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England vs Pakistan | 3rd Test | Southampton | Aug 21-25, 2020 | Day 1

JattMaula said:
Many bowlers have placed 4/5 tests per series. Pakistan bowlers bowled only 43 overs in seconds test in this series.
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Naseem bowled 5 overs in last 13 days before this test. To say he was tired is a joke
 
sindhiboy said:
The England selectors are absolute geniuses for picking Crawley and overlooking his very low fc average of 30
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English selectors looks at talent and potential before selecting someone.

Our selector looks at their age.. bacha or budha only
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Yea but Wasim took a typical PCB like decision. Didn't expect that from him. Thought he would really use his network in the UK to get some professionals in the Pakistani set up.

Instead we get amateurs who haven't really coached before or not that successfully.
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Good point.

If he appointed Misbah he could have at least gotten better batting and bowling coaches than Waqar and Younis.
 
Indiafan said:
How can a bowler be tired after bowling 5 overs in last 9 days?
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He can after having bowled almost 120+ overs in a month time including all intra squad games. He has a demanding bowling action, which is underestimated by the current team management. Needs to be taken care of the next 2 years so that he doesn't break down again with a back injury. Last time he missed a whole year!!!
 
Glad to see Buttler come good in tests. Dispels the myth thay you can only succeed in tests by blocking every ball and having a textbook technique. Also Buttler is one of my favourite players.

Credit to England for sticking by him.
 
Everybody including yasir has been awful so why single out anybody ..its a flat wicket
 
castortroy said:
Most overhyped pak attack ever

Someone like Amir is levels ahead of these 2
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Amir averaged 40s in tests before the tour of Eng but Pak was patient with him considering his young age and potential. He was a top talent who was getting better with time in 2010.

This is 10th test of Shaheen and 6th of Naseem and they dont even have much FC experience behind them unlike Amir who had over 50 FC wickets before his test debut. You need to be patient when you draft in pacers at such young age. Yes one can argue that one more experienced pacer atleast at FC level could have been playing but thats another topic.
 
Mamoon said:
There is a talent crisis in Pakistan. All these corruption and nepotism are excuses to defend our decline as a cricket nation.

We are a small team now.
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Mamoon in a country where there are 22 crores people - don’t we have 11 world class players?

Surely there are better players than Azhar’s, Shafiqs etc.
 
Indiafan said:
How can they be over bowled when Pakistan bowled one innings in last 9 days before this match? Naseem bowled 5 overs in last 9 days. First test was played after 3 months of rest
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I think there more to it than physical condition. Mental exhaustion plays a big role too, particularly when the team has been training for 2+ months and the bowlers in questions are at ages 18/20

Really should have been identified by coaching staff
 
Mueez said:
Mamoon in a country where there are 22 crores people - don’t we have 11 world class players?

Surely there are better players than Azhar’s, Shafiqs etc.
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It is not a population issue. Theoretically, Pakistan should be the second strongest cricket nation because we have the largest talent pool after India.

However, the problem is that our mentally is rotten to the core. We don’t understand cricket, we try to play a terrible brand of cricket, we have the wrong idea of how to construct a winning team, we have the wrong idea of what we need to develop a strong team, and our analysis are awful.

You can count on one hand the number of players and ex-players who actually understand the game.

In a nutshell, we are completely clueless.
 
I feel sorry for the new Eng test batsman because they will never be picked for odis, only be test specialists. Crawley deserves a chance to be a superstar in all formats.
 
Mueez said:
Mamoon in a country where there are 22 crores people - don’t we have 11 world class players?

Surely there are better players than Azhar’s, Shafiqs etc.
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In Pakistan, quality of player is irrelevant. What matters is Age and Experience, and no one beats Asad and Azhar when it comes to that.

Just wait till Malik and Hafeez have a go in the T20 team, that is what Pakistan Cricket is all about
 
The inexperience in the pace attack is visible, Amir screwed it up should had played.
 
Just checked the ground stats

STATS - TEST
Total matches 5
Matches won batting first 2
Matches won bowling first 1
Average 1st Inns scores 287
Average 2nd Inns scores 281
Average 3rd Inns scores 280
Average 4th Inns scores 187
Highest total recorded 569/7 (163.4 Ov) by ENG vs IND
Lowest total recorded 178/10 (66.4 Ov) by IND vs ENG
 
Mamoon said:
It is not a population issue. Theoretically, Pakistan should be the second strongest cricket nation because we have the largest talent pool after India.

However, the problem is that our mentally is rotten to the core. We don’t understand cricket, we try to play a terrible brand of cricket, we have the wrong idea of how to construct a winning team, we have the wrong idea of what we need to develop a strong team, and our analysis are awful.

You can count on one hand the number of players and ex-players who actually understand the game.

In a nutshell, we are completely clueless.
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I will take that. Especially the part about how even a healthy number of ex-players do not actually understand the game. Lots of Youtube analyses going around with ex-cricketers talking away what little respect they held.
 
Cricket has become a poor man’s sport in the country because school cricket has completely died. As a result, most of our players are uneducated and had poor nutrition in their childhood.

Consequently, they have had stunted mental growth which has hampered their cognitive development and resulted in low IQs.

Most of our players are thick beyond measure.
 
Naseem doesn't exactly hit the bat hard does.

Speed gun has him high 80s but looks much slower than that
 
Mamoon said:
It is not a population issue. Theoretically, Pakistan should be the second strongest cricket nation because we have the largest talent pool after India.

However, the problem is that our mentally is rotten to the core. We don’t understand cricket, we try to play a terrible brand of cricket, we have the wrong idea of how to construct a winning team, we have the wrong idea of what we need to develop a strong team, and our analysis are awful.

You can count on one hand the number of players and ex-players who actually understand the game.

In a nutshell, we are completely clueless.
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Indeed. It is our mentality which needs a reset. We try to rely on miracles and love to be the “unpredictable” Pakistan.

It is about time we change this and build a winning team.
 
Pakistan have this series due to Azhar Ali captaincy. I honestly believe that is the reason. They should have won first test and would have been 1-1
 
Butler can kill off a game in 2-3 sessions. I think he can play as a batsman and let Foakes be the keeper.
 
This is exactly why we should've wrapped things up at Old Trafford when we had the upper hand for 3.5 days.
 
Mamoon said:
It is not a population issue. Theoretically, Pakistan should be the second strongest cricket nation because we have the largest talent pool after India.

However, the problem is that our mentally is rotten to the core. We don’t understand cricket, we try to play a terrible brand of cricket, we have the wrong idea of how to construct a winning team, we have the wrong idea of what we need to develop a strong team, and our analysis are awful.

You can count on one hand the number of players and ex-players who actually understand the game.

In a nutshell, we are completely clueless.
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So you're basically saying Imran Khan is the last guy who understood the game and built a winning team.
 
Mamoon said:
Cricket has become a poor man’s sport in the country because school cricket has completely died. As a result, most of our players are uneducated and had poor nutrition in their childhood.

Consequently, they have had stunted mental growth which has hampered their cognitive development and resulted in low IQs.

Most of our players are thick beyond measure.
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This is the truth. People will call you out for being hateful, but this is what I've always thought.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
So you're basically saying Imran Khan is the last guy who understood the game and built a winning team.
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He obviously did. He was educated and groomed, he knew what he had to do to become a top player and what he had to do to construct a successful team.
 
HappyWarsFan said:
For New Zealand tour, Shan Masood as captain, Zafar, Aamer Yamin, Usman Saluhuddin in the team. Ehsan Adil and Sameen in for pacers.
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+1 and with Azhar and Matchwinner pensioned off.

See I wouldn't be fazed by ENG being 320-4 if we had a decent batting lineup. But with our lot, I know they've made 50 too many already.
 
Mamoon said:
India’s example is in front of us. They produced a bigger cornered tigers moment in 1983 but didn’t allow it to define their cricket, and we have seen the result.
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Yeah. The biggest reason why they perform better than us is the fact that they select players on merit. Those who perform in the domestic circuit and those who don’t need to be developed in the International arena.
 
Mamoon said:
He obviously did. He was educated and groomed, he knew what he had to do to become a top player and what he had to do to construct a successful team.
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At least he built a team which performed for at least a decade.

What can we expect from the likes of Sarfaraz and Azhar?
 
Markhor said:
+1 and with Azhar and Matchwinner pensioned off.

See I wouldn't be fazed by ENG being 320-4 if we had a decent batting lineup. But with our lot, I know they've made 50 too many already.
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Yep exactly. If our batting was ok I'd think we could score 350+ ourselves but no way this is happening with this sorry bunch of clowns.
 
Mueez said:
Yeah. The biggest reason why they perform better than us is the fact that they select players on merit. Those who perform in the domestic circuit and those who don’t need to be developed in the International arena.
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Selectors in every country make some bad calls and India is no different, but the difference is that Indian cricket mentally is very, very good. Their players understand the game but ours don’t.
 
Mueez said:
Yeah. The biggest reason why they perform better than us is the fact that they select players on merit. Those who perform in the domestic circuit and those who don’t need to be developed in the International arena.
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Now a days selection for Pak is very easy. Bowl 140kph
 
Mueez said:
At least he built a team which performed for at least a decade.

What can we expect from the likes of Sarfaraz and Azhar?
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I actually feel sorry for Azhar. He has no clue about anything that is going on. You don’t have to look beyond the dumb reviews that he takes.
 
Mamoon said:
Selectors in every country make some bad calls and India is no different, but the difference is that Indian cricket mentally is very, very good. Their players understand the game but ours don’t.
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Yes. Absolutely. For example compare Kohli’s hunger to succeed with Azhar’s. You see the difference.

We just play for the sake of playing.
 
324/4.

Why didn't Azhar bowl a few overs himself? Part-time bowlers can sometimes get the breakthrough.
 
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Mamoon said:
I actually feel sorry for Azhar. He has no clue about anything that is going on. You don’t have to look beyond the dumb reviews that he takes.
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It is pathetic to see the poor guy lead the team.

Someone who would’ve retired a long time ago if he was born in another country.
 
HappyWarsFan said:
Bowl 1 ball in PSL at 150 kph and your in the team.
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I dont know why we even have a FC system if you are'nt going to select its top performers. I understand some indviduals are prodigious and they should be selected early but majority of selections should be on merit.
Looking at the I wont be suprised if Pakistan make 500 here. The pitch looks DEAD to me. Edges are not carrying and there is minimal movement
 
Pakistan’s worst day of the tour imo, and it could have cost them their chance of winning this Test and taking a tied series back to Pakistan.

The captaincy was predictably poor, but for the first time in a while both the fielding and (very surprisingly) the bowling have looked pretty poor as well.
 
This is just taking a more objective look at the problem, but yes, for a lot of players getting into the PCT XI is already the fulfilment of their goals. For very few is that the start of their journey.

We know the Akmals, the Shehzads etc. We know many others for whom staying in the team and not falling out of favour is key.
 
How about giving full credit to these two England bats rather than being over critical of pakistan bowlers, in elite sport players are allowed to perform and have off days.
 
Talking about mentality - if we had a winning mentality we would’ve won the first Test.

There is no way any other top team would’ve lost the after getting the opposition 5 out for 117.

I expect Pak to get crushed here... it is pretty unfortunate for Babar to be the lone warrior for this team. Pakistani team doesn’t deserve him.
 
James said:
Pakistan’s worst day of the tour imo, and it could have cost them their chance of winning this Test and taking a tied series back to Pakistan.

The captaincy was predictably poor, but for the first time in a while both the fielding and (very surprisingly) the bowling have looked pretty poor as well.
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Well said , and it can happen
 
Few quick wickets and we could still restrict England to 400.
Then if we bat very long on this dead pitch we might have a chance.
If not then atleast draw is possible considering day 5 is predicted to rain all day and the pitch is pretty flat.
 
Smudger said:
I dont know why we even have a FC system if you are'nt going to select its top performers. I understand some indviduals are prodigious and they should be selected early but majority of selections should be on merit.
Looking at the I wont be suprised if Pakistan make 500 here. The pitch looks DEAD to me. Edges are not carrying and there is minimal movement
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I doubt it. They will make loose shots and get out. Don't expect anything more than 300.
 
Mueez said:
Talking about mentality - if we had a winning mentality we would’ve won the first Test.

There is no way any other top team would’ve lost the after getting the opposition 5 out for 117.

I expect Pak to get crushed here... it is pretty unfortunate for Babar to be the lone warrior for this team. Pakistani team doesn’t deserve him.
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Babar actually needs to stand up and perform as a bat , scoring a big hundred and not the pretty 40-50
 
Smudger said:
I dont know why we even have a FC system if you are'nt going to select its top performers. I understand some indviduals are prodigious and they should be selected early but majority of selections should be on merit.
Looking at the I wont be suprised if Pakistan make 500 here. The pitch looks DEAD to me. Edges are not carrying and there is minimal movement
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Batting once or twice?
 
Manunited18 said:
How about giving full credit to these two England bats rather than being over critical of pakistan bowlers, in elite sport players are allowed to perform and have off days.
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They already had an off day in the Old trafford match. Being unable to defend 277 is inexcusable.
 
HappyWarsFan said:
I doubt it. They will make loose shots and get out. Don't expect anything more than 300.
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You are right. We have two liabilites in Ali and Shafiq. Our only hope is if Baber plays and long innings and Fawad can play one too as he has years of experience in FC but I doubt he can handle the pressure and he is p past his peak too
 
Hasan123 said:
Andy Flower was available when Misbah was appointed. That just shows the ambition and cricketing knowledge of the PCB.
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It’s not even about ambition or knowledge. The application process was corrupt and specifically design to eliminate everyone, so Misbah could secure the role.

I don’t know whether it’s because Wasim Khan/Mani took a particular liking to Misbah or because he has connections higher up but this was never about meritocracy. It was about doing this one man a favour.

PCB have a record of blunders in their decision making but they are not that dumb to pick someone who merely posses a level 2 coaching qualification and lacks any noteworthy coaching experience at professional level.
 
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