Disrespectful boos heard in Ahmedabad for Babar Azam during the toss for India vs Pakistan ICC World Cup group stage match, 2023

[King_Babar]

Yesterday at Ahmedabad Stadium, several disturbing incidents unfolded:

1. The opposing captain was jeered at the toss, even before the match commenced. While I personally don't take issue with player criticism, it's a common occurrence in sports.

2. The crowd resorted to chanting offensive slogans like 'Pakistan agay bado hum tumhare baap hai.' This is an utterly reprehensible thing to say, and anyone who finds it acceptable should reflect on their upbringing.

3. More disturbingly, the crowd chanted derogatory slurs like 'Chaar chawani goday par, Pakistan hmare ***** par.' It's needless to explain the extreme disrespect shown to a cricketer who is there to play the game.

4. Shockingly, people chased after Rizwan with a chant of 'Jai shree Ram.' The motive behind this senseless act is unclear. Some claim that Rizwan's expression of gratitude after achievements resulted in such behaviour . One must understand that just like other players who like to jump around the ground, roar etc after any achievement he just thanks to almighty in most silent way without provoking any opponent player of other faith. Now if other players or people are feeling insecure about his silent prayer with himself that's their problem.

Also, It's crucial to note that this behavior, sadly, is not isolated; there have been instances where Muslims in India faced violence/lynched to death after being compelled to chant similar slogans.

While fans have the right to express their opinions on players' performance, resorting to abuse is unacceptable in any sport and should be condemned by every civilized citizen.

 

[DJhant]

Ok, after going through a few more videos from various sources close to me, I accept the chants raised by a section of the crowd is a borderline war cry, which I condemn. Ahmedabad is now been the epicenter of the Indian power corridor and a city not fondly known for a traditional sports lover certainly added to this. I really do hope other cities, especially eastern ones get more matches, and I am sure there a crowd ( even if a section of it would not be so partisan) . I wholeheartedly hope sports bring us together, its no war or a battle for religious supremacy. Given, we are the host, our responsibility is more towards ensuring well-being of the guests.

 

[ChTab]

If Indian team visits pakistan in 2025 they should and would get a hostile reaction from the crowd.

They certainly should, but the Pakistani crowd is likely to admire the Indian team and after the match or tournament, our fans on social media might portray us as the most civilized nation in the world. However, the reality of our level of civility as a nation is widely known.

 

[Sunzi]

One should not come to expect anything from the citizens of a country with whom 4 wars have been fought.

There is and has always been bad blood there. The cricket matches are an opportunity to express hatred for one another again under the guise of a "sporting rivalry".

Why is that so hard to understand and accept? It really is what it is. Political.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Booing is a part of sports. It happens worldwide. Fans do it on issues around which a player/team creates their personality or any sporadic issue related to that player/team.

Steve Smith gets booed for the sandpaper incident. Murali used to get booed for his bowling action. Even Kohli gets booed in Australia for his aggressive nature. Pakistan team have based their entire personality around religion. Not just religious supremacy but the despise towards other religions, as evident from quotes like "kufr toot Gaya, Islam Jeet Gaya" and "Rizwan ki sabse acchi baat ye hai ki Hinduon ke beech namaz padh kar aaya" from their former players. Hence they got booed along similar lines in Ahmadabad.

Crowd behavior was against Pakistan, not IsIam. Ahmedabad is the home ground for many MusIim cricketers. Ask them if they were ever treated this way. Also, have you ever heard of any Christian player or a Christian-dominated team facing religion-based booing in India?

The responsibility to not mix religion with sports is on players; they are the ambassadors of sports. But for the Pakistani team, everything is about religion. Even that was acceptable to Indian fans for a long time because it was seen as them following their own religion, not slandering others. But in the social media age, people realized that the truth is even harsh, as proved by the statements of Waqar Younis, Shahid Afridi, and Sohail Tanvir.

I see the Ahmadabad crowd as victims of circumstances created by the religious fanaticism of Pakistani cricketers over the years.

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[Rajdeep]

You're gloating about Pakistan not taking the heat from the crowd like a football match when these Indian players have literally never played a match in a completely partisan hostile atmosphere in their lives, let alone in a World Cup. Even in Timbuktu they will be cheering Sharma and Kohli.

Any fan who actually watches football knows that crowds are that way because there are home and away teams, and tickets are allocated as such - 80% of one team, 20% of the other. You create a hostile atmosphere for your arch rivals, and later on they create one for you. Give and take.

What we had today is a global tournament match with 130k fans of one arch rival and 0 of the other. Let Jay Shah summon the courage to send your boys to Pindi and then talk about El Clasico atmosphere. But we both know that ain't happening so better to park the irrelevant analogies you don't understand.

I remember the Asia Cup Final in 2016 Dhaka when entire crowd was supporting Bangladesh but somehow Kohli and later Dhoni's 104m six silenced them. Though the crowd was not as edgy as this one but 99% of the crowd that day was supporting BD. So its not as if Indian players has never played in such environment or cannot perform when heat is on. However, most of the time Indian players will get support as we Indians are everywhere in the planet earth.

Indian team don't visit Pakistan due to political issues. PCB should have done the same if they feels BCCI is being unfair to them. Personally I would love India to play in Pakistan in 2025. One thing I can guarantee though, this Indian side will not surrender like how Pakistan has done in this game or in Asia cup...irrespective of whether the game is in Pindi, Ahmedabad or Timbuktu.

 

[Rajdeep]

Are you sure.

That is not the Pakistani way. You need to have been at some of the recent games in Pakistan.

In fact at times we are too nice.

Sir with respect, how do you know that? Indian team has not toured Pakistan since 2006. Sure at that era (2004-08) Indian team got lots of love in Pakistan and vice versa bcoz politically the atmosphere was very stable.

However, is it not true that Pakistani crowd used to be very hostile towards India during 90s?

Didn't Indian players were pelted with stones and Sachin took his team out during 1997 independence cup in Karachi? I am talking about the game where Rajesh Chauhan hit last ball six.

Also, wasn't Kris Srikanth was attacked in 1989 tour?

So we will never get to know what is Pakistani way until an Indian team tours and I hope we do in 2025 CT.

 

[Major]

Its funny how indians are giving us examples of their own players, bhai our own player was chanted with such religious chants and caught on camera

 

[globetrotter]

𝟏𝟗𝟗𝟕: Karachi crowd 𝗱𝗶𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗹𝘆 pelted stones at Indian players

𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟗: Pakistan fans abused Indian players including DK and Vijay Shankar 𝗱𝗶𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗹𝘆 when they had gone to a cafe

𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟕: Crowd abused Shami,Kohli & others 𝗱𝗶𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗹𝘆 by saying "baap kaun"

And don't even get me started about all the anti-religious and political comments made recently or in the past by Pakistan cricketers and journalists.

If you were silent on all these then you have no right to cry on a small indirect incident by the crowd.

 

[MenInG]

𝟏𝟗𝟗𝟕: Karachi crowd 𝗱𝗶𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗹𝘆 pelted stones at Indian players

𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟗: Pakistan fans abused Indian players including DK and Vijay Shankar 𝗱𝗶𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗹𝘆 when they had gone to a cafe

𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟕: Crowd abused Shami,Kohli & others 𝗱𝗶𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗹𝘆 by saying "baap kaun"

And don't even get me started about all the anti-religious and political comments made recently or in the past by Pakistan cricketers and journalists.

If you were silent on all these then you have no right to cry on a small indirect incident by the crowd.

You have obviously missed the point to this thread.

This thread is not called Who did it better, India or Pakistan crowds

Its about ma specific incident which was in bad taste in the context of Pak India relations and was brought about by some political angle.

As for us being silent, no one is justifying bad behaviour of crowds except for Indian fans.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Afghanistan, an all-MusIim team, is playing England today. Indian crowd is cheering for them, as we always do. Afghanistan even has their home ground in India, not in Pakistan.

We don't have problems with MusIim players or MusIim-only teams. We have a problem with teams or players mixing reIigion with sports and rubbing it in our face. The Ahmedabad crowd responded ONLY to that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That cheer for Rashid Khan was defeaning.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its funny how indians are giving us examples of their own players, bhai our own player was chanted with such religious chants and caught on camera

Your own PCB chief said India is a Dushman mulk. Why prove him a liar?

Learn to tolerate other religions.

 

[Mockingbird]

Your own PCB chief said India is a Dushman mulk. Why prove him a liar?

Learn to tolerate other religions.

Yeah exactly. If your PCB chief calls us a dushman, why expect friendly behavior from the crowd?

Honestly have heard worser chants in our inter-college cricket games

If the crowd and atmosphere were too offensive to the Pak team, they could have silenced them with their performance, but they couldn’t and so now the frustration is coming out in this manner.

 

[ChTab]

That is not the Pakistani way. You need to have been at some of the recent games in Pakistan.

In fact at times we are too nice.

What exactly is the 'Pakistani way'? The reason our crowd appears to be so welcoming & friendly is that we haven't had cricket in Pakistan for a long time. If all tours are normalized with standard security(no Presidential security), it's possible that in 10 years, we might witness a more hostile crowd in Pakistan. The portrayal of a 'The Pakistani way' suggests that we're some civilized nation, but the reality is quite the opposite. We are far from being a civilized society.

 

[MenInG]

What exactly is the 'Pakistani way'? The reason our crowd appears to be so welcoming & friendly is that we haven't had cricket in Pakistan for a long time. If all tours are normalized with standard security(no Presidential security), it's possible that in 10 years, we might witness a more hostile crowd in Pakistan. The portrayal of a 'The Pakistani way' suggests that we're some civilized nation, but the reality is quite the opposite. We are far from being a civilized society.

Fine that maybe the case but we are talking about now - not some hypothetical situation

 

[FPresidential]

Ok, after going through a few more videos from various sources close to me, I accept the chants raised by a section of the crowd is a borderline war cry, which I condemn. Ahmedabad is now been the epicenter of the Indian power corridor and a city not fondly known for a traditional sports lover certainly added to this. I really do hope other cities, especially eastern ones get more matches, and I am sure there a crowd ( even if a section of it would not be so partisan) . I wholeheartedly hope sports bring us together, its no war or a battle for religious supremacy. Given, we are the host, our responsibility is more towards ensuring well-being of the guests.

This

No one is bothered by booing, not clapping or whatever. It is the religious saying, “Jai Shri Ram” that was perverted by Hindutva for religious supremacy and bigotry is what everyone is bothered and have highlighted.

As expected many Hindutva giving bhashan on religious tolerance are defending this bigotry against Rizwan.

Their example of cheering for Afghanistan does not even come to play in this matter, it is perverting a religious saying to taunt because Rizwan prayed on the ground in the middle of the game and on his personal account he dedicated a win to Gaza victims.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yesterday at Ahmedabad Stadium, several disturbing incidents unfolded:

1. The opposing captain was jeered at the toss, even before the match commenced. While I personally don't take issue with player criticism, it's a common occurrence in sports.

2. The crowd resorted to chanting offensive slogans like 'Pakistan agay bado hum tumhare baap hai.' This is an utterly reprehensible thing to say, and anyone who finds it acceptable should reflect on their upbringing.

3. More disturbingly, the crowd chanted derogatory slurs like 'Chaar chawani goday par, Pakistan hmare ***** par.' It's needless to explain the extreme disrespect shown to a cricketer who is there to play the game.

4. Shockingly, people chased after Rizwan with a chant of 'Jai shree Ram.' The motive behind this senseless act is unclear. Some claim that Rizwan's expression of gratitude after achievements resulted in such behaviour . One must understand that just like other players who like to jump around the ground, roar etc after any achievement he just thanks to almighty in most silent way without provoking any opponent player of other faith. Now if other players or people are feeling insecure about his silent prayer with himself that's their problem.

Also, It's crucial to note that this behavior, sadly, is not isolated; there have been instances where Muslims in India faced violence/lynched to death after being compelled to chant similar slogans.

While fans have the right to express their opinions on players' performance, resorting to abuse is unacceptable in any sport and should be condemned by every civilized citizen.

Your own PCB chief said India is a Dushman mulk. Why prove him a liar?

Learn to tolerate other religions.

Not many here would defend the PCB anyway, that is the type of crass comment you would expect from such incompetents. But he's not wrong, Bharat has proven 100% to be a dushman mulk and they have never swerved from that stance in 15 years.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yesterday was not a game of cricket, it was a staged political event by the Indian government, and - Jay Shah.

Why is the son of Amit shah heading the BCCI?

What happened to all the politics must not mix with sport hymn sheets?

India has weaponized cricket. This is a fact proven by yesterday's abomination of a WC match.

 

[FPresidential]

Yesterday was not a game of cricket, it was a staged political event by the Indian government, and - Jay Shah.

Why is the son of Amit shah heading the BCCI?

What happened to all the politics must not mix with sport hymn sheets?

India has weaponized cricket. This is a fact proven by yesterday's abomination of a WC match.

Bharat has, but that it is looked at as an achievement by Bharati and it’s quite common in 3rd world countries.

 

[Saj]

Gautam Gambhir, one of the commentators for Star Sports, found the crowd’s behaviour in bad taste. The former cricketer reportedly said fans should learn to respect players from other countries as they are guests who have come to play the ICC Cricket World Cup 2023.

“Support your team but don’t misbehave with your visitors, after all, they are your guests,” he said. “We have to remember they are the visitors and here to play the World Cup,” he said.

 

[Devadwal]

Afganistan also a Muslim country and Today fan were Cheers for them .here go the theory of Indian hating Muslim countries team .

 

[Mesozoic]

Yesterday was not a game of cricket, it was a staged political event by the Indian government,

Then Pakistan should have boycotted it or forfeited it. No? Would have saved them and the likes like you from all the heart ache since yesterday.

 

[Technics 1210]

Then Pakistan should have boycotted it or forfeited it. No? Would have saved them and the types like you from all the heart ache.

BCCi begged for the match to happen because it it desperately needed the revenue.

We have big hearts. And stop stealing words from other posters, come back with those screenshots disproving RSS silo lies.

Have the last word.

 

[FPresidential]

Afganistan also a Muslim country and Today fan were Cheers for them .here go the theory of Indian hating Muslim countries team .

Yea, fans were cheering for Babar too.

“Jai shri Ram” is being discussed.

You should try again.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Afganistan also a Muslim country and Today fan were Cheers for them .here go the theory of Indian hating Muslim countries team .

But the argument isn't about all of Indian crowds, we are talking specifically about Gujarat. Afghans were playing in a different city, not an area where the governer oversaw a massacre of the Muslim population.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If afganistan play any corner in the India they will get same support . respect is earn . thankyou

Do they have any games scheduled in Gujarat?

 

[Devadwal]

Do they have any games scheduled in Gujarat?

Yes afganistan vs South Africa at Narendra Modi stadium on 10 November

 

[MenInG]

BCCi begged for the match to happen because it it desperately needed the revenue.

We have big hearts. And stop stealing words from other posters, come back with those screenshots disproving RSS silo lies.

Have the last word.

Seems someone got richer over playing with Pakistan so let's not even talk about why India needs to play Pakistan

[PICTURES/VIDEOS] To those who think the India-Pakistan rivalry is dead...

Let's lay this argument to rest, once for all, shall we? == Ahmedabad: Cricket fans who really wanted to get tickets for the ICC Cricket World Cup match of team India in Ahmedabad were disappointed once more. On Friday at 8 p.m., the BCCI announced the sale of 400,000 new tickets, especially...

ppforum.pakpassion.net

 

[TheSultan]

Obv some of the things the media have reported have been reprehensible.

But what did we expect? Honestly. We should have expected this from India from the start - this country is run by a right wing government, the most right wing in it’s history. This is also the same country that have tried to interfere in matches like Calcutta 96 semi final and 99 Calcutta test match. Once you decided to go there, suck it up. Otherwise we shouldn’t have gone.

What sickens me more is that due to this treatment, it’s for our players to stand tall, show some fight and guts. And stop trying to swap shirts and show your fanboyism in front of that same crowd

 

[MenInG]

If Afghanistan play any corner in the India they will get same support . respect is earn . thankyou

Once again your simplistic arguments are not only irritating but worrying.

Afghans are not cheered for because they represent the best in cricket - they are loved because of their animosity towards Pakistan.

There, I spelt it out for you.

Now sensible stuff please.

 

[Kriketer]

Yesterday at Ahmedabad Stadium, several disturbing incidents unfolded:

1. The opposing captain was jeered at the toss, even before the match commenced. While I personally don't take issue with player criticism, it's a common occurrence in sports.

2. The crowd resorted to chanting offensive slogans like 'Pakistan agay bado hum tumhare baap hai.' This is an utterly reprehensible thing to say, and anyone who finds it acceptable should reflect on their upbringing.

3. More disturbingly, the crowd chanted derogatory slurs like 'Chaar chawani goday par, Pakistan hmare ***** par.' It's needless to explain the extreme disrespect shown to a cricketer who is there to play the game.

4. Shockingly, people chased after Rizwan with a chant of 'Jai shree Ram.' The motive behind this senseless act is unclear. Some claim that Rizwan's expression of gratitude after achievements resulted in such behaviour . One must understand that just like other players who like to jump around the ground, roar etc after any achievement he just thanks to almighty in most silent way without provoking any opponent player of other faith. Now if other players or people are feeling insecure about his silent prayer with himself that's their problem.

Also, It's crucial to note that this behavior, sadly, is not isolated; there have been instances where Muslims in India faced violence/lynched to death after being compelled to chant similar slogans.

While fans have the right to express their opinions on players' performance, resorting to abuse is unacceptable in any sport and should be condemned by every civilized citizen.

Absolutely disgusting those chants. Uneducated illeterate bunch. What else can you expect when person leading is a jahil gawar from the same region so same mentality seems apparent in Northern side of India. Southern India seems much more mature and sane

 

[Devadwal]

Once again your simplistic arguments are not only irritating but worrying.

Afghans are not cheered for because they represent the best in cricket - they are loved because of their animosity towards Pakistan.

There, I spelt it out for you.

Now sensible stuff please.

Indians peoples are loving Afghanistan team nothing to do about Pakistan .
Half of their players are play IN IPL where they performed very well . So they earned the respect

 

[MenInG]

Indians peoples are loving afganistan team nothing to do about Pakistan .
Half of their players are play IN IPL where they performed very well . So they earn rhe respect

Once again, I asked you to not insult our intelligence.

 

[FPresidential]

If Afghanistan play any corner in the India they will get same support . respect is earn . thankyou

How and when did Rizwan disrespected Bharat or Bharati players that few bharati had to perverted Hindu Gods names to use as an insult for Rizwan and you must defend it?

Thanks

 

[pillionrider]

BCCi begged for the match to happen because it it desperately needed the revenue.

We have big hearts. And stop stealing words from other posters, come back with those screenshots disproving RSS silo lies.

Have the last word.

Not too big a fan of the BCCI because of how low they prioritize the Indian cricket fan, but you've been going on and on about the BCCI making money. In ICC events, I'm pretty sure the ICC collects most of the revenue. The host stadium's association gets something from the tickets. In a way though, the BCCI does earn, because they get back a substantial amount of the revenue generated whenever the ICC divides it among member nations.

 

[deltexas]

Game is done and dusted . Time to focus on the next Aus and NZ games. If pak lose their focus- they will be out of the WC very quickly. My biggest nightmare scenario is pak vs ind final and pak use all their experience from this loss to turn tables and beat ind in the final LOL !!

 

[JaDed]

I was at the ground and recorded this video.

good to see. And yeah no issue being hostile to players within limits.

 

[Devadwal]

How and when did Rizwan disrespected Bharat or Bharati players that few bharati had to perverted Hindu Gods names to use as an insult for Rizwan and you must defend it?

Thanks

When Jay shree ram chant is become abusive. If Rizwan can offer prayer in ground then fan's can chant Jay shree ram in the stadium

 

[Syed1]

While the chants and booing were disgusting, the best way to shut them up would have been to perform on the pitch which we failed to do, so no point crying now. Hope we meet again in the tournament and set things right.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Seems someone got richer over playing with Pakistan so let's not even talk about why India needs to play Pakistan

[PICTURES/VIDEOS] To those who think the India-Pakistan rivalry is dead...

Let's lay this argument to rest, once for all, shall we? == Ahmedabad: Cricket fans who really wanted to get tickets for the ICC Cricket World Cup match of team India in Ahmedabad were disappointed once more. On Friday at 8 p.m., the BCCI announced the sale of 400,000 new tickets, especially...

ppforum.pakpassion.net

Seems someone got richer over playing with Pakistan so let's not even talk about why India needs to play Pakistan

[PICTURES/VIDEOS] To those who think the India-Pakistan rivalry is dead...

Let's lay this argument to rest, once for all, shall we? == Ahmedabad: Cricket fans who really wanted to get tickets for the ICC Cricket World Cup match of team India in Ahmedabad were disappointed once more. On Friday at 8 p.m., the BCCI announced the sale of 400,000 new tickets, especially...

ppforum.pakpassion.net

A board thats projected to earn close to 8bn usd in next 5 years and after all the distribution and expenses is likely to have a surplus of 1bn plus and already has close to 2.5bn in the bank needs to earn from one match.

Ok.

 

[Swashbuckler]

The crowd yesterday went off limits. Cheering the home side doesn't mean abusing the visitors. Would like to apologize to Pak team and Pak fans for the conduct of those hooligans, am sure many Indians feel the same way as me. They were disgraceful and left a sour taste despite the Indian victory.

Hope Pakistani players get friendly crowds in the rest of the venues. I will be attending their game against South Africa in Chennai, hope to see a positive atmosphere in the stadium.

 

[FPresidential]

When Jay shree ram chant is become abusive. If Rizwan can offer prayer in ground then fan's can chant Jay shree ram in the stadium

What are you saying?

Never mind, I got my answer.

 

[FPresidential]

The crowd yesterday went off limits. Cheering the home side doesn't mean abusing the visitors. Would like to apologize to Pak team and Pak fans for the conduct of those hooligans, am sure many Indians feel the same way as me. They were disgraceful and left a sour taste despite the Indian victory.

Hope Pakistani players get friendly crowds in the rest of the venues. I will be attending their game against South Africa in Chennai, hope to see a positive atmosphere in the stadium.

Beside last game, Indian has been a great host.

And I don’t think any Indian such as yourself needs to apologize and no one is looking for apology.

But those Bharati who are defending and demeaning their own religion to defend their nationalist views should be apologizing to rest of the India.

 

[IccKnockout]

Danish Kaneria tweeted a video of Shehzaad asking Dilshan to convert (On a cricket field) with the title that he was always under pressure to convert to Islam

 

[Josh]

There was a good support for Afghanistan from India crowd today

 

[Major]

Afganistan also a Muslim country and Today fan were Cheers for them .here go the theory of Indian hating Muslim countries team .

Oh bhai what don't you not understand?

This is not your typical politic thread where you bring in other cases to say look we treat them good.

There is video evidence of Pakistani players being jeered, discuss that because that happened rather than downplay it by bringing something else in

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Once again your simplistic arguments are not only irritating but worrying.

Afghans are not cheered for because they represent the best in cricket - they are loved because of their animosity towards Pakistan.

There, I spelt it out for you.

Now sensible stuff please.

If Pakistan wasn't there, they would hate Afghanistan and vice versa. it wasn't Pakistanis who were at the receiving end of riots in Ahmedabad in 2002.

 

[globetrotter]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1713400246339055860

Ex-Pakistani player slammed Rizwan

 

[Kriketer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1713400246339055860

Ex-Pakistani player slammed Rizwan

That's his opinion which he can freely express in Pakistan. We know how an Indian Muslim cricketer opinion will be received if he comments anything pro-palestinian. Palestine is going though genocide so Rizwan and other Pakistani cricketers should certainly raise awareness and keep posting about it. Indian can fume and cry over it all they want, wouldnt make any difference.

 

[Major]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1713400246339055860

Ex-Pakistani player slammed Rizwan

Fixed games and bought shame for the country. Now he sits on twitter and sprouts garbage.

I hope his highest spin wicekt taker record would be gone one day. I would had played Yasir Shah ten more tests just so that Kaneria's record could be broken once and for all and be forgotten.

Makes me angry when players who sold the game talk big

 

[globetrotter]

That's his opinion which he can freely express in Pakistan. We know how an Indian Muslim cricketer opinion will be received if he comments anything pro-palestinian. Palestine is going though genocide so Rizwan and other Pakistani cricketers should certainly raise awareness and keep posting about it. Indian can fume and cry over it all they want, wouldnt make any difference.

IMO any cricketer irrespective of his religion should stay away from making such post... he shouldn't mix religion with sport. If he still want to do such things, then don't blame the crowd...

 

[FPresidential]

IMO any cricketer irrespective of his religion should stay away from making such post... he shouldn't mix religion with sport. If he still want to do such things, then don't blame the crowd...

How and when he mixed it?

Please explain.

It has now become apparent that most Bharti are unable to use two brain cells and are good for regurgitating whatever they hear on ther bharati media.

But please explain how and when did Rizwan mixed sports and religion.

Thanks

 

[Kriketer]

IMO any cricketer irrespective of his religion should stay away from making such post... he shouldn't mix religion with sport. If he still want to do such things, then don't blame the crowd...

Not at all. It's a platform to spread awareness and when millions have suffered for decades and thousands of children get bombed, I would love to see much more awareness/social media post from our players as they have wider reach. You or anyone has no right on personal opinions of sportmen, they have every right to express their stance and they are not doing it at the actual game so what's the fuss about? Don't confuse it with jahil gawar screaming religious slogans at him just to get back for their frustration and hate for Muslims. If Muslims screamed Allah-o-Akbar on Kholi face just for cheap shot of say getting back, I would equally find it as a third class behavior

 

[Sir Alex]

I agree with you.

But then, you are not realising that Bharat is going through an awakening as a nation which is rare in the history of the world. The nationalistic passion is in full swing. They are extremely politically aware and hold a massive grudge against Pakistan for being distraction from growth and development in this region. So they vent all their anger at them. And again, the match happened at Agmedabad, the political hub of nationalist Bharat.

Seems it is only when they play cricket they are bothered about Pakistan these days though.

 

[FPresidential]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1713400246339055860

Ex-Pakistani player slammed Rizwan

slammed for what?

Why are Bharti upset over Rizwan tweeting in support of Gaza?

He hasn’t done it while playing, he never said anything when he got the MoM award, he isn’t wearing Palestinian shirt, and the win wasn’t even against Bharat.

Why are Bharati so easily offended over a Pakistani player when bharat isn’t even involved except being a host country.

I heard a lawyer filed a case in India against Rizwan, a perfect opportunity to get 15 seconds of Shame, 15 mins of fame would be too long in bharat.

What is wrong with y’all ?

 

[Sir Alex]

Yesterday at Ahmedabad Stadium, several disturbing incidents unfolded:

1. The opposing captain was jeered at the toss, even before the match commenced. While I personally don't take issue with player criticism, it's a common occurrence in sports.

2. The crowd resorted to chanting offensive slogans like 'Pakistan agay bado hum tumhare baap hai.' This is an utterly reprehensible thing to say, and anyone who finds it acceptable should reflect on their upbringing.

3. More disturbingly, the crowd chanted derogatory slurs like 'Chaar chawani goday par, Pakistan hmare ***** par.' It's needless to explain the extreme disrespect shown to a cricketer who is there to play the game.

4. Shockingly, people chased after Rizwan with a chant of 'Jai shree Ram.' The motive behind this senseless act is unclear. Some claim that Rizwan's expression of gratitude after achievements resulted in such behaviour . One must understand that just like other players who like to jump around the ground, roar etc after any achievement he just thanks to almighty in most silent way without provoking any opponent player of other faith. Now if other players or people are feeling insecure about his silent prayer with himself that's their problem.

Also, It's crucial to note that this behavior, sadly, is not isolated; there have been instances where Muslims in India faced violence/lynched to death after being compelled to chant similar slogans.

While fans have the right to express their opinions on players' performance, resorting to abuse is unacceptable in any sport and should be condemned by every civilized citizen.

I don't understand this. Rizwan doing sajda mid pitch after a landmark is civilized and OK but when other people express their religion it isn't? Either allow both or allow none. How do you judge what is provocation and what is not? If Kohli , who's playing at Karachi , brings out an idol and stats doing puja mid pitch after India has won a match,m, will that not be looked down upon, if not treated as a provocation?

I am in favor of zero religion in sports. Let it be limited to places of worship or in private.

 

[saqib.rai]

Beside last game, Indian has been a great host.

And I don’t think any Indian such as yourself needs to apologize and no one is looking for apology.

But those Bharati who are defending and demeaning their own religion to defend their nationalist views should be apologizing to rest of the India.

Babar being booed at the toss was normal- opposing players get booed all the time in football.

But 'jai shri ram' chants directed at Rizwan after he got out and the 'tum hamare bache hoo, hum tumhare baap hain' slogans were utterly disrespectful and shameless. If this had happened in a Pakistani stadium, the ICC would have banned that stadium from hosting international games for a substantial period of time by justifying it through spirit of cricket.

I was a big supporter of Us going to India for the World Cup, as boycotting would have ended up hurting us more than India and the ICC.

BUT now I feel we should have not played in Ahmedabad, should have demanded change in venue and boycotted the game if the venue was not changed.

Also we have India written on our jersey when they refused to write Pakistan on theirs during the Asia Cup. We should just cover India on the jerseys and pay whatever fine ICC imposes.

Also Ahmedabad showed how much India is divided, people in the South hardly care about the Hindu nationalism of the BJP but the people in the Hindi belt and Gujrat have become bigots.

 

[Hitman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1713616790847442960

 

[chinaman00]

Yesterday at Ahmedabad Stadium, several disturbing incidents unfolded:

1. The opposing captain was jeered at the toss, even before the match commenced. While I personally don't take issue with player criticism, it's a common occurrence in sports.

2. The crowd resorted to chanting offensive slogans like 'Pakistan agay bado hum tumhare baap hai.' This is an utterly reprehensible thing to say, and anyone who finds it acceptable should reflect on their upbringing.

3. More disturbingly, the crowd chanted derogatory slurs like 'Chaar chawani goday par, Pakistan hmare ***** par.' It's needless to explain the extreme disrespect shown to a cricketer who is there to play the game.

4. Shockingly, people chased after Rizwan with a chant of 'Jai shree Ram.' The motive behind this senseless act is unclear. Some claim that Rizwan's expression of gratitude after achievements resulted in such behaviour . One must understand that just like other players who like to jump around the ground, roar etc after any achievement he just thanks to almighty in most silent way without provoking any opponent player of other faith. Now if other players or people are feeling insecure about his silent prayer with himself that's their problem.

Also, It's crucial to note that this behavior, sadly, is not isolated; there have been instances where Muslims in India faced violence/lynched to death after being compelled to chant similar slogans.

While fans have the right to express their opinions on players' performance, resorting to abuse is unacceptable in any sport and should be condemned by every civilized citizen.

Ahmedabad is the heart of the Hindu nationalists. This is where the notorious pograms against Muslims were carried out. Anti-Muslim bigotry runs deep here, it’s no coincidence that the Pakistan-India clash was scheduled here.

Having said that, the best way to deal with such crowd was to win and shut them down for good. Instead, the Pakistani players folded like a piece of paper. So there’s no point crying about what happened. India did everything to prepare for this clash while Pakistan stuck to their tradition of unprofessionalism.

 

[Sir Alex]

I remember the Asia Cup Final in 2016 Dhaka when entire crowd was supporting Bangladesh but somehow Kohli and later Dhoni's 104m six silenced them. Though the crowd was not as edgy as this one but 99% of the crowd that day was supporting BD. So its not as if Indian players has never played in such environment or cannot perform when heat is on. However, most of the time Indian players will get support as we Indians are everywhere in the planet earth.

Indian team don't visit Pakistan due to political issues. PCB should have done the same if they feels BCCI is being unfair to them. Personally I would love India to play in Pakistan in 2025. One thing I can guarantee though, this Indian side will not surrender like how Pakistan has done in this game or in Asia cup...irrespective of whether the game is in Pindi, Ahmedabad or Timbuktu.

Sachin's 100 at the Pindi in 2004. Pin drop silence. .

Once again your simplistic arguments are not only irritating but worrying.

Afghans are not cheered for because they represent the best in cricket - they are loved because of their animosity towards Pakistan.

There, I spelt it out for you.

Now sensible stuff please.

Not all of it. Afg is now ruled by a regime with whom India has no diplomatic relations. Yet Agghanistani players are loved because of their wholesomeness.

Babar as such does not get much of a flak in India because he is not considered a confrontational person. Rather a gentleman. The boos he got was for being the Pak captain in a Indo Pak game. Sports fan boo the opposite team is nothing new. In the IPL, Indian stars themselves get booed sometimes yet when they play for India everyone gets behind them. If somehow Babar were to play for Gujarst Titans he'd be celebrated by the same crowd.

 

[FPresidential]

I don't understand this. Rizwan doing sajda mid pitch after a landmark is civilized and OK but when other people express their religion it isn't? Either allow both or allow none. How do you judge what is provocation and what is not? If Kohli , who's playing at Karachi , brings out an idol and stats doing puja mid pitch after India has won a match,m, will that not be looked down upon, if not treated as a provocation?

I am in favor of zero religion in sports. Let it be limited to places of worship or in private.

As if no Bharati ever thanked God after scoring century and for that matter any Christian doing cross after scoring century.

Even if y’all try not to be bigot but come off as one due perpetual conditioning by your media and environment.

Yall conditioned to be anti-Pakistani and pretend to be not anti-Muslim when Pakistan is not involved.

It’s remarkable.

 

[ChennaiFan]

The crowd yesterday went off limits. Cheering the home side doesn't mean abusing the visitors. Would like to apologize to Pak team and Pak fans for the conduct of those hooligans, am sure many Indians feel the same way as me. They were disgraceful and left a sour taste despite the Indian victory.

Hope Pakistani players get friendly crowds in the rest of the venues. I will be attending their game against South Africa in Chennai, hope to see a positive atmosphere in the stadium.

My thoughts are similar as well. I like many of the players in this Pakistani team. Their on-field behaviors are exemplary.

How a section of the crowd behaved is wrong. People encouraging or justifying such behavior are actually doing a disservice to our community, our nation, and the game.

1. Forget about nationality for a moment, they are our fellow humans. They are here to play games in front of us and we should be grateful to them.
2. Hatred towards the players, if not towards anyone, actually burns you from the inside. You are spoiling your life with hatred.
3. If putting down others is what makes a person happy, I would encourage them to have a hard look at their life. Probably some introspection or counseling could help.

Hope all the visiting teams including the Pakistani team get good encouragement in the remaining matches.

 

[Itachi]

Oh bhai what don't you not understand?

This is not your typical politic thread where you bring in other cases to say look we treat them good.

There is video evidence of Pakistani players being jeered, discuss that because that happened rather than downplay it by bringing something else in

Many people have pointed the religious angle so it's very much relevant to the thread.

people are not against islam.

They don't like Pakistan.

So religious angle doesn't apply here.

The pakistani angle.... Well it may.

 

[Sir Alex]

As if no Bharati ever thanked God after scoring century and for that matter any Christian doing cross after scoring century.

Even if y’all try not to be bigot but come off as one due perpetual conditioning by your media and environment.

Yall conditioned to be anti-Pakistani and pretend to be not anti-Muslim when Pakistan is not involved.

It’s remarkable.

It's I said before either allow all or allow none.

Can't have selective policy for some and not for others.

If Rizwan and entire Pak team can do sajda and duua, crowds can chant hail Mary or jai sri ram or aum mani hum or Glory to Trump. It is their choice.

 

[Sir Alex]

My thoughts are similar as well. I like many of the players in this Pakistani team. Their on-field behaviors are exemplary.

How a section of the crowd behaved is wrong. People encouraging or justifying such behavior are actually doing a disservice to our community, our nation, and the game.

1. Forget about nationality for a moment, they are our fellow humans. They are here to play games in front of us and we should be grateful to them.
2. Hatred towards the players, if not towards anyone, actually burns you from the inside. You are spoiling your life with hatred.
3. If putting down others is what makes a person happy, I would encourage them to have a hard look at their life. Probably some introspection or counseling could help.

Hope all the visiting teams including the Pakistani team get good encouragement in the remaining matches.

So why is Sri Lankan players disallowed to play in Tamil Nadu ?

 

[Hitman]

I bet you none of the issues would have arised if Pakistan had not lost.

 

[FPresidential]

It's I said before either allow all or allow none.

Can't have selective policy for some and not for others.

If Rizwan and entire Pak team can do sajda and duua, crowds can chant hail Mary or jai sri ram or aum mani hum or Glory to Trump. It is their choice.

You make absolutely no sense.

It almost appear as if y’all intentionally trying to appear, let’s say “special”.

But yea carry on.

You gave Kholi’s example as defense and now crowd can express their religion. Lol

As I’ve said conditioned to be hardcore nationalist to the point where y’all even defend anyone who perverted your own religion as long as he/she is bharti.

Remarkable.

 

[Ali T]

I bet you none of the issues would have arised if Pakistan had not lost.

I don't disagree.
The narrative would have been we won despite blah blah hence we are the frontrunners to win the WC

 

[FPresidential]

I bet you none of the issues would have arised if Pakistan had not lost.

Yup,

Great reply

 

[saqib.rai]

good to see. And yeah no issue being hostile to players within limits.

Just curious, how much did you pay for the ticket?

 

[globetrotter]

all. It's a platform to spread awareness and when millions have suffered for decades and thousands of children get bombed, I would love to see much more awareness/social media post from our players as they have wider reach. You or anyone has no right on personal opinions of sportmen, they have every right to express their stance and they are not doing it at the actual game so what's the fuss about? Don't confuse it with jahil gawar screaming religious slogans at him just to geNot att back for their frustration and hate for Muslims. If Muslims screamed Allah-o-

So Rizwan have a freedom of expression to express his views, so as the crowd....... in today's social media world, ppls are watching players post, behavior etc. may be ppls not liked his post and crowd reacted accordingly.

Danish has rightly pointed out to Rizwan that his post should be devoted to humanity!

 

[ChennaiFan]

So why is Sri Lankan players disallowed to play in Tamil Nadu ?

In IPL, two Sri Lankans play for CSK. Other Sri Lankans playing for other teams have played in Chennai.

 

[globetrotter]

During India - Afghanistan Match, crowd booed and shouted when Naveen came to bowl Virat Kohli (spat was happened between these two during IPL Match).... But Afghanistan Team or Management never complained about it despite loosing the match

 

[Major]

Many people have pointed the religious angle so it's very much relevant to the thread.

people are not against islam.

They don't like Pakistan.

So religious angle doesn't apply here.

The pakistani angle.... Well it may.

JAI SHRI RAM is not religous?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Fixed games and bought shame for the country. Now he sits on twitter and sprouts garbage.

I hope his highest spin wicekt taker record would be gone one day. I would had played Yasir Shah ten more tests just so that Kaneria's record could be broken once and for all and be forgotten.

Makes me angry when players who sold the game talk big

Isnt that like half of your cricketers from the 90's?

 

[Hitman]

Just to refresh memories, this how some Pakistani fans behaved after India's defeat in Champions Trophy, 2017 -

Champions Trophy 2017: Mohammed Shami loses cool over ‘Baap Kaun Hai’ taunts

 

[Hitman]

Isnt that like half of your cricketers from the 90's?

You're kidding, right? You can count the number of Pakistani cricketers who were clean in the 90's - Amir Sohail, Rasheed Latif, Basit Ali .... have I forgotten someone?

 

[Mockingbird]

My thoughts are similar as well. I like many of the players in this Pakistani team. Their on-field behaviors are exemplary.

How a section of the crowd behaved is wrong. People encouraging or justifying such behavior are actually doing a disservice to our community, our nation, and the game.

1. Forget about nationality for a moment, they are our fellow humans. They are here to play games in front of us and we should be grateful to them.
2. Hatred towards the players, if not towards anyone, actually burns you from the inside. You are spoiling your life with hatred.
3. If putting down others is what makes a person happy, I would encourage them to have a hard look at their life. Probably some introspection or counseling could help.

Hope all the visiting teams including the Pakistani team get good encouragement in the remaining matches.

Stop these appeasement of the Pakistani players & for heaven sake the coying display of welcome- they are like any other team who have come here to play the game & deserve no special attention. They are not our guests- they are reluctantly here on ICC directive & we should always remember that. I for one, am happy the kid gloves were taken off the field - they are our rivals and will be treated that way. Too bad if the Pak cricketers couldn’t take the pressure!

Before coming here, their board president called us an enemy country, their ex-cricketers constantly take pot-shots at our religion, call us weak and not what because we don’t eat meat, so why should we bear their insults? We know to give back as good as we get.

Yes, no DJ will play Dil Dil Pakistan (but neither does the DJ play songs from any other country) , but that is not the reason they get beaten soundly by us every time we meet. It is just a deflection tactic by their non-present, non-performing coach who can’t be bothered to be present for any of their games but is scared of losing his side income.

Also lastly you Chennaiites wouldn’t let Sri Lankan cricketers play in your state for a long time due to political reasons, so why are you guys now appeasing the Pakistanis? As if you guys are morally superior to the rest of the country.

 

[uppercut]

Obv some of the things the media have reported have been reprehensible.

But what did we expect? Honestly. We should have expected this from India from the start - this country is run by a right wing government, the most right wing in it’s history. This is also the same country that have tried to interfere in matches like Calcutta 96 semi final and 99 Calcutta test match. Once you decided to go there, suck it up. Otherwise we shouldn’t have gone.

What sickens me more is that due to this treatment, it’s for our players to stand tall, show some fight and guts. And stop trying to swap shirts and show your fanboyism in front of that same crowd

Do you realize that BJP/RSS was/is in never in any control of Kolkatta (Calcutta) back in the 90s or even now as of this day ?? Dont take my word ...ask around or just google.