[EXCLUSIVE] "You never know, I can take my retirement back": Imad Wasim

[mominsaigol]

You see I make no secret about how much I despise Misbah because of what he did to destroy Pakistan cricket which I've always backed up with pure cricketing reasons and facts. I would never bring his personal life nor his family into it because I wouldn't stoop that low.

As we all know, Wasim Akram was a champion cricketer and one the greatest players to have ever graced the sport. @daytrader has no room to target him for his cricketing ability, so he's gone down the path of bringing his personal life and family relationships into it.

Bro we just highlight what misbah did.

We don't say

" If I was chairman I'd make sure I'd make misbah a laughing stock, I'd go to social media and mock his sister and his brother Muhahahahah".

But no bro, we're ultimate haters, we've started a cult. Sari ghalti hamari hai, clearly the people claiming they have unwavering and unmatched intellects and the people claiming babar can smash 6 4's in a super over are the one's who are following the 10 commandments of God.

 

[daytrader]

Just because Wasim Akram doesn't conform to your cult following of Babar, you're now bringing his personal life and his relationship with his family into it. That's a low blow. I thought you were better than that.

Also, assuming what you say is true, we don't know what the nature of their relationship is. Before you assume the worst of Wasim Akram, have you ever thought maybe his brother doesn't want to beg or take his brother's money?

Imagine getting so triggered about his sentiments, you've decided to go down the road of defaming him. I'm sorry to say but you've taken cult following to another level.

My views about Wasim pre-date Babar. They haven't changed

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Just say that you are an advocate of match-fixing.

Fixed ages ago.

Served his time.

There is no such thing as "double jeopardy" in law.

That is such a basic principle of law that I am baffled you don't know it.

Pity that you are on a mission to bring down ANYONE and EVERYONE who dares speak against Babar.

I don't know what happened, but I am sure something has happened over the summer that has made you one of biggest fans of Babar on the planet.

 

[topspin]

Bro we just highlight what misbah did.

We don't say

" If I was chairman I'd make sure I'd make misbah a laughing stock, I'd go to social media and mock his sister and his brother Muhahahahah".

But no bro, we're ultimate haters, we've started a cult. Sari ghalti hamari hai, clearly the people claiming they have unwavering and unmatched intellects and the people claiming babar can smash 6 4's in a super over are the one's who are following the 10 commandments of God.

Nailed it.

This thread has really exposed quite a few posters not just with their cricketing knowledge & logic but also their character and perhaps their connections.

 

[daytrader]

As we all know, Wasim Akram was a champion cricketer and one the greatest players to have ever graced the sport. @daytrader has no room to target him for his cricketing ability, so he's gone down the path of bringing his personal life and family relationships into it.

The topic isn't his cricketing ability though and no one doubts that. It's about what he can do to help Pakistan currently. As I said can't expect much from him

 

[mominsaigol]

My views about Wasim pre-date Babar. They haven't changed

He's claiming you're attacking his family, and Mamoon literally claimed if he was chairman he'd do everything in his power to be as corrupt as possible, thatbhed lie to imad waseem on giving him a contract and then deliberately not play him and forcefully make sure he can never play again.

No offense man, but when you make comments such as these, you don't really have a right to call anyone cultists or claim that they have an agenda.

All I'll say is look in the mirror, and think 2x before you guys make such comments.

 

[topspin]

I don't know what happened, but I am sure something has happened over the summer that has made you one of biggest fans of Babar on the planet.

Post #590 is worth a read.

 

[topspin]

My views about Wasim pre-date Babar. They haven't changed

I was the one who brought Wasim Akram into this discussion when I mentioned him, Imad and Simon Doull had criticised Babar for being selfish.

In response, you obviously got triggered by that and decided to smear him.

We know what you think of Imad, so what have you got for us with regards to Simon Doull? Go on, tell us without any filter what you think of him as well.

 

[Rana]

It was Imad’s second over. He always bowls at least two overs in the PP. He is never taken off after one over only.

Had Babar not given him the second over and someone else has bowled and got tonked, your narrative would have been that Babar made a mistake by not continuing with Imad because if he did, he would have bowled another economical over (after conceding only 5 in his first over) and Australia would have been pushed further on the back-foot.

Nevertheless, that game taught us that Imad is a fraud of a cricketer who should be dropped.

Babar thought so too and Imad was dropped after that game and then he ran off and cried in the media like a child runs of the principal’s office in school after getting bullied by another kid.

Imad’s bowling that day:

1st over: 5 runs (powerplay)
2nd over: 17 runs (powerplay, 4th over with Warner at crease)
3rd over: 3 runs (11th over with Wade/Stoinis starting innings)

He bowled ok. 2nd over ruined his figures, but he wasn’t nearly as terrible as you are making him out to be. It’s not the first or the last time a decent/good spinner has been taken to the cleaners by a world class batsman in the powerplay. The match up was wrong, the left hander took his advantage and it paid off. That’s cricket for you.

 

[daytrader]

He's claiming you're attacking his family, and Mamoon literally claimed if he was chairman he'd do everything in his power to be as corrupt as possible, thatbhed lie to imad waseem on giving him a contract and then deliberately not play him and forcefully make sure he can never play again.

No offense man, but when you make comments such as these, you don't really have a right to call anyone cultists or claim that they have an agenda.

All I'll say is look in the mirror, and think 2x before you guys make such comments.

Cntrl F Misbah and you will see it's you and your love affair that keep bringing up that name. If that isn't an agenda then what is?

And you guys have said worse about him. I know a little bit about Wasim's family due to his Canadian connection but won't indulge in it further. I'll take back what I said but the point remains thay he's too selfish to help anyone let alone PCT eventhough he can

 

[Mamoon]

Fixed ages ago.

Served his time.

There is no such thing as "double jeopardy" in law.

That is such a basic principle of law that I am baffled you don't know it.

Pity that you are on a mission to bring down ANYONE and EVERYONE who dares speak against Babar.

I don't know what happened, but I am sure something has happened over the summer that has made you one of biggest fans of Babar on the planet.

What time did he serve?

Wasim was never held accountable for his crimes.

And my main problem with Wasim is that he is doesn’t have the courage to coach Pakistan even though he is in a position where he can help or at least offer to help.

If you are in a position to help and you don’t, your opinions and your pearls of wisdom are worth nothing.

How can I be one of the biggest fans of Babar if I can name 3-4 Indian batsmen (other than Kohli and Rohit) who I think are better than him or will be better than him by the Babar and they are done with their careers.

But as I wrote at great length yesterday, I will not tolerate Pakistani fans downplaying how good and important Babar is for Pakistan and I will not tolerate them claiming that a random hack is a bigger match winner for Pakistan or a bits and pieces player like Imad offers the same net utility that Babar does.

I will also not accept anyone calling him an average batsman.

 

[Mamoon]

Imad’s bowling that day:

1st over: 5 runs (powerplay)
2nd over: 17 runs (powerplay, 4th over with Warner at crease)
3rd over: 3 runs (11th over with Wade/Stoinis starting innings)

He bowled ok. 2nd over ruined his figures, but he wasn’t nearly as terrible as you are making him out to be. It’s not the first or the last time a decent/good spinner has been taken to the cleaners by a world class batsman in the powerplay. The match up was wrong, the left hander took his advantage and it paid off. That’s cricket for you.

No one asked him to concede 17 runs in the second over. His big match temperament went for a hike.

 

[Mamoon]

Isn't ir ironic how you're highlighting that one game in which imad didn't bowled economically due to babar's decision on bringing him on

What do you mean by this?

It is Imad’s job to bowl in the PP overs. That is his speciality. That is what he is known for.

That is his super power that his fans believe in.

Imad simply bottled it. That’s it.

 

[Rana]

No one asked him to concede 17 runs in the second over. His big match temperament went for a hike.

Of course no one asked…who asks a bowler to go for 17 runs in the over? Babar Cronje?

 

[Mamoon]

Of course no one asked…who asks a bowler to go for 17 runs in the over? Babar Cronje?

Hence proved that Imad’s big match mentality is a myth.

 

[Rana]

Hence proved that Imad’s big match mentality is a myth.

Right, ok

But the last 3 PSL must win games for Islamabad were won largely on the back of Imad Wasim’s excellent performances. One of them included knocking Babar Azam out of the tournament

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Which PSL version of Imad Wasim has been more impressive?

 

[daytrader]

I was the one who brought Wasim Akram into this discussion when I mentioned him, Imad and Simon Doull had criticised Babar for being selfish.

In response, you obviously got triggered by that and decided to smear him.

We know what you think of Imad, so what have you got for us with regards to Simon Doull? Go on, tell us without any filter what you think of him as well.

This is not the first time Wasim's character has been discussed. My views on him have always been clear but maybe you missed those as your focus has always been Misbah.

As for Simon Doull, he's a foreign commentator brought in to up the PSL brand. He made the best of the opportunity and got new fans from Pakistan. Before PSL I didn't know who he was

 

[mominsaigol]

What do you mean by this?

It is Imad’s job to bowl in the PP overs. That is his speciality. That is what he is known for.

That is his super power that his fans believe in.

Imad simply bottled it. That’s it.

Still ignoring my other points? First answer them. Its as simple as that. Blame the whole team, no one asked babar to waste 5 overs to stat pad. No one asked shaheen to botch everything.

No one asked hasan Ali to drop the catch, no one asked the team to panic which babar could not handle for the 200th time.

 

[daytrader]

It’s not the first or the last time a decent/good spinner has been taken to the cleaners by a world class batsman in the powerplay. The match up was wrong, the left hander took his advantage and it paid off. That’s cricket for you.

I hope this courtesy is extended to other players that are not your favourites

 

[mominsaigol]

Cntrl F Misbah and you will see it's you and your love affair that keep bringing up that name. If that isn't an agenda then what is?

And you guys have said worse about him. I know a little bit about Wasim's family due to his Canadian connection but won't indulge in it further. I'll take back what I said but the point remains thay he's too selfish to help anyone let alone PCT eventhough he can

I don't bring misbah up man, never have unless someone mentions him,

It's not my fault that babar, rizwan, misbah, imad and sarfraz are the most talked about topics here lol.

I haven't said anything bad about misbah, me stating that misbah destroyed the team by

- Selecting imran farhat as his odi opener,
- Making umar Amin a debutant his vice captain.
- Selecting Nasir janshed and Umar akmal to keep in wc 2015 over sarfraz and when sardi came, he became man of the match 2x in a row whereas akmal and jamshed got sacked.
- Having asad shafiq as his main no 3 for years on end.
- Dropping sami aslam in 2014 who instantly outperformed shehzad and deciding to keep Ahmed shehzad
- As coach putting rizwan and Babar to open which has yielded results in tours but has butchered everything in actual tournaments
- randomly selecting azhar Ali who hadn't played an odi in 4 years as his successor and azhar proceeded to take us to no 9 rank in world cricket to the point that Zimbabwe vs Pakistan was becoming a debatable affair

Irrespective of what Misbah's intentions were, him making these decisions are all factual and what occurred. And if anyone claims he was a good captain, then I will bring this up.

With imad, I don't deny or hide behind the fact that he doesn't have bad performances, no player has consistently good performances, even kohli had a bad 2012 run against Pakistan,

But I don't single out his bad performances while being a complete hypocrite and act as if he himself alone was the cause of pakistan's failures when the whole team under babar and sarfraz was declining and the whole team was to blame minus some key players like fakhar at the time.

 

[Rana]

I hope this courtesy is extended to other players that are not your favourites

I’m never too harsh on spinners. I am on Batsman who pose as openers but are not.

On spinners, I always have a soft corner. Then again, there is no excuse to bowl half trackers and full tosses.

 

[Mamoon]

Still ignoring my other points? First answer them. Its as simple as that. Blame the whole team, no one asked babar to waste 5 overs to stat pad. No one asked shaheen to botch everything.

No one asked hasan Ali to drop the catch, no one asked the team to panic which babar could not handle for the 200th time.

Not interested in your other “points” that aim to deflect the discourse away from the fact that Imad choked badly. If you want to discuss the role of other players in that game, please do so in their respective threads.

 

[mominsaigol]

Not interested in your other “points” that aim to deflect the discourse away from the fact that Imad choked badly. If you want to discuss the role of other players in that game, please do so in their respective threads.

More so you cannot actually counter them and are ducking beyond belief.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out how much of a hypocrite you're being by singling out one thing while not talking about the actual reasons.

Imagine telling me to discuss roles in other threads meanwhile you can't keep the word babar babar babar out of your mouth and keep mentioning him and his achievements in an imad waseem thread.

 

[Mamoon]

More so you cannot actually counter them and are ducking beyond belief.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out how much of a hypocrite you're being by singling out one thing while not talking about the actual reasons.

Imagine telling me to discuss roles in other threads meanwhile you can't keep the word babar babar babar out of your mouth and keep mentioning him and his achievements in an imad waseem thread.

Don't give me such nonsense again Mr pcb chairman.

If I live rent-free in your head how is that my problem.

 

[daytrader]

I don't bring misbah up man, never have unless someone mentions him

Oh come on, now we know your 'subtle' ways. There's no hiding.

Earlier you said I say things to get a reaction out of Misbah fans or something along those lines

 

[mominsaigol]

If I live rent-free in your head how is that my problem.

Lol, no you don't, you're making an entire scene so people will comment on it.

I'm not the one commenting

" Make me pcb chairman, I will be corrupt and destroy Imad's life".

 

[mominsaigol]

Oh come on, now we know your 'subtle' ways. There's no hiding.

Earlier you said I say things to get a reaction out of Misbah fans or something along those lines

Bro, i am not advertising you anything.

I just speak my words on Misbah about what I like and don't like.

However, I'll cool the temperature and try not to get a reaction out of you, I wasn't trying to, but if you feel that way, then genuinely I'll apologise.

My opinions and words are my own and I will reply to what I disagree with and maybe make a bit of fun on certain comments, but I'm not trying to anger you personally or anything.

But I'll cool the temperature and be more civil in that regard if you feel like I'm trying to make you unfairly react to something. Wasn't my intention.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I think Saim is effectively a better all-round package compared to Imad now, specially if you want a spinner to take wickets in the powerplay.

Better batsman and has bowled quite well in this PSL.

We need a specialist spinner now to do the job. Players like Imad, Nawaz etc should be shunned for the likes of Saim and Iftikhar.

 

[mominsaigol]

I think Saim is effectively a better all-round package compared to Imad now, specially if you want a spinner to take wickets in the powerplay.

Better batsman and has bowled quite well in this PSL.

We need a specialist spinner now to do the job. Players like Imad, Nawaz etc should be shunned for the likes of Saim and Iftikhar.

We need youngsters 100% agree. New players with specialist spinners.

The main point is, if people are advocating for useless players like shadab and nawaz in the team, then imad over them any day of the week.

We need youngsters, not these buddei baba playing or these selfish stat padders either.

 

[Usman Chadda]

We need youngsters 100% agree. New players with specialist spinners.

The main point is, if people are advocating for useless players like shadab and nawaz in the team, then imad over them any day of the week.

We need youngsters, not these buddei baba playing or these selfish stat padders either.

I would take Shadab over Imad in T20 cricket, and none of the three in ODI cricket. Shadab’s innings in that do-or-die T20WC game against South Africa is something neither Imad nor Nawaz can ever do against a half-decent bowling attack.

Add to that the fact that Shadab is easily one of the best fielders in world cricket, I won’t pick Imad at all.

Saim’s bowling has pretty much shut the door on Imad’s comeback, if there were any such thoughts.

 

[Rana]

Saim’s bowling has pretty much shut the door on Imad’s comeback,

What?!

They are different types of bowlers. Saim hasn’t bowled to 99% of current International cricketers. He has around 10 T20 overs under his belt.

What’s the point of these stupid comments?

 

[mominsaigol]

I would take Shadab over Imad in T20 cricket, and none of the three in ODI cricket. Shadab’s innings in that do-or-die T20WC game against South Africa is something neither Imad nor Nawaz can ever do against a half-decent bowling attack.

Add to that the fact that Shadab is easily one of the best fielders in world cricket, I won’t pick Imad at all.

Saim’s bowling has pretty much shut the door on Imad’s comeback, if there were any such thoughts.

Shadab has literally probed he's useless with the bat and was the worst bowler in asia cup and world cup.

People need to realise going 10 years in the past is 10 years in the past, so Bury it and kill it.

People need to analyse based on recent form, that's why all these in 2021, or in 2020 arguments make no sense.

All that matters is given form atm, on current form imad has clearly done way better then shadab given shadab keeps getting dismissed for 0 against rubbish bowlers in psl, on current form inad put performed shadab the last time he played a t20 game and shadab was beyond atrocious in the asia cup and world cup.

These this guy performed 2 years ago arguments all fall flat in contrast.

I'm only replying to certain posters cause I'm having some fun shutting down arguments, but in your case since you're one of the smart ones, I'm telling you while your points may have been valid at one point their outdated now, its as simple as that.

 

[Usman Chadda]

What?!

They are different types of bowlers. Saim hasn’t bowled to 99% of current International cricketers. He has around 10 T20 overs under his belt.

What’s the point of these stupid comments?

Regardless, Saim is a much better batsman and capable of bowling in the powerplay (where he won’t be needed much anyway when you have Shaheen and Naseem).

Nawaz’s career should also see its inevitable end now.

Abrar has bowled well and if Usama replicates his form at international level, Imad is dead on fighting for a spot against Shadab.

 

[mominsaigol]

What?!

They are different types of bowlers. Saim hasn’t bowled to 99% of current International cricketers. He has around 10 T20 overs under his belt.

What’s the point of these stupid comments?

What people don't understand is that going back to 2021, and 2020 is such a ratty way of looking at things.

Based of current form imad out performed shadab the last time both played an international t20.

Based of current form imad is consistently outperforming and bullying fans and living rent free in everyone's heads.

This whole but 3 years ago, or hey remember nawaz's innings 2 years ago no longer applies given how atrocious they all were in 2023 and 2024.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Shadab has literally probed he's useless with the bat and was the worst bowler in asia cup and world cup.

People need to realise going 10 years in the past is 10 years in the past, so Bury it and kill it.

People need to analyse based on recent form, that's why all these in 2021, or in 2020 arguments make no sense.

All that matters is given form atm, on current form imad has clearly done way better then shadab given shadab keeps getting dismissed for 0 against rubbish bowlers in psl, on current form inad put performed shadab the last time he played a t20 game and shadab was beyond atrocious in the asia cup and world cup.

These this guy performed 2 years ago arguments all fall flat in contrast.

I'm only replying to certain posters cause I'm having some fun shutting down arguments, but in your case since you're one of the smart ones, I'm telling you while your points may have been valid at one point their outdated now, its as simple as that.

Shadab’s knock against South Africa was in the last T20WC, not too long ago. When did Imad last win a game for Pakistan with the bat? Four years ago if I remember correctly?

Neither Imad nor Nawaz can ever run rampant on a bowling attack of Ngidi, Norje and Rabada on Australian wickets in a do-or-die game when your team is four down for nothing. That was one of the best knocks of the entire World Cup.

 

[mominsaigol]

Shadab’s knock against South Africa was in the last T20WC, not too long ago. When did Imad last win a game for Pakistan with the bat? Four years ago if I remember correctly?

Neither Imad nor Nawaz can ever run rampant on a bowling attack of Ngidi, Norje and Rabada on Australian wickets in a do-or-die game when your team is four down for nothing. That was one of the best knocks of the entire World Cup.

The last t20 wc is still 2 years ago, it doesn't change the fact that he was so bad in 2023 and even now is atrocious with the bat.

And that is completly incorrect when you look at how both performed against NZ in t20 2023 series.

Compare and contrast both of their performances then and in this psl and you'll see who's superior on current form.

It's not like 2022 wc shadab did good and in 2023 he was decent just not as good. In 2023 he was beyond hilariously bad, even in that one game which was washed put where the fast bowlers gave India trouble, India reached 266 because our spinners allowed them to recover courtesy of how bad shadab and nawaz were.

Their literally forms during the NZ game outright stating how even when the fast bowlers pull their weight, Shadab and nawaz botch it.

Comparing imad's 65 stats is pointless if you shadab and nawaz were so bad that Joe root was their bowling competition.

 

[Rana]

Regardless, Saim is a much better batsman and capable of bowling in the powerplay (where he won’t be needed much anyway when you have Shaheen and Naseem).

Nawaz’s career should also see its inevitable end now.

Abrar has bowled well and if Usama replicates his form at international level, Imad is dead on fighting for a spot against Shadab.

Saim is a BATSMAN who bowls a bit. Like Tendulkar could give overs. Like Sehwag could give overs. They didn’t spend 50% of their practice time to practice batting and the other 50% to practice their bowling. It was 95% batting and 5% bowling.

Imad specialises in bowling dots straight away in T20’s with the new ball. He is hired specifically for this job. Saim is hired for his batting, and mainly his aggressive style opening as a left hander!

What an absurd thing to say that ‘Saim’s bowling has closed the door on Imad’s comeback’.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

So what now? Babar and Rizwan can open, and Saim can bat at 7 because he’s going to bowl 4 overs for the side?

 

[Rana]

(where he won’t be needed much anyway when you have Shaheen and Naseem

@topspin

I specifically mentioned the whole Saya Corps agenda to remove Imad, otherwise Shaheen can’t really bowl the first over if Imad is supposed to operate the best way it is suited to him. Now Naseem has been added in the mix by the Misbah/Saya fans.

Anyone but Imad according to them.

 

[mominsaigol]

@topspin

I specifically mentioned the whole Saya Corps agenda to remove Imad, otherwise Shaheen can’t really bowl the first over if Imad is supposed to operate the best way it is suited to him. Now Naseem has been added in the mix by the Misbah/Saya fans.

Anyone but Imad according to them.

Saya corps is probably the worst thing to happen to Pakistan cricket in recent years tbh.

 

[moghul]

Imad is retired in case you are not aware.

Wake up and look at the heading of this thread.

 

[daytrader]

Bro, i am not advertising you anything.

I just speak my words on Misbah about what I like and don't like.

However, I'll cool the temperature and try not to get a reaction out of you, I wasn't trying to, but if you feel that way, then genuinely I'll apologise.

My opinions and words are my own and I will reply to what I disagree with and maybe make a bit of fun on certain comments, but I'm not trying to anger you personally or anything.

But I'll cool the temperature and be more civil in that regard if you feel like I'm trying to make you unfairly react to something. Wasn't my intention.

It's all good, no hard feelings. A little bit of banter doesn't hurt anyone. I'm sorry if I was too hard on you. Roza lag raha tha You're doing a great job driving conversations forward

 

[mominsaigol]

It's all good, no hard feelings. A little bit of banter doesn't hurt anyone. I'm sorry if I was too hard on you. Roza lag raha tha You're doing a great job driving conversations forward

Thanks, but I'll be more mindful, and I do apologise for the "babar can hit 6 4's" that part was immature of me to do.

 

[topspin]

@topspin

I specifically mentioned the whole Saya Corps agenda to remove Imad, otherwise Shaheen can’t really bowl the first over if Imad is supposed to operate the best way it is suited to him. Now Naseem has been added in the mix by the Misbah/Saya fans.

Anyone but Imad according to them.

The same @Usman Chadda who used to overhype Faheem Ashraf and claim that he's superior to Pandya. He's simply a fish out of water when it comes to his assessments of all-rounders.

 

[PakEngFan]

Wake up and look at the heading of this thread.

I am awake that's why I said he's retired. Maybe you should wake up from your dream where he has taken a u turn regarding his retirement.

 

[mominsaigol]

The same @Usman Chadda who used to overhype Faheem Ashraf and claim that he's superior to Pandya. He's simply a fish out of water when it comes to his assessments of all-rounders.

Faheem ashraf is better then pandya, name wise, I'd rather have my parents last name be ashraf then pandya.

Oh wait, we were talking player wise. No then faheem is obviously better then pandya in his dreams.

 

[topspin]

Thank you for admitting he's an average player. Exactly my point. It's a myth he's mentally strong. We are yet to see it. Just because he won a few games don't make you mentally strong. He went missing on quite a number of occasions on international level and the only game he actually finished was against Afghanistan.

When I say “average”, I’m also being humble because unlike you I don’t overhype every other Pakistani all-rounder, like the way you used to do with Nawaz. But the main lesson for you here is, learn not to take everything literally.

In Pakistan cricket, name me 3 x players who are mentally tougher than Imad Wasim? To give you a head start, neither Babar nor Rizwan are better than him in this regard.

I’m also still waiting for a full response to my list of his accomplishments. Getting scared are we?

You assume wrong, I’m not basing my assessment of his mental attributes merely on a handful of games.

If you revisit what he’s achieved in his career, you’ll see that he’s punched above his weight. Any player who can do that has to have a remarkable mental fortitude in themselves.

Imad has been praised by many commentators for keeping a cool head under pressure.

Imad has played 1 t20 WC where he was comfortably out played by shadab. It's not even close.

They also played 1 50wc where again shadab comfortably outplayed him. Imad averaged nearly 100 with the ball!!

Shadab is rubbish too don't get me wrong and doesn't deserve a spot in the odi team like Imad but for t20 he's better than Imad. In 2 t20 wc's hes played he's been one of our best performers in both of them. The problem is you watch the games where Imad performs and completely ignore the fact that he was one of the worst players in this PSL before the last couple of games.

Shadab has far more runs than him and more wickets though Imad has better economy. You are just basing it on the last couple of games.

If we are to compare the two as T20 cricketers, you cannot draw conclusions just from one tournament. After looking at the stats, you can’t really distinguish between the two.

But more importantly, Imad was sidelined by Babar in the last few years. All because he didn’t want anything to do with his lame clique. Imad was in the form of his life with the bat during last year’s PSL. His batting and calmness was sorely missed during the 2023 WC. In this tournament, Babar got what he deserved after the way he treated him.

This is evident by his batting performances against the top sides and his economy rate. But for someone who has vouched for Nawaz over Imad in the post, according to multiple posters, your judgment clearly cannot be trusted.

As white ball cricketers overall, Imad is significantly superior to Shadab. A number of Indian posters pointed this out after the second eliminator. The reason why I would take heed to what they say if I was you is because they’re more impartial compared to us Pakistanis on this matter.

Let the outcome of ISLU’s last 3 x matches be a lesson, to give up on your bashing of Imad and let this toxic agenda of yours slide. Maybe when you stops, you’ll finally be off the restricted list as well.

 

[topspin]

Saim’s bowling has pretty much shut the door on Imad’s comeback, if there were any such thoughts.

If you watched the second eliminator, there’s no way you would’ve said this. Saim’s 3rd over proves why he’s not ready to be bowling in T20Is.

Seriously dumb post but this is to be expected from someone who once rated Faheem Ashraf > Hardik Pandya.

So tell me are you just a bit slow when it comes to all-rounders or is that cricket in general?

 

[mominsaigol]

If you watched the second eliminator, there’s no way you would’ve said this. Saim’s 3rd over proves why he’s not ready to be bowling in T20Is.

Seriously dumb post but this is to be expected from someone who once rated Faheem Ashraf > Hardik Pandya.

So tell me are you just a bit slow when it comes to all-rounders or is that cricket in general?

Saim and imad aren't even comparable?

This is like comparing kohli to pandya? And saying yes kohli has shown he cam bowl in the past so we don't need pandya anymore, or any allrounder for that matter.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

An over the hill retired Guptill took Saim for 24 off one over to end thoughts that Saim could be a potential all-rounder.

What do you think a motivated, serving big hitting batsmen like Allen is going to do when Saim comes to bowl ?

2 overs for 50?

And end of a spinning career?

Lets not pretend that Saim and Imad are on a similar level or ever were.

You want to bash Imad by making Mr. Too Goody Babar look better, fine.

But when an occasional tommy part timer is coming into the equation to try and humiliate Imad, you know the mafia is back in town to denigrate the existence of Imad.

It is clear as daylight now that Pakistan is suffering from severe groupism and politics and Imad is caught up in the backlash and the fans are victims of similar crossfire.


Saim and Imad.

Good God.

What else now?

Saud and Imad?

Try to at least pretend this is a fair discussion.

 

[mominsaigol]

An over the hill retired Guptill took Saim for 24 off one over to end thoughts that Saim could be a potential all-rounder.

What do you think a motivated, serving big hitting batsmen like Allen is going to do when Saim comes to bowl ?

2 overs for 50?

And end of a spinning career?

Lets not pretend that Saim and Imad are on a similar level or ever were.

You want to bash Imad by making Mr. Too Goody Babar look better, fine.

But when an occasional tommy part timer is coming into the equation to try and humiliate Imad, you know the mafia is back in town to denigrate the existence of Imad.

It is clear as daylight now that Pakistan is suffering from severe groupism and politics and Imad is caught up in the backlash and the fans are victims of similar crossfire.


Saim and Imad.

Good God.

What else now?

Saud and Imad?

Try to at least pretend this is a fair discussion.

People are pretending as if saim dismissing shadab is the greatest feat of any allrounder in the history of cricket.

 

[MHN1293]

What people don't understand is that going back to 2021, and 2020 is such a ratty way of looking at things.

Based of current form imad out performed shadab the last time both played an international t20.

Based of current form imad is consistently outperforming and bullying fans and living rent free in everyone's heads.

This whole but 3 years ago, or hey remember nawaz's innings 2 years ago no longer applies given how atrocious they all were in 2023 and 2024.

We go back to 2021 to explain why imad was booted out from the team because you imad fans run the false agenda that imad was unfairly dropped for nawaz which is simply untrue

 

[mominsaigol]

We go back to 2021 to explain why imad was booted out from the team because you imad fans run the false agenda that imad was unfairly dropped for nawaz which is simply untrue

Firstly, don't classify me into a category, since I never claimed that.

Secondly no, you go back to 2021 to showcase hypocrisy, why was babar dropped for his 39 of 34? If imad was booted out for giving 17 in an hour? Why wasn't shaheen booted out for his performance? Why was only hasan Ali and inad booted out? When the afromentioned 2 performed far worse then he did that day?

Secondly nawaz even then hadn't done a damn thing to warrant a replacement. It would make sense had nawaz performed, nawaz had been given chances way before 2021 yet never did a damn thing?

Nawaz didn't perform for AN ENTIRE YEAR until 2022 where he scored a once in a blue moon 42, which does not surpass imad's performance against Afghanistan or his performance throughout 2023 being consistently superior to nawaz despite nawaz getting Infinite more chances.

If imad needed a sack then fair enough, but why wasn't his replacement better? This is the same scenario where shan masood replaced imam, Imam is terrible but what has shan done to replace him?

Imad has consistently been superior to nawaz for the past 1.5 years, was consistently superior from 2019 till 2021, etc etc, a bad performing imad has consistently been superior to nawaz minus that one 42 performance that fans desperately cling on to.

Bcci replaces players even performing ones for much better players, which is why sanju Sampson didn't get selected in the world cup.

Only on Pakistan you have players being replaced for even worse players who amount to nothing.

Now that I've settled your excuses, stick to recent times please, 2023-2024. Its ironic how people state nawaz's 42 when nawaz is also the one who caused India to win the game by throwing a no ball, and then a wide. What a bowler every body, or how about in 2023 where nawaz messed up again against South Africa?

I can name Infinite more matches since nawaz's debut where he failed miserably then imad since his debut deapite the latter debuting earlier.

All it would take is a simple screenshot from cricinfo.

 

[MHN1293]

Firstly, don't classify me into a category, since I never claimed that.

Mb you might havent but generally imad fans do.

Secondly no, you go back to 2021 to showcase hypocrisy, why was babar dropped for his 39 of 34? If imad was booted out for giving 17 in an hour? Why wasn't shaheen booted out for his performance? Why was only hasan Ali and inad booted out? When the afromentioned 2 performed far worse then he did that day?

Babar : tournament top run scorer, 4 fifties
Cruicial 50s against india and afg
flopped against aus and nz

Shaheen : won us our first ever wc match against india. 7 wickets in 6 matches
India = 3-31(4)
Newzealand = 1-21(4)
Austrailia = 1-35(4)
Afghanistan = 1-22(4)
6-109(16) economy = 6.8 avg = 18.2

Imad : 4 wickets in 6 matches
India = 0-10(2)
Newzealand = 1-24(4)
Austrailia = 0-25(3)
Afghanistan = 2-25(3)
3-84(13) economy 6.5 avg = 28
in spin friendly conditions imad was outperformed by almost every spinner in the tournament and didnt give much value with the bat either.
He also had a poor 2021 and 2020 as a whole avging more than 32 and eco of 7.5 with 0 value with the bat

Hasan ali : i dont need to say anything. he was consistently our worst bowler in every wc match

Secondly nawaz even then hadn't done a damn thing to warrant a replacement. It would make sense had nawaz performed, nawaz had been given chances way before 2021 yet never did a damn thing?

Nawaz didn't perform for AN ENTIRE YEAR until 2022 where he scored a once in a blue moon 42, which does not surpass imad's performance against Afghanistan or his performance throughout 2023 being consistently superior to nawaz despite nawaz getting Infinite more chances.

If imad needed a sack then fair enough, but why wasn't his replacement better? This is the same scenario where shan masood replaced imam, Imam is terrible but what has shan done to replace him?

my understanding is that nawaz was brought back into the team due to his domestic performances as his psl form wasnt that great. he was given a long run considering imads own lack of form and perhaps Nawazes good odi contributions was also a factor. However in the end he did not provide much of an improvement or make much of a difference compared to imad other than that innings vs india and the one in the tri series. Maybe it was babars and managements obsession with filling the team with allrounders whereas other teams have proper wicket taking spinners.

Imad then has a brilliant psl 2023 and he was immediatly drafted back into the team. he then had a good first series against nz or afg cant remember so his spot in the team was certain for upcomming t20 tours and potentially the wc considering nawaz and shadabs form had also hit rock bottom. Unfortunately he retired for whatever reason. personally even if he takes back his retirement i would not want him back in the team or nawaz. shadab as the lone spin allrounder is good enough. we should really invest in proper spinners.

 

[mominsaigol]

Mb you might havent but generally imad fans do.


Babar : tournament top run scorer, 4 fifties
Cruicial 50s against india and afg
flopped against aus and nz

Shaheen : won us our first ever wc match against india. 7 wickets in 6 matches
India = 3-31(4)
Newzealand = 1-21(4)
Austrailia = 1-35(4)
Afghanistan = 1-22(4)
6-109(16) economy = 6.8 avg = 18.2

Imad : 4 wickets in 6 matches
India = 0-10(2)
Newzealand = 1-24(4)
Austrailia = 0-25(3)
Afghanistan = 2-25(3)
3-84(13) economy 6.5 avg = 28
in spin friendly conditions imad was outperformed by almost every spinner in the tournament and didnt give much value with the bat either.
He also had a poor 2021 and 2020 as a whole avging more than 32 and eco of 7.5 with 0 value with the bat

Hasan ali : i dont need to say anything. he was consistently our worst bowler in every wc match


my understanding is that nawaz was brought back into the team due to his domestic performances as his psl form wasnt that great. he was given a long run considering imads own lack of form and perhaps Nawazes good odi contributions was also a factor. However in the end he did not provide much of an improvement or make much of a difference compared to imad other than that innings vs india and the one in the tri series. Maybe it was babars and managements obsession with filling the team with allrounders whereas other teams have proper wicket taking spinners.

Imad then has a brilliant psl 2023 and he was immediatly drafted back into the team. he then had a good first series against nz or afg cant remember so his spot in the team was certain for upcomming t20 tours and potentially the wc considering nawaz and shadabs form had also hit rock bottom. Unfortunately he retired for whatever reason. personally even if he takes back his retirement i would not want him back in the team or nawaz. shadab as the lone spin allrounder is good enough. we should really invest in proper spinners.

I agree with what you've written actually. Great post and good job.

Edit: BTW I am not an imad fan, my old posts clearly state i don't want imad back. The reason I defended him was when someone claims he was rightfully dropped but them claims nawaz is superior or that nawaz 42 is better then what imad did, then I rightfully counter and put people in their place.

Imad > Nawaz anyday but I agree we need to move on, however I can't think of a better no 7, which is why imad is still on my fans 11, we need to invest in a proper up and coming allrounder.

 

[Mamoon]

Imad is the worst spinner in ODI cricket history. Saim can easily bowl as badly as Imad does.

 

[PakEngFan]

When I say “average”, I’m also being humble because unlike you I don’t overhype every other Pakistani all-rounder, like the way you used to do with Nawaz. But the main lesson for you here is, learn not to take everything literally.

In Pakistan cricket, name me 3 x players who are mentally tougher than Imad Wasim? To give you a head start, neither Babar nor Rizwan are better than him in this regard.

I’m also still waiting for a full response to my list of his accomplishments. Getting scared are we?

You assume wrong, I’m not basing my assessment of his mental attributes merely on a handful of games.

If you revisit what he’s achieved in his career, you’ll see that he’s punched above his weight. Any player who can do that has to have a remarkable mental fortitude in themselves.

Imad has been praised by many commentators for keeping a cool head under pressure.



If we are to compare the two as T20 cricketers, you cannot draw conclusions just from one tournament. After looking at the stats, you can’t really distinguish between the two.

But more importantly, Imad was sidelined by Babar in the last few years. All because he didn’t want anything to do with his lame clique. Imad was in the form of his life with the bat during last year’s PSL. His batting and calmness was sorely missed during the 2023 WC. In this tournament, Babar got what he deserved after the way he treated him.

This is evident by his batting performances against the top sides and his economy rate. But for someone who has vouched for Nawaz over Imad in the post, according to multiple posters, your judgment clearly cannot be trusted.

As white ball cricketers overall, Imad is significantly superior to Shadab. A number of Indian posters pointed this out after the second eliminator. The reason why I would take heed to what they say if I was you is because they’re more impartial compared to us Pakistanis on this matter.

Let the outcome of ISLU’s last 3 x matches be a lesson, to give up on your bashing of Imad and let this toxic agenda of yours slide. Maybe when you stops, you’ll finally be off the restricted list as well.

When did I overhype nawaz? Seems like all Imad fans have to lie in order to make a point.

Now coming to mentally strong. Can you tell me where this myth comes from in first place? I have given you example of this mentally strong beast being outperformed by a rubbish player like shadab is 3 ICC tournaments where they have played together. Yes shadab.

This mentally beast player is so strong that as soon as he was dropped he started crying like a child.

Imad after having an excellent Psl was rewarded to play for Pakistan against Afghanistan and scored the worst 50 of all time in t20s. This mentally beast player Sr wasn't even 100 in the 3 games he played. Babar dropped this toxic rubbish because he was garbage for a while.


If Imad is so much better than shadab. Why couldn't he outperform him in 3 ICC tournaments?

 

[PakEngFan]

On top of this:

• Averaged 40+ in ODIs with the bat
• Averaged 40+ with the bat against some of the very best ODI sides including Australia, South Africa, England and India, with strikes rates in excess of 100 against all these opposition
• He has the 14th highest strike rate with the bat in the history of ODI cricket
• As a batsman, he averaged above 40 in FC cricket
• His innings against Afghanistan during the 2019 World Cup was one of the very best by a Pakistani in an ODI World Cup. An innings that Babar could only dream of playing. Pakistan went on to lose against Afghanistan in the following edition of the tournament because they missed his resilience
• In the 2016 England v Pakistan ODI series, he was Pakistan’s third highest run scorer with 153 runs from 4 games despite batting at 7/8. He wasn’t even dismissed once in that series. To put this performance into perspective, Babar Azam played in all 5 x ODIs but could only manage 122 runs
• Economy rate of under 5 with the ball in ODIs
• Economy rate of near run a ball (6.26) in T20Is

Imad might well be washed up but anyone with just a shred of credibility, who has knowledge of these accomplishments, would never dare to disrespect Imad. It’s mostly Misbah/Babar/Rizwan fans and other ignoramuses who are in this camp because either they don’t understand cricket and/or have an agenda against him because he didn’t want anything to do with Babar’s clique, which upset Misbah and RizBar fans. But they will not silence us. They will be dealt with in truth bombs.

Imad did the right thing to distance himself from Babar’s clique because we all witnessed the inevitable during the 2023 ODI World Cup, when it all backfired and blew back in the faces of the clique and their fans.

He’s criminally underrated and is perhaps the most underrated white ball Pakistani cricketer of all time.

This first 2 are boosted due to not outs. I can't ever remember him finishing a game against these sides.
Great sr I will give him that.
Don't care about his FC recorded because he clearly wasn't good enough to play tests.
His innings against Afghanistan is the only performance in his would career which is worth praising. Babar 100 against New Zealand is miles better than all of Imad's career combined.
Great economy and even better average of 60+
Excellent economy in t20 but failed to deliver when it mattered. He has got great economy because of UAE, PAKISTAN, ZIMBABWE and WEST INDIES. Have to give him credit for his economy is SA.
In other proper countries his economy is 9.2 in Australia.
7.90 in England.
7.7 in New Zealand

He's played most of his matches in Pakistan and UAE hence the reason for his economy. I am not even talking about the b or c sides which hater of Babar and rizwan like you bring regarding their performances.

 

[Rana]

Imad is the worst spinner in ODI cricket history. Saim can easily bowl as badly as Imad does.

Mamoon bhai, chill bro. Don’t worry, hopefully Imad bottles it today and IU don’t win at the back of his performance

 

[FearlessRoar]

4 . W . 6 W

Imad Wasim removes Yasir Khan and David Willey in one over in PSL 9 final.

 

[FearlessRoar]

4 . W . 6 W

Imad Wasim removes Yasir Khan and David Willey in one over in PSL 9 final.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1769761426518790640

 

[Asad T]

Bro better take back his retirment

 

[topspin]

Bro better take back his retirment

I have no doubt that PCB, Shaheen and management will be going out of their way to demand for him to rescind his retirement.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

I have no doubt that PCB, Shaheen and management will be going out of their way to demand for him to rescind his retirement.

He should be picked for WC... on slow wickets he would be so handy.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

I agree with what you have said here regarding England’s tactics and approach.

I am simply objecting @Rana’s assessment that England picked players based on the principle that they could win games on their day, in other words, they sacrificed consistency for impact.

However, that is not the case - England opted to play a certain brand of cricket, and they picked the best players that could implement that brand of cricket and these players were extremely consistent and what they did.

Fair enough.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Saim is a BATSMAN who bowls a bit. Like Tendulkar could give overs. Like Sehwag could give overs. They didn’t spend 50% of their practice time to practice batting and the other 50% to practice their bowling. It was 95% batting and 5% bowling.

Imad specialises in bowling dots straight away in T20’s with the new ball. He is hired specifically for this job. Saim is hired for his batting, and mainly his aggressive style opening as a left hander!

What an absurd thing to say that ‘Saim’s bowling has closed the door on Imad’s comeback’.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

So what now? Babar and Rizwan can open, and Saim can bat at 7 because he’s going to bowl 4 overs for the side?

What a dumb post.

Imad’s utility is limited to powerplay overs and even then he gets exposed horribly at international level. Imad does nothing beyond the powerplay, he might even be worse than Shadab and Nawaz in the middle overs if someone can bring up stats.

Saim is more than decent enough to replace Imad for a few overs in the powerplay if need be. With Shaheen and Naseem opening the bowling, someone as limited as Imad is not needed.

Not sure what to say about this rant of ‘practice this, practice that’

I don’t understand the clamoring for such a mediocre cricketer. Imad has barely performed for Pakistan at international level, and this trioka of Imad, Shadab and Nawaz is the reason why many specialist spinners were ignored over the years.

We can only afford one of them, and Shadab as an all-round package is a better option.

This kind of fanatic following should be reserved for someone who has actually won matches for Pakistan. On one hand you hate Babar and Rizwan, and on the other hand you celebrate someone as mediocre as Imad Wasim.

 

[Rana]

What a dumb post.

Na I think you won that accolade earlier

 

[daytrader]

Wow an Imad Wasim 5fer in the final!

@Rana @topspin aap logon ki dua kabool ho gayi

 

[Rana]

Wow an Imad Wasim 5fer in the final!

@Rana @topspin aap logon ki dua kabool ho gayi

Are you unhappy?

 

[topspin]

Wow an Imad Wasim 5fer in the final!

@Rana @topspin aap logon ki dua kabool ho gayi

How do you feel though?

 

[topspin]

The only thing Imad haters can cling on to is "Imad smoked during the game. Ban him from Pakistan cricket"

I can imagine @Major coming up with a gem of a thread about this.

 

[happydavy]

I thot Imad caught smoking in the dressing room was deliberate. He saw in on the tv inside that camera was on him, yet he continued smoking.

 

[daytrader]

Are you unhappy?

Not at all. Will be happier once United win

 

[PakEngFan]

I thot Imad caught smoking in the dressing room was deliberate. He saw in on the tv inside that camera was on him, yet he continued smoking.

He needs to build an imagine of being a tough boy for his fans only to start crying again when dropped.

 

[daytrader]

How do you feel though?

I'm happy for him. Ever since he left Amir he's been on the track upwards. He's always been a fighter and we need that spirit in the national team

 

[daytrader]

I thot Imad caught smoking in the dressing room was deliberate. He saw in on the tv inside that camera was on him, yet he continued smoking.

Did he really smoke? Impressing me more and more

Probably Rana Faheem was with him

 

[topspin]

I'm happy for him. Ever since he left Amir he's been on the track upwards. He's always been a fighter and we need that spirit in the national team

Well said. Pakistan needs him back for the upcoming WT20.

 

[RidiculousMan]

What precedence is he setting in the dressing room during a game for youngsters?

 

[topspin]

He needs to build an imagine of being a tough boy for his fans only to start crying again when dropped.

Here we go again. Back to Imad bashing as you've been doing on a daily basis during each PSL.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

What a spell by Imad Wasim, he became a first player to achieve a fifer in the history of PSL Finals

https://twitter.com/x/status/1769779259516534814