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England (247) beat Pakistan (195) by 52 runs in the 2nd ODI to take unassailable lead in the series

Titan24 said:
I think the plan possibly was to survive first 10 overs for 40/50 without losing much wickets. They didnt take into account the techniques of batsmen and the conditions werent ideal to play a survivor today.
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That plan has literally never worked for Pak. You get those worst of both worlds with that approach. The innings go nowhere and you still end up losing a bunch of wickets
 
Wouldn't be surprised if Misbah has a go at Maqsood and blames him for throwing his wicket away while saying nothing to Fakhar
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Yup an inform Haris Sohail.
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Haven’t seen that (an inform HS). All I have seen are airy fairy drives through gully / third slip during the 2018 tour of ENG. Citing this one because it was supposedly a good tour for him.

In addition to that, aerial drives at catchable height through covers. Plays far away from his body and often tends to get thick outside edges.

Don’t think the 2019 tour of AUS or the 2020 tour of NZD needs to be talked about.

Was at the ground for the games during CWC19 when he scored a few 50s (SAF and NZD) but I wouldn’t say he combated any particular swing in those innings.

Which innings are you referring to? I may well have missed it (haven’t watched a lot of cricket this decade).
 
Saud has been the best batsman on show for Pak today and he is playing his second match at this level. Sums up how poor the main bunch has been
 
Snowflake said:
What are you talking about? 1 run 2 balls is worse than 10 for 44 (or whatever it was)? Come on, this is basic.
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We’re chasing 250, not 350 !!!

Imam ul Haq’s role in the team is to see off the new ball, do you disagree with that?

Fakhar Zaman was doing the right thing, the run rate required wasn’t 15 an over, it was around 6.
 
SangasCoverDrive said:
Once a hack, always a hack. Maqsood is a hack, don't expect anything else from him.
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Opens his chest by pivoting around his hips and then plays with an angled bat. He played a few cover drives which did not go to the boundary but were well timed nonetheless. Why not play sensibly given there are gaps in the field?
 
Savak said:
Yousaf would not go gaga over him for nothing
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Need to make sure he is permanent feature new number 4 at least 5 is a bit low for the guy. Lacks a bit of power game but for OdI seems alright
 
Abdurmirr said:
Mickey was coach for 3 years, why didn't he give Saud a chance

Not everything is Misbah's fault
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Misbah loves to block out promising youngsters in order to facilitate his mediocre pals.

You're right about MA, but Misbah been in charge for 2 years now, should have been given his chance well before now under his reign.
 
castortroy said:
It's crazy but I would have Gregory, mammood and Overton over all our bowlers
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Bro they've played all their life on these pitches they know how to exploit these conditions. Their real test will be away from the den. not saying they are bad
 
Titan24 said:
Saud has been the best batsman on show for Pak today and he is playing his second match at this level. Sums up how poor the main bunch has been
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I know he has no stats but I saw Mubashir play for Northerns and I can tell you he has something. Surely, the guys that get paid to watch and pick these guys have more knowledge than a lay man like me.
 
Shadab trying to emulate Babar here with these shots. :smith
 
This is why I rate Haris Sohail so highly. He is one of the best genuine batsman we have among hacks and tailenders. Too bad he is having injury issues.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Watch him get smashed out of a career the next time he plays anyone. Mediocre one dimensional bowler, being made to look like a Dale Steyn for some reason.
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No, he bowled with a good plan. On the other hand, Brydon Carse belongs to a county 2nd XI team
 
YousafTheBeast said:
We’re chasing 250, not 350 !!!

Imam ul Haq’s role in the team is to see off the new ball, do you disagree with that?

Fakhar Zaman was doing the right thing, the run rate required wasn’t 15 an over, it was around 6.
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You didn't answer the question
 
Mamoon said:
I don’t support this team.

A talentless and mentally weak team does not deserve my support.
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So you’re a glory hunter? You support a team that wins, or you’re a plastic fan? Someone that can’t support his team when they lose, but will cheer for them when they do well?
 
Yk313 said:
Opens his chest by pivoting around his hips and then plays with an angled bat. He played a few cover drives which did not go to the boundary but were well timed nonetheless. Why not play sensibly given there are gaps in the field?
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His dismissal ****** me off. Why is there is this obsession among Pakistan's batsman to play high risk shots in middle overs? This is a 50 over match for god sake. Just occupy the crease and bat out the overs. There was no need to play risky shots. Pathetic !!
 
I think we missed a trick by not dropping Faheem.

Why weren't we allowed to name a replacement for Haris Sohail? Imad would have been perfect.
 
Misbah's time has to be up if we lose this game (and therefore the series).


We were nowhere near this bad when Mickey's Pakistan were playing white ball cricket in England.

We were scoring 300+ consistently against England's first string bowling attack.

This is beyond defensible even for Misbah's loyalists.
 
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MRSN said:
This is why I rate Haris Sohail so highly. He is one of the best genuine batsman we have among hacks and tailenders. Too bad he is having injury issues.
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Haris isn't fit to play International cricket and due to his poor fitness he has never kicked on. He is only in the conversation because these numpties are so bad. Haris was also awful in NZ
 
Bewal Express said:
Haris isn't fit to play International cricket and due to his poor fitness he has never kicked on. He is only in the conversation because these numpties are so bad. Haris was also awful in NZ
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And awful in AUS. Got injured before the tour of SAF so didn’t managed to complete the quartet (scored runs in ENG in 2018 but was unconvincing and provided a blueprint to bowl to him which NZD capitalised on).
 
topspin said:
Misbah's time has to be up if we lose this game (and therefore the series).


We were nowhere near this bad when Mickey's Pakistan were playing white ball cricket in England.

We were scoring 300+ consistently against England's first string bowling attack.

This is beyond defensible even for Misbah's loyalists.
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Completely different conditions but still, we were playing better under Mickey.
 
Snowflake said:
You didn't answer the question
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1 run in 2 balls is worse than 10 off 44 when chasing 250 on a pitch that’s doing a lot.

Had Imam stayed in for another 5-6 overs, it would’ve allowed other to play more freely. Instead, he forced Babar to come in early, and exposed him to the biggest threat, Saqib Mehmood
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
His dismissal ****** me off. Why is there is this obsession among Pakistan's batsman to play high risk shots in middle overs? This is a 50 over match for god sake. Just occupy the crease and bat out the overs. There was no need to play risky shots. Pathetic !!
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Most cannot rotate strike (turn their wrists on straight deliveries on the body or open the blade to guide the wide delivery to third man - both staple ways of scoring singles in ODIs).

He did not get out off a risky shot, per se. Got himself in a tangle due to his flawed technique and when the ball bounced slightly higher he found himself cramped for room and ended up playing a nothing shot. He seemed to be wanting to club it through midwicket again.

His initial burst seemed to suggest to PAK fans that he was countering the pressure. May well be the case but my impression of PAK and such players over the decades is that he was just trying to hit out and hoping for the best. He did not believe in his ability to pick gaps and keep ticking along with the odd boundary off a bad delivery.

When he got selected, I posted asking if he was still the Maqsood of ~2015 who used to “slice” his cover drives aerially. We’ll hopefully have an answer in a few games’ time.
 
Saud and Shadab both bowled well and now batting sensibly well. Saud does not look like a Pakistani batsman,busy at crease and compact.
 
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Bewal Express said:
I know he has no stats but I saw Mubashir play for Northerns and I can tell you he has something. Surely, the guys that get paid to watch and pick these guys have more knowledge than a lay man like me.
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Absolutely very decent young guy and has created a reputation in the first season itself with his batting as well as off spin bowling to an extent.

Didn’t really like that he was played at no 7, 8 in Pakistan cup. He is still 18-19 but, if he is being considered as one for the future which I think he should then he needs to be given a no atleast in first 6 and should be a constant for his domestic side for 2-3 years.

I think talent management is a big issue. When you are not even spoilt for choices and manage whatever talent you get poorly than results are rarely good consistently.

Even Mohammad Haris, who I think is decent wasnt given much matches in national T20 cup. I guess he scored 79* odd in one of the three matches he played. Only got a full season in Pak cup because main players were on national duty.

On the other hand Qasim Akram who is rated highly as well, averages 60+ in Pakistan cup was given one game by KK in PSL and he hit a 4 and 6, out bowled Imad with 4 overs for 34 in a high scoring match and was benched.

If these would have been English players and touted as the future, then they would have been playing a lot more cricket at decent positions as that is how they can grow and be ready in next 2-4 years adding to the team or atleast the backups.
 
topspin said:
Misbah's time has to be up if we lose this game (and therefore the series).


We were nowhere near this bad when Mickey's Pakistan were playing white ball cricket in England.

We were scoring 300+ consistently against England's first string bowling attack.

This is beyond defensible even for Misbah's loyalists.
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We were quite bad in terms of results. But any perceived momentum that Mickey’s side may have been building up to dissipated upon his ouster.

But do not think that the same PAK XI would have entered the ground today under Mickey.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
1 run in 2 balls is worse than 10 off 44 when chasing 250 on a pitch that’s doing a lot.

Had Imam stayed in for another 5-6 overs, it would’ve allowed other to play more freely. Instead, he forced Babar to come in early, and exposed him to the biggest threat, Saqib Mehmood
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If that's your thought process then I have nothing more to say
 
It was a no ball but not given by umpires because umpires knew that Shadab is a game changer with bat.
 
my good lord these mental midgets, like ***, dont need donkey shots, just garnish the 1's and 2's...zero game awareness
 
Self-appointed Steve Smith bows out after another masterful performance with the bat.
 
Ghab rana nahi, best all rounder in world cricket is here.
 
Game intelligence and Pak players need to come closer to each other. One can rant as much about skills and other things as one wants but, you are rarely gonna be amongst the best in any sport if you dont have game intelligence/sense.
 
So will Shakeel also end his inning with brainless shot, I'm begin to doubt any Pakistani to not self inflict their dismissal.
 
Be wary kid, the shuffle towards the off side is can also go against you with the right arm over the wicket angle.
 
Will this series loss against Eng reserves finally show the door to Waqar and Misbah and the selectors too?
 
Faheem and Shadab went to the same government school. There are better ways to take singles
 
I dont think I have seen such an embarassing performance by pakistan before, a new low. truely embarassed by this.
 
I dont think it’s possible to have a worse day as all rounder as Faheem. Tanked around while bowling, dropped a catch and scored 1 run.
 
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