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England v Pakistan | 3rd Test | Birmingham | Aug 3-7, 2016 | Day 4

Try Azhar for at least one over and see how he fares.

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England lead by 260 runs with 11 overs remaining in the day.


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Indiafan said:
And he gives away 6 runs the next over. Stop hyping too much even in the first he bowled balls which could be put away
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First ball 4, next 5 balls, 1 run. Even the four was not a bad ball, just a good ODI day shot; used Amir's pace against him. I love how he is bowling, he is on fire. Cannot wait until 2017 when he is back in 100% groove.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Who would win in Oval?

Pakistan haven't lost there since 1967.

However current bowling isn't up to the mark but strengths are strengths (Oval being Pak's strength). England looked screwed in their fortress Edgbaston at one time but have came back and look front runners now.

What do you think of Pak's chances?
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I'll keep telling the same thing SIF - the Series is at the hands of PAK's slip fielders. England is dropping as well, so you can say that balances out. But, PAK is a bowling team - as a strategist, I would have facilitated 4/5 bowlers most to knock 20 wickets at lesser cost of what their batters can accumulate. Adnan is rated way too high here, though I don't think him much better than Sarfu, otherwise would have said that play Sarfu as specialist bat & play a WK, who would catch almost everything.

This is a poor English batting unit - now the 4 bowlers are tiring after 200 overs in 4 days, so the English tail is running away - but at Oval, if PAK plays 5 bowlers, I'll put my money on winning them.

Look, I use my own judgement in a lot of cases & I am satisfied on what I can predict. Day before yesterday, everyone had a go at me for that Sami run-out, which was almost entirely his fault or fundamental running error.

PAK as a team would always analyse that way - Azhar shot the young guy, and that's a fundamental error of not understanding what running between the wickets means. So befittingly, Yasir ran himself out in a critical juncture of the match, which could have actually won the Test for PAK.

Now, I tell the 2nd funda - you can mark it : If PAK goes to val with 4 bowlers, one of Aamir or Rahat is going to limp out.
 
#GreenRoars said:
Said it before, he should be kicked out of the series, doesn't matter if he takes 10fer. His fitness is not good enough to play Test cricket.
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Yes. Very poor fitness and can't bowl long spells needed as part of a 4 bowler attack. Very poor selection IMO. I've heard so much about Hasan Ali. Maybe he should've been selected instead.
 
When did Holding become a Britisher? He should support Windies and be a neutral in this series.
 
I reckon England will move to 400 lead tomorrow before declaring. They would want to shut Pakistan out completely.
 
Bairstow is doing a magnificent job here. Tricky day for Pakistan tomorrow. This is already a tough total to chase.
 
Indiafan said:
In a day?
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If we have 80-85 overs to bat tomorrow, then 300 is the probably the upper limit of what we can achieve.

However if we're set 350+ then there's no shame in batting out a draw - which is achievable on this flat, dry pitch that's not expected to break up (and hasn't deteriorated at all so far).
 
shaaik said:
I think we better include a proper batsman in his place rather than going for 5 bowlers.
Yasir Shah should be able to do well in oval.

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Never - it's back to back Test & 4th in less than 5 weeks. PAK won't finish with 4 bowlers on their feet if they pick only 4. It's a 2 innings match which is won by bowlers. For 20 overs game, one can pick 9 "All-rounders".
 
MMHS said:
I'll keep telling the same thing SIF - the Series is at the hands of PAK's slip fielders. England is dropping as well, so you can say that balances out. But, PAK is a bowling team - as a strategist, I would have facilitated 4/5 bowlers most to knock 20 wickets at lesser cost of what their batters can accumulate. Adnan is rated way too high here, though I don't think him much better than Sarfu, otherwise would have said that play Sarfu as specialist bat & play a WK, who would catch almost everything.

This is a poor English batting unit - now the 4 bowlers are tiring after 200 overs in 4 days, so the English tail is running away - but at Oval, if PAK plays 5 bowlers, I'll put my money on winning them.

Look, I use my own judgement in a lot of cases & I am satisfied on what I can predict. Day before yesterday, everyone had a go at me for that Sami run-out, which was almost entirely his fault or fundamental running error.

PAK as a team would always analyse that way - Azhar shot the young guy, and that's a fundamental error of not understanding what running between the wickets means. So befittingly, Yasir ran himself out in a critical juncture of the match, which could have actually won the Test for PAK.

Now, I tell the 2nd funda - you can mark it : If PAK goes to val with 4 bowlers, one of Aamir or Rahat is going to limp out.
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Good post. But I think Pak only brought 1 specialist keeper to Eng. Also, Pak must absolutely protect Amir, no matter what else happens.
 
MMHS said:
I'll keep telling the same thing SIF - the Series is at the hands of PAK's slip fielders. England is dropping as well, so you can say that balances out. But, PAK is a bowling team - as a strategist, I would have facilitated 4/5 bowlers most to knock 20 wickets at lesser cost of what their batters can accumulate. Adnan is rated way too high here, though I don't think him much better than Sarfu, otherwise would have said that play Sarfu as specialist bat & play a WK, who would catch almost everything.

This is a poor English batting unit - now the 4 bowlers are tiring after 200 overs in 4 days, so the English tail is running away - but at Oval, if PAK plays 5 bowlers, I'll put my money on winning them.

Look, I use my own judgement in a lot of cases & I am satisfied on what I can predict. Day before yesterday, everyone had a go at me for that Sami run-out, which was almost entirely his fault or fundamental running error.

PAK as a team would always analyse that way - Azhar shot the young guy, and that's a fundamental error of not understanding what running between the wickets means. So befittingly, Yasir ran himself out in a critical juncture of the match, which could have actually won the Test for PAK.

Now, I tell the 2nd funda - you can mark it : If PAK goes to val with 4 bowlers, one of Aamir or Rahat is going to limp out.
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How you rate Sami?
 
MMHS said:
I'll keep telling the same thing SIF - the Series is at the hands of PAK's slip fielders. England is dropping as well, so you can say that balances out. But, PAK is a bowling team - as a strategist, I would have facilitated 4/5 bowlers most to knock 20 wickets at lesser cost of what their batters can accumulate. Adnan is rated way too high here, though I don't think him much better than Sarfu, otherwise would have said that play Sarfu as specialist bat & play a WK, who would catch almost everything.

This is a poor English batting unit - now the 4 bowlers are tiring after 200 overs in 4 days, so the English tail is running away - but at Oval, if PAK plays 5 bowlers, I'll put my money on winning them.

Look, I use my own judgement in a lot of cases & I am satisfied on what I can predict. Day before yesterday, everyone had a go at me for that Sami run-out, which was almost entirely his fault or fundamental running error.

PAK as a team would always analyse that way - Azhar shot the young guy, and that's a fundamental error of not understanding what running between the wickets means. So befittingly, Yasir ran himself out in a critical juncture of the match, which could have actually won the Test for PAK.

Now, I tell the 2nd funda - you can mark it : If PAK goes to val with 4 bowlers, one of Aamir or Rahat is going to limp out.
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How is this series lost due to catch drop when Pakistan bowling has been the culprit?

Its one of the factors but not the the most important one.
 
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England will get a 310-320 lead today and slog around a bit tomorrow and give Pakistan 370-80 to chase in 70-80 overs.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
This is what England was planning for whole day. Stumbled in between but came back well.

12 overs to go.

5 rpo will give them a lead of 300.

They will probably play 5 overs tomorrow and get a 330 lead and insert Pakistan to chase 330 in 85 overs at an req rpo of 3.88
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Not sure whether Cook is that sort of captain. He'll want to make sure they bat us out of the match.
 
Maybe we should start stalling. Bowl wide outside off with the occasional bouncer
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Yes. Very poor fitness and can't bowl long spells needed as part of a 4 bowler attack. Very poor selection IMO. I've heard so much about Hasan Ali. Maybe he should've been selected instead.
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There are higher chances that he may get selected for ODI team.
 
Markhor said:
Not sure whether Cook is that sort of captain. He'll want to make sure they bat us out of the match.
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330 in 85 overs is more than plenty to a non stroke making team.

He would worry about that against Aus but not Pak.....even against India he would go for it.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Maybe we should start stalling. Bowl wide outside off with the occasional bouncer
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I agree with this strategy. The only thing everybody seems to agree on is that Cook is very defensive. He will want to be almost 100% safe before declaring. Make Eng bat as long as possible please.
 
Hasan123 said:
No way will we play 5 actual bowlers. One will have to be an all rounder
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Good point - who is that All-rounder? Sir Ifti?

Our Mahmudullah is like Ashwin, if Iftekhar is considered an offie.
 
Moeen Ali normally bats at 3 for his domestic team. Chris Woakes bats at 6 or 7.

Its a testament to England's batting depth they have both at 7 and 8.
 
Yasir is so easy to score quickly off. It's why he is such a trash Limited Overs bowler
 
JibranAnsari said:
runs are irrelevant now. !00 more or 150 , doesnt matter.
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Runs do matter though. Eng will not declare until they get a certain amount of runs. Of course, 100 vs 150 will not matter, but 325-350 might. Make them bat as long as we can at this stage (hopefully at least a bit of tomorrow)
 
MMHS said:
Good point - who is that All-rounder? Sir Ifti?

Our Mahmudullah is like Ashwin, if Iftekhar is considered an offie.
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Iftikhar is not the answer. Yamin is the on who comes to mind but he is not even in the squad
 
ViciousMachine said:
Runs do matter though. Eng will not declare until they get a certain amount of runs. Of course, 100 vs 150 will not matter, but 325-350 might. Make them bat as long as we can at this stage (hopefully at least a bit of tomorrow)
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Exactly, the longer England take to score those extra runs, the lesser overs Pak has to play for a draw.
 
ViciousMachine said:
Runs do matter though. Eng will not declare until they get a certain amount of runs. Of course, 100 vs 150 will not matter, but 325-350 might. Make them bat as long as we can at this stage (hopefully at least a bit of tomorrow)
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They will not put us into bat today and they will get 325 tonight , it wont matter anymore,
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
How is this series lost due to catch drop when Pakistan bowling has been the culprit?

Its one of the factors but not the the most important one.
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You don't win a Test with good bowling or batting - so Bangladesh having Allen Knott as WK & 9 Graham Roop catching won't even compete with England.

I am talking about the extra inch that makes the difference. You can check my post prior to this Series. I gave PAK team more chance than even the most loyal PAK fan, simply because this is a good Test unit (won't be in 3 years time, unless QA Style doesn't change), and much, much under pitched.
 
It will be curious to see if Cook declares at stumps. I personally do not think he will. This is the same man who did not enforce the follow-on in the second test.

Chasing 325 over 90 overs is just 3.61 an over. Cook will want to be closer to 4 an over. If England get 340 tonight, then maybe he declares. These 7 1/2 overs are still key. C'mon team green!!! Keep fighting
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
At this stage everyone gets carted around.

If you wanna blame him, blame him for his bowling early in the day.
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Because he doesn't bowl the googly, he needs to flight the ball more which he doesn't do. So he either over pitches or bowls too short when he is getting attacked. He has to flight the ball more.
 
This will be the highest chase ever at this ground if Pakistan manage it. Have England eliminate d a Pakistan win here?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
This will be the highest chase ever at this ground if Pakistan manage it. Have England eliminate d a Pakistan win here?
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They have, because any thing over 250 and Pakistan never play with positive intent. They will play for a draw and likely collapse tomorrow.

To be honest, this pitch looks like even 350 can be chased here.
 
BleedGreen said:
They have, because any thing over 250 and Pakistan never play with positive intent. They will play for a draw and likely collapse tomorrow.

To be honest, this pitch looks like even 350 can be chased here.
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We chased 302 and 377, why not this?
 
There is no shame in drawing at Edgbaston. I expected before the series we'd get rolled over here as this has been a fortress for England for years. They haven't lost there since 2008 when an ATG South Africa team chased down 283 under Mickey Arthur.

If the batsmen knuckle down and are patient, then a draw is very achievable on this placid track that's not expected to break up. Just be patient against Anderson, Broad and Woakes.

If you offered 1-1 going into The Oval Test then I'd have bit your hand off.
 
BleedGreen said:
They have, because any thing over 250 and Pakistan never play with positive intent. They will play for a draw and likely collapse tomorrow.

To be honest, this pitch looks like even 350 can be chased here.
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I like the positive thoughts, but you seem detached from reality. Big difference between scoring freely when you are in full control (like Eng now), and scoring 350 in a day when other team on full attack (like Eng will be tomorrow)
 
Hasan123 said:
Iftikhar is not the answer. Yamin is the on who comes to mind but he is not even in the squad
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Again - like my fishing. Always my wife knows that the biggest one slipped away.

The way people are hyping Yamin, like PAK has left Keith Millar at home. He is a 120km dibly dobly without any skill with new ball, and you want him to bat at 6.

One reason PAK is in top 3 in Test (could be even 1) & 9th (could remain there for 3 more years), because Test is still almost unchanged - PAK uses the most fundamental formation - 6 ballebaaz & 4 genbaaz; I am more comfortable to keep it simple like that only 5 ballebaaz & 5 genbaaz.

Playing all-rounder is a combination game, for which you need Captain in field. Coach with a lap top can't instruct Captain in charge - bring Yamin now, bowl Azhar for 3 overs against wind, use YK as 1st change .......
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Pathetic by Misbah to have Azhar bowling instead of Rahat who has bowled only 21 overs.
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To be honest, I would do the same. I would even consider removing Yasir from the attack. As others stated, we only have 4 bowlers, we need to protect them. At this stage, no reason for any pace bowler to be bowling, let them all rest. If we draw this test, we need them in 4th (well, Rahat and Amir, not Sohail)
 
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