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England v South Africa | 1st Test | The Oval | Jul 19-23, 2012 | Day 5

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If SA do not get a wicket or two by lunch, I guess England'll save this match.
 
SA needs some inspirational bowling here. If they let this slip, then it'll be difficult for them to win the series.
 
Good session for england only one wicket lost!

S.A have wasted two great chances to get rid of bell.

England have a chance here to survive.
 
Well, England 177/5 at Lunch on day 5.

Now I expect some English fans to crop up, as their team has a strong chance of drawing here.
 
The guys need to up their intensity. Steyn needs to produce one of his inspired spells.

If England draw then they would have earned it.
 
Hmmmm.... so far so good for England.

Still tons of time for SA to win in.
 
Plenty overs left in the day, Steyn just getting a touch of reverse. New Ball due in under 10 overs. One wicket away from the tail. Still plenty of cricket left here
 
Doesn't matter, England will still lose. We don't have Collingwood to save us as he has done for the three big saves.

Pathetic bowling during the SA innings, and even more brainless batting by us. This is as flat a pancake as you can have, and yet we've yielded 15 wickets so far? Brainless.
 
AdidasBeard said:
Plenty overs left in the day, Steyn just getting a touch of reverse. New Ball due in under 10 overs. One wicket away from the tail. Still plenty of cricket left here
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Well, I dont think so. The Poms will certainly draw here. May be even make the Saffers bat for a few overs here...
 
Ruri said:
Doesn't matter, England will still lose. We don't have Collingwood to save us as he has done for the three big saves.

Pathetic bowling during the SA innings, and even more brainless batting by us. This is as flat a pancake as you can have, and yet we've yielded 15 wickets so far? Brainless.
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sorry .. you guys will draw this game :19:
 
style_guru said:
Well, I dont think so. The Poms will certainly draw here. May be even make the Saffers bat for a few overs here...
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Not a chance. Bell will leave a straight one targeting the stumps, Prior will miscue after a nice 50, Bresnan will defend solidly for a good two overs before dragging one, Swann will smash a couple before being caught, and Anderson will defend edgily and then finally get bowled. Smith will walk out and score the 10-20 runs within 5 overs.
 
For the next match, Bopara needs to be replaced with Finn. Finn is still a worse bowler than the ones we have, but has an X-factor for picking up wickets with average balls. And we don't need Bopara's pretty mediocre batting.
 
Ruri said:
Not a chance. Bell will leave a straight one targeting the stumps, Prior will miscue after a nice 50, Bresnan will defend solidly for a good two overs before dragging one, Swann will smash a couple before being caught, and Anderson will defend edgily and then finally get bowled. Smith will walk out and score the 10-20 runs within 5 overs.
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You trying the famous 'Reverse Jinx' here:13:
 
style_guru said:
You trying the famous 'Reverse Jinx' here:13:
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You don't know me too well, then. I hide behind pessimism. James and Robert can attest to that. By expecting failure, I find it more comforting that though we lost, I was expecting it anyways, and did not get my hopes up. I think I've predicted an SA win in the series anyways.

I think its also rather evident that I loathe our batsmen for their lack of spine. I was railing on them nonstop for losing winnable situations in SL and UAE for their incompetence. I show our bowlers a bit more leniency because I think they have done well on the most part barring this Test, and I'm a bowler myself, so I understand how annoying it can be.

Also, as far as superstitions go that I do actually follow: I am not actually watching the match, despite having a gorgeously large TV in front of me, and I refuse to leave Cricinfo open to live scorecard, as I fear that I will see a 6 on the tab when I look at it. Instead, I click into Cricinfo periodically to check in, and then close the browser.

England always takes wickets or scores centuries when I am not watching. I've usually got the TV on mute, and then look up occasionally to see replays of England wickets, and go, huh? When did that happen.
 
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I don't think South Africa will be able to pick up the remaining 4 wickets, this England side is unbeatable in England
 
Some strange posts on here. England were always going to show some fight on this flat surface. Bell has been superb, Prior was always going to lose his marbles.

The new ball is due now. Although Bresnan, Swann and Broad can bat, SA will run in hard to finish them off now.

The key is how much strike Bell has. Even if England get a 70-80 lead SA can still chase it down easily.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
I don't think South Africa will be able to pick up the remaining 4 wickets, this England side is unbeatable in England
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Ok. See you after the match.:asif

@ Topic:- New ball available now. Let's see if Morkel is able to do something, or will he keep wasting deliveries...
 
3 wickets to get now, can england make S.A bat again. Broad and bresnan might as well play some shots here!

If S.A win this test once again england will have to come from behind in a home series v S.A to win or even draw the series.
 
lol, at people thinking England would get away with a draw here. The fat bold barmy army blokes is about to blow his trumpet. Should be over just before tea. Tea can also be delayed.
 
1 more for a 5-fer. This is the kind of Steyn spell I've been waiting for!
 
My gut feel was that is out, but but but

should have been given not out, simply because the proof was not over whelming.

LBW's decisions are only overturned if the evidence is 100% against the umpire, even the slightest doubt the decision stays with the umpire, so why be different when it comes to caught behinds

And before someone mentioned snick-o-meter it is not part of the DRS
 
Are people seeing difference between the way SA is using new ball and England?

That's difference between two sides.
 
asifp said:
My gut feel was that is out, but but but

should have been given not out, simply because the proof was not over whelming.

LBW's decisions are only overturned if the evidence is 100% against the umpire, even the slightest doubt the decision stays with the umpire, so why be different when it comes to caught behinds

And before someone mentioned snick-o-meter it is not part of the DRS
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:))) :))

Good one.

Oh this wasn't joke .. oh. :facepalm:
 
cricketworm said:
Are people seeing difference between the way SA is using new ball and England?

That's difference between two sides.
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The difference between these two sides on this performance is virtually everything! What remains to be seen is whether it is a temporary blip or South Africa will steamroll through England in the next 2 games
 
Alexander said:
I'm an England fan and even I have to admit that was out. Evidence was there.
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Like I said it was out but only confirmed after the snick o meter

Hot spot did not really had a spot showing up there.

The policy in LBW even if there is a bit of a doubt the decision stays with the umpire, so I say when it not be the same when it comes to caught behinds.

I just see an inconsistency in how the rule is being applied.

Its like in the NFL, there is a pretty good chance that the on field decision is wrong, but that is not good enough the over turn in, the proof must be indisputable.
 
Hot spot doesn't show spot every time, that doesn't mean he didn't glove it. Umpire can give decision using their 'brain'. They don't need hotspot as a proof to make a decision.
 
AdidasBeard said:
The difference between these two sides on this performance is virtually everything! What remains to be seen is whether it is a temporary blip or South Africa will steamroll through England in the next 2 games
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Let's see how England responds. Clearly Advantage is with SA at Leeds.
 
cricketworm said:
:))) :))

Good one.

Oh this wasn't joke .. oh. :facepalm:
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read again before making your face palms. I am just talking about the how the rule is being applied.

So when it comes to LBW the proof must be indisputable before the decision is overturned, otherwise a bit of doubt and it is umpires call.

But when it comes to caught behind even if there is a bit of a doubt, then decision can be over turned.

That is inconsistent.

And let me rephrase if snick-o-meter was used that was 100% out, but that is not part of DRS, based on the evidence shown, there was no hot spot showing up.
 
asifp said:
Like I said it was out but only confirmed after the snick o meter

Hot spot did not really had a spot showing up there.

The policy in LBW even if there is a bit of a doubt the decision stays with the umpire, so I say when it not be the same when it comes to caught behinds.

I just see an inconsistency in how the rule is being applied.

Its like in the NFL, there is a pretty good chance that the on field decision is wrong, but that is not good enough the over turn in, the proof must be indisputable.
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There was a very faint spot on the front of the glove. And the evidence was the sound - it matched up to the point of impact, and his hands were away from his body so the sound couldn't have come from anything else.
 
If you don't think that he didn't glove it without using sneako that people need to watch and understand more cricket.
 
cricketworm said:
Hot spot doesn't show spot every time, that doesn't mean he didn't glove it. Umpire can give decision using their 'brain'. They don't need hotspot as a proof to make a decision.
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Then why have hot spot. That is the point, if you are using technology then it must be applied.

ICC just went on and on recently about how this hot spot is the best thing since sliced bread, while then use it.

If there is no spot, not out simple, cause according to the latest research the hot spot can get the faintest of edges.

Using the brain parts, means there is some doubt and the umpire cannot make a conclusive decision using the technology at hand.

If there is doubt, then it should not be overturned. That is the LBW policy so apply it here.
 
asifp said:
read again before making your face palms. I am just talking about the how the rule is being applied.

So when it comes to LBW the proof must be indisputable before the decision is overturned, otherwise a bit of doubt and it is umpires call.

But when it comes to caught behind even if there is a bit of a doubt, then decision can be over turned.

That is inconsistent.

And let me rephrase if snick-o-meter was used that was 100% out, but that is not part of DRS, based on the evidence shown, there was no hot spot showing up.
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By rule, you don't need either hotspot or sneako to make out that he gloved it. Umpires had enough evidence to give it out. It is there to give umpires 'aid' but it's not by rule that they have to show evidence to umpires to make a decision.
 
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