactors for civilian use, but USA has a problem, But India is ok, because China will feel intimidated. Civilian use is a smoke screen. This is dirty politics.

The game has changed. China and Russia are the big players, and both have one common antagonist, the West. If you think India has any influence on the West, then I 'm afraid you do not see the bigger picture, which is, the West is using India against the West's antagonists. It's a tried and tested pattern.

India would be better off by breaking bread with it's neighbours than counting on a declining West!

 

[rhony]

So why don't Apple and other Western Hemisphere companies move manufacturing outside of China? What are these companies waiting for? The time is ripe. The West could crush China's economy, why doesn't it?

This talk of nuclear reactors for civilian purposes is bull dust. Iran wants to build nuclear reactors for civilian purposes, but the USA has a problem. NK wants to build nuclear reactors for civilian use, but USA has a problem, But India is ok, because China will feel intimidated. Civilian use is a smoke screen. This is dirty politics.

The game has changed. China and Russia are the big players, and both have one common antagonist, the West. If you think India has any influence on the West, then I 'm afraid you do not see the bigger picture, which is, the West is using India against the West's antagonists. It's a tried and tested pattern.

India would be better off by breaking bread with it's neighbours than counting on a declining West!

Apple is in CHina for only one reason. As I mentioned earlier, it's the chinese middle class. Apple wants to sell it's phones there. These are capitalist companies, they get out the moment they dont see cold cash. As simple as that.

Can't compare Iran with India. Israel doesnt want Iran to have nuclear capability. As simple as that. South Korea doesn't want North Korea to have nuclear capability. There is no country other than Pakistan that has issue with India using civilian nuclear energy. And at the end it didn't matter as the Indians were able to get it despite being non siganotory of CTBT. India also has a history of not sponsoring or sharing nuclear tech with rogue nations. That helps along with India's civilian government's control in the country.

West doesnt use India. India is taking advantage of it. India doesnt depend on western aid. India didnt even care to buy American fighter planes after all the hoopla. They control their destination and are aligned with everybody except Pakistan. India has friendly ties with every country in the world and take advantage of every relationship. There is only one direction for Indo CHina trade. That's UP!!

India and Pakistan are a different beast. Kashmir won't be resolved and India and Pak will continue to be hostile to each other until it does. So, answer is never.

West is not in decline in anyway. Name one chinese company that has taken the world by storm with a significant advantage in next gen tech. I'll tell you, it's Huawei. Look how West is strangling that company. West still controls international institutions, they control where the money flows, they control latest tech and they control best human resources. It's only advantageous to align with them.

 

[ILcricket]

Probably to please India who is a preferential trade customer. This whole business is now stinking of political trading of favours. Why else would China block a move to outlaw an Islamic terrorist whereas India's trade suppliers are supporting their stance?

No wonder Pakistan is now asking for actionable evidence before prosecuting, so many capitalist nations are understandably looking at the bottom line rather than judging on merit.

such a refreshing unbiased view from a neutral Britisher

 

[cricketjoshila]

Apple is in CHina for only one reason. As I mentioned earlier, it's the chinese middle class. Apple wants to sell it's phones there. These are capitalist companies, they get out the moment they dont see cold cash. As simple as that.

Can't compare Iran with India. Israel doesnt want Iran to have nuclear capability. As simple as that. South Korea doesn't want North Korea to have nuclear capability. There is no country other than Pakistan that has issue with India using civilian nuclear energy. And at the end it didn't matter as the Indians were able to get it despite being non siganotory of CTBT. India also has a history of not sponsoring or sharing nuclear tech with rogue nations. That helps along with India's civilian government's control in the country.

West doesnt use India. India is taking advantage of it. India doesnt depend on western aid. India didnt even care to buy American fighter planes after all the hoopla. They control their destination and are aligned with everybody except Pakistan. India has friendly ties with every country in the world and take advantage of every relationship. There is only one direction for Indo CHina trade. That's UP!!

India and Pakistan are a different beast. Kashmir won't be resolved and India and Pak will continue to be hostile to each other until it does. So, answer is never.

West is not in decline in anyway. Name one chinese company that has taken the world by storm with a significant advantage in next gen tech. I'll tell you, it's Huawei. Look how West is strangling that company. West still controls international institutions, they control where the money flows, they control latest tech and they control best human resources. It's only advantageous to align with them.

Apple is in china because presently its cheaper to make goods in china. The moment west makes chinese goods costlier, manufacturing will move to India Vietnam Phillipines Indonesia etc.

 

[Technics 1210]

Apple is in CHina for only one reason. As I mentioned earlier, it's the chinese middle class. Apple wants to sell it's phones there. These are capitalist companies, they get out the moment they dont see cold cash. As simple as that.

Can't compare Iran with India. Israel doesnt want Iran to have nuclear capability. As simple as that. South Korea doesn't want North Korea to have nuclear capability. There is no country other than Pakistan that has issue with India using civilian nuclear energy. And at the end it didn't matter as the Indians were able to get it despite being non siganotory of CTBT. India also has a history of not sponsoring or sharing nuclear tech with rogue nations. That helps along with India's civilian government's control in the country.

West doesnt use India. India is taking advantage of it. India doesnt depend on western aid. India didnt even care to buy American fighter planes after all the hoopla. They control their destination and are aligned with everybody except Pakistan. India has friendly ties with every country in the world and take advantage of every relationship. There is only one direction for Indo CHina trade. That's UP!!

India and Pakistan are a different beast. Kashmir won't be resolved and India and Pak will continue to be hostile to each other until it does. So, answer is never.

West is not in decline in anyway. Name one chinese company that has taken the world by storm with a significant advantage in next gen tech. I'll tell you, it's Huawei. Look how West is strangling that company. West still controls international institutions, they control where the money flows, they control latest tech and they control best human resources. It's only advantageous to align with them.

No mate, Apple and other tech companies are in China because manufacturing is cheap and since the margins are great the profits are massive. Apple products do not sell well in China and India because their products are too expensive, even for the middle class!

You've now mentioned Western aid? Why? You do realize Indian economy would not be where it is had it not been for Western colonialism and foreign investment. So this talk of Western aid is moot.

India doesn't buy off USA when it comes to military, but did try to buy off Israel. Same difference.

I agree that Kashmir is a major point, but it is a misnomer and a political weapon on both sides. Despite the LOC; free borders, free economics, no trade barriers between China, Pakistan, and India are still possible, but India has a bee in its bonnet. Why did India refuse to sign up to CPEC? For what reason? Hindu nationalism? Or the love of Western money?

 

[Pete Rose]

You have conveniently ignored the elephant in the room, one of the real reasons why China is forced to back Azhar!! The 62 billion dollars that China has invested in Pakistan for CPEC. China has been urging India to be part of that. China wants to be part of Indian infrastructure projects in the future. India is non committal. They understand the real reason for these construction projects. China has been building to prop up GDP numbers. They built enough dead cities to understand the folly behind their strategy. But GDP numbers are important to get the investments flowing in. SO, they came with OBOR and CPEC to push the debt to other countries while still continuing to build. India has strategically avoided this trap and have totally take advantage of cheap chinese mobile phones. Heck CHina even manufactures many of it's phones in India.

At the end of the day, India still dangled that OBOR carrot in front of CHina and that's why you see no objection from CHina on the US India nuclear deal. They pick their battles and they win those that are important and lose the ones that are insignificant. Nuclear deal is important, Azhar is not. However, its a good propaganda piece for building a rhetoric which they pull out ever so often to embarras China and Pakistan.

As far as trade, Indian pharma and IT will breeze through China once China is part of India's infra. Its a cat and mouse game and I totally believe that there will be atleast a 300 bil trade betweem both countries by 2030 as long as there is parity in the trade.

O bhai. Point still remains that you can’t do much with future economic clout if you cant do anything with current clout. Also you have to stop insinuating that nations act on morals. They don’t, they act on economic imperatives. So I don’t deny China has to safeguard its investment in Pakistan, which is its client state. Point I am making is that all this hue and cry to sanction one individual is really not going to change the global equation.

 

[rhony]

O bhai. Point still remains that you can’t do much with future economic clout if you cant do anything with current clout. Also you have to stop insinuating that nations act on morals. They don’t, they act on economic imperatives. So I don’t deny China has to safeguard its investment in Pakistan, which is its client state. Point I am making is that all this hue and cry to sanction one individual is really not going to change the global equation.

Future economic clout is based on current situation and the potential growth. India is one of the fastest growing economies with the ever increasing middle class and investments flow based on that. I'm saying the same about Azhar. He's just a propaganda tool that India is using to point fingers at Pak and China. Nations act based on economic interests but morality is a requirement in democracy to justify your actions to your public and senates. If it's all about money, US will install nuclear plants in every country in the world.

 

[rhony]

Apple is in china because presently its cheaper to make goods in china. The moment west makes chinese goods costlier, manufacturing will move to India Vietnam Phillipines Indonesia etc.

Manufacturing is not as cheaper as it was in China because of growing wages. There is a reason why companies are moving to Vietnam for low cost manufacturing.