Could Jasprit Bumrah be India's greatest ever bowler?

[Ab Fan]

Bhuvi is always injured.Its time to move on from him. For T20,we have Bumrah,Natarajan,Chahar and Saini

Yeah but if he can stil play IPL then he must be told to be fit and focus on WT20 or else what is the use of him still being in the contention.

 

[Saurav]

Yes. Maybe give him a series before T20 WC if required...like Asia cup etc. But his workload should be managed for the sake of Indian cricket. India will play 16 tests in 2021 - 2 against Aus, 9 vs Eng, 2 vs NZ, 3 vs SA. We need him fit for those games and the T20 WC. I like IPL but would not want him to burn out playing for Ambani's.

He can rest in dead rubbers in home Tests.

IPL is better preparation than Asia Cup etc. Maybe skip bilateral ODIs

 

[Saurav]

Yeah but if he can stil play IPL then he must be told to be fit and focus on WT20 or else what is the use of him still being in the contention.

Thats what I am saying he shouldnt be

If he's fit around WC time,pick him but only with a backup

 

[MP2011]

Yes. Maybe give him a series before T20 WC if required...like Asia cup etc. But his workload should be managed for the sake of Indian cricket. India will play 16 tests in 2021 - 2 against Aus, 9 vs Eng, 2 vs NZ, 3 vs SA. We need him fit for those games and the T20 WC. I like IPL but would not want him to burn out playing for Ambani's.

Agree with this. To hell with IPL, international cricket is infinite times more important than IPL.

It's his international tally of wickets which will define his legacy, not how he did while playing for Ambanis...

 

[MenInG]

The Pakistani fast bowler calls Bumrah India’s first fast bowler who checks the wind speed and wind direction rather than how much grass has been left on the track.

Jasprit Bumrah is the "smartest fast bowler" in contemporary cricket who has learnt the art of deceiving rival batsmen in air, something that was the secret of success for Pakistani greats, said Shoaib Akhtar.

One of the fastest bowlers to have ever played the game, Akhtar is enamoured by Bumrah’s skill-sets and his ability to outwit a batsman in a mere "five seconds" from an ungainly run-up which isn’t exactly a critic’s delight.

"He (Bumrah) is probably India’s first fast bowler, who checks the wind speed and wind direction rather than how much grass has been left on the track. This thing used to be the art of Pakistanis, we used to know how you could play with the wind," Akhtar said on YouTube channel Sports Today.

He then cited example of how the two Ws and him used to read the wind speeds during their heydays.

"We used to actually (do that), me, Wasim bhai and Waqar bhai, we used to note the wind speed and direction, look the wind is blowing from that corridor, okay I might get reverse from that end," he said.

"We knew mechanics and aero dynamics of fast bowling, how much swing and at what time of the day. This is my assumption that Bumrah knows these sort of things," Akhtar added.

For Akhtar, post Mohammed Asif and Muhammed Aamir, Bumrah is the "smartest operator" in terms of intelligence.

With his seven-step run-up, Bumrah terrorises the batsman in a matter of five seconds. "In Bumrah’s world, in those five seconds, he only visualises the batsman and thinks about his art of taking wickets.

"He is a great character. He will be the most unusual but great fast bowler if fitness permits. If his back remains okay, he will play for a long time." Akhtar loves the manner in which Bumrah has proved people wrong.

"He has proved people wrong time and again. The more people were critical of his ungainly action, he just told them, look boss this is what I can do with this action." Bumrah’s greatest asset is his ability to alter length in a small corridor and deceive the batsman first in air and then off the pitch.

"He sets up subtle traps. The 2x2 length corridor where he bowls, if you ask him to pitch 60 balls at same place, he can do that day in and day out." The use of crease is also one of his more effective weapons.

"When he comes over the wicket, he uses the crease well. He also comes close to the stumps, if need be goes wider, he plays with variations, so the length will increase or decrease as per need but it won’t be outside the corridor," he said.

"He can bowl those away swinger to left-handers which will swing back in the air as the batsman will commit to an incoming delivery. Then after pitching, it will become an away going delivery," explained Akhtar.

"He is that accurate fast bowler that if you get him out of sleep, he will pitch the ball there only. He knows art of taking wickets."

https://www.thehindu.com/sport/cric...-to-have-once-says-akhtar/article33473100.ece

 

[Robert]

Eh? He is the first Indian fast bowler to consider the wind? Reads as very unlikely. I would be most surprised if Kapil didn’t do so. It’s just basic common sense.

 

[Ab Fan]

Eh? He is the first Indian fast bowler to consider the wind? Reads as very unlikely. I would be most surprised if Kapil didn’t do so. It’s just basic common sense.

Bumrah vs Root will be the battle of this generation

 

[MenInG]

NEW DELHI: Jasprit Bumrah is the "smartest fast bowler" in contemporary cricket who has learnt the art of deceiving rival batsmen in air, something that was the secret of success for Pakistani greats, said Shoaib Akhtar.

One of the fastest bowlers to have ever played the game, Akhtar is enamoured by Bumrah's skill-sets and his ability to outwit a batsman in a mere "five seconds" from an ungainly run-up which isn't exactly a critic's delight.

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"He (Bumrah) is probably India's first fast bowler, who checks the wind speed and wind direction rather than how much grass has been left on the track. This thing used to be the art of Pakistanis, we used to know how you could play with the wind," Akhtar said on YouTube channel "Sports Today".

He then cited an example of how the two Ws and him used to read the wind speeds during their heydays.

"We used to actually (do that), me, Wasim bhai and Waqar bhai, we used to note the wind speed and direction, look the wind is blowing from that corridor, okay I might get reverse from that end," he said.
"We knew mechanics and aerodynamics of fast bowling, how much swing and at what time of the day.

This is my assumption that Bumrah knows these sort of things which I hardly think other fast bowlers know these sort of things," Akhtar added.

For Akhtar, post Mohammed Asif and Muhammed Amir, Bumrah is the "smartest operator" in terms of intelligence.

With his seven-step run-up, Bumrah terrorises the batsman in a matter of five seconds.

"In Bumrah's world, in those five seconds, he only visualises the batsman and thinks about his art of taking wickets.

"He is a great character. He will be the most unusual but great fast bowler if fitness permits. If his back remains okay, he will play for a long time."

Akhtar loves the manner in which Bumrah has proved people wrong.

"He has proved people wrong time and again. The more people were critical of his ungainly action, he just told them, look boss this is what I can do with this action."

Bumrah's greatest asset is his ability to alter length in a small corridor and deceive the batsman first in air and then off the pitch.

"He sets up subtle traps. The 2x2 length corridor where he bowls, if you ask him to pitch 60 balls at the same place, he can do that day in and day out."

The use of crease is also one of his more effective weapons.

"When he comes over the wicket, he uses the crease well. He also comes close to the stumps, if need goes wider, he plays with variations, so the length will increase or decrease as per need but it won't be outside the corridor," he said.

"He can bowl those away swingers to left-handers which will swing back in the air as the batsman will commit to an incoming delivery. Then after pitching, it will become and away going delivery," explained Akhtar.

"He is that accurate fast bowler that if you get him out of sleep, he will pitch the bowler there only. He knows the art of taking wickets."

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...oaib-akhtar/articleshow/80060681.cms?from=mdr

 

[tyron_woodley]

Greatest Indian bowler? Shouldnt be a question.

 

[Ab Fan]

Greatest Indian bowler? Shouldnt be a question.

A little too early. Kapil had 434 test wickets and at one point was the leading wicket taker. He was roughly equivalent to Jimmy Anderson level.

Bumrah still has long way to go. 200 wickets is first priority.

 

[J-Essence]

Indeed. He is one of the best in the game and could go down as one of the greats of he keeps up.

 

[tyron_woodley]

A little too early. Kapil had 434 test wickets and at one point was the leading wicket taker. He was roughly equivalent to Jimmy Anderson level.

Bumrah still has long way to go. 200 wickets is first priority.

I look at impact and ability then longevity. In such a short career so far he has helped India win many away games. Incredible player.

You can tell someone is special when he bowls especially if you have played cricket at a good grade level.

 

[Ab Fan]

I look at impact and ability then longevity. In such a short career so far he has helped India win many away games. Incredible player.

You can tell someone is special when he bowls especially if you have played cricket at a good grade level.

Bumrah's strength is his uniqueness but he has to perform for a certain period to be considered India's greatest bowler ever.

If you look at impact and ability, Zaheer has won test series in England as a standout performer and won his team a World Cup as a lead bowler. Bumrah hasn't won that.

 

[Pakhs]

It all depends on how long he plays which has been mentioned here many times before.

 

[shah_1]

I have been watching Bumrah in this test series, it reminds me of Waqar Younis. WQ was never the same bowler after back issues but was still very effective. I see the same for Bumrah. It is still clearly the best bowler of India, one of the best in the world but I see drop in pace compared to 2018-19 series in Australia.

The world wants to see the best of Bumrah, hopefully he gets back to his best

 

[Dingolfy]

I have been watching Bumrah in this test series, it reminds me of Waqar Younis. WQ was never the same bowler after back issues but was still very effective. I see the same for Bumrah. It is still clearly the best bowler of India, one of the best in the world but I see drop in pace compared to 2018-19 series in Australia.

The world wants to see the best of Bumrah, hopefully he gets back to his best

In 2018 series, he had the support of Shami and Ishanth to share the load. Now, he is bowling with rookies. So that might have contributed to the drop in pace.

 

[shah_1]

In 2018 series, he had the support of Shami and Ishanth to share the load. Now, he is bowling with rookies. So that might have contributed to the drop in pace.

Well you could be right about this

 

[sharmaji]

He has bowled the highest number of overs in this series. About 105 overs so far. Next is Pat Cummins, at about 85. Also, Cummins has support from Hazlewood and Starc, while Bumrah has none.

I won't worry about Bumrah though, India has much bigger problems.

I have been watching Bumrah in this test series, it reminds me of Waqar Younis. WQ was never the same bowler after back issues but was still very effective. I see the same for Bumrah. It is still clearly the best bowler of India, one of the best in the world but I see drop in pace compared to 2018-19 series in Australia.

The world wants to see the best of Bumrah, hopefully he gets back to his best

 

[Saurav]

Not at his best this game

 

[Ab Fan]

Given the number of injuries our bowlers already have, I think we can't even consider resting Bumrah now for home tests. He has been playing non-stop cricket since September.

 

[Saurav]

Given the number of injuries our bowlers already have, I think we can't even consider resting Bumrah now for home tests. He has been playing non-stop cricket since September.

Should rest him for 2 Tests atleast

We can win at home even with Siraj,Ishant,Saini

 

[Ab Fan]

Should rest him for 2 Tests atleast

We can win at home even with Siraj,Ishant,Saini

It can be a little risky. Might well play Bumrah for first two tests and then rest from the remaining part of that tour(including LOI leg).

By 3rd test, one of Shami or Yadav should be back if not both and you never know during the first two tests or last test of this series, some other guy may also get injured. Btw, if Jadeja misses out from that tour, Kuldeep can come in and we may not necessarily need to go for five bowlers.

 

[Pakhs]

Bowling at 128-130kph in his last 2 spells now people can understand what happened to Amir who once used to bowl close to 150kphs

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Bowling at 128-130kph in his last 2 spells now people can understand what happened to Amir who once used to bowl close to 150kphs

Bowlers who rely on strength and contraction, instead of momentum and rhythm will always have this problem.
Bumrah generates all of his pace in the last two strides, which takes a lot of strength and exertion.

Compare this to cummins, Starc and Shami who use their run up and have a good gather, hence dont get fatigued as easily.

Amir post comeback also converted himself into a contraction bowler. In his action he would stop just before his gather and hence wouldnt utilise any momentum generated through the run up.

Therefore, it isnt surprising that he has lost pace given that he doesn't have the muscle mass to bowl like that and sustain it.

 

[praveen]

Bumrah has asked so many questions this morning, he’s been unlucky. Great bowling

 

[Pakhs]

Bumrah has asked so many questions this morning, he’s been unlucky. Great bowling

He has been consistent but wickets in Australia come when you bowl around 140kphs. A lot of bowlers have bowled like Bumrah bowled and they look good and unlucky but wickets dont come.

 

[Saurav]

Bowled his heart out.Was sad to see him react to those drops.He's such a nice guy

We know how some other legend would have reacted

 

[Saurav]

He has been consistent but wickets in Australia come when you bowl around 140kphs. A lot of bowlers have bowled like Bumrah bowled and they look good and unlucky but wickets dont come.

McGrath hardly bowled 140s even in Aus

 

[andy0204]

Bowled his heart out.Was sad to see him react to those drops.He's such a nice guy

We know how some other legend would have reacted

I feel for him yesterday he got abused and today fielders disappointed him but still he kept his cool down.

 

[Ab Fan]

Bowled his heart out.Was sad to see him react to those drops.He's such a nice guy

We know how some other legend would have reacted

Good to know that. I followed only a bit of scorecard today and thought that maybe he was not trying hard due to injury concerns. Will surely catch the game tomorrow if I wake up early

 

[shah_1]

McGrath hardly bowled 140s even in Aus

He got steep bounce due to his height so can't compare him with Bumrah. Bumrah needs to bowl consistently around 140s to do well in Australia. Maybe he is fatigued after playing a long IPL season and doesn't have desired support from other fast bowlers in this series.

 

[Saurav]

I feel for him yesterday he got abused and today fielders disappointed him but still he kept his cool down.

Gabba wicket will suit him most.Hope he does well

 

[praveen]

He has been consistent but wickets in Australia come when you bowl around 140kphs. A lot of bowlers have bowled like Bumrah bowled and they look good and unlucky but wickets dont come.

His pace isn’t an issue , he was operating in high 130s consistently. He was hitting the right channels and got the false shots. Wicket columns don’t do justice to his effort yesterday , not to mention the easy drops. But it happens to every bowler now and then. He is our Trump card for the next test as he’s only getting better with every game he plays.

 

[Saurav]

He got steep bounce due to his height so can't compare him with Bumrah. Bumrah needs to bowl consistently around 140s to do well in Australia. Maybe he is fatigued after playing a long IPL season and doesn't have desired support from other fast bowlers in this series.

Not comparing.Was replying to the poster who said wickets in Aus come only if you are 140+

Bumrah's being overbowled.Use him in short bursts and he'll still be a handful

 

[TheSultan]

Very unimpressive really. I managed to catch a bit of his early spell yesterday on BT Sport. Economical and the odd decent delivery, but largely unthreatening - pace nothing special, not much movement. I was led to believe I was watching "the best bowler across all formats in the world".

Yea he had a dropped catch - so did Sami, so did Amir, so did our ridiculous current bowling attack vs NZ. Unlucky != wickets.

He's a workhorse type of bowler - in the mould of an Angus fraser / Chaminda Vaas, Peter Siddle. Decent, but unspectacular.

 

[Chrish]

This current game is hardly indicative of anything. Bowlers are tired and mentally shot after team injuries.

He is a class act. But his workload should be managed properly. What happened to his back fracture? Did he recover and alter his action?

 

[Ab Fan]

4 dropped catches in the day of
Bumrah's bowling, one by Rahane was tough but other three shouldn't have been dropped. Very poor catching from Indian team in this series.

 

[Saurav]

4 dropped catches in the day of
Bumrah's bowling, one by Rahane was tough but other three shouldn't have been dropped. Very poor catching from Indian team in this series.

Who all dropped?

 

[Pakhs]

McGrath hardly bowled 140s even in Aus

Mcgrath was one of a kind bowler who used his height to great effect Bumrah is not Mcgrath type bowler. Hazelwood is more like him.

 

[Pakhs]

His pace isn’t an issue , he was operating in high 130s consistently. He was hitting the right channels and got the false shots. Wicket columns don’t do justice to his effort yesterday , not to mention the easy drops. But it happens to every bowler now and then. He is our Trump card for the next test as he’s only getting better with every game he plays.

His pace was down to 128kph due to him bowling a lot of overs.

 

[Mobashir]

After the NZ Tour where a lot of excuses were made about fitness, he finishes this Australian tour with an average of 30, nearly the double of 2 years ago.

And that too against a not that good Australian batting line up.

Will his test performances also go down as did his ODI performances.

 

[Rajdeep]

After the NZ Tour where a lot of excuses were made about fitness, he finishes this Australian tour with an average of 30, nearly the double of 2 years ago.

And that too against a not that good Australian batting line up.

Will his test performances also go down as did his ODI performances.

You are just being jealous. Anyone that has seen all the matches live would testify that Bumrah bowled brilliantly this series. With all the main bowlers around him out injured where he needed to do the donkey work, he picks 11 wickets in 3 matches with an avg of 29.36. You are simply nit picking stats to undermine him...lol.

And not too good batting line up? Isn't this the full strength Aussie batting line up? So who was missing?

Bumrah is the best Asian fast bowler till date to have toured in Australia and better than the likes of Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib or anyone else. Its a reality.

 

[Mobashir]

You are just being jealous. Anyone that has seen all the matches live would testify that Bumrah bowled brilliantly this series. With all the main bowlers around him out injured where he needed to do the donkey work, he picks 11 wickets in 3 matches with an avg of 29.36. You are simply nit picking stats to undermine him...lol.

And not too good batting line up? Isn't this the full strength Aussie batting line up? So who was missing?

Bumrah is the best Asian fast bowler till date to have toured in Australia and better than the likes of Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib or anyone else. Its a reality.

I am quite sure I have watched the test series live more than anyone on this forum, maybe even people in Australia so that goes out of the window.

Secondly, I have never said he hasn't bowled well, I actually think he has bowled better than the stats show.

But you can't argue that there is a deep between a performance of around 16 and now around 30.

Full strength Australian batting means great batting line up?
I didn't even wanted to go in an argument, just wanted to know what other people think.

 

[Jeetlodil]

One and only ever. Kapil Dev

 

[TheSultan]

One and only ever. Kapil Dev

Yup Kapil all the way. No Indian comes close. After all these years with all the chest beating about the MRF (medium) “pace” academy, no one has surpassed Kapil yet.

 

[Dingolfy]

I am quite sure I have watched the test series live more than anyone on this forum, maybe even people in Australia so that goes out of the window.

Secondly, I have never said he hasn't bowled well, I actually think he has bowled better than the stats show.

But you can't argue that there is a deep between a performance of around 16 and now around 30.

Full strength Australian batting means great batting line up?
I didn't even wanted to go in an argument, just wanted to know what other people think.

Last time he had the support of Shami and Ishant and this time he bowled with rookies. So that might have contributed to the higher average as fast bowlers need good support.

 

[TheSultan]

Last time he had the support of Shami and Ishant and this time he bowled with rookies. So that might have contributed to the higher average as fast bowlers need good support.

Kapil never needed support. To blame support is “soft”

 

[Dingolfy]

Kapil never needed support. To blame support is “soft”

Kapil bowled in a different era where pitches and batsmen were different.

 

[Revolution]

After the NZ Tour where a lot of excuses were made about fitness, he finishes this Australian tour with an average of 30, nearly the double of 2 years ago.

And that too against a not that good Australian batting line up.

Will his test performances also go down as did his ODI performances.

Keep this thread active with these type of comments

 

[Ab Fan]

I am quite sure I have watched the test series live more than anyone on this forum, maybe even people in Australia so that goes out of the window.

Secondly, I have never said he hasn't bowled well, I actually think he has bowled better than the stats show.

But you can't argue that there is a deep between a performance of around 16 and now around 30.

Full strength Australian batting means great batting line up?
I didn't even wanted to go in an argument, just wanted to know what other people think.

Just to put things further into perspective,

Pat Cummins in 2018-19 home series against full strength India averaged almost 28 with the bowl.

In India away series, he averaged 29 with the bowl and actually he bowled well in that series.

 

[Hasan123]

India will certainly miss Bumrah when he isn't playing. He is a brilliant bowler.

 

[avihash]

Just to put things further into perspective,

Pat Cummins in 2018-19 home series against full strength India averaged almost 28 with the bowl.

In India away series, he averaged 29 with the bowl and actually he bowled well in that series.

Some attacks have been humiliated by these same aus batsmen. Consecutive defeats by innings ; attack surrendered meekly.

Bumrah has been fantastic though.

 

[Ab Fan]

Some attacks have been humiliated by these same aus batsmen. Consecutive defeats by innings ; attack surrendered meekly.

Bumrah has been fantastic though.

Yeah lol, I remember. Last year in Brisbane when another side toured to Australia, Aussies posted 580 runs on board in first inning against that bowling while the attack comprising net bowlers like Natarajan, Thakur and Sundar have reduced Australia under 370.

 

[ManFan]

Bumrah is India’s greatest fast bowler.

Great player; would love for him to return to his old form though.

 

[Saurav]

Going to miss him tomorrow

This attack is too inexperienced

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Jasprit Bumrah may be rested for white-ball matches against England - Reports

Bumrah was rested for the second Test at Chepauk, which India won by 317 runs to level the four-match series 1-1.

India's senior speedster Jasprit Bumrah is likely to be rested for the eight white-ball matches against England as part of the team's extensive workload management programme. The matches are scheduled for March.


Bumrah was rested for the second Test at Chepauk, which India won by 317 runs to level the four-match series 1-1.

However, Bumrah will be back in action for the upcoming two high-stakes Test matches in Ahmedabad, which will decide New Zealand's opposition in the inaugural World Test Championship final.

It is almost certain that the Indian think-tank (head coach Ravi Shastri, skipper Virat Kohli and bowling coach Bharath Arun) along with the trainers and physios would take a final call on resting the pace spearhead, keeping a gruelling season in mind.

"Jassi has already bowled close to 180 overs, including nearly 150 overs (149.4 overs) in four Test matches (till first Test versus England) since the start of the Australian tour.




Bumrah was rested for the second Test at Chepauk, which India won by 317 runs to level the four-match series 1-1.

However, Bumrah will be back in action for the upcoming two high-stakes Test matches in Ahmedabad, which will decide New Zealand's opposition in the inaugural World Test Championship final.

It is almost certain that the Indian think-tank (head coach Ravi Shastri, skipper Virat Kohli and bowling coach Bharath Arun) along with the trainers and physios would take a final call on resting the pace spearhead, keeping a gruelling season in mind.

"Jassi has already bowled close to 180 overs, including nearly 150 overs (149.4 overs) in four Test matches (till first Test versus England) since the start of the Australian tour.


"Add to that, the number of hours spent on the field. It is only logical that after these two Tests in Motera, where he will have a big role to play, he should be given rest for white-ball leg," a senior BCCI official, privy to the developments, told PTI on condition of anonymity.

The logic behind resting Bumrah for the white ball leg is simple. The five T20 Internationals and three ODIs against England will be the last chance for Indian team management to have a look at all potential players going into this year's World Cup.

"Bhuvneshwar Kumar might make a comeback and Mohammed Shami after a break will play a few white-ball games. Nattu (T Natarajan) and Saini will also come back in the white-ball teams. As far as Jassi is concerned, he can well get ready playing 14 to 16 high-intensity IPL games for Mumbai Indians," the source said.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...inst-england-reports-101613489072509-amp.html


Wow so he will play high intensity useless Pyjama League matches but will continue to take rest in Internationals lol. It's upto him to either become India's greatest ever bowler or Pyjama League's greatest ever bowler lol.

 

[Ab Fan]

Makes sense. He doesn't need to play meaningless bilaterals, he is coming from 5 months long bubble and played limited overs series and a couple of pivotal test series too.

With a total of 6 test matches in a span of two months, it is important that he takes some rest away from bubble as in the second half of the season, he will be having very heavy schedule with Test Championship final, England tour, WT20, New Zealand series and ultimately the final frontier, South Africa tour.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Makes sense. He doesn't need to play meaningless bilaterals, he is coming from 5 months long bubble and played limited overs series and a couple of pivotal test series too.

With a total of 6 test matches in a span of two months, it is important that he takes some rest away from bubble as in the second half of the season, he will be having very heavy schedule with Test Championship final, England tour, WT20, New Zealand series and ultimately the final frontier, South Africa tour.

Heavy schedule? What's your opinion on this?

As far as Jassi is concerned, he can well get ready playing 14 to 16 high-intensity IPL games for Mumbai Indians," the source said.

 

[Ab Fan]

Heavy schedule? What's your opinion on this?

As far as Jassi is concerned, he can well get ready playing 14 to 16 high-intensity IPL games for Mumbai Indians," the source said.

No Indian cricketer will miss that. Definitely not with WT20 this year.

Tests and T20s are important formats for them for this year. Tests will always be important and T20s are important because of WT20.

There is another point that Bumrah's action is not the smoothest out there and hence if India plays him like a workhorse, it can hurt them. But this kind of treatment is given to all fast bowlers of elite team. Cummins and Hazelwood were also rested well during the T20 series before the test series started two months.

Bumrah has taken over 100 ODI wickets and 59 T20I wickets, that is certainly higher than the number of wickets the likes of Cummins or Rabada have got while in tests Bumrah is behind in tests count because in India, all three formats are prioritised based on which tournament is more recent.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Great plan.
That's how we should use our best fast bowler.
Archer, Cummins, Rabada don't play every loi series and Bumrah should receive similar treatment.
As for ipl, Archer, Cummins, Rabada play each and every match in ipl coz it's where they make money.
After watching a full IPL season (2020) I can easily say that it's on par with t20 world cup.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Great plan.
That's how we should use our best fast bowler.
Archer, Cummins, Rabada don't play every loi series and Bumrah should receive similar treatment.
As for ipl, Archer, Cummins, Rabada play each and every match in ipl coz it's where they make money.
After watching a full IPL season (2020) I can easily say that it's on par with t20 world cup.

No it's not. If that was the case we would have won at least 1 T20 World Cup after IPL started. It's been more than 13 years already since we won any T20 World Cup. Can we expect to win next World Cup because our players will have much needed practice in this year's Pyjama league?

 

[Shafi]

I think Bumra is the 2nd best fast bowler for India behind Kapil Dev. He is far superior and skillful bowler than Shami, Zaheer and Srinath.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No Indian cricketer will miss that. Definitely not with WT20 this year.

Tests and T20s are important formats for them for this year. Tests will always be important and T20s are important because of WT20.

There is another point that Bumrah's action is not the smoothest out there and hence if India plays him like a workhorse, it can hurt them. But this kind of treatment is given to all fast bowlers of elite team. Cummins and Hazelwood were also rested well during the T20 series before the test series started two months.

Bumrah has taken over 100 ODI wickets and 59 T20I wickets, that is certainly higher than the number of wickets the likes of Cummins or Rabada have got while in tests Bumrah is behind in tests count because in India, all three formats are prioritised based on which tournament is more recent.

You yourself said he will be having very heavy schedule with Test Championship final, England tour, WT20, New Zealand series and ultimately the final frontier, South Africa tour.

Bumrah is very prone to injuries why is he wasting his energy on useless Pyjama league matches that too before important upcoming tours and T20. He just have to play 2-3 IT20's for match practice before World Cup. Why play useless 20 matches, travel in every part of the country and get injured once again before England tour? If he wants to take a rest he should take it during IPL not during the ongoing series.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

No it's not. If that was the case we would have won at least 1 T20 World Cup after IPL started. It's been more than 13 years already since we won any T20 World Cup. Can we expect to win next World Cup because our players will have much needed practice in this year's Pyjama league?

I think IPL is pretty close to the T20 world cup. The only thing separating it is lack of team spirit when playing for your country, and the synergy of teammates. Also IPL lowers its quality a little bit by including too many local Indians (which is good for India even if it’s bad for the league’s quality).

Also some people treat it like a paid vacation

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think Bumra is the 2nd best fast bowler for India behind Kapil Dev. He is far superior and skillful bowler than Shami, Zaheer and Srinath.

But he is wasting his energy on useless IPL matches.

 

[Shafi]

But he is wasting his energy on useless IPL matches.

Exactly!!! Now-a-days players are money hungry individuals. Loads of money don't satisfy their hunger.

 

[OMB]

Exactly!!! Now-a-days players are money hungry individuals. Loads of money don't satisfy their hunger.

Woh to sab professionals hai na. Not only Bumrah.
As far as India's greatest ever bowler, he has to surpass Kapil Dev and Anil Kumble. Due to his accuracy and impact, I would rate him higher than Zaheer Khan and Srinath who were great Indian bowlers in their own right.

 

[Ab Fan]

You yourself said he will be having very heavy schedule with Test Championship final, England tour, WT20, New Zealand series and ultimately the final frontier, South Africa tour.

Bumrah is very prone to injuries why is he wasting his energy on useless Pyjama league matches that too before important upcoming tours and T20. He just have to play 2-3 IT20's for match practice before World Cup. Why play useless 20 matches, travel in every part of the country and get injured once again before England tour? If he wants to take a rest he should take it during IPL not during the ongoing series.

He gets money, respect, popularity and fame for playing in IPL. No other domestic league command a stature of IPL which is also why no player is foolish enough to leave out IPL. He understands that the importance of formats are in the order as Tests >major ICC ODI tournaments > WT20> IPL>>>>bilateral useless T20.

Rashid Khan plays for Afghanistan and nobody would have even mentioned or considered him as best T20 bowler of the last decade but ICC understands the value and benchmark of IPL, which is why he was nominated as the T20 player of the decade for his performance in Sunrisers Hyderabad.

Bumrah and every other cricketer knows the value of IPL in their lives and hence they won't mind skipping a few bilateral ODIs/T20s in name of trying some other guys and play all the IPL matches.

Let's go 10 years back when one of the most destructive opening batsman from subcontinent did something similar. Sehwag had some injuries in 2011 for which he had to do a surgery and at that time, IPL was still new and not as big a brand as it is now. Yet he decided to play the IPL and was part of his Delhi Daredevils IPL team for about 10-11 games. After that, he knew that they were not going to qualify and hence left for his shoulder surgery.

Had he missed the IPL completely that year, he would have done his surgery earlier and would have been completely fit by England test series. But guess what he was only fit after two tests were over and even in third test, he wasn't completely fit but played the match and scored 0 & 0 in that game.

To conclude, nobody is going to miss the IPL whatever the reasons maybe. It is an important part of their schedule and they get a good financial draw so they won't miss it.

 

[AMSS]

He's 27. I can see him playing no more than 5-6 tests a year till he signs off. Only the marquee test series. I see him being the architect of some of the most memorable Indian wins going forward but he would certainly not be a statistical monster in terms of wickets taken.

 

[MenInG]

Bumrah conceded 56 runs in his quota of four overs and picked up one wicket. It was one of his most forgetful days in IPL to date!

 

[Firebat]

India's gun fast bowler Jasprit Bumrah has had a dream start to his Test career. Bumrah has been ticking the right boxes and he has breathed down the neck of the opposition batsmen with his pace and awkward action. The ace quick has done a fine job for the Indian team in all the conditions.

Bumrah has scalped 83 wickets in 19 Test matches at an impressive average of 22.11. The right-arm fast bowler has also taken five five-wicket hauls in the Test format.

Meanwhile, former Indian World Cup-winning captain Kapil Dev is the fastest Indian fast bowler to take 100 wickets. Dev achieved the milestone in 25 Test matches and thus Bumrah will have a chance to break the former all-rounder's record during the upcoming tour of England.

 

[Ab Fan]

Arguably the best all format bowler of this generation. Rabada and Cummins aren't that great in LOIs and Archer isn't in tests.

However, after a few years, Bumrah will have to give up one of LOI format. I understand that giving up IPL is not possible as the stakes are very high hence he must give up one format, maybe ODIs after winning the 2023 WC and focus on tests full-time when in his 30s like Ishant has been doing from past 4-5 years.

 

[shamaan]

Arguably the best all format bowler of this generation. Rabada and Cummins aren't that great in LOIs and Archer isn't in tests.

However, after a few years, Bumrah will have to give up one of LOI format. I understand that giving up IPL is not possible as the stakes are very high hence he must give up one format, maybe ODIs after winning the 2023 WC and focus on tests full-time when in his 30s like Ishant has been doing from past 4-5 years.

I think shaheen has the best chance to be the best all format bowler.

 

[Last Monetarist]

He's wasted the new ball today.

 

[MP2011]

Looks completely misfit for bowling in English conditions. However there are still potentially 11.5 innings left for him to change that perception.

 

[street cricketer]

I might be wrong here but I don't think he is suited to english conditions.

Bowlers who are quicker through the air always tend to struggle a bit in english conditions. My theory is that lesser speed allows for a more perfect seam position and also allows for more time for the ball to swing in the air. Even Steyn was least effective in England compared to other countries. Rabada hasn't been as good in England as he is in SA, Starc and Mitchell Johnson always struggled in England.

Best Bumrah can do is reduce his pace, and try to do a Matt Henry - try to hit the seam on a three quarter length as much as possible and let the seam deviation do the tricks.

 

[Smudger]

I might be wrong here but I don't think he is suited to english conditions.

Bowlers who are quicker through the air always tend to struggle a bit in english conditions. My theory is that lesser speed allows for a more perfect seam position and also allows for more time for the ball to swing in the air. Even Steyn was least effective in England compared to other countries. Rabada hasn't been as good in England as he is in SA, Starc and Mitchell Johnson always struggled in England.

Best Bumrah can do is reduce his pace, and try to do a Matt Henry - try to hit the seam on a three quarter length as much as possible and let the seam deviation do the tricks.

Not really. Have a look at Patt Cummins. He bowled brilliantly in Eng.

 

[Space Cat]

New Zealand seem to play Bumrah pretty well so far in his career. It has been the same story in ODIs.

 

[street cricketer]

Not really. Have a look at Patt Cummins. He bowled brilliantly in Eng.

Exception than the norm. The most effective seamers in England have been those who bowl under 140, unlike in Australia where you need to be above 140 to be very effective.

You could say that that's only because most of England's seamers are medium pacers. But even among other countries, the most successful bowlers in England have been Philander for SA, Boult for NZ, Bhuvi for India and Abbas for Pak. All of them operate under 140ks. Only Cummins is an exception because he's an exceptional bowler.

 

[Smudger]

Exception than the norm. The most effective seamers in England have been those who bowl under 140, unlike in Australia where you need to be above 140 to be very effective.

You could say that that's only because most of England's seamers are medium pacers. But even among other countries, the most successful bowlers in England have been Philander for SA, Boult for NZ, Bhuvi for India and Abbas for Pak. All of them operate under 140ks. Only Cummins is an exception because he's an exceptional bowler.

Hazlewood and Archer both are hit the deck kinda bowlers and they were very good in Eng. Even Bumrah was exceptional in 2018. I think Bumrah is not the same he was in 2018. He has been worked out a bit