Disrespectful boos heard in Ahmedabad for Babar Azam during the toss for India vs Pakistan ICC World Cup group stage match, 2023

[Technics 1210]

For those Hindus who take their religion seriously at the match today, or at this WC, or as a revenge for Rizwan professing his faith - why not wear orange tops instead of blue?

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is a small section of people in the old city of Hyderabad that raises such pro-Pak slogans. They are mostly the poorly educated, road romeo loser types. They have always been there. Their slogans are not a reflection on Hyderabad as a whole.
If the India-Pak match had been held in Hyderabad, you would have seen an overwhelming support for India, by both Hyderabadi Hindus and Muslims. This fringe group of Pak supporters would not have dared to raise their voice.
They did it in the Sri Lanka -Pak match as it would have had hardly any attendance, so even a small group of vocal people would have been heard.

This is absolutely true.

 

[Devadwal]

I’ve

if Rizwan scored 1 more run, he would have put his bat on the stumps…taken off his helmet..walk in the middle of the pitch and done his ‘dua X’ celebration

Religious expression is either fair or it isn’t in sport. I’ll let you decide

This is pure reaction of what rizwan and Waqar have done .but earlier people's were supporting becouse its suit them .

 

[pillionrider]

Thanks for the comment bro.
I really hope you are right.

If it was a Bharat vs Pakistan match, would the Muslim locals willingly cheer for Bharat or just under pressure maybe, stay neutral or something?

Honestly, the Pakistan - Sri Lanka match has been a huge let down for a lot of Bharatiyas from all parts when we saw visuals of the Pakistan slogans. It really portrayed a sorry picture of the Hyderabad city for the nation.

Support is always welcome.
Standing ovations , claps etc all is good.
But indulging in Pakistan sloganeering is just a pure act of anti nationalism.

I've grown up through the '90s and have also been right-wing at a certain point in my life. Have sat in on shakhas. A lot of this was fueled by a feeling that Indian Muslims were not patriotic or supported Pakistan over India. I have personally seen this as a kid and used to feel hurt by it. But I've also seen the gradual change and what I remember noticing is - when the Indian team started having Muslim heroes in Irfan Pathan, Kaif and Zaheer Khan who wore their pride in playing for India extravagantly, I think it started to rub off on the ghettoized sections of Muslims who might have been pro-Pakistan at least during cricket matches. For some reason, Azhar didn't work or maybe he was too busy fixing to look proud to be captaining India

The change in Indian Muslims overwhelmingly supporting India in an Ind-Pak game happened well before Modi arrived in 2014.

 

[praveen]

I condemn any religious chants, pretty pathetic. I loved and appreciated Pakistan cricket from the stands back in the 90s but their cricket is terrible now I find nothing to applaud. I won’t boo unless it puts pressure when they’re winning and absolutely don’t have anything against hostile fans booing. You get support in some states and you get boos in others. You’re playing in India after all and should expect such tough atmosphere. I’d also expect the same when we go there. Grow a spine and move on with cricket. Best of luck for the tournament.

 

[Technics 1210]

I was wondering the same thing myself last week. What is the significance of blue for Bharat's national team? I know one of their gods is sometimes portrayed with blue skin, is it something related to that?

No idea, hence my question.

I have noticed India's practice/off field colours do include orange, so would have expected at least a small percentage of Indian fans to have said kits, especially the hardcore posse, or maybe I am mistaken because of the hue settings on my TV.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Thanks for the comment bro.
I really hope you are right.

If it was a Bharat vs Pakistan match, would the Muslim locals willingly cheer for Bharat or just under pressure maybe, stay neutral or something?

Honestly, the Pakistan - Sri Lanka match has been a huge let down for a lot of Bharatiyas from all parts when we saw visuals of the Pakistan slogans. It really portrayed a sorry picture of the Hyderabad city for the nation.

Support is always welcome.
Standing ovations , claps etc all is good.
But indulging in Pakistan sloganeering is just a pure act of anti nationalism.

To follow up on this comment, the Chennai crowd gave standing ovation to Pakistan in 1999 and it’s absolutely not an issue. Please do it again if you like.


But if Chennai crowd indulges in Pakistan sloganeering, they will attract the wrath of nationalists in Bharat the same as Hyderabad’s are coping with right now.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No idea, hence my question.

I have noticed India's practice/off field colours do include orange, so would have expected at least a small percentage of Indian fans to have said kits, especially the hardcore posse, or maybe I am mistaken because of the hue settings on my TV.

It's a fair question though, what is the significance of blue for Bharat? I'm not sure even many Bharati supporters know.

 

[FPresidential]

Why is anyone surprised and why do anyone need to condemn it.

Accept the society as it is and move on.

Pak is there to play the tournament. Those who wants to be friendly then Pak should reciprocate and those who wants to be hostile and racist should be ignored.

 

[MenInG]

Ok enough of this

If we see one more comment here which is not connected to this game and to the topic, posters will be put on restricted list

So think carefully before posting.

 

[aqua99]

There is hostility in every sport.

Look at NBA, NFL.. home and away games have big difference in crowd support.

 

[tigerman]

Ok enough of this

If we see one more comment here which is not connected to this game and to the topic, posters will be put on restricted list

So think carefully before posting.

How about you doing that ? Why not stick to the game ? How about stop complaining about who is allowed or not

 

[tigerman]

Have some shame.

Accept that it's wrong and then make a hill of whatever mole you want.

Why you never accept that your country security situation was bad but keep complaining that players not coming or choosing some other league .

 

[FPresidential]

There is hostility in every sport.

Look at NBA, NFL.. home and away games have big difference in crowd support.

That’s rivalry.

And that rivalry is limited to sports, not religion and racism.

Hostility and rivalry are two different concepts.

 

[RexRex]

This is unacceptable conduct among the spectators.

This is so cringe. If you're going to sledge the opposition, atleast make it a witty chant instead of crude religious slogans.

 

[Major]

Not happy with Babar trading shirts after this insult. Have some self respect man.

 

[Major]

This is unacceptable conduct among the spectators.

pathetic stuff.

Whenever an Indian poster is to mention India as a secular country, maybe show them this video.

@MenInG i think this video deserves a thread on its own. Rizwan praying on the ground resulted in such a havoc amongst Indians, but what about this?

 

[ArabKnight]

I’ve

if Rizwan scored 1 more run, he would have put his bat on the stumps…taken off his helmet..walk in the middle of the pitch and done his ‘dua’ celebration

I think it’d be time for him to start being a righteous & honest guy—drop support for Babar so he could be playing in a better XI & be surrounded by more better batters.

Someone needs to tell Rizwan, your averages will go up if you have a better captain at the helm. That 49(69) would look like 85(80) when you are not anchoring the innings with clowns collapsing at the other end.

Rizwan was doing good at 47(58) then 3 quick wickets fell at the other end. He scrambled to 49(69) before getting clean bowled. He has no-one to blame but himself for supporting a failing incompetent unjust captain that had chosen the collapse-specialists around him.

 

[Major]

Rizwan got a taste of his own medicine. Move on.

Did Rizwan shout religious slogans to people of other faith?
Had Pakistani fans raised religious slogans if a hindu player (irrespect of his country) been walking, you would had been the first one to comment that look at these Pakistanis.

How did Rizwan got a taste of his own medicine? Because he prays Namaz which is obligatory? Anyone who prays namaz should have some person shout jai shri ram at his face?

 

[NishanKonar]

It's a fair question though, what is the significance of blue for Bharat? I'm not sure even many Bharati supporters know.

Blue color is from the color of Ashok Chakra in the national flag. The reason blue was chosen was it represents vastness of the sky & depth of oceans. In essence it represents the vast landscape of India. So after 1947 blue color was adopted for all sports jerseys bcoz it represents the vast landmass & diversity of India

 

[Major]

If players are allowed to display their religious activities on field, why shouldn't spectators?

There is a difference between a player practising his religion and someone shouting religious slogan in a hostile manner.

 

[ArabKnight]

This is unacceptable conduct among the spectators.

I didn’t see this video before. Totally disgusting behavior.

Why do the Indian extremists always use Hindu slogans to vilify & taunt others? This is very bizarre. Aren’t they disrespectful to their own religion by doing this?

I never see Arabs, Pakistanis, Afghanistanis using Islamic slogans as a means of taunting or provoking others.

 

[ex-q-zit]

pathetic stuff.

Whenever an Indian poster is to mention India as a secular country, maybe show them this video.

@MenInG i think this video deserves a thread on its own. Rizwan praying on the ground resulted in such a havoc amongst Indians, but what about this?

Is Jai Sri Ram abusive? Its there wish wantever they want to chant. Dont Pak players always start with bismillah e rehman even when speaking to a non-muslim. How is this being disrespectful? How is this related to secularism? Secularism means church and state are separated meaning the government and religion will be kept separated. Only a state can be secular a person cannot be. Matlab kuch bhi.

 

[MenInG]

There is a difference between a player practising his religion and someone shouting religious slogan in a hostile manner.

Think I wouldn't bother answering such questions.

The spectators were doing this deliberately at Rizwan as a way of showing contempt for him.

Imagine if that fence was not there when he was walking back, would have probably been attacked.

 

[Major]

if a pakistani muslim had to deal with jai shri ram taunts, than i wonder what local muslims have to go through.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Think I wouldn't bother answering such questions.

The spectators were doing this deliberately at Rizwan as a way of showing contempt for him.

Imagine if that fence was not there when he was walking back, would have probably been attacked.

May be you ahve heard this teh first time. In India its common. Didn't people line-up all the way from Ahmedabad airport to teh hotel to look at the players? Its just a slogan and even if fence was not there no one would have attacked him. Cant believe a mountain is being amde of a molehill.

 

[pillionrider]

Here are some moments in sequence from this game wrt the crowd

Babar gets booed at the toss

Pak anthem is given a cheer at the end

Pak openers get a cheer as they walk in

A section of the crowd DOES sloganeer baap... But honestly, this sounds like a mob of 10-20 which is nothing in such a big stadium even if there were several such groups across the stadium. Some Pak fans seemed to have been suggesting the stadium was chanting this in unison. I'd consider this similar to a small section of Pak supporters taunting Kohli at CT17 or a similar baap jibe at Shami as he was climbing back to the dressing room.

 

[Major]

May be you ahve heard this teh first time. In India its common. Didn't people line-up all the way from Ahmedabad airport to teh hotel to look at the players? Its just a slogan and even if fence was not there no one would have attacked him. Cant believe a mountain is being amde of a molehill.

its common? A molehill?

You guys will even defend this now? Shouting Jai shri raam in the face of a Muslim cricketer?

PCB needs to report this to ICC

 

[Sir Alex]

Not a fan of using Jai Sri Ram at sports venues as a taunt it has some sanctity that must be respected. Rizwan mixing his religious views with sports need not be reciprocated in similar fashion. But it's a free country. There are 120K people each having their thoughts and views on everything. As long as it is not illegal, nothing much can be done.

 

[Technics 1210]

For me, the issues are not the boos, nor the chants, nor the silence.

Answer a simple question - why were Pakistan fan not offered tickets for this match, but were offered tickets for every other match involving Pakistan?

This is the point, and if anyone has an answer I will be happy to read it!

 

[Major]

If waqar can said "Rizwan offered Namaz during match in middle of Hindus was most satisfying thing Mashallah, even more than his batting"
Pakistan minister can said " This is victory of islam "
Than why not indian fans can chaint " jay shree ram ".
Jay shree ram is not a abusive slogans .

indians have lost it now.

We had people from pakistan that critisized that statement.

you lot cannot even critisize our own fans for jay shri ram chants towards a muslim player

 

[Major]

Not a fan of using Jai Sri Ram at sports venues as a taunt it has some sanctity that must be respected. Rizwan mixing his religious views with sports need not be reciprocated in similar fashion. But it's a free country. There are 120K people each having their thoughts and views on everything. As long as it is not illegal, nothing much can be done.

you know its not illegal to chant racist slogans, does that mean you do that?

Rizwan never mixed religion with sports. He prays his namaz cause its obligatory

 

[MenInG]

May be you ahve heard this teh first time. In India its common. Didn't people line-up all the way from Ahmedabad airport to teh hotel to look at the players? Its just a slogan and even if fence was not there no one would have attacked him. Cant believe a mountain is being amde of a molehill.

Please don't insult our intelligence. The slogans were aimed at Rizwan for a reason and that is because he is a Muslim.

Not having these nonsense BJP type reasoning on our forums so don't persist.

 

[ex-q-zit]

For me, the issues are not the boos, nor the chants, nor the silence.

Answer a simple question - why were Pakistan fan not offered tickets for this match, but were offered tickets for every other match involving Pakistan?

This is the point, and if anyone has an answer I will be happy to read it!

I agree with this. They shud have given visas to Pak fans. I cant think of any rationale as to why it wasn't given. Maybe the Modi government was not confident about Indian team winning hence wanted the stadium to only ahve Indian supporters. But that doesn't make sense as it would still not gaurantee a win. In fact it would ahve been more embarassing had Pakistan won.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Please don't insult our intelligence. The slogans were aimed at Rizwan for a reason and that is because he is a Muslim.

Not having these nonsense BJP type reasoning on our forums so don't persist.

Its up to you. even Mamata Bannerjee and Rahul gandhi are greeted with these chants. Are they muslims too? anyway I dont wish to continue this too. Good luck with you reasoning.

 

[Major]

For those of you who do not know, in India, religious mobs that believe in the RSS often target Muslims and force them to chant jai shri ram. You can google this and find it on youtube aswell, where Muslims were targeted and humiliated by mobs and forced to make this chant. While this chant basically means glory to lord ram, but in this context they use it to intimidate muslims.

Basically, in this video it can be seen, the crowd was trying to intimidate Rizwan by using such chants.

 

[Sir Alex]

you know its not illegal to chant racist slogans, does that mean you do that?

Rizwan never mixed religion with sports. He prays his namaz cause its obligatory

Where is it not illegal to chant racist slogans? Kindly enlighten.

As to Rizwan kindly check his tweet when he got his 100.

 

[ex-q-zit]

its common? A molehill?

You guys will even defend this now? Shouting Jai shri raam in the face of a Muslim cricketer?

PCB needs to report this to ICC

What will they report as? Were they demeaning him? Were they being abusive? Did that chant have his name?

 

[Major]

Its up to you. even Mamata Bannerjee and Rahul gandhi are greeted with these chants. Are they muslims too? anyway I dont wish to continue this too. Good luck with you reasoning.

Rizwan was being greeted here? I think even a 10 year old can tell that he was being intimidated with religious chants.

Not a single Indian on this forum has accepted this to be wrong, and this same group of people whined the most when a player prays his namaz.

 

[DJhant]

Dont know what was the background of booing, someone said because of Babar's English. I don't support this. If for religious' reasons, it should be condemned too. However, even if we discount trolling of the fans, Pak greats atleast should stop dragging religion in every matter. People for obvious reason don't take this kindly. Still, atithi deva bhava ( Guest is God), so I once again apologize if there is any offensive abuse hurled towards Babar, India should be gracious

 

[Sir Alex]

I agree with this. They shud have given visas to Pak fans. I cant think of any rationale as to why it wasn't given. Maybe the Modi government was not confident about Indian team winning hence wanted the stadium to only ahve Indian supporters. But that doesn't make sense as it would still not gaurantee a win. In fact it would ahve been more embarassing had Pakistan won.

A thousand Pakistanis will not be even 1% of the crowd today. So the argument that Pakistanis weren't given visa because they would be making up for the overall skew of the crowd is just hogwash.

And no government is going to roll out tens of thousands of visas to a country especially if it is a country with which it has a special relationship like India has with Pakistan.

 

[ex-q-zit]

are you for real?

Rizwan was being greeted here? I think even a 10 year old can tell that he was being intimidated with religious chants.

Not a single Indian on this forum has accepted this to be wrong, and this same group of people whined the most when a player prays his namaz.

I had or have no issue with Rizwan doing his namaz or sajda or even tweeting about Gaza. Neither do I have any issues with the sloganeering as long as they are not abusive, insulting as person or a religion. Jai Shri Ram means victory to lord Ram. So whats so abusive or intimidating about it?

 

[Major]

Where is it not illegal to chant racist slogans? Kindly enlighten.

As to Rizwan kindly check his tweet when he got his 100.

The word 4 letter word at the start of Pakistani is racist. There isn't a law on it, still it cannot be said. There is no written law in the world that says N word cannot be said by other non black people, still it is an unspoken rule.

When Rizwan got his 100, he tweeted for palestine. Palestine also has christians. Palestine issue has nothing to do with hinduism that you need to chant jai shri ram

 

[Major]

Dont know what was the background of booing, someone said because of Babar's English. I don't support this. If for religious' reasons, it should be condemned too. However, even if we discount trolling of the fans, Pak greats atleast should stop dragging religion in every matter. People for obvious reason don't take this kindly. Still, atithi deva bhava ( Guest is God), so I once again apologize if there is any offensive abuse hurled towards Babar, India should be gracious

do us a favor, go to page three and view the Jai shri Ram video.

thanks

 

[Sir Alex]

For those of you who do not know, in India, religious mobs that believe in the RSS often target Muslims and force them to chant jai shri ram. You can google this and find it on youtube aswell, where Muslims were targeted and humiliated by mobs and forced to make this chant. While this chant basically means glory to lord ram, but in this context they use it to intimidate muslims.

Basically, in this video it can be seen, the crowd was trying to intimidate Rizwan by using such chants.

There are at least two Muslims in this Indian team who are adored by fans throughout India. You are highlighting stray and isolated incidents and projecting it on entire people while ignoring the best available evidence to the contrary.

How many minorities are there in Pakistani cricket team ?

 

[Major]

There are at least two Muslims in this Indian team who are adored by fans throughout India. You are highlighting stray and isolated incidents and projecting it on entire people while ignoring the best available evidence to the contrary.

How many minorities are there in Pakistani cricket team ?

Even with 2 minorities, the crowd chanted jai shri ram to intimidate Rizwan.

Indian need to stop giving this bakwas of secularism to us after the videos we saw today

 

[Sir Alex]

The word 4 letter word at the start of Pakistani is racist. There isn't a law on it, still it cannot be said. There is no written law in the world that says N word cannot be said by other non black people, still it is an unspoken rule.

When Rizwan got his 100, he tweeted for palestine. Palestine also has christians. Palestine issue has nothing to do with hinduism that you need to chant jai shri ram

Context matters. Blacks often use the n word between themselves. Indians and Pakistanis are basically from the same racial sub structure. So I do not understand how Indo Pak banter gets into the racism realm.

And please let us not think the other as a complete idiot to convince that taking side of Palestine is merely political and nothing to do with religion.

 

[Sir Alex]

Even with 2 minorities, the crowd chanted jai shri ram to intimidate Rizwan.

Indian need to stop giving this bakwas of secularism to us after the videos we saw today

How is intimidatory for Rizwan when it is not for the two members of Indian team ? On the contrary Siraj gets always super charged while playing for India as compared to his IPL team.

So why there are no minorities in Pak team ?

 

[Mesozoic]

Back in 2015, I was at the Adelaide oval where India and Pakistan faced each other in the world cup. I don't know if you guys remember or not, but there was one large cluster of pak fans seated together at the ground that day. I was seated right beside them...

Long strory short, there were numerous chants of "Naaara e takbeer Allahu Akbar" (pardon me if I'm wrong) from that section which was clearly aimed at the Indian fans and players fielding in the deep. The security guards got involved for a bit but they didn't stop until Pakistan lost Ahmed Shehzad and Shoaib Maqsood in quick succession. Point is....these things do happen. No big deal. People can perceive anything to be hateful or bigoted but at the end of the day, these are just religious slogans that have got nothing to do with another religion.

 

[Major]

Back in 2015, I was at the Adelaide oval where India and Pakistan faced each other in the world cup. I don't know if you guys remember or not, but there was one large cluster of pak fans seated together at the ground that day. I was seated right beside them...

Long strory short, there were numerous chants of "Naaara e takbeer Allahu Akbar" (pardon me if I'm wrong) from that section which was clearly aimed at the Indian fans and players fielding in the deep. The security guards got involved for a bit but they didn't stop until Pakistan lost Ahmed Shehzad and Shoaib Maqsood in quick succession. Point is....these things do happen. No big deal. People can perceive anything to be hateful or bigoted but at the end of the day, these are just religious slogans that have got nothing to do with another religion.

did anyone here defend naar e takbeer?
here let me say, i will assume what you said its truth. that was wrong for the people to say that to hindu/sikh/christian fans.

Now do you have the guts to condemn what your fans did in modi stadium today?

 

[DJhant]

do us a favor, go to page three and view the Jai shri Ram video.

thanks

ok why you feel Jai Shri Ram is booing? If one has right to offer Namaz or Sizda (pardon me, if I said wrongly, I really don't want to demean religions) in the cricket ground or support a country in the name of religion ( which actually denounces Sub Continental Muslims as servant of Saudi), why taking name of a God is booing? Or if you use intimidating, from when it became banned to intimidate opponent, isn't it a mind game strategy adopted by any professional sports team?

 

[Sir Alex]

what does Rizwan supporting Palestine got to do with India? or Hinduism?

Jai shri ram is a hindu slogan, dont say its an indian national slogan now.
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all indian sources.

1. Nothing. But he mixed religion with cricket. So Don't blame fans if they do too.

2. There are people who think otherwise. It doesn't matter anyways.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Back in 2015, I was at the Adelaide oval where India and Pakistan faced each other in the world cup. I don't know if you guys remember or not, but there was one large cluster of pak fans seated together at the ground that day. I was seated right beside them...

Long strory short, there were numerous chants of "Naaara e takbeer Allahu Akbar" (pardon me if I'm wrong) from that section which was clearly aimed at the Indian fans and players fielding in the deep. The security guards got involved for a bit but they didn't stop until Pakistan lost Ahmed Shehzad and Shoaib Maqsood in quick succession. Point is....these things do happen. No big deal. People can perceive anything to be hateful or bigoted but at the end of the day, these are just religious slogans that have got nothing to do with another religion.

Pakistan fans do shout naar e takbir, that is why I have no issue with Bharatis chanting jai shri ram. The only caveat to that is, when Pakistan fans chant it's to get unison among their own supporters and show support. I've seen Bharatis shouting this when they are attacking minorities, so the intent does matter.

 

[Major]

ok why you feel Jai Shri Ram is booing? If one has right to offer Namaz or Sizda (pardon me, if I said wrongly, I really don't want to demean religions) in the cricket ground or support a country in the name of religion ( which actually denounces Sub Continental Muslims as servant of Saudi), why taking name of a God is booing? Or if you use intimidating, from when it became banned to intimidate opponent, isn't it a mind game strategy adopted by any professional sports team?

first of all, no need to get over smart. If you dont know how to spell, maybe google it, instead of giving bs reasons. If you dont want to demean use google.

There is a different between following your religion and using your religious slogan as a intimidating threat against someone.

Atleast, in the latter part of our post you accepted the Jai Shri Ram chants were used to intimidate Rizwan.

 

[Technics 1210]

What was missing from today's match was the classic Pakistan/Indian atmosphere.

I base this on the fact that EVERY WC encounter between Pakistan and India had a mixture of fans. In fact every game, Tests and bilaterals of the past. Even Mohali 2011, arguably the biggest WC game between the 2, had Pakistani fans.

For the first time ever, today felt like a speaker was broken and we were greeted with mono cheering. There were no cheers when Pakistan scored a boundary, no flags flying as Pakistan took wickets. Zero atmosphere as far as I am concerned.

I didn't even mind the pro Indian commentary, but man, even SKY Sports reported after the match the cameras spotted just one Pakistan fan, and joked that fan was photoshopped.

The aerial views of the ground did look good, but not amazing because all you could see were blue dots, with patches of orange, with a giant green circle - no colour or life within the stadium - looked like someone had used the fill tool from MS Paint, just looked fake. Heck I cannot even remember flags being waved either!

I would take 0-7 losing streak in WCs over today's garbage atmosphere coupled with the underlying motive not to offer any tickets to Pakistan fans.

 

[DJhant]

Pakistan fans do shout naar e takbir, that is why I have no issue with Bharatis chanting jai shri ram. The only caveat to that is, when Pakistan fans chant it's to get unison among their own supporters and show support. I've seen Bharatis shouting this when they are attacking minorities, so the intent does matter.

May be its your perception....

 

[Mesozoic]

did anyone here defend naar e takbeer?
here let me say, i will assume what you said its truth. that was wrong for the people to say that to hindu/sikh/christian fans.

Now do you have the guts to condemn what your fans did in modi stadium today?

Calm down ! Why are you trying to force your opinions onto others? Just because you found it wrong, doesn't mean everyone has to. I personally didn't find anything wrong with the chants that day and the chants made today. At the end of the day, those are not meant to demean or to offend any other group. If that were the case, there wouldn't be a single mosque left in India or a single temple left places like Indonesia.

 

[Major]

Pakistan fans do shout naar e takbir, that is why I have no issue with Bharatis chanting jai shri ram. The only caveat to that is, when Pakistan fans chant it's to get unison among their own supporters and show support. I've seen Bharatis shouting this when they are attacking minorities, so the intent does matter.

even if a pakistani does something wrong, we will accept it.

These guys can even rape a person and still defend their act. Thats how low they have gone.

Giving bakwas about minorities playing when using jai shri ram chants on Pakistani muslim players.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan fans do shout naar e takbir, that is why I have no issue with Bharatis chanting jai shri ram. The only caveat to that is, when Pakistan fans chant it's to get unison among their own supporters and show support. I've seen Bharatis shouting this when they are attacking minorities, so the intent does matter.

Naarae Takbir shouted at the face of Virat Kohli as he is finishing up his training is NOT the same as crowd chanting amongst themselves.

Like I said, please don't insult our intelligence. It's getting silly now.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Like my dad said. They won they can cheer whatever they want. How about we don't play like a bunch of cowards next time then?

 

[Major]

Calm down ! Why are you trying to force your opinions onto others? Just because you found it wrong, doesn't mean everyone has to. I personally didn't find anything wrong with the chants that day and the chants made today. At the end of the day, those are not meant to demean or to offend any other group. If that were the case, there wouldn't be a single mosque left in India or a single temple left places like Indonesia.

It is wrong.

You dont want to accept your nations fault, so be it. Dont expect others to not call you or country out for its racist chants or bakwas.

 

[Mesozoic]

Pakistan fans do shout naar e takbir, that is why I have no issue with Bharatis chanting jai shri ram. The only caveat to that is, when Pakistan fans chant it's to get unison among their own supporters and show support. I've seen Bharatis shouting this when they are attacking minorities, so the intent does matter.

Well the intent will be whatever you consider it to be..Even I could say that the naara e takbir chants are aimed as an attack to non-muslims and the Jay shree Ram chants is to "get unison" among the Indian Hindu fans. Who's going to be the judge then?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Naarae Takbir shouted at the face of Virat Kohli as he is finishing up his training is NOT the same as crowd chanting amongst themselves.

Like I said, please don't insult our intelligence. It's getting silly now.

Yes, this is why I said intent matters. Bharatis know it but many of them are here only to support their agendas at all cost.

 

[Sir Alex]

Major, please enlighten why India has consistently identified, developed groomed and made superstars from minority religions - despite all these perceptions? Whereas Pakistan has produced just two notable players from minority religions in the past 3 decades. One of them converted to Islam and the other was discarded later and alleged harassment?

I'd suggest an inwards introspection before accusing others. India will give everyone a chance to excel and celebrate them if they are meritorious regardless of their religion. They is why the Sirajs and Sbamis continue to come through the system and become Indian champions.

 

[DJhant]

first of all, no need to get over smart. If you dont know how to spell, maybe google it, instead of giving bs reasons. If you dont want to demean use google.

There is a different between following your religion and using your religious slogan as a intimidating threat against someone.

Atleast, in the latter part of our post you accepted the Jai Shri Ram chants were used to intimidate Rizwan.

how can I be smarter than you, who doesn't oppose professional pakistani players dragging Indian muslim, muslim community in every sports related matter, but gets offended when fans ( mind it, not professional players) return the favor. And yes, I dont see anything wrong in intimidating opponent, may be for you its allah hu akbar. By the way, you always stoop down to attack people on personal level, do you have some deep rooted insecurity or inferiority complex? Have a blessed life, cheers !

 

[FPresidential]

People, particularly Muslims, need to keep in mind that Bharti aren’t upset because anyone innocently practicing their religion for themselves, they are upset because a person was practicing Islam.

Had it was any other religion then most Bharti wouldn’t care but when it comes to Muslim and Islam they will always expose themselves.

 

[Mesozoic]

It is wrong.

You dont want to accept your nations fault, so be it. Dont expect others to not call you or country out for its racist chants or bakwas.

"Racist" lol here we go.

Atleast use the right lingo, brother. I guess millions of Indian Hindus are just being racist to each other when they greet each other using that "bakwas chant".

 

[ex-q-zit]

It is wrong.

You dont want to accept your nations fault, so be it. Dont expect others to not call you or country out for its racist chants or bakwas.

How is Jai Sri ram rascist chant? It means Victory to Lord Ram. Its not demeaning or abusive a person or a religion? Everyday there is a call for prayer on a loudspeaker saying its time to pray and allah is the only god and there is no other god. Should non muslims say its rascist as they are saying other religion gods are not gods?

 

[Ml12345]

How about you doing that ? Why not stick to the game ? How about stop complaining about who is allowed or not

Appreciate your comment

 

[Sir Alex]

Like my dad said. They won they can cheer whatever they want. How about we don't play like a bunch of cowards next time then?

Sensible post.

Aussie crowds sing Broad is a w***** and boos him and English crowds routinely booed Aussie players. They booed Smithat Oval well knowing it was probably the last time he was touring Eng. Nobody made a big fuss about it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What was missing from today's match was the classic Pakistan/Indian atmosphere.

I base this on the fact that EVERY WC encounter between Pakistan and India had a mixture of fans. In fact every game, Tests and bilaterals of the past. Even Mohali 2011, arguably the biggest WC game between the 2, had Pakistani fans.

For the first time ever, today felt like a speaker was broken and we were greeted with mono cheering. There were no cheers when Pakistan scored a boundary, no flags flying as Pakistan took wickets. Zero atmosphere as far as I am concerned.

I didn't even mind the pro Indian commentary, but man, even SKY Sports reported after the match the cameras spotted just one Pakistan fan, and joked that fan was photoshopped.

The aerial views of the ground did look good, but not amazing because all you could see were blue dots, with patches of orange, with a giant green circle - no colour or life within the stadium - looked like someone had used the fill tool from MS Paint, just looked fake. Heck I cannot even remember flags being waved either!

I would take 0-7 losing streak in WCs over today's garbage atmosphere coupled with the underlying motive not to offer any tickets to Pakistan fans.

The only way to get a proper atmosphere between Bharat and Pakistan is if the game is played in England where both sets of supporters can access tickets. Cricket has been destroyed in the Asian bloc by govt interference, and today's horrible atmosphere is the direct result of it. Thank God the next world cup will be held somewhere else.

 

[Major]

Major, please enlighten why India has consistently identified, developed groomed and made superstars from minority religions - despite all these perceptions? Whereas Pakistan has produced just two notable players from minority religions in the past 3 decades. One of them converted to Islam and the other was discarded later and alleged harassment?

I'd suggest an inwards introspection before accusing others. India will give everyone a chance to excel and celebrate them if they are meritorious regardless of their religion. They is why the Sirajs and Sbamis continue to come through the system and become Indian champions.

there is a video of indians trying to intimidate Pakistani muslims, that speaks enough. and the fact that no indian is ready to accept its wrong, shows how you treat minorities in your country.

I pray for the protection of the Pakistani team in India, because such religious hostility can lead to security issues.

PCB needs to make a formal complaint to ICC about Ahmedabad stadium.

 

[Mesozoic]

I would take 0-7 losing streak in WCs over today's garbage atmosphere coupled with the underlying motive not to offer any tickets to Pakistan fans.

I was wondering what kind of cope you'd come up with after the inevitable humiliation but you have managed to outdo yourselves.

Well done brother Technics, well done!!

 

[Sir Alex]

there is a video of indians trying to intimidate Pakistani muslims, that speaks enough. and the fact that no indian is ready to accept its wrong, shows how you treat minorities in your country.

I pray for the protection of the Pakistani team in India, because such religious hostility can lead to security issues.

PCB needs to make a formal complaint to ICC about Ahmedabad stadium.

You still are continuing to side step my question. It's clear you know it as well as I do.

I'd love to see what PCB complains about to ICC. Lol

 

[cricketjoshila]

The word 4 letter word at the start of Pakistani is racist. There isn't a law on it, still it cannot be said. There is no written law in the world that says N word cannot be said by other non black people, still it is an unspoken rule.

When Rizwan got his 100, he tweeted for palestine. Palestine also has christians. Palestine issue has nothing to do with hinduism that you need to chant jai shri ram

This isn't pakistan where you can stop anyone from shouting their religious slogans.

The sheer audacity of a few pakistanis to think Jai Shree Ram should not be shouted in an Indian stadium, amuses me.

 

[DJhant]

For me, the issues are not the boos, nor the chants, nor the silence.

Answer a simple question - why were Pakistan fan not offered tickets for this match, but were offered tickets for every other match involving Pakistan?

This is the point, and if anyone has an answer I will be happy to read it!

BCCI mugged up the ticket thing big time, they are corrupt and greedy organization, no one doubts it

 

[Mesozoic]

How is Jai Sri ram rascist chant?

Because some miscreants shout it when hitting some other rando with a stick. Boom....racist.

 

[Rajdeep]

I think posters are venting their frustration on this thread to mask the poor performance of Pak players. Crowd booing or chanting didn't cause Pak to collapse for 38/8. As I said, during Euro 2020 every team got booed in Wembley Stadium by English fans including their national anthems. That didn't stop Italy to shut the crowd and win the finals. Pakistan was never going to get applause in Gujarat which is a BJP bastion for 25 years....this ain't Hyderabad. However, they had the opportunity to shut the crowd with some good cricket and on-field performance. But they got completely outplayed and outclassed by a terrific Indian side and this crowd booing is a complete non-issue.

 

[Major]

Jai Shri Ram: The Hindu chant that became a murder cry

A popular god has been invoked in attacks on Indian Muslims, deepening fears of religious polarisation.

www.bbc.com

Jai Shri Ram: The Hindu chant that became a murder cry​

BBC heading.

 

[Devadwal]

For me, the issues are not the boos, nor the chants, nor the silence.

Answer a simple question - why were Pakistan fan not offered tickets for this match, but were offered tickets for every other match involving Pakistan?

This is the point, and if anyone has an answer I will be happy to read it!

Yes this is I agree that tickets should be allotted for Pakistan fan . atleast 20k