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England struggle at 24/3 in their second innings at stumps on Day 2 of the third Test against Pakistan

Noman has serious cult hero potential. Much better cult hero potential than the other chacha who turned out to be a complete waste of time.
 
PakPremi said:
Sarfraz at his peak was not contributing much with bat and his keeping even then was not as clean as Rizwan, now he will be a liability.
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Sarfaraz at his peak wasn't pretending to be a batter first. He was a keeper first and batter 2nd.

He wasn't even batting at the top, Infact rubbish Misbah media forced him to bat at 5 or 6 in wc even though he clearly said no 7 or no 8.

Even then he actually won a test game from the jaws of defeat against sri lanka, Drew against NZ and that was pur only draw before sajid don gave us our first win, and don't forget his wc 2015 antics even though misbah the goat made the gemuis idea of sending a specialist keeper as an opener lol.

Sarfi never treated himself as a batter first and he never had fans defend him like rizwan pretending that rizzu is a keeper first.
 
Good to see Sajid being a crowd favourite,

we need fighters like him, Jamal and Agha Salman to be the image of Pakistan in one of its worst periods of cricketing results.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Sarfraz is at best a good batter in Asian conditions. But his atrocious keeping behind the stumps cancels that out because the damage he does with his keeping cannot be made up for by his batting. He should not be playing for PAK again. Better to groom Haseebullah for the future.
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Is their any player you support that doesn't turn out to be utter rubbish? Then again I can't recall a single player that Misbah promoted that happened to be a good cricketer.

Asad shafiq and Azhar Ali are the only ones I can think of and in case of asad only for test lol.
 
emranabbas said:
And rizwan? Does he ever do anything other than 20's and 30's
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Rizwan has had a bad series but last I checked he was the 7th ranked test batter in the world. You can't exactly reach that position by getting 20's and 30's.

And even if he was scoring 20's and 30's what Rizwan offers with the gloves far outweights what he offers with the bat. In Asia, a good wicketkeeper is sometimes the difference between two teams. And Rizwan is one of the best in the business behind the stumps.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Rizwan has had a bad series but last I checked he was the 7th ranked test batter in the world. You can't exactly reach that position by getting 20's and 30's.

And even if he was scoring 20's and 30's what Rizwan offers with the gloves far outweights what he offers with the bat. In Asia, a good wicketkeeper is sometimes the difference between two teams. And Rizwan is one of the best in the business behind the stumps.
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Babar is the best odi batter in the world?
 
mominsaigol said:
Is their any player you support that doesn't turn out to be utter rubbish? Then again I can't recall a single player that Misbah promoted that happened to be a good cricketer.

Asad shafiq and Azhar Ali are the only ones I can think of and in case of asad only for test lol.
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Does it matter? Pakistan never lost a home Test series under Misbah as coach
 
mominsaigol said:
Is their any player you support that doesn't turn out to be utter rubbish? Then again I can't recall a single player that Misbah promoted that happened to be a good cricketer.

Asad shafiq and Azhar Ali are the only ones I can think of and in case of asad only for test lol.
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Azhar made his mark under Salman Butt. He was actually very decent in his debut Test series against England. He clearly looked like a mainstay. Misbah didn’t do anything for his career. Misbah was dropped for that series and was brought back on an emergency basis after Salman Butt was caught.
 
So now it's a case of can we get an annoying lead, then take early wickets.

We don't want to be chasing 175+ last
 
It will be very difficult to chase on this ground, anything above 100 and England have an advantage
 
Amjid Javed said:
So now it's a case of can we get an annoying lead, then take early wickets.

We don't want to be chasing 175+ last
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I think anything over 120 to chase and I can see a classical PAK batting collapse. Which means taking a 50 run lead here and keeping England under 150
 
mominsaigol said:
It is not basis stuff. It's just more lies. And it clearly showed with Babar getting dropped and then shaheen getting dropped.
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Babar or Shaheen getting dropped made no difference other than both needing time off due to too much cricket and corrupted minds because of the captaincy saga. Pakistan are doing better only because of they prepared pitches to their tiny strength bowling on spinner friendly pitches.
 
Now that the scores are leveled, I can finally relax a bit. It’s the perfect time to make some tea - especially the elaichi wali!
 
Asad T said:
Does it matter? Pakistan never lost a home Test series under Misbah as coach
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Yes it does. He wasn't just a test coach, he was an allformat coach and chief selector and look at what he did to our whiteball team?

He killed it completly? And as soon as he left, The sane rubbish he promoted like babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Shan all killed the test unit.

Legacy also matters. Look at pointing's legacy, post 2011, he with Micheal Clarke as his pupil essentially created a 2015 near unbeatable aussie team that won the wc?

It is no coincidence that as soon as misbah left pakistan fell into no 9 rank and almost out of odi and then fell into all format depression the 2nd time around.

Lots of people ignore this.
 
PakPremi said:
Babar or Shaheen getting dropped made no difference other than both needing time off due to too much cricket and corrupted minds because of the captaincy saga. Pakistan are doing better only because of they prepared pitches to their tiny strength bowling on spinner friendly pitches.
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Keeping telling yourself that knowing full well That Babar would have been a walking wicket on such a pitch considering He was a walking wicket under batting friendly conditons and that Kamran Ghulam 118 wouldn't happen as Babar would be in his place and would depart.

And keep lying to yourself about shaheen knowing full well he was rubbish.
 
Caved12 said:
Now that the scores are leveled, I can finally relax a bit. It’s the perfect time to make some tea - especially the elaichi wali!
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I got my tea sorted, put the cricket on and now they’re having their tea! by the time they come back, my Pakistani tea would have been consumed in about as much time as M.Rizwan’s time spent at the crease :yk
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Rizwan has had a bad series but last I checked he was the 7th ranked test batter in the world. You can't exactly reach that position by getting 20's and 30's.

And even if he was scoring 20's and 30's what Rizwan offers with the gloves far outweights what he offers with the bat. In Asia, a good wicketkeeper is sometimes the difference between two teams. And Rizwan is one of the best in the business behind the stumps.
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Scores of 171 and 51 in last series must be lower than 20s and 30s. This series he has been poor but has scored more than 30 too, but he must grind down and contribute better.
 
Good Morning to everyone except Rizwan & Babar fans, finally, a Test match to enjoy in Pakistan ai, ai, ai ai!!!
 
mominsaigol said:
Keeping telling yourself that knowing full well That Babar would have been a walking wicket on such a pitch considering He was a walking wicket under batting friendly conditons and that Kamran Ghulam 118 wouldn't happen as Babar would be in his place and would depart.

And keep lying to yourself about shaheen knowing full well he was rubbish.
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@PakPremi no, No laughing now.

Answer this straight up. Was kamran Ghulam 118 not a deciding factor last game? You have any idea what the score would be had he not scored that? And where pakistan would be at?

Tell me the truth, is Babar azam scoring that? If you say yes, they explain based of what. If you say no, Then you have been caught in a lie on not making a difference.
 
Nabeel23 said:
He played well in Australia and then against Bangladesh. He hasn't done well against England but that can happen to anyone, you don't drop someone after a couple of failures. Sarfraz was awful in that Aus test and was rightfully replaced by Rizwan.
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But but he must be punished because was doing Hi5s with Babar & Shaheen.
 
Nabeel23 said:
He played well in Australia and then against Bangladesh. He hasn't done well against England but that can happen to anyone, you don't drop someone after a couple of failures. Sarfraz was awful in that Aus test and was rightfully replaced by Rizwan.
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Yeah

Yasir Shah has a hundred in Australia,

Root doesn’t.

Rizwan>>>Yasir Shah>>>Root
 
Nabeel23 said:
He played well in Australia and then against Bangladesh. He hasn't done well against England but that can happen to anyone, you don't drop someone after a couple of failures. Sarfraz was awful in that Aus test and was rightfully replaced by Rizwan.
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This is delusion to its entire core. He's been rubbish in a low level league and I warned all of you that said form would transpire into the current series.

And no he was not good against Bangladesh. Liton das exposed this fraud.
 
@gazza619 you enjoyed this innings by Saud? What did you say to me? “I’ll keep an eye on your midget Saud”

Where have you vanished now?
 
mominsaigol said:
@PakPremi no, No laughing now.

Answer this straight up. Was kamran Ghulam 118 not a deciding factor last game? You have any idea what the score would be had he not scored that? And where pakistan would be at?

Tell me the truth, is Babar azam scoring that? If you say yes, they explain based of what. If you say no, Then you have been caught in a lie on not making a difference.

Be careful with me, as I always expose such nonsense.
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No idea if Babar may or may not had turned corner in that test, most likely not as I said he is not in right frame of mind and has poor form just like Kohli did before, and is going through again. Pakistan grip on the the previous match was mainly due to the help from the pitch and required bowling skills availability to bowl there.
 
iPakistani said:
Same culprits derailing a match thread by making it all about Rizwan/Babar. I find myself coming back to this thread to see others thoughts on the match situation and it's the same drivel about Rizwan/Babar. Shame.
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They leave and the drivel stops and pakistan fans can actually win and enjoy their cricket for once.

A misbah free cricket nation is all that I fight for.

No Misbah influence just like 2017-2019 days.

No misbah players, no legacy, nothing.
 
PakPremi said:
No idea if Babar may or may not had turned corner in that test, most likely not as I said he is not in right frame of mind and has poor form just like Kohli did before, and is going through again. Pakistan grip on the the previous match was mainly due to the help from the pitch and required bowling skills availability to bowl there.
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Did KG 118 not contribute to getting that insane lead over England yes or no?
 
Saud really needs to take any scoring opportunities as Pakistan will fold very quickly. I do not trust Sajid or Zahid.
 
Rana said:
Yeah

Yasir Shah has a hundred in Australia,

Root doesn’t.

Rizwan>>>Yasir Shah>>>Root
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Rizwan’s peak in Tests lasted about half the time as Sarfraz’s peak, and during his so called purple patch, I can’t remember a single memorable match winning knock, yeah sure he’s good with handling balls but prime for prime, he’s inferior overall to his predecessor. Am a big admirer of Younis Khan and how he managed to convince people that Misbah was some legend, but Sarfraz also played a huge role in keeping his ship afloat, and was actually a great player to watch. Rizwan is not even better then Kamran in Tests, I think that the best Pakistan keeper bat of this century especially in Tests is a contest between Kamran & Sarfraz, both worthy of being nominated for such an honour.
 
It’s frustrating to see some people constantly bringing Rizwan into discussions that have nothing to do with him. They seem to go out of their way to pick on others, even when it’s completely unrelated to the topic at hand. This kind of behavior is really disappointing, and it’s surprising that they don’t recognize this issue in themselves.
 
Rana said:
Yeah

Yasir Shah has a hundred in Australia,

Root doesn’t.

Rizwan>>>Yasir Shah>>>Root
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Well Rizwan averages 40+ in Australia, England and New Zealand. He would need a long run of low scores in tests to warrant a drop and that hasn't happened yet. If you wanted to drop him in T20s then sure there is a case there (because of low strike rate, batting position) but you can't mix formats, he hasn't really put a foot wrong in tests.
 
Noman reminds me of those old school English spinners, fit as a fiddle, play the game with a big smile on their face as if it’s their last for the country, give the ball a decent rip, can hit flat 6’s for fun, are lightning in the field and lift the entire dressing room @James
 
mominsaigol said:
Did KG 118 not contribute to getting that insane lead over England yes or no?
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My last post on Babar and Rizwan in this thread.
KG if I remember correctly was dropped early on and we would had seen the same as Babar score, even disregarding the drop he has now scored similarly to Babar in next three innings. KG did contribute to Pakistan win, but Pakistan somehow get the runs in first inning, but cannot bowl oppositions out so Sajid and Noman role was the real difference.
 
Nabeel23 said:
Well Rizwan averages 40+ in Australia, England and New Zealand. He would need a long run of low scores in tests to warrant a drop and that hasn't happened yet. If you wanted to drop him in T20s then sure there is a case there (because of low strike rate, batting position) but you can't mix formats, he hasn't really put a foot wrong in tests.
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Who cares about a 40 run average in Australia if your team hasn’t won a Test there in 30 odd years?
 
PakPremi said:
My last post on Babar and Rizwan in this thread.
KG if I remember correctly was dropped early on and we would had seen the same as Babar score, even disregarding the drop he has now scored similarly to Babar in next three innings. KG did contribute to Pakistan win, but Pakistan somehow get the runs in first inning, but cannot bowl oppositions out so Sajid and Noman role was the real difference.
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It doesn't matter. Did KG contribute to said win or not? No more essays. Was that 118 one of the deciding factors yes or no? That's all I ask.
 
Rana said:
Who cares about a 40 run average in Australia if your team hasn’t won a Test there in 30 odd years?
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It's very very sad that people have the misbah ideology.

They have completly forgetten that the ultimate goal of cricket is to win a game. Nothing else matters.

It's thanks to this Misbah philosophy that you hear rubbish such as Babar and rizwan are our main batters.

No one else ever embodies this concept. Travis head, Pointing, Steve smith (2014-2020) were considered main batters by the fans and not the team itself.

Nothing was built to accommodate these 3, unlike Pakistan where life and limb rubbish arguments to defend rizwan and find a way to keep him in the team are made.

Rizwan plays for himself, If you have such a player, Then no matter how good they are, they need a boot plain and simple.

A player who plays for himself like Misbah did cannot ever win you games as RR and team situations are not their concern.
 
Rana said:
Of course it hurts you as you have a picture of your icon in the DP
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Actually it doesnt hurt, Im no longer someone who takes sports so seriously and emotionally.

About the picture I chosen, this was last year Pakistan vs Sri Lanka, I went to sleep thinking there is no way Pakistan would win only to find one of the biggest surprises I faced as Abdullah and Rizwan score a hundred each and win the match. So the image is more about the surprise and hope not at all about my favouritism towards players.
 
Babar and Shaheen need to think about their future very clearly. Either play for the team and leave your petty arguments behind or forget about playing in the International team.

they are both good enough to make the site obviously but not at the price of breaking team cohesion and bringing more baggage to the locker room
 
Bilal Ahmad15 said:
Actually it doesnt hurt, Im no longer someone who takes sports so seriously and emotionally.

About the picture I chosen, this was last year Pakistan vs Sri Lanka, I went to sleep thinking there is no way Pakistan would win only to find one of the biggest surprises I faced as Abdullah and Rizwan score a hundred each and win the match. So the image is more about the surprise and hope not at all about my favouritism towards players.
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Why don’t you put up an image of the surprise Pakistan suffered losing to USA or Afghanistan? The team was built to make Rizwan look good.
 
Bilal Ahmad15 said:
Actually it doesnt hurt, Im no longer someone who takes sports so seriously and emotionally.

About the picture I chosen, this was last year Pakistan vs Sri Lanka, I went to sleep thinking there is no way Pakistan would win only to find one of the biggest surprises I faced as Abdullah and Rizwan score a hundred each and win the match. So the image is more about the surprise and hope not at all about my favouritism towards players.
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That was a crazy match -- and was probably the last time that Pakistan showed some fight, resilience and mental fortitude (that match, and the match against NZ)
 
Fantastic from Pakistan here. Many were dismissing the idea of Pakistan taking a lead and now Pakistna has decent lead. Make it as big as you can and series win is there for taking.
 
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