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England struggle at 24/3 in their second innings at stumps on Day 2 of the third Test against Pakistan

PakPremi said:
Of course 86 average against spin or pace is inflated for any batsman, but if he achieved that thus far in his career then it's good for him. It will go down, just like Saud and Agha averages will go down. No one claims Rizwan legendary player of spin but a good player without his suicidal shots.
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He does not get out just because of his suicidal shots. The suicidal shots are induced because he is playing poorly (mainly cos he only prefers one side of the ground and the opposition are not stupid) and looking for a “release”
 
PakPremi said:
Of course 86 average against spin or pace is inflated for any batsman, but if he achieved that thus far in his career then it's good for him. It will go down, just like Saud and Agha averages will go down. No one claims Rizwan legendary player of spin but a good player without his suicidal shots.
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You're free to believe what you wish. But Rizwan has been avg 29 in champions one day cup, And everyone made fun of me for saying that he's a big match test player hence a local odi tournament doesn't count and yet

He's averaging 19 this series against England? And now that Pakistan are no longer cultivating roads he's in deeper crap?
 
TheSultan said:
He does not get out just because of his suicidal shots. The suicidal shots are induced because he is playing poorly (mainly cos he only prefers one side of the ground and the opposition are not stupid) and looking for a “release”
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He was not playing poorly, and sweep on this pitch as Duckett said should not be played. It certainly was not a release shot but to score runs.
 
PakPremi said:
He was not playing poorly, and sweep on this pitch as Duckett said should not be played. It certainly was not a release shot but to score runs.
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He's been averaging 19 this series and avg 29 In a low level league with the lowest sr amongst batters in a tournament.

Give it a rest.
 
mominsaigol said:
You're free to believe what you wish. But Rizwan has been avg 29 in champions one day cup, And everyone made fun of me for saying that he's a big match test player hence a local odi tournament doesn't count and yet

He's averaging 19 this series against England? And now that Pakistan are no longer cultivating roads he's in deeper crap?
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True for all Pakistani batsmen when pitches are not flat, or bowling is not average, they all struggle. Saud only gets away with it due to his ultra defensive play. Agha looks like a fighter but still early days
 
PakPremi said:
True for alm Pakistani batsmen when pitches are not flat or bowling is not average they all struggle. Saud only gets away with it due to his ultra defensive play. Agha looks like a fighter but still early days
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My whole point was rizzu is not better then Ben duckett under any circumstance or any metric beyond fraud numbers.
 
mominsaigol said:
You said he was playing well, All I saw was a batter who was looking to get out anytime
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Must have seen another game then apart from his first missed slog he was looking comfortable and formed a good partnership with Saud from a very poor position, but his contribution was not enough to get Pakistan out of trouble.
 
PakPremi said:
Do not disagree but my point is only you labelled him Bradman od Spin, no one is claiming he is that.
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Look @RedwoodOriginal claimed rizwan is a better player of spin then Ben duckett and he treated that 86 avg as a stepping stone.

He should have thought of his words more wisely.

Mainly cause sajid Khan performing well and rizwan getting out on spin the day after he claimed rizzu is godly and superior to English batters against spin.
 
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My only question is why Is a world class batsmen like rizwan struggling to put runs on the board at home?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Shan's technique is really bad. Gets exposed regularly
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ten Years old career.. worst record for any top order batsman that has played for Pakistan.. no point talking about his technique..he is not good strategist either. over used his spinners to point they got tired and then did a bowling change. i guess he got some solid connections in pcb that he still has career
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
ten Years old career.. worst record for any top order batsman that has played for Pakistan.. no point talking about his technique..he is not good strategist either. over used his spinners to point they got tired and then did a bowling change. i guess he got some solid connections in pcb that he still has career
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Forget shaan he's a rubbish player and everyone agrees

But rizwan with so much hype and attitude and the guy still hasn't learnt to play spin that too at home and his fan go far as killing other people if any one saying anything against him
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
ten Years old career.. worst record for any top order batsman that has played for Pakistan.. no point talking about his technique..he is not good strategist either. over used his spinners to point they got tired and then did a bowling change. i guess he got some solid connections in pcb that he still has career
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Some players just don't have what it takes. He seems like a nice guy and someone who works hard. But at the end of the day none of that matters if you are not good enough. He has eclipsed Imran Farhat as the worst top-order PAK batter to get a substantial amount of tests, who also had a prolonged career due to his connections/nepotism.
 
With Noman apart from his reliable bowling Pakistan also gets reliable tailend batting unlike mindless batting by Shaheen or Hasan Ali.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
ten Years old career.. worst record for any top order batsman that has played for Pakistan.. no point talking about his technique..he is not good strategist either. over used his spinners to point they got tired and then did a bowling change. i guess he got some solid connections in pcb that he still has career
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I think his biggest blunders as a strategist were with the team selections. Selecting four pacers against Bangladesh. Not sure if I can attribute the Zahid blunder to him or the new selection committe.
 
emranabbas said:
Forget shaan he's a rubbish player and everyone agrees

But rizwan with so much hype and attitude and the guy still hasn't learnt to play spin that too at home and his fan go far as killing other people if any one saying anything against him
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saud shakeel plays spin better.. struggles against Pace.. Agha has troubles against spin.. Abdullah shafique , Saim and Shan have free pass.. they can continue to fail without getting questioned.. these top 3 have weaknesses against any kind of bowling.. this team is mixture of make shift players.. no real test quality batter like Misbah and Younis
 
PakPremi said:
With Noman apart from his reliable bowling Pakistan also gets reliable tailend batting unlike mindless batting by Shaheen or Hasan Ali.
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Still haven't forgiven Hasan Ali for throwing away that match against New Zealand in Abu Dhabi
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I think his biggest blunders as a strategist were with the team selections. Selecting four pacers against Bangladesh. Not sure if I can attribute the Zahid blunder to him or the new selection committe.
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when you play certain bowlers.. you have to back them up.. we saw in Multan that third spinner is not needed.. if Eng were to struggle against spin , Nouman , Sajid and Agha with support was enough. we did nt need Jamal as bowler either in Multan.. so why not improvise and play 2 extra batters to put opposition under pressure?
 
Good god this Bangladeshi umpire...

Worst umpire I have seen in international cricket since Joel Wilson.
 
This is why Saud needs to score more briskly as Noman and Co will not hold on for too long on this pitch.
 
There was a clear template of how to bat. Captain Mediocre hunkered down back to his shell and Maulvi swiping thin air. Ridiculous
 
Atkinson must have been played for his batting though Carse is no worse in batting, or England just resting Carse. Woakes would had served them better in bowling than Atkinson.
 
Don't get why everyone is jumping on Saud so much. This is a seriously inspired effort from him, grinding it out on a tough, slow pitch. Last I checked, no other PAK batter even went scored 30.

This is a pitch where every run matters. He has to trust Nauman to a certain extent and regularly rotate the strike. And Nauman is not exactly a number 11 where he can't be trusted.
 
Bowling for long periods without a break and then having to rescue the innings. They're going to grind down poor old Nomi Chacha's bones into dust like this
 
mominsaigol said:
He is literally nullifying the lead for you? If pakistan wins this, he'll have a huge part to play and noman + sajid aren't jobbers. They can bat
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You did not think the same when Rizwan was exposing tailenders in Bangladesh game, although I have nothing against what Saud is doing by taking singles.
 
Rehan Ahmed the rookie who destroyed us in Karachi couple years ago and doing that in Pindi Again.. some bowlers are only meant to play against Pakistan
 
PakPremi said:
You did not think the same when Rizwan was exposing tailenders in Bangladesh game, although I have nothing against what Saud is doing by taking singles.
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Hold on, That's a completly different story.

Pakistan were batting first hence their 2nd innings was first and they were consistently losing wickets.

Top order collapsed and rizwan gave singles to tail enders such as shaheen, Naseem who cannot bat and are virtual tailenders.

To top it off Rizzu made 51 of 80. When did I critise his 171? Pakistan declared and only lost 6 wickets that game? Rizzu didn't bat with the tail?

How is rizwam collapsing the fragile tail and giving Bangladesh a halwa target to chase the same as Saud nullifying a lead for you by batting with the top and staying in their until now?

If you're gonna try to spite me for Rizwan, Then atleast have said comparisons make sense.
 
mominsaigol said:
Hold on, That's a completly different story.

Pakistan were batting first hence their 2nd innings was first and they were consistently losing wickets.

Top order collapsed and rizwan gave singles to tail enders such as shaheen, Naseem who cannot bat and are virtual tailenders.

To top it off Rizzu made 51 of 80. When did I critise his 171? Pakistan declared and only lost 6 wickets that game? Rizzu didn't bat with the tail?

How is rizwam collapsing the fragile tail and giving Bangladesh a halwa target to chase the same as Saud nullifying a lead for you by batting with the top and staying in their until now?

If you're gonna try to spite me for Rizwan, Then atleast have said comparisons make sense.
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Does not matter batting first or second Pakistan needed to eek out runs, Rizwan could not just play defensive shots or hit boundaries only that game, same for Saud. Nadeen and Shaheen both can bat really well if they want to, Naseem has already proven in a test.
 
Mamoon said:
Noman is 40+ now but the way he bats you can tell that he had the potential to be a 30-32 averaging Test batsman if he was allowed to develop in his prime. Basically he could have been Pakistan’s Jadeja.

This just goes to show how incompetent PCB is at identifying and developing players.
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Just look at that shot for 6!
 
I don’t know how anyone can argue Rizwan is better than Noman. Riz should be batting at 10 (if he should even play)
 
Mamoon said:
Noman is 40+ now but the way he bats you can tell that he had the potential to be a 30-32 averaging Test batsman if he was allowed to develop in his prime. Basically he could have been Pakistan’s Jadeja.

This just goes to show how incompetent PCB is at identifying and developing players.
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Maybe he wasn't misbah or babar's friend and wasn't allowed to play In the team
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Don't get why everyone is jumping on Saud so much. This is a seriously inspired effort from him, grinding it out on a tough, slow pitch. Last I checked, no other PAK batter even went scored 30.

This is a pitch where every run matters. He has to trust Nauman to a certain extent and regularly rotate the strike. And Nauman is not exactly a number 11 where he can't be trusted.
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Bro what do you make of nuaman looks proper all rounder can bat aswell
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
certainly better than zulfiqar babar.. like 10 years ago this guy should have been in place of zulfiqar Babar
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Mainly in tests we have had flashy names and psl products in the last 10 years or friends of the captains

The guys grinding in domestic wouldn't get a chance

There were even people on this forum spreading lies that there is no talent left in Pakistan

Thanks to naqvi and aqib things are changing now
 
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