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England (170/2) thrash Pakistan (169/6) by 8 wickets in the 6th T20I in Lahore

castortroy said:
Pak are probably one of the worst performing teams in Australia so expect nothing from them.

Bookmark this but Aussies won't lose a game. England will be only ones to challenge
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Agree

Australia will be hard to beat - especially if Cameron Green performs. England will only team to challenge them
 
Ashmal said:
Who's saying that.....but they are certainly not at full-strength without him.

You forgot Naseem too.
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The point is he will not change the result. He is an impactless player just like Baber.
 
Titan24 said:
Absolutely, Pak did extremely well under dew in the last match which was against the flow too. You will rarely find people who want to debate based upon on facts, numbers etc. Its either everything is bright or everything is finished without taking into account any other factor.
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T20 has been here for a while and they still haven't come to realize it's nature.
 
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Ashmal said:
This.

Having said that, bowling has been pretty poor too.
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I agree. Dahani for example bowls some good balls and then changes his plan and bowls "hit me" balls. I am sure he will become smarter as he gets used to the wet ball bowling.
 
Rana said:
I’ll explain…

Pakistan for the past 2 years or so have been playing cricket in their own stubborn way. The fluke wins here and there have deluded them into believing their way is a perfect way of playing T20

You should have listened to Amir Sohail speaking to Butcher today. He was asking him if England would consider playing the powerplay the way Babar and Rizwan do….that’s pure pure arrogance!

We have become so comfortable in our lethargic approach, and we rightly cannot break those shackles! The fans here were going nuts at Harris trying to make things happen!

We deserve this humiliation. It’s true. It’s damn true.
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calm down

series is 3-3 not 6-0
 
Marooned said:
Brainless posters the whole lot of them.

T20 has been here for a while and they still haven't come to realize it's nature.
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Funny thing is even in this match its one guy having a day of his international career possibly so far. This alone has gotten people into extreme zones.
 
NishanKonar said:
Agree

Australia will be hard to beat - especially if Cameron Green performs. England will only team to challenge them
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Australia is the team to beat, especially in their own conditions. England is a good team, but I am not convinced with their bowling unit.

Apart from Australia, I expect India to do well in Australian conditions. And I want India to win the world cup :-)
 
[MENTION=141811]shariqnoor[/MENTION] where are you?

Are you enjoying Babar’s captaincy?
 
Wonder how things would have panned out, if Salt was gone first ball, little bit closer to Shahdab and he be gone. Another what if :)
 
One positive - it goes to a deciding match on Sunday.

This is embarrassing stuff.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
For the England innings yes. Doesn't really excuse Pakistan's timid batting though.
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As you know dew not only makes it difficult for bowlers to grip but, also allows the ball to come onto the bat really well. Pak's batting without a doubt needs improvement but, this was an extreme with one guy having a day of his international T20 career and dew becoming quite a factor. Pak defended 140 odd against this very Eng batting lineup
 
Kinda saw this coming when the bowlers don’t include Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem, heck even Hasnain. I feel like with Dahanis constant hit the deck approach, he’d be better for red ball cricket (at least for now). Time will tell overall if he can develop the skills required for white ball cricket.
 
ChennaiFan said:
Australia is the team to beat, especially in their own conditions. England is a good team, but I am not convinced with their bowling unit.

Apart from Australia, I expect India to do well in Australian conditions. And I want India to win the world cup :-)
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Agree with you on England, not convinced myself. Surprised you fancy India to do well though, but I guess if the pitches are true, then their record in Aus is pretty decent.
 
ChennaiFan said:
Australia is the team to beat, especially in their own conditions. England is a good team, but I am not convinced with their bowling unit.

Apart from Australia, I expect India to do well in Australian conditions. And I want India to win the world cup :-)
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I also think Australia have a strong chance , there bowling is very very good , also batting is not bad Warner , Stonis , Marsh , Wade , Maxwell all very good hitters

Cummins , Hazelwood , Starc and Zampa make a perfect bowling unit in those conditions.
 
ChennaiFan said:
Australia is the team to beat, especially in their own conditions. England is a good team, but I am not convinced with their bowling unit.

Apart from Australia, I expect India to do well in Australian conditions. And I want India to win the world cup :-)
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Of Bumrah is out, India won't challenge Australia
 
[MENTION=146948]Slim[/MENTION] I see you haven’t tagged me for a long time
 
Justcrazy said:
I also think Australia have a strong chance , there bowling is very very good , also batting is not bad Warner , Stonis , Marsh , Wade , Maxwell all very good hitters

Cummins , Hazelwood , Starc and Zampa make a perfect bowling unit in those conditions.
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You forgot Cam Green. He is a monster
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Agree with you on England, not convinced myself. Surprised you fancy India to do well though, but I guess if the pitches are true, then their record in Aus is pretty decent.
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India without Bumrah will struggle , it was a big blow.

Bumrah makes a big difference.
 
Rana said:
I’ll explain…

Pakistan for the past 2 years or so have been playing cricket in their own stubborn way. The fluke wins here and there have deluded them into believing their way is a perfect way of playing T20

You should have listened to Amir Sohail speaking to Butcher today. He was asking him if England would consider playing the powerplay the way Babar and Rizwan do….that’s pure pure arrogance!

We have become so comfortable in our lethargic approach, and we rightly cannot break those shackles! The fans here were going nuts at Harris trying to make things happen!

We deserve this humiliation. It’s true. It’s damn true.
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I understand where you are coming from. But Pakistan has tried many so called “hitters” and none of have established themselves. In this game itself, no one was stopping Haris, Haider, and Asif to pull of a Salt type of innings, but did it happen? You have to blame the player themselves.

There is some truth to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]’s stance that this is not JUST an approach problem, it is also lack of skills and talent, particularly because these batsmen are playing at home.

I too am a fan of Sharjeel 2016 but Sharjeel 2022 is nowhere close, and don’t be fooled by NT20 performances. Haider, Haris, Nawaz, Babar, Rizwan and Chachu all play like Butler on steroids in domestic NT20. Just look at their stats. Sharjeel’s fitness has become even worse this year than last year.
 
Great stuff from England, look forward to an epic finale in the final game after a brilliant series
 
Farabi said:
I understand where you are coming from. But Pakistan has tried many so called “hitters” and none of have established themselves. In this game itself, no one was stopping Haris, Haider, and Asif to pull of a Salt type of innings, but did it happen? You have to blame the player themselves.

There is some truth to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]’s stance that this is not JUST an approach problem, it is also lack of skills and talent, particularly because these batsmen are playing at home.

I too am a fan of Sharjeel 2016 but Sharjeel 2022 is nowhere close, and don’t be fooled by NT20 performances. Haider, Haris, Nawaz, Babar, Rizwan and Chachu all play like Butler on steroids in domestic NT20. Just look at their stats. Sharjeel’s fitness has become even worse this year than last year.
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Pakistan have not tried any hitters in the places where it matters most!

A good powerplay and look, it’s game over. The powerplay is key, we don’t seem to understand that for the team. We understand that for our favourites only!

Sharjeel
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan
Iftikhar

There, I’ve added your favourites and I’ve given you a chance to compete too.
 
On the aussie tracks it's all about power hitting and athletic fielding

Pak have absolute zero chance
 
Pakistan do lack proper middle order batters , it is a fact , these tape ball hitters are not going to be consistent at International level.
 
Farabi said:
I understand where you are coming from. But Pakistan has tried many so called “hitters” and none of have established themselves. In this game itself, no one was stopping Haris, Haider, and Asif to pull of a Salt type of innings, but did it happen? You have to blame the player themselves.

There is some truth to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]’s stance that this is not JUST an approach problem, it is also lack of skills and talent, particularly because these batsmen are playing at home.

I too am a fan of Sharjeel 2016 but Sharjeel 2022 is nowhere close, and don’t be fooled by NT20 performances. Haider, Haris, Nawaz, Babar, Rizwan and Chachu all play like Butler on steroids in domestic NT20. Just look at their stats. Sharjeel’s fitness has become even worse this year than last year.
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They keep getting dropped and they have developed fear in their minds that they will get drop if they don't score like Rizwan and Baber do. Problem is we have never backed attacking mindset batsmen that much too be honest. In Pakistan we cherish 40 balls 50s risk free innings and reason why Rizwan and Baber keep playing like that irrespective of the result.
 
all those complaining about dew knows nothing about the game, the pitch is a batting beauty Pakistan captain has zero reading of the surface when he comes and say in every match 160 is par score.

their was more dew in the previous game but the surface was too slow, its about time someone teaches pakistan batting a lesson on T20, this hammering serves well
 
England’s openers pecking order…

Butler
Hales
Bairstow
Roy
Banton
Jacks
Salt

Salt honestly is right at the bottom…I have never seen Babar and Rizwan play an innings like this against b, c teams they have racked up runs against
 
Rana said:
[MENTION=141811]shariqnoor[/MENTION] where are you?

Are you enjoying Babar’s captaincy?
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I see I'm living rent free in your head.

I have very middling expectations from this team anyways. For them to have the series 3-3 after having lost the toss 5 out of 6 times, is a great achievement. On the other hand, its deluded posters like you who think a spot-fixer should be a part of the team and this team will score 5,000 runs in the powerplay. The fact that you support a spot fixer tells me a lot about your views on corruption.
 
fight_club said:
all those complaining about dew knows nothing about the game, the pitch is a batting beauty Pakistan captain has zero reading of the surface when he comes and say in every match 160 is par score.

their was more dew in the previous game but the surface was too slow, its about time someone teaches pakistan batting a lesson on T20, this hammering serves well
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Do you have some kind of a dew recorder?🙂

It wasn't this batting beauty when we were batting.

Just one of those days.
 
shariqnoor said:
I see I'm living rent free in your head.

I have very middling expectations from this team anyways. For them to have the series 3-3 after having lost the toss 5 out of 6 times, is a great achievement. On the other hand, its deluded posters like you who think a spot-fixer should be a part of the team and this team will score 5,000 runs in the powerplay. The fact that you support a spot fixer tells me a lot about your views on corruption.
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Oh yes the self righteous and the honourable Shariqnoor

Good to see you are here still
 
your premier hitter is making a run a ball 9 even when he had all the time in the world

nawaz in place of shadab

aamer who has a sr of 170+ is not even being sent in to bat

but top order is the problem
 
I was watching fc match today bw central punjab and sindh. CP delayed the declaration for good 10 overs so that tayab tahir could get his 150 and the match ended up in a lame draw which could have been made interesting if the declaration was made earlier.

Thats the mindset in our domestics at the moment.
 
That's how you play T20s.
It's okay, Pakistan will come around to the reality that the philosophy and personnel need an overhaul, but only after doing badly in the World Cup and another full year after that of the same misery. Because that's how we are.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Agree with you on England, not convinced myself. Surprised you fancy India to do well though, but I guess if the pitches are true, then their record in Aus is pretty decent.
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On big Australian grounds, I expect Indian spinners to do well (at least not as bad as they did elsewhere :-) ). In batting, KL Rahul is our weak link currently. If he and one of the pacers step up, India can do well in the tournament. Also, I believe in Rohit's tactical captaincy.

If Australia plays someone else in the place of Steve Smith, that team is super strong. South Africa also has a good team, but they somehow mess up in ICC tournaments. Let us hope they play their best this time.
 
Anis Shivani said:
That's how you play T20s.
It's okay, Pakistan will come around to the reality that the philosophy and personnel need an overhaul, but only after doing badly in the World Cup and another full year after that of the same misery. Because that's how we are.
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InshaAllah Aqib Javed to coach Pakistan if the PCB don’t want to spend the right amount of money for a proper international coach

Not Andy Flower who loves Shan Masood!!
 
Never seen anything like this at international level then again we played a gun barrel attack
 
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