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England beat India by 227 runs in the 1st Test in Chennai

Congrats England well played.

This is brilliant stuff.

Deserving winners.

India has some serious issues to sort or else this series could be gone.
 
And with Stokes hardly able to bowl these days too. Might have to bring in Moeen for the next test, this is a war of attrition.

Good job Clouderson is no good under sunshine and without the Duke ball.

Why can Stokes not bowl? First session of this Test that I am finally watching so pretty much out of the loop.
 
Just woke up to considerable shock. Thought it would by 200-3 by now.

Ashwin is going to get shelled now, England will try to knock him out of the series. Ouch, smack on the helmet badge.....

All it takes is one ball and Ashwin will be out of the series.

Path for series victory becomes so clear.
 
As long as Kohli is in, India has a good chance. Ashwin will take heart from how he performed a couple of weeks ago against a tougher bowling attack.

Different conditions here, those wickets in Aus were pretty flat even on Day 5
 
India need to find a spinner as good as Jadeja.

Shahbaz is not as good as Jadeja.
 
And with Stokes hardly able to bowl these days too. Might have to bring in Moeen for the next test, this is a war of attrition.

Good job Clouderson is no good under sunshine and without the Duke ball.

This is the pitch. Otherwise we saw his skills in the first innings. India needed something to make it interesting, so the win is more to with them being complacent.
 
India might have got overconfident after beating the Aussies. I recall some poster saying they will be overconfident vs England.
 
The current generation has produced below ATG cricketers:-

Smith
Kohli
Root
Williamson

Ashwin
Jadeja
Stokes

Anderson
Cummins
Rabada
Bumrah
 
It was Kohli’s team and Shastri was providing all the inspiration in the dressing room with his tough talk and made the reserve players step up.

Rahane was just a puppet captain on the field.

Oh dear....

It was Kohli team all right but captaincy and team selection was all over the place.

Can you hand on heart say this was good captaincy by Kohli this test? One can write a 2000 word article listing all the blunders by Kohli this test.

Rahane is a dud batsman but seems like he gets the best of people. Of course luck factor is there but still.....
 
After lunch Ashwin needs another dose of chin music to round off a perfect display so far by the England boys
 
Rahane is a weak and timid character with no personality and no charisma. He is more shy than a 10 year old and he cannot even speak properly, and people wish he was captain over Kohli over the last 6 years.

Not to mention the fact that he can barely keep his own batting together and can never remove the question mark that hangs over his place in the side.

The outlook of this Indian side would have been completely if Rahane was leading the team over the years, and that outlook would not have been a pretty sight.

The lack of respect for Kohli’s leadership and the legacy that he has built is shocking.
 
Rahane is a weak and timid character with no personality and no charisma. He is more shy than a 10 year old and he cannot even speak properly, and people wish he was captain over Kohli over the last 6 years.

Not to mention the fact that he can barely keep his own batting together and can never remove the question mark that hangs over his place in the side.

The outlook of this Indian side would have been completely if Rahane was leading the team over the years, and that outlook would not have been a pretty sight.

The lack of respect for Kohli’s leadership and the legacy that he has built is shocking.

Again misinterpreting the post.

No one is saying rahane being the captain.. India would have the mindset.

No one is saying Kohli has had no role.

Point is tactically the Kohli has made enough series losing blunders till date.

At home, and it doesn't get exposed unlike today. Away it usually gets exposed.

Rahane as a captain has been a revelation as of now. But with his poor batting, he might not be able to sustain it.

But that doesn't mean we accord all the glory to Kohli and deny rahane anything. :))
 
England's spinners are rubbish though. The longer Kohli bats, the more nervous England will get.

4 wickets to get in 64 overs with 276 runs left to win.

None of those number require English team to be nervous. They can just bowl tripe and get the last 4 wickets. It will take a superhuman effort from Virat, Ashwin etc to get them a draw.

If Virat manages a draw from this position, he will attain Godly status. :srt
 
Oh dear....

It was Kohli team all right but captaincy and team selection was all over the place.

Can you hand on heart say this was good captaincy by Kohli this test? One can write a 2000 word article listing all the blunders by Kohli this test.

Rahane is a dud batsman but seems like he gets the best of people. Of course luck factor is there but still.....

Rahane is a timid character with the charisma of a dead frog. He cannot get the best out of anyone.

When Kohli left for home it was Shastri running the show and making the major calls in terms of team selection.

People have issues with the arrogance of Kohli and Shastri combo but they have instilled a level of self-belief and competitiveness in this Indian team that wouldn’t have existed otherwise.

I don’t know if Kohli has made mistakes here or not. I prefer to appreciate what England have done, at least so far. They have outplayed India in all departments and I don’t think team selection would have made any difference.

At times, the opposition outplays you. It doesn’t make India a lesser team. It is not always about bad calls and poor team selection.
 
If Kohli stays India still can beat England. Kohli is that good batsman. Ashwin needs to preserve his wicket.
 
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Rahane is a timid character with the charisma of a dead frog. He cannot get the best out of anyone.

When Kohli left for home it was Shastri running the show and making the major calls in terms of team selection.

People have issues with the arrogance of Kohli and Shastri combo but they have instilled a level of self-belief and competitiveness in this Indian team that wouldn’t have existed otherwise.

I don’t know if Kohli has made mistakes here or not. I prefer to appreciate what England have done, at least so far. They have outplayed India in all departments and I don’t think team selection would have made any difference.

At times, the opposition outplays you. It doesn’t make India a lesser team. It is not always about bad calls and poor team selection.

1. First of all, I am talking about Kohli tactics on the field. It was shocking.

2. Second of all, credit to England. Calling out Kohlis captaincy doesn't take away anything from England just like calling out Tim paines captaincy doesn't take away anything from Indians victory.

3. So without Kohli, Shastri should get the credit and no one else. This is then why so many blunders over the years? And how come someone like rahane does a Dharmashala 2017 (under a different coach) ..and then. Comes back and does a Melbourne - Sydney and gabba 2021....

4. And not sure if you saw the body language of players under rahane vs Kohli... Heaven and earth difference...

Truth probably lies somewhere in between but I don't get why we should accord all glory to Kohli and none to Rahane... When the latter has done stuff that no Asian captain could even dream of.
 
The current generation has produced below ATG cricketers:-

Smith
Kohli
Root
Williamson

Ashwin
Jadeja
Stokes

Anderson
Cummins
Rabada
Bumrah

Too small sample for Bumrah and even Rabada and Cummins have to do well in Asia
 
After lunch Ashwin needs another dose of chin music to round off a perfect display so far by the England boys
Heyyy, I thought y’all English boys were nice folks!
Jokes apart, I would say bring it on. Its been too friendly till now and we need an Angry Kohli with lot of “Ben Stokes” around. If England wins this, it would get fiery like how 2017 Aus series was.
 
1. First of all, I am talking about Kohli tactics on the field. It was shocking.

2. Second of all, credit to England. Calling out Kohlis captaincy doesn't take away anything from England just like calling out Tim paines captaincy doesn't take away anything from Indians victory.

3. So without Kohli, Shastri should get the credit and no one else. This is then why so many blunders over the years? And how come someone like rahane does a Dharmashala 2017 (under a different coach) ..and then. Comes back and does a Melbourne - Sydney and gabba 2021....

4. And not sure if you saw the body language of players under rahane vs Kohli... Heaven and earth difference...

Truth probably lies somewhere in between but I don't get why we should accord all glory to Kohli and none to Rahane... When the latter has done stuff that no Asian captain could even dream of.

Point number 4 is spot on, young cricketers in the team feed off the body language of the captain and kohli alot of the time spits his dummy out , in Australia alot of your younger players under rehanie were joyous and chomping at the bit under his leadership
 
4 wickets to get in 64 overs with 276 runs left to win.

None of those number require English team to be nervous. They can just bowl tripe and get the last 4 wickets. It will take a superhuman effort from Virat, Ashwin etc to get them a draw.

If Virat manages a draw from this position, he will attain Godly status. :srt

All fair points. I just won't rule out a draw off the cuff. Kohli is certainly capable of batting through the afternoon.
 
India need to find a spinner as good as Jadeja.

Shahbaz is not as good as Jadeja.
Kuldeep took 5 wickets in his last test innings he bowled in and that too in Australia.
 
Heyyy, I thought y’all English boys were nice folks!
Jokes apart, I would say bring it on. Its been too friendly till now and we need an Angry Kohli with lot of “Ben Stokes” around. If England wins this, it would get fiery like how 2017 Aus series was.

This is test match cricket pal, a test of mentality as well as technically
 
The current generation has produced below ATG cricketers:-

Smith
Kohli
Root
Williamson

Ashwin
Jadeja
Stokes

Anderson
Cummins
Rabada
Bumrah

I think you have downgraded “great” to “very good” in some cases.

The batsmen and Ashwin fair enough.

Too early to call Jadeja ATG whose batting average is padded by one not out every three innings. He is a very good bowler at home but let us see him take wickets in England.

Stokes hardly bowls any more and averages less than 40 with the bat. He is a good pressure player with eight test centuries.

Cummins ok, close to another Dennis Lillee, and Rabada is well on the way. Bumrah has played seventeen test matches.
 
1. First of all, I am talking about Kohli tactics on the field. It was shocking.

2. Second of all, credit to England. Calling out Kohlis captaincy doesn't take away anything from England just like calling out Tim paines captaincy doesn't take away anything from Indians victory.

3. So without Kohli, Shastri should get the credit and no one else. This is then why so many blunders over the years? And how come someone like rahane does a Dharmashala 2017 (under a different coach) ..and then. Comes back and does a Melbourne - Sydney and gabba 2021....

4. And not sure if you saw the body language of players under rahane vs Kohli... Heaven and earth difference...

Truth probably lies somewhere in between but I don't get why we should accord all glory to Kohli and none to Rahane... When the latter has done stuff that no Asian captain could even dream of.

Brilliant post. Spot on. Mamoon is behaving just like a Kohli fan boy.

Rahane shouldn't be the test captain but you can't take away the credit of that win from him and give it to Kohli lol.
 
This is test match cricket pal, a test of mentality as well as technically
I know. I was just joking. I am of the opinion that there should be no friendships on field and you should be as hostile as the laws would allow.
 
Kuldeep took 5 wickets in his last test innings he bowled in and that too in Australia.

The thing is team management knows better than us how he is bowling on nets. If someone from not being in the squad is picked ahead of him, that should give a hint that he is not bowling well.
 
He is better than Willis and Snow.

Ian Chappell said Snow was the best fast bowler he ever faced - not Lillee, Roberts, Holding, Imran or Hadlee. Snow averaged about 18 overseas.

Willis was a serious threat everywhere. Good returns in WI facing Sobers and Kanhai, a monster in India in 1976 and very good in Australia.

Anderson is decent overseas, a stock bowler in several countries. He has played through to an era where he is mowing down T20 bangers with their poor test match defences. The India side of 1986 would have played him better because they all had CC jobs.
 
It is proven yet again that 70% of India's success at home tests is due to Ashwin-Jadeja combo (both should play!) and 20% to the 3 pacer unit who bowl so well with the old ball (Ashwin/Jadeja combo allows them to play third seamer usually or third spinner occasionally & also give balance with the bat as they both can bat) & 10% credit to Pujara & Kohli's batting!

Looks like England have prepared very well for the tour! They understood that batting against spinners well is a must and also the presence of left arm spinner against stacked right hand batsmen in Indian lineup who always struggle against them! India prepares for overseas tours by playing T20s & ODIs while SENA teams prepare for Indian tour by playing tests in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh!
 
Please tell me how the body language was different under Rahane, and why exactly does that happen.
This is a vague point, zero logic.

Oh sure...

1. The biggest thing was a sense of belonging. This is something that happens not just in cricket field but in companies too. I have seen people struggling to hit targets in ome company, switch over and be a monster in another. Its all about systems and support (for someone whi is capable).

2. You have all the leaders like ashwin, pujara and rohit getting a sense that they were part of the leadership grouo and fecisions were collective and well thought out. Rahane still had to make the final call but thry were farrr more comfortable airing their views. They led the team meetings in the ground. I have watched indian test team for a long time now and i never saw them being this open and this comfortable.

3. Third of all, remember what happened when Rahane ran out Kohli in first test. He went out with mc bc gaalis. And what happened next was rahane loosing all the will to bat.

Imagine a vice captain of a team so scared of angering his captain that he cant even concentrate on the game.

Now just to be clear, kohli's anger was a fair reaction but his reaction and the environment that he had created in the dressing room meant Rahane felt super insecure.

A lot of times words get spoken in the heat pf the moment but players know thar once the game is over... Its all good. But with kohli you never know... Not like hes vindictive but just angering him would not bode well for anyome in the team so rahane couldnt just brush it off as in the moment anger.

4. When rahane got the same treatment next test, he learnt from his mistake and treated the other bat kindly.

Of course i am not asking kohli to do the same in the field but its all aboit the environment in the dressying room.

You have angry kohli.. Then bombastic shastri.. Imagine facing them after you mess uo...

With rahane no such pressure.

5. And finally, Rahane will give space but will not let idiots like Ashwin waste reviews. Kohli wont give space but will waste reviews getting influecned by these people.

Jusy this test, ashwin wasted some reviews anf we didnt have reviews for a genuine wicket.

Rahame wouldnt have let that happen.

Just cos he looks timid doesnt mean he is timid.

Hes a great leader. Gives u the soace but the final decisions rests on him and he takes it without being a slave to emotions.
 
Bumrah and Ishant in the balcony, watching the short bowling from Joffra and Anderson to Ashwin.

Sab Yaad Rakha Jayega :moyo
 
Ashwin should not take blows. He is a must for rest of the series. This game is not more important than him being fully fit.
 
Point number 4 is spot on, young cricketers in the team feed off the body language of the captain and kohli alot of the time spits his dummy out , in Australia alot of your younger players under rehanie were joyous and chomping at the bit under his leadership

Rahame would have easily knocked out 100 runs from the target and changed the complexion of the game.

In the first innings, a lot of blunders were made. Add to that bad reviews.

We could have easily saved 100 runs there itself.

Second innings, eng were all out for 165 but at one point they were 160 for 6 odd. Last 4 wickets fell for nothing. We were on track to give away 200.

Bringing bumrah late and barely using him, not using washi properly, sticking to nadeem aimlessly... Very possible to save 25 runs here...

If target was 300 or 320..we may still have lost but think about the psychological impact and approach then.

We probably could have had a thriller now.
 
Our batsmen should take all the blame for Ashwin getting hit repeatedly.
 
Please tell me how the body language was different under Rahane, and why exactly does that happen.
This is a vague point, zero logic.

Tbf Ashwin said same. After you guys drew the match in Australia he said in interview that the team is very relaxed and all pals right now and enjoying cricket and that’s why they have become better and fighting more. At start of series that wasn’t the case. Even one of the tv experts at the time said that the only major difference between now and then is the captain so is he alluding to that?
 
Bess has allowed Kohli to set himself and England may have to pay for that. Hopefully, we are in for a Kohli special :kohli
 
Kohli is a poor captain and too prone to emotional decisions.
  • Lost every time with RCB despite a star studded team
  • Aus tour of India 2017- Was saved by great captaincy by Rahane in final test
  • Asia cup 2018- Rohit proved to be better tactition with respect to taming the confident Pak team after winning CT
  • India tour of Aus 2020-21- Again saved by Rahane who led a depleted and demoralised Indian team to historic win
So why is this guy still captain?
 
60 overs 267 runs.
a partnership of 200 more is needed here. , with kohli there anything is possible.
 
Kohli is a poor captain and too prone to emotional decisions.
  • Lost every time with RCB despite a star studded team
  • Aus tour of India 2017- Was saved by great captaincy by Rahane in final test
  • Asia cup 2018- Rohit proved to be better tactition with respect to taming the confident Pak team after winning CT
  • India tour of Aus 2020-21- Again saved by Rahane who led a depleted and demoralised Indian team to historic win
So why is this guy still captain?

He has 33 Test wins as captain. Most by an Asian captain in history and 19 more than Imran Khan. He knows how to lead a team.

He is not a very good Limited Overs captain though, but mentioning the Asia Cup is funny. India would smash Pakistan 9/10 times in any format whoever is leading the team. The gulf between the two sides is humongous.

Overall, Rohit is a better Limited Overs captain as he has shown in the IPL.
 
Kohli is a poor captain and too prone to emotional decisions.
  • Lost every time with RCB despite a star studded team
  • Aus tour of India 2017- Was saved by great captaincy by Rahane in final test
  • Asia cup 2018- Rohit proved to be better tactition with respect to taming the confident Pak team after winning CT
  • India tour of Aus 2020-21- Again saved by Rahane who led a depleted and demoralised Indian team to historic win
So why is this guy still captain?
Perhaps because he wields most power in India cricketer ever, even ahead of Dhoni?
 
Congratulations in advance, England. [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

This game is OVER.

Not counting chickens until they are all back in the coop.
 
39 runs partnership here , Ashwin like first innings again involved in a good partnership
 
Kohli is gonna shove it down the mouths of all his doubters again today. He has that steely glint in his eyes, which suggests the opposition will have to move the earth to dislodge him.
 
Rohit need to perform. Don't really recall any worthy performance in test in tough situations.

Pujara, Kohli, Gill and Pant are fine but with Pant, there will always be a risk. We need more dependency which Rahane ain't providing in Asia. He won't get dropped either.
 
Rohit need to perform. Don't really recall any worthy performance in test in tough situations.

Pujara, Kohli, Gill and Pant are fine but with Pant, there will always be a risk. We need more dependency which Rahane ain't providing in Asia. He won't get dropped either.

What a mess man.

Rohit is yuseless.

Rahane wont score.

No jaddu.

No shami or umesh.

Damn.
 
Rohit need to perform. Don't really recall any worthy performance in test in tough situations.

Pujara, Kohli, Gill and Pant are fine but with Pant, there will always be a risk. We need more dependency which Rahane ain't providing in Asia. He won't get dropped either.
I think Vihari is better than rahane, what u think?
 
Anderson eats lefties no....

Left right hand pair will be lethal. We have five right handers in top 5. Pant got out to wrong shot or else him and Kohli could have hold little longer, which would have allowed not giving Anderson the momentum .
 
This is why first innings scores matters so much.

Had kohli shown this resolve in first innings when conditions were farr easier.... It would have been a different ball game.

We just couldnt adjust to this high scoring game.
 
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