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Dassault delivers first Rafale to India

Your pilots and air force are pretty rubbish when it comes to actual strategic combat as we found out in Feb.

Besides in any large scale war missiles are the key, stopping them is what India needs.

Not a problem. My pilot brought down a F-16 with a MiG 21. There is a huge difference between repelling a raid and undertaking an offensive.

Indian missile defence program has made great progress. try looking it up. Why do you think Imran returned our pilot so soon?
 
Not a problem. My pilot brought down a F-16 with a MiG 21. There is a huge difference between repelling a raid and undertaking an offensive.

Indian missile defence program has made great progress. try looking it up. Why do you think Imran returned our pilot so soon?

Your pilot and your RSS PM have amazing dreams which you and thier fans accept. :)

India has no missile defence system to counter what Pakistan has now. :)
 
Your pilots and air force are pretty rubbish when it comes to actual strategic combat as we found out in Feb.

Besides in any large scale war missiles are the key, stopping them is what India needs.

One downed old mig means IAF is rubbish. Lol. Dil behlane ko khayal achha hay
 
Not a problem. My pilot brought down a F-16 with a MiG 21. There is a huge difference between repelling a raid and undertaking an offensive.

Indian missile defence program has made great progress. try looking it up. Why do you think Imran returned our pilot so soon?
Lol at bringing down f-16.

Don’t be so gullible. Don’t take Pakistan’s word on it. Take anyone’s (apart from Indian sources) word. Heck when even biggest Indian supporter and anti Pakistan academics christine Fair says such news in hogwash you know Indians are losing it
 
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Your pilots and air force are pretty rubbish when it comes to actual strategic combat as we found out in Feb.

Besides in any large scale war missiles are the key, stopping them is what India needs.

Knowing the IAF they will be crashing their Rafael plane soon in the usual training exercise :))
 
They don’t need to.

Pakistan and India will never engage is a long war. If they actually do and India is dominating like the RAF did against the Luftwaffe, eventually Pakistan will play its final ace and launch a nuke.

It just won’t happen. These toys are to show off at Air Force parades

IThese nuke threats work with countries that dont have nukes. Any nuke threat and India may do a pre emptive strike.

It has happened and it will happen in future.

Any massive terror attack and India will retaliate on the pakistan armed forces.
 
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Shastra Puja is.am ancient Indian tradition.

Shame on people for making fun of Indian values. Never forget your roots.

BJP may have many flaws and their ****** may ne brain dead but you cannot deny the fact that BJP has helped revive dying Hindutva in India.

Although I differ with their version of Hindutva but they have made significant contribution even if it is merely 1% and mostly stupidity for example cow urine cures cancer as per Ayurvedic I reject such Hindutva. Dont you dare
 
Withing few months the S 400 are to be delivered. And within a year or so the Israeli Barak 8 will be deployed.

Talks are on for the NASAMS as well.

Add to that the Indian missile defence system.

Actually its pakistan that has no counter to missiles.

There is no foolproof defence system against ICBMs. Even the US doesn’t haven one, hence why they were doing R&D using lasers.
 
IThese nuke threats work with countries that dont have nukes. Any nuke threat and India may do a pre emptive strike.

It has happened and it will happen in future.

Any massive terror attack and India will retaliate on the pakistan armed forces.

To what extent? They still have not avenged Pulwama -40 and -7 army officials.

I’m sure they will beat the drum In their loud media.
 
yup that was loud enough for your Indian Army to do the PC ...

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Only an ignorant and blind follower would believe what RSS inspired government put out.

Waste of time.
 
Dassault Rafale is Hindu
INS Vikrant is Christian (I read that it was baptised by former defence minister AK.Antony's wife)
Tejas is Muslim (Quran was read during its inauguration)

India is progressing at rocket pace. God(s) are driving our armed forces.
 
Dassault Rafale is Hindu
INS Vikrant is Christian (I read that it was baptised by former defence minister AK.Antony's wife)
Tejas is Muslim (Quran was read during its inauguration)

India is progressing at rocket pace. God(s) are driving our armed forces.

need a Sikh blessing soon otherwise Khalistan movement will be back again... :))
 
No.

There is a tender out for another 114 as well.

But didn't Rafale win the initial tender for the the full number of aircrafts? The deal only fell apart because India wasn’t willing to pay the increased cost that the French wanted for the full 126.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rafale wins $ 10.4 bn IAF deal to supply 126 jets <a href="http://t.co/9GtJmXEN">http://t.co/9GtJmXEN</a></p>— News18 (@CNNnews18) <a href="https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/164318369057751040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2012</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Shastra Puja is.am ancient Indian tradition.

Shame on people for making fun of Indian values. Never forget your roots.

BJP may have many flaws and their ****** may ne brain dead but you cannot deny the fact that BJP has helped revive dying Hindutva in India.

Although I differ with their version of Hindutva but they have made significant contribution even if it is merely 1% and mostly stupidity for example cow urine cures cancer as per Ayurvedic I reject such Hindutva. Dont you dare

It's completely irrelevant w.r.t. a modern fighter jets. And no they have not revived any tradition of value where it matters except symbolic gestures for masses. What they however have done is fiercely exploited the one dimensional politics of incumbent parties and beaten them in public populism, just that in this case appealing to the majority Hindu population which the existing political structure took for granted.

That is the reason why traditional politicians are frustrated as they have been masters of such antics in past and could not imagine that BJP will come and not only beat them in their own game of symbolism but also leave them clueless without any counter options.

As some commentators have already predicted that it's the mismanagement of economy that is likely to bring downfall of BJP in future.
 
India should have got French pilots too with the deal. I can forsee many technical issues #TechniqiKharabi with these jets when the likes of Abhinandan fly them :)
 
Where are Muslim, Christian, and Buddhist Rafal?

Does India not have Muslim, Christian and Buddhist pilots?

Out of curiosity why are Hindu rituals and prayers being performed in this instance. Why not a Christian, Sikh or Muslim prayer?

Yesterday was Ayudha Puja or Astra Puja, a part of Navratri. Isn't it celebrated by Pakistani Hindus? It means worship of tools, instruments, weapons.

When the jet comes to India I am sure it will be blessed by priests from all religions, a tradition here. There will be a Pandit, Father, Maulvi, Granthi, and sometimes representatives of other religions but these 4 are always represented. Not today or yesterday, common during Congress era as well.

Indian secularism is incorporating all religions rather than devoid of all religions. I don't believe in these traditions but if others want to I don't mind.

Pictures from some time back when Tejas was inducted
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You will find many other such pictures on the net, whenever something new is inducted, a passenger plane, train, industry or new building. Privately people have their own rituals after buying a car or house, it has become a part of culture transcending religion. Before start of long journey, the driver breaks a coconut, I have seen Muslim cab drivers do that in TN. Lemon/green chilli, coconuts, perfumed water, talisman to ward off evil eye, these beliefs go beyond Hindu/Muslim/Christian at least in India.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">'Sarva Dharma Puja' conducted at the Rafale induction ceremony, at IAF airbase in Ambala<br><br>Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, Minister of the Armed Forces of France Florence Parly and Air Force Chief Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria present. <a href="https://t.co/Bu2A54z8HD">pic.twitter.com/Bu2A54z8HD</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1303922599676706818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WATCH?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WATCH</a> Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and Minister of the Armed Forces of France Florence Parly, witness the traditional 'Sarva Dharma Puja' at the Rafale induction ceremony, at Ambala airbase <a href="https://t.co/0z74ECflJd">pic.twitter.com/0z74ECflJd</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1303921641529909248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rafale induction Live: 'Sarva Dharma Puja' performed at Ambala air base ahead of IAF entry<a href="https://t.co/t8Hnmdp1aL">https://t.co/t8Hnmdp1aL</a> <a href="https://t.co/equyqlW3ll">pic.twitter.com/equyqlW3ll</a></p>— India TV (@indiatvnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/indiatvnews/status/1303923237370224640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sarva Dharma Puja as is tradition.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the Final Induction Ceremony the world’s best combat proven 4.5Gen fighter plane gets the world’s best fighter pilots. In the hands of our pilots and the mix of different aircrafts with the IAF the potent bird’s lethality will only increase.</p>— Mahendra Singh Dhoni (@msdhoni) <a href="https://twitter.com/msdhoni/status/1303948918296895489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
How big a deal is this in India? Its being made into some sort of a national occasion? Wonder if a public holiday will be declared also

Yom-e-Rafael maybe?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the Final Induction Ceremony the world’s best combat proven 4.5Gen fighter plane gets the world’s best fighter pilots. In the hands of our pilots and the mix of different aircrafts with the IAF the potent bird’s lethality will only increase.</p>— Mahendra Singh Dhoni (@msdhoni) <a href="https://twitter.com/msdhoni/status/1303948918296895489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

In the hands of the Indian pilots, nothing could possibly go wrong.
 
How big a deal is this in India? Its being made into some sort of a national occasion? Wonder if a public holiday will be declared also

Yom-e-Rafael maybe?

Pretty silly by the Indians, agreed. How in the world is the induction of 7 Rafale's into IAF a game changer against China ? It is not.

Indians had the American offer for Patriot, Thaad missile shields and F35s, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO we decided to stick with our S400s which apparently has Chinese electronics in it...

Indians are a lost cause in so many ways, no one has our supreme ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory......

Jai Hind
 
But didn't Rafale win the initial tender for the the full number of aircrafts? The deal only fell apart because India wasn’t willing to pay the increased cost that the French wanted for the full 126.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rafale wins $ 10.4 bn IAF deal to supply 126 jets <a href="http://t.co/9GtJmXEN">http://t.co/9GtJmXEN</a></p>— News18 (@CNNnews18) <a href="https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/164318369057751040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2012</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The initial 10.4 Billion dollar deal for the 124 Rafale under the Congress government was basically for the airframe and engine, it had no upgrades at all and was bare bone. The reason why the 36 which was purchased recently after scrapping the 124 initial Rafale order is because they have had almost all upgrades done to them hence the high $$$$$ cost for a lot less birds...
 
The initial 10.4 Billion dollar deal for the 124 Rafale under the Congress government was basically for the airframe and engine, it had no upgrades at all and was bare bone. The reason why the 36 which was purchased recently after scrapping the 124 initial Rafale order is because they have had almost all upgrades done to them hence the high $$$$$ cost for a lot less birds...

Oh okay.

This is good news for the Indian Air Force but thanks to decades of mismanagement by politicians (across the divide) this isn’t a game changer like some are trying to claim. The addition of just 36 jets will not dramatically modify the balance of power in the region - India needs 100s of jets to do that.
 
Oh okay.

This is good news for the Indian Air Force but thanks to decades of mismanagement by politicians (across the divide) this isn’t a game changer like some are trying to claim. The addition of just 36 jets will not dramatically modify the balance of power in the region - India needs 100s of jets to do that.

Even a 100 Rafale's wont be a game changer imo, Maybe 200 which equates to 20 Squadrons. However India cannot afford fully upgraded 200 Rafales. To be honest we need to get away from this old Russian junk tech and look into trying to get the F35s. Make a deal with the Americans so they can buy the S400s of us, which Americans will use for trail/error purposes or just destroy it and in return we can buy the F35s of them. Think about it, China is also using the S400s and we are buying the S400s also, Russians are very dependent on Chinese money, I mean hellloo ??? Aren't the Indians alarmed at this scenario ??????
 
Even a 100 Rafale's wont be a game changer imo, Maybe 200 which equates to 20 Squadrons. However India cannot afford fully upgraded 200 Rafales. To be honest we need to get away from this old Russian junk tech and look into trying to get the F35s. Make a deal with the Americans so they can buy the S400s of us, which Americans will use for trail/error purposes or just destroy it and in return we can buy the F35s of them. Think about it, China is also using the S400s and we are buying the S400s also, Russians are very dependent on Chinese money, I mean hellloo ??? Aren't the Indians alarmed at this scenario ??????

If we can get a 100 F35s we will smoke the Chinese, it wont even be close..
 
Is it true that a rafale has crashed in India and 2 pilots dead?
 
Cong Seeks Independent Probe After French Expose On €1Million Kickback In Rafale Deal

Congress media cell chief Randeep Singh Surjewala told reporters that the ‘allegations of causing loss to the exchequer, bribery and payment of commission in India’s biggest defence deal once again stare in the face of the Modi government’

An expose by French news portal mediapart.fr alleging kickbacks to the tune of 1.1 million Euros by Rafale manufacturer Dassault Aviation to an Indian defence company has, once again, encouraged the Congress party to demand an investigation into questions of financial impropriety in the controversial fighter jet deal.

The alleged lack of transparency in various aspects of the Rafale deal, particularly the price at which the Indian government finally agreed to buy the jets and the choice of an Anil Ambani-led Reliance group company as Dassault’s offset partner in India, had led Congress leader Rahul Gandhi to launch a sustained attack against the Narendra Modi government in the run-up to the 2019 Lok Sabha polls. The government has maintained all along that allegations of graft in the deal are unfounded. The Supreme Court too had upheld the Centre's contention and refused to order an inquiry into the different aspects of the deal.

Though the Mediapart report, first in a three-part investigative series that went online on April 4, doesn’t yet make any comments about Anil Ambani’s company, the claim that kickbacks worth 1.1 million Euros were paid by Dassault Aviation has helped Congress cry vindication of its stand. On Monday, Congress media cell chief Randeep Singh Surjewala told reporters that the “allegations of causing loss to the exchequer, bribery and payment of commission in India’s biggest defence deal once again stare in the face of the Modi government”.

Surjewala quoted excerpts from the Mediapart report, titled “Sale of French Rafale jet fighters to India: how a state scandal was buried”, claiming that an investigation conducted by the French anti-corruption agency – Agence Française Anticorruption (AFA) – has revealed that after signing the deal in 2016, Dassault paid 1.1 million Euros to an Indian company called Defsys solutions. The amount paid to Defsys, which the report says is a company owned by “the Gupta family, whose members have acted as middlemen in the aeronautical and defence industries for three generations”, was shown by Dassault under the head “gifts to clients”.

According to the Mediapart report, on March 30, 2017, Dassault explained to the AFA that the “gift” was actually a payment made to Defsys for manufacture of 50 Rafale models. However, the AFA reportedly posed three questions to Dassault – why had the Rafale manufacturer asked Defsys to make models of its own aircraft priced at 20000 Euros a piece, why this expenditure was entered under the category of “gift to client” and finally, were these models ever made? Dassault, according to Mediapart, was unable to provide the AFA with a “single document showing that these models existed and were delivered”.



The Mediapart report states: “As they combed through the 2017 accounts (of Dassault) the AFA inspectors raised an eyebrow when they came across an item of expenditure costing 508,925 Euros and entered under the heading “gifts to clients”. This amount “seemed disproportionate in relation to all the other entries” under the same heading… To justify this larger than usual “gift” Dassault supplied the AFA with a proforma invoice dated March 30th 2017 which was supplied by an Indian company called Defsys Solutions. This invoice, which related to 50% of the total order (€1,017,850), was for the manufacture of 50 models of the Rafale C, with a price per unit of €20,357.”

About the Defsys group’s Indian owners, the Mediapart report states: “In January 2019 the Indian media – first Cobrapost and then the Economic Times – revealed that one family member, Sushen Gupta, operated as an agent for Dassault, had worked on the Rafale contract and had allegedly obtained confidential documents from India’s Ministry of Defence.” The report goes on to say, “By coincidence, it was this middleman who sent the 1 million Euro invoice for the jet fighter models to Dassault six months after the September 2016 signing of the Rafale deal by the French defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian and his Indian counterpart Manohar Parrikar… In March 2019, Sushen Gupta was arrested by agents from the Enforcement Directorate… He was later freed on bail facing charges of money laundering over the so-called ‘Choppergate’ corruption scandal involving the sale of helicopters to India by the Italian-British group AgustaWestland.”

On the basis of the revelations, Surjewala questioned whether “a full and independent investigation into India’s biggest defence deal to find out as to how much bribery and commission in reality, if any, was paid and to whom in the Indian government was not required now?” The Congress chief spokesperson added that when similar allegations of kickbacks and impropriety were made public with regard to the AgustaWestland chopper deal during the UPA regime, then defence minister AK Antony had followed the standard procedure by cancelling the deal and ordering an investigation. “Should the same procedure not be followed now with regard to Rafale… the Prime Minister must clarify on this,” Surjewala said. He added, “Any evidence of middleman or commission or bribery has serious penal consequences of banning of the supplier defence company, cancellation of contract, registration of FIR and imposition of heavy financial penalties on the defence supplier company.”

https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/india-news-cong-seeks-independent-probe-after-french-expose-on-1million-kickback-in-rafale-deal/379342
 
https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/indian-air-force-iaf-gets-three-more-rafale-aircraft-report/763243

A batch of three Rafale fighter aircraft landed in India on Thursday after taking off from Bordeaux, France, the Indian Air Force (IAF) sources were quoted as saying by news agency ANI. According to reports, the three aircraft landed at Ambala airbase on Thursday, thus taking the total number of delivered fighter jets to 23. This is the sixth batch of Rafale fighter aircraft received by the IAF.

India signed a contract for 36 fighter jets with French defence major Dassault in 2016, during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to France.

According to a report in Hindustan Times, four aircraft were slated to reach India, however, only three jets took off due to the unavailability of mid-air refuellers. It may be noted that the IAF is expecting deliveries of all 36 fighter jets by April 2022. The fighter jets were formally inducted into the IAF in September 2020. The first five Rafale aircraft which arrived at Air Force Station, Ambala from France on July 27, 2020, are a part of 17 Squadron, the “Golden Arrows”.

“The Rafale jets were purchased when they fully met the operational requirements of the IAF. The baseless allegations against this procurement have already been answered and settled... If it is anyone who should be worried about or critical about this new capability of the Indian Air Force, it should be those who want to threaten our territorial integrity,” Defence Minister Rajnath Singh had said after receiving the first batch of Rafales.
 
Rafale fighter jets to be inducted into Indian Air Force by 2022, says Bhadauria

India had signed an inter-governmental deal with France to buy 36 of these fighter jets at a cost of ₹59,000 crore in September 2016.


Indian Air Force (IAF) chief RKS Bhadauria on Saturday said the IAF is on its target to induct all the 36 Rafale fighter jets by 2022.

Speaking after reviewing the Combined Graduation Parade (CGP) at the Air Force Academy in Dundigal in Hyderabad, Bhadauria said, "The target is 2022. It is absolutely on target. I mentioned earlier. Except for one or two aircraft, minor delays because of Covid-related issues, but, in fact, some deliveries have been ahead of time. So, broadly, we are absolutely on target on the Rafale induction plan. On the operationalisation plan, you are aware, we are fully operational.. so, in terms of time, we will be absolutely on time."

India had signed an inter-governmental deal with France to buy 36 of these fighter jets at a cost of ₹59,000 crore in September 2016.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/rafale-fighter-jets-to-be-inducted-into-indian-air-force-by-2022-says-bhadauria-101624093362394.html
 
Fresh batch of 3 Rafale fighter jets land in India after flying 7,000 km non-stop from France

New Delhi: A fresh batch of three Rafale fighter jets landed in India on Wednesday evening after flying almost 7,000 km non-stop from France, in a further boost to the air power capability of the Indian Air Force.

The aircraft were provided mid-air refuelling by air force tankers of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), the IAF said.

"Three Rafale aircraft arrived in India a short while ago, after a direct ferry from Istres Air Base, France. IAF deeply appreciates the support by UAE Air Force for in-flight refuelling during the non-stop ferry," the IAF said.

This is the seventh set of these planes. The first batch of five French-made multirole Rafale fighter jets had arrived in India on July 29 last year, nearly four years after India signed an inter-governmental agreement with France to purchase 36 of the aircraft at a cost of Rs 59,000 crore.

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh had earlier said induction of the jets was crucial considering the atmosphere being created along the frontier and that it is a "big and stern" message to those eyeing India's sovereignty.

"The induction of Rafale jets is a big and stern message for the entire world, especially to those eyeing our sovereignty. This kind of induction is very important for the kind of atmosphere that has been created on our borders," Singh said

"We understand very well that with changing times, we also have to prepare ourselves. I feel proud to say that our national security has been a big priority of Prime Minister Narendra Modi," Singh said.

The multirole Rafale jets, built by French aerospace major Dassault Aviation, are known for air-superiority and precision strikes.

The delivery of all 36 Rafale jets is scheduled to be completed by the end of 2021. Among 36 aircraft, 30 will be fighter jets and six will be trainers.

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...ghter-jets-arrive-in-india-from-france/788370
 
Interesting to note that the UAE airforce helped deliver these planes by refuelling them along the way!
 
Well the paf and coas better wakeup because india will rapidly achieve air superiority with their rafales , flankers, Israeli drones and loitering munitions , backed up by a myriad of top of the range air defence systems.

We defibently need su 35 and j10s inducted

You can't rely on an ageing f16 fleet hit by usa sanction and embargoes
 
If we can get a 100 F35s we will smoke the Chinese, it wont even be close..

Not sure what sort of expert analysis you folks run, but if you think adding a few fleet of birds will enable you to "smoke" China or anyone in the surrounding then one can only lol at that statement. I mean outside of chest beating of being Indian, there's a real world out there which is equally capable of smoking opponents. I mean northern Ladakh and Abhinandan are quite recent embarrassing events for India
 
Not sure what sort of expert analysis you folks run, but if you think adding a few fleet of birds will enable you to "smoke" China or anyone in the surrounding then one can only lol at that statement. I mean outside of chest beating of being Indian, there's a real world out there which is equally capable of smoking opponents. I mean northern Ladakh and Abhinandan are quite recent embarrassing events for India

According to various non Indian outlets, China lost more men than India in Galwan.

India violated the Pakistani airspace twice.

Bombed the Pakistani territory.

The Mirages returned unchallenged.


While you guys are beating your chest on downing a 50 yr old Mig 21 that was inside Pakistan. Whose pilot walked back home in 72hrs thumbing the noses.

And likely took out a PAF F16 to the boot.
 
According to various non Indian outlets, China lost more men than India in Galwan.

India violated the Pakistani airspace twice.

Bombed the Pakistani territory.

The Mirages returned unchallenged.


While you guys are beating your chest on downing a 50 yr old Mig 21 that was inside Pakistan. Whose pilot walked back home in 72hrs thumbing the noses.

And likely took out a PAF F16 to the boot.

In your alternate facts universe...
 
What's PAF's next fighter of choice? The PAF enjoyed the strategic advantage for a long time in the subcontinent with their AIM AMRAAM missiles of their F16s while the Sukhois of the IAF were great in maneuverability, but limited in BVR engagements with their comparatively shorter ranged sticks.

However with the IAF acquiring Rafales and the Meteor missile that comes with it, it has seized the strategic advantage back in the eyes of many military experts as the Meteor has a much higher range than the Sukhois of the IAF and also has a very large NEZ compared to all missiles in use today. I'm sure the PAF will do everything within its capabilities to get that strategic advantage back. What's the fighter it's looking to acquire to counter the Rafales or is it going to be an upgradation of the JF 17s?

Please no trolling, it's possible to have a nuanced discussion on military without the trolling and childish barbs from both sides.
 
In your alternate facts universe...

India violated Pak airspace by mirage 2000s, bombed balakot and returned unchallenged.

India again violated pak airspace when mig 21 chased out the F16s. Abhinandan was in pak airspace.

Where is the doosra banda?
 
India violated Pak airspace by mirage 2000s, bombed balakot and returned unchallenged.

India again violated pak airspace when mig 21 chased out the F16s. Abhinandan was in pak airspace.

Where is the doosra banda?

12 Mirages took off from Gawalior. They tried to penetrate in six areas from all the way down Multan/Bahawalpur to Kashmir. They were actively challenged and thwarted in 5 ingress points forcing them to turn back. they were also challenged at the last ingress point as well which made them prematurely release their load. The shoooper dooper ijraeli masala bum missed their targets.

The following day PAF Mirages + JF17s penetrated and bombed near 6 targets that included Brigade HQ Rajouri and other targets. The ordnance was intentionally deployed close so as to send a message.
IAF sent 2x Mirages, 2xSU30MKi and 5xMig21s. Both Mirages chickened out with malfunctioning radars. 1x Su30 was hit (fell inside occupied Kashmir), his wingman ran away. Abhinandhan lumbered in blind as a bat, and got his *** handed to him. All IAF had to show for that day was shooting down their own Mi17 with the shooper ijraeli Spyder mijjile system :)

So this make belief that you have been fed by the BJP IT, please keep it for your indian forums.

Now get on your bike, and mozy on.
 
12 Mirages took off from Gawalior. They tried to penetrate in six areas from all the way down Multan/Bahawalpur to Kashmir. They were actively challenged and thwarted in 5 ingress points forcing them to turn back. they were also challenged at the last ingress point as well which made them prematurely release their load. The shoooper dooper ijraeli masala bum missed their targets.

The following day PAF Mirages + JF17s penetrated and bombed near 6 targets that included Brigade HQ Rajouri and other targets. The ordnance was intentionally deployed close so as to send a message.
IAF sent 2x Mirages, 2xSU30MKi and 5xMig21s. Both Mirages chickened out with malfunctioning radars. 1x Su30 was hit (fell inside occupied Kashmir), his wingman ran away. Abhinandhan lumbered in blind as a bat, and got his *** handed to him. All IAF had to show for that day was shooting down their own Mi17 with the shooper ijraeli Spyder mijjile system :)

So this make belief that you have been fed by the BJP IT, please keep it for your indian forums.

Now get on your bike, and mozy on.

Lol. None of the mirages were challenged. They reached balakot and dropped their spice guided ammunition. Thats why the area was cordoned off and no journalist was allowed there for weeks.

Pakistani f16s didn't cross into Indian airspace. This has been stated by pak military.

They didnt enter but ran away as soon as Indian fighters approached dropping their payload nowhere near the brigade HQ.

Abhinandan went into pak airspace, fell a f16, walked back home thumbing pakistani noses.

Making snide remarks wont change the reality, just like imran whining on twitter doesn't affect India in Kashmir.
 
Lol. None of the mirages were challenged. They reached balakot and dropped their spice guided ammunition. Thats why the area was cordoned off and no journalist was allowed there for weeks.

Pakistani f16s didn't cross into Indian airspace. This has been stated by pak military.

They didnt enter but ran away as soon as Indian fighters approached dropping their payload nowhere near the brigade HQ.

Abhinandan went into pak airspace, fell a f16, walked back home thumbing pakistani noses.

Making snide remarks wont change the reality, just like imran whining on twitter doesn't affect India in Kashmir.

Now back to the reality.
You attacked some trees after weeks of posturing for election purposes, ran back home, we attacked you back, you came chasing and we brought down your plane and your pilot. We had to save your pilot from death at the hands of our locals
Then humiliated and sent him back, the Pilot thanked us. If you had some balls you should have come again. As Modi said if we had Rafales it would have been different, maybe watching less Hindutuva propaganda and get back to reality.
 
is India planning to develop their own fighter aircrafts? If they can do spacecrafts then why not this?
 
Now back to the reality.
You attacked some trees after weeks of posturing for election purposes, ran back home, we attacked you back, you came chasing and we brought down your plane and your pilot. We had to save your pilot from death at the hands of our locals
Then humiliated and sent him back, the Pilot thanked us. If you had some balls you should have come again. As Modi said if we had Rafales it would have been different, maybe watching less Hindutuva propaganda and get back to reality.

Did you mention how they shot down their own aircraft?
 
Lol. None of the mirages were challenged. They reached balakot and dropped their spice guided ammunition. Thats why the area was cordoned off and no journalist was allowed there for weeks.

Pakistani f16s didn't cross into Indian airspace. This has been stated by pak military.

They didnt enter but ran away as soon as Indian fighters approached dropping their payload nowhere near the brigade HQ.

Abhinandan went into pak airspace, fell a f16, walked back home thumbing pakistani noses.

Making snide remarks wont change the reality, just like imran whining on twitter doesn't affect India in Kashmir.

Tom Cruise should ask you to write the next MI film.
Some next level fantasy here
 
As someone who has Pakistani allegiance I have to stick to the facts rather than biased patriotism. The facts are that India entered pakistan airspace, bombed it (doesn’t really matter if it was trees or anything else it is still bombing) and returned back to India without a scratch. Pakistan should have shot them down but they either didn’t do it deliberately because they were scared of retaliation or they simply couldn’t.

Pakistan never penetrated into Indian airspace. They stayed inside pak airspace and bombed a few empty areas. This is something that asif ghafoor himself confirmed in the following days press conference
 
Also something which is very significant is that India attacked actual Pakistan territory, not POK which is officially a disputed territory. Pakistan didn’t bomb actual Indian territory. Pakistan stayed inside Pakistan and bombed IOK
 
As someone who has Pakistani allegiance I have to stick to the facts rather than biased patriotism. The facts are that India entered pakistan airspace, bombed it (doesn’t really matter if it was trees or anything else it is still bombing) and returned back to India without a scratch. Pakistan should have shot them down but they either didn’t do it deliberately because they were scared of retaliation or they simply couldn’t.

Pakistan never penetrated into Indian airspace. They stayed inside pak airspace and bombed a few empty areas. This is something that asif ghafoor himself confirmed in the following days press conference

You do realise that entering a country's territory is an act of war?


So Pakistan could not have played it any better.

It was legal in the eyes of international law, it was a diplomatic victory, and a battle victory in that they shot down an enemy plane that had transgressed...
 
Also something which is very significant is that India attacked actual Pakistan territory, not POK which is officially a disputed territory. Pakistan didn’t bomb actual Indian territory. Pakistan stayed inside Pakistan and bombed IOK

Correct, India was war mongering.
 
You do realise that entering a country's territory is an act of war?


So Pakistan could not have played it any better.

It was legal in the eyes of international law, it was a diplomatic victory, and a battle victory in that they shot down an enemy plane that had transgressed...

Diplomatic victory? Lol. Pakistanis got banned by UNSC. Lol.
 
Something we should have done long back and should do everytime a Pakistani backed terrorist organisation attacks India.

Start a conventional conflict with pakistan.

Nonsense. You carry on living in your alternate reality

IK went on television and asked for evidence.
Any lead, proof, intelligence...

Instead you sent in your planes and got your *** handed to you with a cup of delicious chai.
 
Lol. None of the mirages were challenged. They reached balakot and dropped their spice guided ammunition. Thats why the area was cordoned off and no journalist was allowed there for weeks.

Pakistani f16s didn't cross into Indian airspace. This has been stated by pak military.

They didnt enter but ran away as soon as Indian fighters approached dropping their payload nowhere near the brigade HQ.

Abhinandan went into pak airspace, fell a f16, walked back home thumbing pakistani noses.

Making snide remarks wont change the reality, just like imran whining on twitter doesn't affect India in Kashmir.

I will keep it as factual as possible without any hyperbole.

IAF deployed Israeli spice munitions that are standoff i-e have a range of over 80kms. Balakot itself is less than 40km from International border. The planes were not over Balakot at all. Now you keep bringing how Balakot was cordoned off for months to sanitize it. India has access to some super Spy satellites, please share any images of the effectiveness of the strike. No? Nada ? Crickets?

Here is a link to an Australian (impartial) analysis based on satellite imagery that tells you how spectacular a miss those strikes were. It was all a show for Indian internal political consumption.

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/indias-strike-on-balakot-a-very-precise-miss/

On the 2/27, PAF conducted counter strikes and I will keep it to a minimum that can be shared in the open.
IAF lost an aircraft and then shot down its own Mi17 chopper which was most probably sent on a SAR operation to pick up downed pilots.

Those are the provable facts. If you want to refute, provide proof, otherwise move along.
 
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I will keep it as factual as possible without any hyperbole.

IAF deployed Israeli spice munitions that are standoff i-e have a range of over 80kms. Balakot itself is less than 40km from International border. The planes were not over Balakot at all. Now you keep bringing how Balakot was cordoned off for months to sanitize it. India has access to some super Spy satellites, please share any images of the effectiveness of the strike. No? Nada ? Crickets?

Here is a link to an Australian (impartial) analysis based on satellite imagery that tells you how spectacular a miss those strikes were. It was all a show for Indian internal political consumption.

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/indias-strike-on-balakot-a-very-precise-miss/

On the 2/27, PAF conducted counter strikes and I will keep it to a minimum that can be shared in the open.
IAF lost an aircraft and then shot down its own Mi17 chopper which was most probably sent on a SAR operation to pick up downed pilots.

Those are the provable facts. If you want to refute, provide proof, otherwise move along.

Balakot is 80km across the LOC. The facts are that Indian planes entered Pakistan and bombed it and returned to India without a scratch. These are the facts. Also it’s worth nothing that India didn’t just bomb a disputed area of pakistan like POK but they bombed KPK
 
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Nonsense. You carry on living in your alternate reality

IK went on television and asked for evidence.
Any lead, proof, intelligence...

Instead you sent in your planes and got your *** handed to you with a cup of delicious chai.

Evidence was sufficient for UNSC to ban pakistanis.

In pakistan UN designated terrorists roam free, one of the reasons pakistan is on FATF grey list.

Our planes flew into pakistan, bombed and returned. No pakistani plane crossed into Indian territory.

Abhinandan went inside pakistan, and then walked back in 72 hrs. Pakistan couldn't even keep a guy who violated pakistani territory with impunity.
 
Evidence was sufficient for UNSC to ban pakistanis.

In pakistan UN designated terrorists roam free, one of the reasons pakistan is on FATF grey list.

Our planes flew into pakistan, bombed and returned. No pakistani plane crossed into Indian territory.

Abhinandan went inside pakistan, and then walked back in 72 hrs. Pakistan couldn't even keep a guy who violated pakistani territory with impunity.

I'm going to have to seriously withhold myself from debating with an rss terrorist sympathiser and an outright liar like yourself.

I say this because even your poor people mattered not to you when you defended your terrorist government against the western media who were reporting the COVID deaths.

Meanwhile you can quote the UN until your reincarnation day it won't change the facts as they were.
 
There has been significant decrease in aggression from Pakistan and China ever since the first batch of Rafales were received.

The impact of Rafale in shifting momentum of air superiority towards Hindustanis is already visible.

Enemies of India will now think thrice (instead of twice previously) before plotting against us.

Vive l'amitié Inde-France
 
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Evidence was sufficient for UNSC to ban pakistanis.

Abhinandan went inside pakistan, and then walked back in 72 hrs. Pakistan couldn't even keep a guy who violated pakistani territory with impunity.

Bless your heart, you are special. Is impunity in India defined as being shot down, beaten and bloodied to the each of his life by local populace and had to be rescued by your enemies forces?
Because that was not the definition I found in the dictionary. Please give it a rest.

Kudos to W/C Abhinandan who has been a gentleman after the whole episode.
 
Balakot is 80km across the LOC. The facts are that Indian planes entered Pakistan and bombed it and returned to India without a scratch. These are the facts. Also it’s worth nothing that India didn’t just bomb a disputed area of pakistan like POK but they bombed KPK

Balakot is less than 40 kms from International borders with Azad Kashmir. There is no POK. There is Azad Kashmir and there is Occupied Kashmir.

Yes, India did bomb Balakot inside Pakistan. So what of it? Did the hit anything?

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It's been over 2 years and I still don't have answers to a few questions:

1. What happened to the origin of explosives in Pulwama? Anyone cracked it? Some were arrested. Davinder was arrested for another case (but was posted near Pulwama at the time).

2. If we go by neutral sources, India missed its target in Balakot. However, why did Pakistan take so long to get UN people (or reporters or whoever it was) to the site (40 days or so) when it promised to do it the next day?

3. Abhinandan looks to have missed his target but its the word of India vs Pakistan/USA. But a publication which historically is known to be neutral, quashed Indian claims.

4. What happened to the SU-30 jet that Pakistan claimed to have downed? If we can be argue that F16 crash would attract attention, the same would apply here too.

5. How did India end up with an exploded AM-RAAM missiles air-air that was shown during a joint press conference? We showed it to provide proof that Pakistan used F16.

a. Did it hit anything?
b. Or did we shoot it mid-air?
c. Or did it miss its target (read an article where American experts said it missed the target)?

6. If Pakistan really did drop missiles in empty places to show its might, then whats an AMRAAM doing (an air to air missile that too which can only be fired from an F16 that will land them in hot waters if found)? Doesn't that show they tried to hit a target on air?

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Yes, based on existing data, its clear Pakistan got the upper hand on India.

But I am unable to find convincing answers to these questions.

The amount of misinformation online is INSANE.
 
Balakot is less than 40 kms from International borders with Azad Kashmir. There is no POK. There is Azad Kashmir and there is Occupied Kashmir.

Yes, India did bomb Balakot inside Pakistan. So what of it? Did the hit anything?

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I can't believe these guys are still debating this. It's beyond nonsensical. Yet we hear it over and over from these bhakts.

But let's do this one last time.

Fact:

1) India ingressed into the Pakistan side over the LOC. Their mission was to destroy a supposed militant camp. They failed. Their intelligence was out dated and they missed their targets. End of.

2) During peacetime there are certain parameters that allow limited ingress over the LOC and borders. Knowing this the IAF used this cover and fired Stand off munitions. We didn't fire because of the rules of engagement in peace time and to assess the damage. This would determine the new rules of engagement for a response.

3) Pakistan assessed the damage and prepared it's response. The decision was made to attack in broad daylight to send a message. The fact is every single pilot in our so called Chinese junk and old mirages came back alive after completing their mission.

4) India knew we would respond. Were ready or so they thought. But failed in the defence of their nation. They didn't shoot a single fighter in the first package. Every single defence process failed. No SAMS. Not a single IAF interceptor did anything. The mirage 2000''s failed. The sukhois failed. The migs failed. Not a single missile was fired. Why? Because they couldn't see anything. You can't fire if you can't lock.

5) in the process a mig 21 and sukhoi were brought down. The mig 21 was searching for targets git jammed didn't realise he was in AJK after trying to pursue and ended up with a chai cup. Air defence were pathetic and shot down their own because their systems were spoofed. They failed.

The key thing to understand is not that we shot down a plane. That can happen. What's interesting is that we knew what their response would be. We knew where their military officers were. We knew we could hurt them. And we also knew what their response would be. Why is this important? Because it shows we have penetrated their military apparatus. Deeply penetrated. We know exactly what they are capable of. We know where to hit them and how.

Finally the Raphael. Yes a great aircraft. No doubt. Bur so is the mirage 2000. Their systems are very similar. Yes it has long range bvr. No doubt. But I'll tell you this if it's sent on a misadventure we will not hold back again. We now have access to capabilities via the pla who will get involved. Even if it's behind the scenes. Yes we may lose a few to the raffa but it will get taken down. And the response will be punitive. India knows this. We know it's capabilities and have been trainin to handle it for years. For us every fight is like it's the last.

Now enough. Move along. This topic is done. The Indians here should have some shame.
 
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Balakot is less than 40 kms from International borders with Azad Kashmir. There is no POK. There is Azad Kashmir and there is Occupied Kashmir.

Yes, India did bomb Balakot inside Pakistan. So what of it? Did the hit anything?

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Does it even matter if they hit anything? They crossed into pakistan and bombed it and left without a scratch. Isn’t that unbelievably embarrassing? It’s an act of war and Pakistan done nothing because they were either too scared of the consequences or they simply couldn’t. The Indian jets that crossed should have been shot down. Every single one of them. This is what any self-respecting and capable country would have done
 
Its pakistan occupied kashmir. PoK.

What is Azad Kashmir? Is it some sovereign nation?

They have their own legislative assembly, and a prime minister. They collect taxes and spend them as needed. So pretty Azad. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of the Occupied Kashmir where they have been under lockdown for the past 2 years and subjected to an occupation by over 700000 Indian troops.
 
Evidence was sufficient for UNSC to ban pakistanis.

In pakistan UN designated terrorists roam free, one of the reasons pakistan is on FATF grey list.

Our planes flew into pakistan, bombed and returned. No pakistani plane crossed into Indian territory.

Abhinandan went inside pakistan, and then walked back in 72 hrs. Pakistan couldn't even keep a guy who violated pakistani territory with impunity.

For years you've been saying Kashmir belongs to India! :)) Im glad you've accepted Kashmir is not India's.

Pak locked onto targets, could have killed many of your occupying soldiers but chose not to because you hit trees, thats right not any terrorists which India still claims today. Do you still claim this?

As for your pilot Pak could have kept him until now, India wasnt going to invade and never will. lol If PAk didnt send him back, you'd be ranting of not following protocols.

Rafales are decent jets but in the hands of Indians are like nothing more than engines in the sky.

Its no coincidence the historic culture of what is now India, has never had a global empire. When this culture learns how how to properly fight, it might get somewhere. No man, woman or child is lying awake worrying about India apart from the poor people Indian authorities are murdering and raping.
 
Rafales are decent jets but in the hands of Indians are like nothing more than engines in the sky.

Its no coincidence the historic culture of what is now India, has never had a global empire. When this culture learns how how to properly fight, it might get somewhere.

The irony in this statement:misbah
 
I can't believe these guys are still debating this. It's beyond nonsensical. Yet we hear it over and over from these bhakts.

But let's do this one last time.

Fact:

1) India ingressed into the Pakistan side over the LOC. Their mission was to destroy a supposed militant camp. They failed. Their intelligence was out dated and they missed their targets. End of.

2) During peacetime there are certain parameters that allow limited ingress over the LOC and borders. Knowing this the IAF used this cover and fired Stand off munitions. We didn't fire because of the rules of engagement in peace time and to assess the damage. This would determine the new rules of engagement for a response.

3) Pakistan assessed the damage and prepared it's response. The decision was made to attack in broad daylight to send a message. The fact is every single pilot in our so called Chinese junk and old mirages came back alive after completing their mission.

4) India knew we would respond. Were ready or so they thought. But failed in the defence of their nation. They didn't shoot a single fighter in the first package. Every single defence process failed. No SAMS. Not a single IAF interceptor did anything. The mirage 2000''s failed. The sukhois failed. The migs failed. Not a single missile was fired. Why? Because they couldn't see anything. You can't fire if you can't lock.

5) in the process a mig 21 and sukhoi were brought down. The mig 21 was searching for targets git jammed didn't realise he was in AJK after trying to pursue and ended up with a chai cup. Air defence were pathetic and shot down their own because their systems were spoofed. They failed.

The key thing to understand is not that we shot down a plane. That can happen. What's interesting is that we knew what their response would be. We knew where their military officers were. We knew we could hurt them. And we also knew what their response would be. Why is this important? Because it shows we have penetrated their military apparatus. Deeply penetrated. We know exactly what they are capable of. We know where to hit them and how.

Finally the Raphael. Yes a great aircraft. No doubt. Bur so is the mirage 2000. Their systems are very similar. Yes it has long range bvr. No doubt. But I'll tell you this if it's sent on a misadventure we will not hold back again. We now have access to capabilities via the pla who will get involved. Even if it's behind the scenes. Yes we may lose a few to the raffa but it will get taken down. And the response will be punitive. India knows this. We know it's capabilities and have been trainin to handle it for years. For us every fight is like it's the last.

Now enough. Move along. This topic is done. The Indians here should have some shame.

Bro relax, its safe to say imo IAF failed by missing the target of intent for the bombing, however the fact Pakistan waited 40 days to let the media and reporters into the alleged territory where the bombs dropped is to be wondered why.

To the highlighted bit, do you feel that is the reason why Pakistan released Abhinandhan within a few days, as they knew a major Indian 2nd strike was on the way and Pakistan would have been in a lot of trouble..... IAF, Army & Navy had briefed PM Modi all at once about how the second strike would be conduced, per reports also...
 
Bro relax, its safe to say imo IAF failed by missing the target of intent for the bombing, however the fact Pakistan waited 40 days to let the media and reporters into the alleged territory where the bombs dropped is to be wondered why.

To the highlighted bit, do you feel that is the reason why Pakistan released Abhinandhan within a few days, as they knew a major Indian 2nd strike was on the way and Pakistan would have been in a lot of trouble..... IAF, Army & Navy had briefed PM Modi all at once about how the second strike would be conduced, per reports also...

Here we go,

https://graphics.reuters.com/INDIA-KASHMIR/010090XM162/index.html

Are you still left wondering?
 
Yes I am, it is strange Pakistan waited 30-40 days to let world media onto the site...

Well thank I suppose you have to keep wondering.
Just like I will wonder why the IAF / Government didn't release any footage of the bombing at the time which they claimed they had.
 
It's been over 2 years and I still don't have answers to a few questions:

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4. What happened to the SU-30 jet that Pakistan claimed to have downed? If we can be argue that F16 crash would attract attention, the same would apply here too.

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There was no SU-30 downed. Pakistan would have painted the world with the images of the crash wreckage if they had downed a top of the line fighter like the SU-30.

Even Abhinandan's MIG-21 more likely went down due to some mechanical malfunction than to any Pakistani marksmanship.
 
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@Romalli Rotti,

Am I safe to say that you agree that western diplomats in Pakistan have confirms that the bombing missed the target and that no so called terrorist camp / school was destroyed?
That satellite imagery confirmed this?
 
@Romalli Rotti,

Am I safe to say that you agree that western diplomats in Pakistan have confirms that the bombing missed the target and that no so called terrorist camp / school was destroyed?
That satellite imagery confirmed this?

I think you are getting confused, I am off the opinion IAF missed the target, however I find it strange why Pakistan would not immediately let Journalists in, since IAF missed the target, Pakistan could have instantly made a mockery of India's claims within a day or so....

However because they waited 30-40 days to let anyone onto the site, I feel something fishy happened, yes IAF missed the target, however possibly a lot of terrorists were killed and their bodies etc were removed and had to pay off the locals to keep the mouth shut etc...
 
Even Abhinandan's MIG-21 more likely went down due to some mechanical malfunction than to any Pakistani marksmanship.

Serves India right, why in the world would you send a 60 year old air craft into enemy territory ? Its pathetic they used that old Bison..
 
Well thank I suppose you have to keep wondering.
Just like I will wonder why the IAF / Government didn't release any footage of the bombing at the time which they claimed they had.

didnt you see the tree they destroyed, shocking stuff
 
Bro relax, its safe to say imo IAF failed by missing the target of intent for the bombing, however the fact Pakistan waited 40 days to let the media and reporters into the alleged territory where the bombs dropped is to be wondered why.

To the highlighted bit, do you feel that is the reason why Pakistan released Abhinandhan within a few days, as they knew a major Indian 2nd strike was on the way and Pakistan would have been in a lot of trouble..... IAF, Army & Navy had briefed PM Modi all at once about how the second strike would be conduced, per reports also...

The only major fall in the first strike was Abhinandhan :)), im sure pakistan were shaking in their boots about the 2nd strike major strike, unless it was one of modis infamous surgical strikes :))
 
Bro relax, its safe to say imo IAF failed by missing the target of intent for the bombing, however the fact Pakistan waited 40 days to let the media and reporters into the alleged territory where the bombs dropped is to be wondered why.

To the highlighted bit, do you feel that is the reason why Pakistan released Abhinandhan within a few days, as they knew a major Indian 2nd strike was on the way and Pakistan would have been in a lot of trouble..... IAF, Army & Navy had briefed PM Modi all at once about how the second strike would be conduced, per reports also...

Where you been? Haven't seen on here for a while.

So some good questions and comments. With regards to the foreign media. End of the day it took some time to get them the clearances etc but it was also not seen as immediately necessary because of other independent verifications that had happened by then. Also Pakistani reporters were on site within 24 hrs from arshad sheikh to hamid mir.

With regards to abhis release. No that wasn't why he was released. He was released to a) ensure we didn't give India a change to their media narrative. b) so that we could show ourselves as responsible and the victim as opposed to the modi regime (IK''s rhetoric about fascist rss etc as compared to responsible new pak) c) to rub it in the faces of the Indian govt

With regards to the second strike. As far as I have read it was to be a missile strike by navy and airforce using cruise missiles. Problem is if you do that between two nuke armed opponents means you can't be sure if the missiles are nuke tipped or not. Hence why US China and Russia got involved and said de-escalate...also Pakistan had made it clear it would retaliate and escalate..hence second strike was scrapped.
 
The mirage's bugged out..abhi got jammed so kept going..also he had top cover by sukhoi. IAF is not that stupid as bison wasn't alone.
 
There was no SU-30 downed. Pakistan would have painted the world with the images of the crash wreckage if they had downed a top of the line fighter like the SU-30.

Even Abhinandan's MIG-21 more likely went down due to some mechanical malfunction than to any Pakistani marksmanship.

Abhi got shot down. We have the material evidence to prove it. You can even see it in the pics and Abhi said so himself.
 
Where you been? Haven't seen on here for a while.

So some good questions and comments. With regards to the foreign media. End of the day it took some time to get them the clearances etc but it was also not seen as immediately necessary because of other independent verifications that had happened by then. Also Pakistani reporters were on site within 24 hrs from arshad sheikh to hamid mir.

With regards to abhis release. No that wasn't why he was released. He was released to a) ensure we didn't give India a change to their media narrative. b) so that we could show ourselves as responsible and the victim as opposed to the modi regime (IK''s rhetoric about fascist rss etc as compared to responsible new pak) c) to rub it in the faces of the Indian govt

With regards to the second strike. As far as I have read it was to be a missile strike by navy and airforce using cruise missiles. Problem is if you do that between two nuke armed opponents means you can't be sure if the missiles are nuke tipped or not. Hence why US China and Russia got involved and said de-escalate...also Pakistan had made it clear it would retaliate and escalate..hence second strike was scrapped.

I have been around brother, just really busy with the covid lockdowns and opening has affected the way life is here like everywhere else in the world. Hope you and the fam are well..

Onto your post the second strike would have been a disaster for both countries, it would have escalated to a point of no return, I feel Pakistan would have been finished but India would have gone a 100 years backwards which in turn means they would have been finished also.....
 
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