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England v Australia | 2nd Test | Lords | 16-20 July 09

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Flintoff was washed up and retiring 48 hours ago, now he is clearly showing Mitchell Johnson what it means to be called the best bowler in the world.
 
lol...hilarious stuff there from haddin and flintoff....i thought for second haddin was going to sprint off
 
We need a huuuugggee partnership from North and Mini-Gilly if we're to stay in this Test
 
bowled him!!! great bowling from anderson north gone australia in all sorts now. 139-6
 
Australia have been woeful, even worse than us at Cardiff. Wonder if this innings will last the day?

Magnificent figures for Anderson!
 
North gone for a long duck. MJ in to do some cowlashing. Looks like we'll be following on
 
If Anderson gets fifer here I'll slit my own wrists!
 
mitchell johnson is a real threat here...hes the type of player that can just bat and bat when the opposition thinks they are on top. Very demoralising for the other team and quite annoying too i must say. Hes a danger and england need to get rid of this guy as soon as they can.
 
OZGOD said:
If Anderson gets fifer here I'll slit my own wrists!
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mate with all due respects but i dont see anderson being any worse then siddle, hilfenhouse or johnson...

all about as good as each other...
 
OZGOD said:
If Anderson gets fifer here I'll slit my own wrists!
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I love your pessimism :), it was only a week ago u were telling us how we need to calm down because there is so much time left.
 
OZGOD said:
If Anderson gets fifer here I'll slit my own wrists!
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why, he has been overall our best bowler for the last couple of years, a lot different to the Anderson who took the field in 06 Ashes down under
 
insaftak said:
I love your pessimism :), it was only a week ago u were telling us how we need to calm down because there is so much time left.
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Nothing to do with pessimism mate - if it was Flingtoff then I'd have no issue. It's kind of like Horroritz getting fifer really.
 
Whippy said:
why, he has been overall our best bowler for the last couple of years, a lot different to the Anderson who took the field in 06 Ashes down under
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Really Whip? Last time I saw him bowl he was a hack! :13:
 
MJ gone! Full on Pak style collapse here.
 
Geez, we've been totally outclassed in this match so far. I wonder if England will risk batting last and make us follow on to try and go for an innings defeat, or will they pile on another couple of hundred runs before making us bat for 2 days to save the match.
 
OZGOD said:
Nothing to do with pessimism mate - if it was Flingtoff then I'd have no issue. It's kind of like Horroritz getting fifer really.
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ozgod, you are not showing any spotsmanship whatsoever..whats happened? maybe to much time here has made you the sceptic, player hating fan like most posters...

but seriously do u really think that the likes of hilfenhouse, siddle and johnson are much better then the english attack? australia's attack looks so ordinary these days, just like all the other test playing nations! it must hurt after having greats like mcgrath and warne in the side backed up by kaspo and gillespie...

one other thing, wht on earth did stewart clarke not play here at lords?

p.s.
next few days will see better weather, more sunshine and we all know what lords is like when the sun is out so all hope is not lost!!!

sri lanka, pakistan, india are just a few who have come back from behind to draw matches at lords...
 
OZGOD said:
Really Whip? Last time I saw him bowl he was a hack! :13:
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He's still a bit inconsistent but certainly a far improved bowler in recent times as the OZ machine is finding out!
 
russel crowe in the sky commentary box!!

oh and another wicket!!! haddin gone....broad takes another...

cloud cover at lords...always makes something happen when there is cloud cover!
 
OZGOD said:
Really Whip? Last time I saw him bowl he was a hack! :13:
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yeah as ineffective as our bowling has sometimes been since the high of the Vaughan era, he has been about as good as we've seen. Put in some great spells in favourable conditions, and improved his control immeasurably. Today he has delivered with one of his very best performances.

another wicket. is this as badly as we've seen from Australia since Trent Bridge 2005? I'm pinching myself.
 
Haddin gone!! A poor shot from him...hes complaining about the light but perhaps he should complain about himself! A good well directed short ball from broad. 152-8
 
Good to see Russel Crowe in the commentary box.

That is very shocking performance of Australia team today knowing that the pitch is absolute flat bounce.

Are we to witness our supporters to say that there is split in Australia team? Otherwise, it is impossible to collapse like that.
 
getting really dire for Australia...got 3 tailenders left, one is injured, another might have swine flu

arghhhhh got no idea whether to enforce the follow on or not...it could result in a big win or a complete turnaround, we have seen it go both ways with England
 
russel crowe saying 'let england have this battle..we'll have our revenge if not in this life then the next' then he says 'he's leaving'

warne says 'not now..not yet..not yet'.
 
Whippy said:
getting really dire for Australia...got 3 tailenders left, one is injured, another might have swine flu

arghhhhh got no idea whether to enforce the follow on or not...it could result in a big win or a complete turnaround, we have seen it go both ways with England
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I think with the cloud cover though, and the ball nipping about on a speeding up lords pitch...probably enforcing the follow on would be the better option rather than batting again and losing quick wickets, thus handing australia the initiative back?
 
Whippy said:
yeah as ineffective as our bowling has sometimes been since the high of the Vaughan era, he has been about as good as we've seen. Put in some great spells in favourable conditions, and improved his control immeasurably. Today he has delivered with one of his very best performances.

another wicket. is this as badly as we've seen from Australia since Trent Bridge 2005? I'm pinching myself.
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This is as bad an innings I've seen since we lost to India by 300+ runs in the 2nd Test in India. Pretty embarrassing stuff from a batting lineup that had four centurions a week ago.
 
I take that back now...its stumps i think as the aussies take the offer of light. Tomorrow is prediced to be a lot sunnier...so im not sure if enforcing the follow on would be a good idea anymore.
 
MalikMohsin said:
That is very shocking performance of Australia team today knowing that the pitch is absolute flat bounce.

Are we to witness our supporters to say that there is split in Australia team? Otherwise, it is impossible to collapse like that.
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To be fair though, the ball has been moving around due the cloud cover. If I were England I would send us back out and try to get a few wickets before stumps.
 
russel crowe saying 'let england have this battle..we'll have our revenge if not in this life then the next'
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So Kiwis don't like Eng much either? He has given up hope
 
Whippy said:
getting really dire for Australia...got 3 tailenders left, one is injured, another might have swine flu

arghhhhh got no idea whether to enforce the follow on or not...it could result in a big win or a complete turnaround, we have seen it go both ways with England
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if it goes well Eng wudnt have bowled more than 10-15 overs to get Aus all out tomorrow ..England bowlers should be reasonably fresh enuf to continue bowling ..i see no reason not to enforce follow-on here !
 
12thMan said:
So Kiwis don't like Eng much either? He has given up hope
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and nasser hussein just asks him ' arent you actually a kiwi?'.

russel crowe smahes him over the head with a telephone!
 
geez russell crowe sounding a bit like an australian version of anil kumble to an extent here....very monotone!
 
IMMY69 said:
ozgod, you are not showing any spotsmanship whatsoever..whats happened? maybe to much time here has made you the sceptic, player hating fan like most posters...

but seriously do u really think that the likes of hilfenhouse, siddle and johnson are much better then the english attack? australia's attack looks so ordinary these days, just like all the other test playing nations! it must hurt after having greats like mcgrath and warne in the side backed up by kaspo and gillespie...

one other thing, wht on earth did stewart clarke not play here at lords?

p.s.
next few days will see better weather, more sunshine and we all know what lords is like when the sun is out so all hope is not lost!!!

sri lanka, pakistan, india are just a few who have come back from behind to draw matches at lords...
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LOL no I didn't say that. I said that it would be embarrassing for me if Anderson got fifer, which has got nothing to do with Siddle, MJ and Hilf. Anderson has performed well today and made the most of the conditions, but it's still embarrassing, just like Horroritz in Cardiff.

I think I'm on record somewhere as saying that both attacks have been mediocre.

As for Stu Clark, I'd have liked him to play here instead of Horroritz.
 
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Australia's problem is that they have two guys at 5 and 6 who cannot play the moving ball. At Cardiff where it was flat and dour, Clarke and North were fine. But Clarke has always been an embarrassment in England when the ball has nipped around. Mid-wicket is such a massive position for him and I swear I've seen that same dismissal before. No surprise that Katich and Hussey were the guys to dig in when conditions weren't exactly perfect for it; Katich is such an under-rated cricketer, though it was a pathetic dismissal by him and one that can be attributed to the rest of the downfall, especially as it was such an uncharacteristic shot. England have bowled well, particularly Anderson though Flintoff and Onions have kept up good pressure. Stuart Broad's figures flatter him immensely, with Johnson and Haddin going too aggressive. Haddin looks a fine batsman though.
 
OZGOD said:
To be fair though, the ball has been moving around due the cloud cover. If I were England I would send us back out and try to get a few wickets before stumps.
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It was, but not that much. I think Flintoff and Anderson have bowled okay so far and several batsmen have played poor shot. That is also part of the game. I am pretty sure Australian batsmen can comeback in second inning with more than 400 at least.
 
providing england bowl out aussies cheaply tomorrow morning enforcing the following on should depend on the weather in the morning...tomorrow is supposed to be a good day with sunday being a little more changeable with more cloud cover..so they could bat tomorrow and look to declare with a lead of about 450 and have the whole of sunds to bowl to the aussies...
 
Taurus said:
Australia's problem is that they have two guys at 5 and 6 who cannot play the moving ball. At Cardiff where it was flat and dour, Clarke and North were fine. But Clarke has always been an embarrassment in England when the ball has nipped around. Mid-wicket is such a massive position for him and I swear I've seen that same dismissal before. No surprise that Katich and Hussey were the guys to dig in when conditions weren't exactly perfect for it; Katich is such an under-rated cricketer, though it was a pathetic dismissal by him and one that can be attributed to the rest of the downfall, especially as it was such an uncharacteristic shot. England have bowled well, particularly Anderson though Flintoff and Onions have kept up good pressure. Stuart Broad's figures flatter him immensely, with Johnson and Haddin going too aggressive. Haddin looks a fine batsman though.
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Ponting is very suspect against the moving ball , at least early on in his innings .
 
MalikMohsin said:
It was, but not that much. I think Flintoff and Anderson have bowled okay so far and several batsmen have played poor shot. That is also part of the game. I am pretty sure Australian batsmen can comeback in second inning with more than 400 at least.
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lords is that sort of ground now..after the new stand when the sun is out it is batting paradise but when its cloudy the batsmen find it difficult...

the ball just does enough and the wicket livens up too..it does enough to cause problems for the batsmen...that little 3-5pct extra bounce, zip and movement makes a huge difference
 
I've decided. I want to bat Australia out of the game when they're still fed up and tired, then go for 5 sessions to bowl them out. No point enforcing the follow-on in improved batting conditions when we could lose the momentum.

An England win here would be tremendous so early in the series, I don't think the ashes has been 1-0 to England with three tests left in my LIFETIME
 
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Whippy said:
I've decided. I want to bat Australia out of the game when they're still fed up and tired, then go for 5 sessions to bowl them out. No point enforcing the follow-on in improved batting conditions when we could lose the momentum.

An England win here would be tremendous so early in the series, I don't think it's been 1-0 to England with three tests left in my LIFETIME
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totally agree...but still think it would be best to check the weather tomorrow...its england afterall and the forecasters get it wrong all the time...if we went by the forecasters then there would not have been more then 10 overs today...

but the way it is at the moment i would certainly bat again and bat aussies out of the game completely...

so to recap,

check the weather in the morning
see what sort of lead england end up with...

come on england!
 
Whippy said:
I've decided. I want to bat Australia out of the game when they're still fed up and tired, then go for 5 sessions to bowl them out. No point enforcing the follow-on in improved batting conditions when we could lose the momentum.

An England win here would be tremendous so early in the series, I don't think the ashes has been 1-0 to England with three tests left in my LIFETIME
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If we had been bowled out tonight, I'd have sent us back in for more punishment and hopefully take another few wickets in the conditions. If tomorrow is sunny though I would definitely bat again if I were England. Add some quickfire runs, force the OZ to chase leather, then declare with a lead of 500+. That would still give England 2 1/2 days to bowl OZ out.
 
A reminder that play will not begin early tomorrow to make up for lost time - the regulations for Test cricket in England don't allow for early starts.

Australia 156/8 (49.0 ov) - trail by 269

Why can't Pakistan have their rules also. A visiting bowler has to bowl 3 full tosses 6 inches wide of the off stump every over
 
Whippy said:
An England win here would be tremendous so early in the series, I don't think the ashes has been 1-0 to England with three tests left in my LIFETIME
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In the 1997 Ashes, England won the first test, with four to play. :14:

They lost the series 3-2. :6:

But Australia had Warne and McGrath then.
 
Robert said:
In the 1997 Ashes, England won the first test, with four to play. :14:

They lost the series 3-2. :6:

But Australia had Warne and McGrath then.
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it could come down to the toss, if australia win a few tosses then they could dictate terms
 
saj786 said:
it could come down to the toss, if australia win a few tosses then they could dictate terms
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It shouldn't have to come down to the toss. Our bowling was woeful on Day 1. MJ conceding 77 off his first 11 says it all pretty much. We missed an opportunity to keep them below 400, then another opportunity to bat solidly and at least gain some kind of parity. Once it was overcast and the ball started moving we looked all at sea.
 
Like i said, Australia played their best max cricket in the last test, It was England who were completely below par and poor in the last test, this time it is England who have lifted their game big time and Australia have been found out. I still cant predict a winner but this current Aussie team is not the same, they are in every sense beatable, as for the Aussies, Lee and Clarke will have to come back and two blokes out of the 4 bowlers will have to make way.
 
Savak said:
Like i said, Australia played their best max cricket in the last test, It was England who were completely below par and poor in the last test, this time it is England who have lifted their game big time and Australia have been found out. I still cant predict a winner but this current Aussie team is not the same, they are in every sense beatable, as for the Aussies, Lee and Clarke will have to come back and two blokes out of the 4 bowlers will have to make way.
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Would rather lose with our young bowlers. They are the future, Lee and Clark are the past. Having said that someone can replace Horrorwitz.
 
Well, I just watched the highlights and geez some of those shots we played to get out were very ordinary. If I had played those pulls back when I used to play grade cricket in OZ my coach would've sent me home for being an idiot. Flingtoff's ball that took Hussey's wicket was fantastic and North was a bit unlucky but the other wickets were mainly poor shot selection - pulling the ball when you have fielders there waiting for the shot isn't good judgment. I know Hussey says it's an instinct shot and God knows I've been out hooking and pulling many many times in grade and schoolboy cricket but these guys are supposed to be our country's best batsmen. They need to make those "instinctual decisions" better.
 
As for the bowling, MJ needs to go back to basics. Forget about trying to swing the ball, forget about using the Lords slope -- just try and control the ball. Keep it tight, play a supporting role to the Hilf and get his rhythm back. He looks desperately short of confidence. Just needs to keep it simple.

All is not lost. We didn't become a shlt team overnight, though it looks that way. We're just a lot more inconsistent than we have been in the past. It was just a week ago that the roles were reversed and England were in our position, getting totally outplayed. This Test is a lost cause in terms of winning, but if we can fight hard and not roll over like spineless chumps, even if we lose this one we can take some confidence going into the next Test. LOL now I really sound like a Pom :P
 
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has been very quiet here today....has everyone stopped watching the match...or its just saving some aussie bashing for after the match
 
hmm possibly because this match is SO heavily one sided that people are feeling a little sorry for how ordinary the aussies are looking. The once mighty australians :p

Another boundary as i speak England 74/1 Hauritz bowling well thus far but englands lead is now 284....oh and another wicket for hauritz!! Did i speak too soon? 74/2 Hauritz looking good.
 
Wassixpakistani said:
The Broken Finger is becoming a blessing in disguise for him perhaps :13:
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He certainly is turning it a lot more in this innings than he was at any stage in the last match! I dont think it has anything to do with the pitch...
 
Ponting drops a straightforward chance at slip!! Hes still chewing away on his gum though is ol punter...perhaps all that spit made his hands a bit slippery :D

Ponting missed a very very easy runout chance a few balls ago and now this, leading from the front...the crowd giving ponting huge ironic cheers everytime they show the replay on the big screen, hilarious stuff!
 
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hasanb said:
hmm possibly because this match is SO heavily one sided that people are feeling a little sorry for how ordinary the aussies are looking.
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....nope!

And Dubya drops the Ashes! :)))
 
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