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England v Pakistan | 3rd Test | Birmingham | Aug 3-7, 2016 | Day 4

We have no world class player in any format, so why do people expect miracles.

We have no answer to players like Root, Cook, Kohli, Smith, de Villiers, Ashwin, Starc, Steyn, Anderson, Broad etc.
 
ViciousMachine said:
100% agreed. Heck, even if they "collapse" from here, they could scrape a 200 run lead. That will not be easy for Pak to chase. And that is with a collapse. If they keep wickets in hand, they can easily accelerate rest of today, still 53 overs left. Pak has to bat a full day 5 to just draw in that case.
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Pakistan will chase 200 on this pitch.

England knows that very well.

Only a miracle will make them collapse chasing 200 cos they would be confident doing that here.

But give them 300 and 1 day and they will have mental block and THAT's the game England want to play.
 
Mamoon said:
We have no world class player in any format, so why do people expect miracles.

We have no answer to players like Root, Cook, Kohli, Smith, de Villiers, Ashwin, Starc, Steyn, Anderson, Broad etc.
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Ok thanks for letting us know
 
Mamoon said:
We have no world class player in any format, so why do people expect miracles.

We have no answer to players like Root, Cook, Kohli, Smith, de Villiers, Ashwin, Starc, Steyn, Anderson, Broad etc.
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Don't know from where you brought Ashwin, ABDV, Starc, Anderson, Broad while we are watching a Test match at England.

If you are talking about ODIs, then our team is worst than Afghanistan.
 
Vince should open up now, he has done more than enough to earn another series.
 
Even if they edge it Hafeez is going to drop it
 
#GreenRoars said:
Don't know from where you brought Ashwin, ABDV, Starc, Anderson, Broad while we are watching a Test match at England.

If you are talking about ODIs, then our team is worst than Afghanistan.
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I speak of our lack of world class cricketers across all three formats.

We are terrible in ODIs, I agree.
 
Hafeez wanted to drop this one too.


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sensible-indian-fan said:
I would be in England's camp right now.

There is a huge IF in your statement.

England ahead and they are playing a very very sensible game here.

They are NOT playing for draw though it might look that way.

They could collapse and lose (cricket is such) which could happen but you will see what they were planning if they don't get damaged too much.
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At the moment, England isn't safe. Pakistan is (relatively).

I would rather be in the latter's camp.
 
Syed1 said:
I hope the new ball brings 4 wickets and none of the catches go towards Hafeez. He is always ready to do the opposition a favour..
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If Hafeez isn't dropped in next test i will support England for the rest of the series, both ODIs and tests. A terrible and horror test opener outside UAE, still get picked.
 
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Shukar hai pakar li.. he was looking to drop this too
 
Mamoon said:
We have no world class player in any format, so why do people expect miracles.

We have no answer to players like Root, Cook, Kohli, Smith, de Villiers, Ashwin, Starc, Steyn, Anderson, Broad etc.
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You are under-selling Yasir in tests.

Actually when opposition gets on top of you, bowlers will bowl BAD. We see that way too many times.

I have seen Anderson, Broad, Starc, Johnson all bowl crap when batsmen were on top. Ashwin was rubbish in his first tour of Aus.

Yasir will come back cos he has zip in his bowling and he has accuracy. Yes, he needs to work on his flight game and using the bounce of the pitch but there is quality.

Just I was typing, he gets a wicket.
 
Mamoon said:
I speak of our lack of world class cricketers across all three formats.

We are terrible in ODIs, I agree.
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i know you love hyping up Indian players, but Ashwin is behind Yasir. Its not that close either.
 
This wicket has been brought about the excellent over by Rahat
 
New ball in 5 overs. Even the root drop has not hurt. Benefits of drying the runs. This had as much to do with rahats previous over as well
 
hk031992 said:
i know you love hyping up Indian players, but Ashwin is behind Yasir. Its not that close either.
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As an overall cricketer, Ashwin is way better. He can bat and he's a class bowler in all formats.

Also a better bowler than he what he was last time India played overseas.
 
Remove Vince now.. Two new bats before new ball would be excellent..
 
Mainul said:
Ehsan Adil is the luckiest bowler in the history of Pakistan cricket to play a few matches for Pakistan.
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I think he's unlucky, when you look at the number of matches these mediocre bowlers have got.
 
Mamoon said:
We have no world class player in any format, so why do people expect miracles.

We have no answer to players like Root, Cook, Kohli, Smith, de Villiers, Ashwin, Starc, Steyn, Anderson, Broad etc.
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True but yet we are competing well in England bhai, you said we would lose 3-0 and that scoreline is now impossible
 
Mamoon said:
As an overall cricketer, Ashwin is way better. He can bat and he's a class bowler in all formats.

Also a better bowler than he what he was last time India played overseas.
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We are talking tests here. Given how frequently India tour overseas, there is no excuse for their players not being better than Pak in tests. I am merely talking about test bowling, Yasir has won his team a test in England, when Ashwin does so in either England, Aus or SA then we can compare. Saying that we do not have any world class players when we have a guy who virrtually everyone would put in their world xi is wrong.
 
Not attacking a new batsman and allowing him to settle, a Misbah speciality.

Will he do something different against Ballance? Hopefully.
 
Keep the runs down and hopefully we pick up a wicket or 2 before the new ball.
 
This ideal for Pakistan. Vince playing for his place and Ballance not so great against pace.
 
hk031992 said:
We are talking tests here. Given how frequently India tour overseas, there is no excuse for their players not being better than Pak in tests. I am merely talking about test bowling, Yasir has won his team a test in England, when Ashwin does so in either England, Aus or SA then we can compare. Saying that we do not have any world class players when we have a guy who virrtually everyone would put in their world xi is wrong.
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I will have Ashwin in my team in Tests as well because he is a quality batsman and a quality bowler.

Yasir is a tailender, and even if he's better with the ball, he's not well ahead.

Ashwin is a massive luxury for India. He's a genuine all-rounder and makes the team even if he can't score a run.
 
How limited is Vince the batsman? Can't even ease the ball to third man?
 
semi decent bowling from other end will get vince out.


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Red Devil said:
He's actually a very good stroke maker. Just being very cautious.
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That's not really accurate. He has only shot, the front foot drive. Haven't seen him play a single scoring shot off the back foot to covers this series. Have seen him get out plenty to it.
 
Pete Rose said:
That's not really accurate. He has only shot, the front foot drive. Haven't seen him play a single scoring shot off the back foot to covers this series. Have seen him get out plenty to it.
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He won't last very long on subcontinental pitches. He has one shot and that is the cover drive. Any good offie will rip one through his bat and pad
 
I would like Misbah to bring in all the fielder and force the batsman to take the risk. It's a risk but worth the rewards.
 
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