Has Rishabh Pant exposed the mediocrity of MS Dhoni?

[Mamoon]

In just over 3 years, Pant has played Test knocks that can be categorized as bigger than Dhoni’s entire Test career. Knocks that Dhoni couldn’t play in his dreams.

In just 36 Tests, Pant has poured cold water over Dhoni’s 90 matches Test career and played better knocks than him.

This adds credence to the argument that Dhoni was a bang average cricketer who was nothing but PR hype. The laughable fictional biopic that was full of lies says a lot about the man and how he functions.

The tragedy is that most Indian fans would never give Pant more respect and recognition than Dhoni even though he is by far the better cricketer.

Rishabh Pant is the best Indian cricketer of his generation and the second best Test WK of all time and he still has plenty of time on his side to surpass Gilchrist.

What an outstanding player and one of the few current Indian players who is genuinely exceptional and not overhyped who success is fueled by BCCI’s protectionism.

Players like Pant are once in a lifetime material.

 

[gani999]

I agree. Dhoni was hyped. He was good as a batsman when he started but became quite mediocre later on. And he was one of the most defensive captains ever, particularly in tests.

 

[RexRex]

In just over 3 years, Pant has played Test knocks that can be categorized as bigger than Dhoni’s entire Test career. Knocks that Dhoni couldn’t play in his dreams.

In just 36 Tests, Pant has poured cold water over Dhoni’s 90 matches Test career and played better knocks than him.

This adds credence to the argument that Dhoni was a bang average cricketer who was nothing but PR hype. The laughable fictional biopic that was full of lies says a lot about the man and how he functions.

The tragedy is that most Indian fans would never give Pant more respect and recognition than Dhoni even though he is by far the better cricketer.

Rishabh Pant is the best Indian cricketer of his generation and the second best Test WK of all time and he still has plenty of time on his side to surpass Gilchrist.

What an outstanding player and one of the few current Indian players who is genuinely exceptional and not overhyped who success is fueled by BCCI’s protectionism.

Players like Pant are once in a lifetime material.

You're just upset that Dhoni knocked Pakistan out of the 2019 World Cup.

 

[Aham Brahmasmi]

Dhoni was a great ODI captain and was a good batsman in ODi only in his prime. He never was a test level player.
Pant has eclipsed Dhoni the test player with 89* at Gabba itself.

 

[Rajdeep]

Dhoni was a great ODI captain and was a good batsman in ODi only in his prime. He never was a test level player.
Pant has eclipsed Dhoni the test player with 89* at Gabba itself.

Actually that is not true. Dhoni was also a very good test batsman but its just that he was not interested in that format. He was techically our best batsman when we toured England in 2014 on those swinging conditions. He was a horrible test captain though with his leg slips field placing but that was more due to his lack of interest in red ball cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

You're just upset that Dhoni knocked Pakistan out of the 2019 World Cup.

All I remember is Dhoni knocking India out in the senifinal by leaves balls outside the off stump when India needed 12+ an over.

 

[RyanRyan10]

In just over 3 years, Pant has played Test knocks that can be categorized as bigger than Dhoni’s entire Test career. Knocks that Dhoni couldn’t play in his dreams.

In just 36 Tests, Pant has poured cold water over Dhoni’s 90 matches Test career and played better knocks than him.

This adds credence to the argument that Dhoni was a bang average cricketer who was nothing but PR hype. The laughable fictional biopic that was full of lies says a lot about the man and how he functions.

The tragedy is that most Indian fans would never give Pant more respect and recognition than Dhoni even though he is by far the better cricketer.

Rishabh Pant is the best Indian cricketer of his generation and the second best Test WK of all time and he still has plenty of time on his side to surpass Gilchrist.

What an outstanding player and one of the few current Indian players who is genuinely exceptional and not overhyped who success is fueled by BCCI’s protectionism.

Players like Pant are once in a lifetime material.

If Indian fans start giving him more respect than Dhoni then you will start bashing him too

 

[ravisurya]

Every knowledgeable Indian cricket fan agrees Dhoni was hyped because of his PR, no cricketer in history had a PR like Dhoni. He milked the 2011 world cup win to no end and still does, he took the credit for the win inspire of playing just one good knock in the whole world cup. The whole social media would be filled with clips of this particular knock everytime he failed on the field and let's not forget he cost India the world cup in 2019 .

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pant only inferior to Rizwan and Rohail Nazir aming modern keeper bats. Umar Akmal in the past was also more talented

 

[RidiculousMan]

Dhoni was never great in Test Cricket. He made a name for himself in limited over Cricket. Particularly in the ODI format. Where he was great as a captain too

 

[DTrump]

Absolutely. No ifs and buts about it.
Dhoni also damn nearly killed Indian Test cricket between 2011-14. India's batting has been in decline for the better part of 5 years now. Pant has been bailing them time and again.

Dhoni had an ATG top 6 during his playing days but failed to make any impact. Was an upgrade on the likes of Parthiv, Karim, Deep das but he not world class by any means. A bang average keeper too.

Dhoni fans booed Rishabh Pant when he missed a stumping. Entire stadium was chanting Dhoni, Dhoni after the miss. One of the most shameful things i have ever seen a crowd do. They can suck on it now.

Will push back a little on him being the best Indian cricketer of his generation. That would be Bumrah. Pant can make a play for it if he maintains himself for 4-5 years and cracks the white ball game but for now, it's JB. Could argue they are not the same generation (1993 vs 1997) but Pant is not really 1997 born

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Tendulkar myth has been shattered after his retirement.

Dhoni myth has been shattered after his retirement.

The lesson is when it comes to Indians try to drown out the noise of the 1 billion + maniacs and analyse a player objectively.

 

[Technics 1210]

Dhoni was a BCCI patsy.

He got lucky in his career, because if it wasn't for the rise and muscle of the BCCI (which underpinned and coincided with his career), he'd be a bang average cricketer.

 

[FearlessRoar]

He struggles with the nervous 90s

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He struggles with the nervous 90s

He is too relaxed in the 90s. Tries to go for the money shot.

 

[Kianig89]

Dhoni was a talismanic figure in Indian cricket, more than captain infact the captain with Midas touch armchair critics cannot belittle him. Dhoni gave Team India authority in international cricket.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Dhoni was a captain, he was not a batsmen of Pant's calibur.

Dhoni the bat is not good enough to hold Pants shoe lace but as a complete player, keeper, captain and batsmen he is ahead of Pant...

 

[volcyz]

Dhoni is one of the greatest PR machine ever

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pant is better in tests. Dhoni in ODIs.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Tendulkar myth has been shattered after his retirement.

Shatteted by who Pakistanis ?

Yeah sorry bruh.

Rest of the world don't agree with you, unfortunately..

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Shatteted by who Pakistanis ?

Yeah sorry bruh.

Rest of the world don't agree with you, unfortunately..

Lara is rated higher by those that bowled to him and by the rest of the world.

 

[anikrc1]

Lara is rated higher by those that bowled to him and by the rest of the world.

Lara vs Tendulkar is pretty much 50 50 by the bowlers who bowled to them.

 

[Rana]

I think he’s exposed the mediocrity of fans who rate Rizwan as an ATG

 

[Mamoon]

No bang average cricketer has been as celebrated & glorified as Dhoni. Afridi is a close second.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Lara is rated higher by those that bowled to him and by the rest of the world.

Warne rated SRT as the best bat,

Donald said SRT technique was amazing but lara was a genius, I would say this as tie or SRT slightly ahead as Lara has zero 100s against Donald.

McGrath rated SRT the best bat till SRT had the tennis elbow and rightly rated Lara higher after SRTs tennis elbow as his performance dipped.

Pre tennis elbow all bowlers rated SRT ahead of Lara it was not even close....

Now what exactly myth have you shattered again ? Please do give a detailed insight...

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Lara vs Tendulkar is pretty much 50 50 by the bowlers who bowled to them.

Wasim, Mcgrath, Kallis, Murali and Warne rate Lara higher.

Not sure anyone else matters.

The point is when the noise machine settles around Indian players then the true discussion takes place.

Because of the drama around Dhoni I thought he was better than he was. Only now when some of the emotions from the Pro Dhoni side is gone it becomes obvious that he wasn't all that.

 

[anikrc1]

Wasim, Mcgrath, Kallis, Murali and Warne rate Lara higher.

Not sure anyone else matters.

The point is when the noise machine settles around Indian players then the true discussion takes place.

Because of the drama around Dhoni I thought he was better than he was. Only now when some of the emotions from the Pro Dhoni side is gone it becomes obvious that he wasn't all that.

Warne, Donald, lee, steyn rates Sachin higher

 

[Romali_rotti]

Wasim, Mcgrath, Kallis, Murali and Warne rate Lara higher.

Not sure anyone else matters.

The point is when the noise machine settles around Indian players then the true discussion takes place.

Because of the drama around Dhoni I thought he was better than he was. Only now when some of the emotions from the Pro Dhoni side is gone it becomes obvious that he wasn't all that.

Kallis ????? He is not a atg bowler...


Lol did you mean some other bowler ????

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Dhoni has won more iCC trophies than any Pakistani cricketer.

The best ODI finisher ever, his away record in Odis is better than Pakistans best batter ever Saeed Anwar so no, not buying into this idiotic excuse in Odis.

He is a GOAT contender in Odis and also wicketkeeper batsman for all time odi team, in t20s he was bang average, in tests he was good not great but still better than any Pakistani wicketkeeper batsman ever.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Kallis ????? He is not a atg bowler...


Lol did you mean some other bowler ????

He is an ATG of the game.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Warne, Donald, lee, steyn rates Sachin higher

Lara himself said that he wanted his kid to bat like Sachin.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It's like the discussion about Waqar. Blinded by the nostalgia and the visual wow factor of his reverse swing , fans go gaga about his ATG status. When in reality, take out his minnow bashing and he was clearly not ATG.

Lillee too. You can be an ATG fast bowler without anything to show in Asia

 

[Romali_rotti]

He is an ATG of the game.

Dude just stop..

You are now desperate,, you very well know a part time or a non new bowler like Kallis shouldn't even be mentioned here.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Warne, Donald, lee, steyn rates Sachin higher

Did Lara face Steyn?

Genuine question btw

 

[anikrc1]

Did Lara face Steyn?

Genuine question btw

Not sure.

 

[anikrc1]

Lara himself said that he wanted his kid to bat like Sachin.

That's professional courtesy.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

That's professional courtesy.

Professional courtesy only for Sachin, why not Ponting?

Btw Bradman also said Sachin reminded him of himself, he didn’t say that for anyone else.

Sachin is easily the beat batsman after Bradman in terms of both quality and quantity.

 

[Technics 1210]

There is no need to bring Lara and Tendulkar in the same sentence.

Lara broke the top test score record, twice, and topped it by achieving the highest test runs record.

Lara then announced his retirement, and Tendulkar, along with his Tennis elbow injury (who was considering retirement at the time) performed a u-turn, then started chasing Lara's records.

Tendulkar could't score above 250 in his test career, and in the end BCCI set Tendulkar up with a WI series at home, along with an orchestrated WC in 2011, led by BCCI's front man, Dhoni.

 

[Mamoon]

Dhoni has won more iCC trophies than any Pakistani cricketer.

The best ODI finisher ever, his away record in Odis is better than Pakistans best batter ever Saeed Anwar so no, not buying into this idiotic excuse in Odis.

He is a GOAT contender in Odis and also wicketkeeper batsman for all time odi team, in t20s he was bang average, in tests he was good not great but still better than any Pakistani wicketkeeper batsman ever.

Pipe down.

QDK, Buttler, Sangakkara and AB (when he kept) are all better WK batsmen than Dhoni.

Even Rizwan is better in 2 out of 3 formats.

 

[Aami]

Noone comes close to Dhoni.

 

[anikrc1]

On the topic Dhoni was great in odis and in contention for the best wicket keeper bat along with Gilchrist, QDK, Butler etc. He was test class as both a keeper and a batsman in tests, but no where near Gilchrist. He was of the same standard as prior or QDK. Pant is special in tests, but so far have flatteted to deceive in white ball.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Pipe down.

QDK, Buttler, Sangakkara and AB (when he kept) are all better WK batsmen than Dhoni.

Even Rizwan is better in 2 out of 3 formats.

They are not better in Odis, show some facts or stats to prove that. Use your 140 iq for once

Btw, didn’t you say he is the one who carried on the revolution that Gilchrist started?

 

[mominsaigol]

They are not better in Odis, show some facts or stats to prove that. Use your 140 iq for once

Btw, didn’t you say he is the one who carried on the revolution that Gilchrist started?

Dhoni carried on the revolution that Gilchrist started??

 

[Buffet]

Now there will be thread how Gilly exposed so and so, lol.

Or how McGrath exposed so and so.

Pant may end up overtaking Gilly so no one is getting exposed by Pant.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Dhoni carried on the revolution that Gilchrist started?

Before Gilchrist wicketkeepers generally were specialists who were never there to consistently perform with the bat.

When Dhoni came, he became ICC number one bat after 40 odd Odi matches, averaged around 50 at 90 str rate , played a clutch knock in final, helped us win a test series in England after 20+ years, captained us to three icc trophies, helped us win CB series beating the world champion Australia ina trie series.
Finished I don’t know how many matches and was known for his heavy six hitting ability.

Dhoni scored 220 + against Aus in a single innings, if he played for Pakistan you wouldn’t have lost the first match vs England, he was immensely good in home conditions with the bat.

As for his away Odi performances, they are better than Pakistans best batsman ever Saeed Anwar.


Btw didn’t you put ne on ignore list, what happened?

 

[Ab Fan]

Dhoni is a pretty decent test keeper batsman. He averaged 38 and got 4800 runs in Tests.

Pant is a better keeper batsman by far but this doesn't mean he has exposed anyone. MSD was a good keeper batsman for the era he played.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Dhoni carried on the revolution that Gilchrist started?

Btw, you really need to watch more cricket, as of now you don’t have much info of cricket before 2015.

 

[batandballbattle]

Did Lara face Steyn?

Genuine question btw

Different eras, Steyn started to come into his own as Lara was at the tail end of his career, and hit his prime after Lara retired. Even if he did end up facing him briefly it wouldn't hold much weight

 

[atreus]

Andy Flower was arguably every bit as good with the bat as Gilly, give him the credit he deserves for changing Keeping-batting.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Tendulkar myth has been shattered after his retirement.

Dhoni myth has been shattered after his retirement.

The lesson is when it comes to Indians try to drown out the noise of the 1 billion + maniacs and analyse a player objectively.

Yeah..Shattered by some pakistani fans. Lol

 

[mominsaigol]

Before Gilchrist wicketkeepers generally were specialists who were never there to consistently perform with the bat.

When Dhoni came, he became ICC number one bat after 40 odd Odi matches, averaged around 50 at 90 str rate , played a clutch knock in final, helped us win a test series in England after 20+ years, captained us to three icc trophies, helped us win CB series beating the world champion Australia ina trie series.
Finished I don’t know how many matches and was known for his heavy six hitting ability.

Dhoni scored 220 + against Aus in a single innings, if he played for Pakistan you wouldn’t have lost the first match vs England, he was immensely good in home conditions with the bat.

As for his away Odi performances, they are better than Pakistans best batsman ever Saeed Anwar.


Btw didn’t you put ne on ignore list, what happened?

I put you on the ignore list briefly, I realised that I was being unfair as you were just striking up a conversation that's all.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Andy Flower was arguably every bit as good with the bat as Gilly, give him the credit he deserves for changing Keeping-batting.

He was a horrible horrible keeper and played in the same era as Gilly did, no one ever lists him as a great WK bat for that reason.

He is an ATG batsman for me.

 

[atreus]

He was a horrible horrible keeper and played in the same era as Gilly did, no one ever lists him as a great WK bat for that reason.

He is an ATG batsman for me.

a bit underwhelming but I won't say he was horrible (Kamran tier), tho I think he was the first one who introduced to the world the concept of a great Batsmen being a keeper

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

a bit underwhelming but I won't say he was horrible (Kamran tier), tho I think he was the first one who introduced to the world the concept of a great Batsmen being a keeper

Yeah maybe I went a bit OTT but he was basically a makeshift keeper and hence can’t be called a true wk batsman.

He was more like Bairstow as a keeper, a but worse actually cos he didn’t actually keep for world class bowlers apart from Streak at best.

 

[Buffet]

Mid 00 to mid 2010,







Dhoni was just outstanding in the hardest role(finsiher) in ODI cricket and even better when he got to play in 3-5 position.



This is just Dhoni as batsman.

Given he was arguably the best captain in ODI history, was a keeper and two best finishers we have seen in entire history of ODI cricket, he will be pretty much the first person for a spot in all time world XI in ODI format.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

No one has ever claimed that Dhoni is a great Test batsman. He is not an exceptional batsman in Tests, but at the same time, he isn't as bad as some posters are over-criticizing him here.
I don't understand the purpose of this comparison thread other than some spamming and, as usual, rants from the OP wanting to troll himself.

 

[big_gamer007]

Dhoni was average in test matches, pant has been a beast so far in test matches.

Dhoni was a beast in ODI’s during the first half of his career, his last 5-6 years were painful and cost us big tournaments. Pant so far has been average in LOI’s.

Dhoni should have retired after 2013 CT, his PR machine and corporates which had over 500 crore riding on Dhoni ensured he played in team for next 5-6 years and cost us many games. That is always the worst part of sports in sub continent, money dictates everything.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Dhoni was a beast in ODIs. His captaincy was remarkable and he turned India into an ATG team.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Mid 00 to mid 2010,

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Dhoni was just outstanding in the hardest role(finsiher) in ODI cricket and even better when he got to play in 3-5 position.

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This is just Dhoni as batsman.

Given he was arguably the best captain in ODI history, was a keeper and two best finishers we have seen in entire history of ODI cricket, he will be pretty much the first person for a spot in all time world XI in ODI format.

I think if you filter by away and neutral in the same duration, he will have great stats there too.

 

[Devadwal]

Dhoni and pant both are better than any Pakistan Wicketkeeper in history of cricket .

 

[Buffet]

I think if you filter by away and neutral in the same duration, he will have great stats there too.

In ODI, away is less important, but here you go.

In the same period when playing outside India.

In positions 3-5 - Dhoni avg is 60 with SR of 88 .... All positions in that period, he avg is 49 with SR 86

Simply outstanding record and even more impressive given how great finisher he was.

 

[Mamoon]

Dhoni the ODI batting GOAT narrative needs to be exposed as well. The following Indian batsmen are better than him in ODIs:

Kohli
Sachin
Rohit
Ganguly
Yuvraj
Dhawan
Gambhir

The PR merchant isn’t even in the top 7 best ODI batsmen produced by India and his fans think he is GOAT material. If you include batsmen from other countries, he will find it hard to push into the top 20.

The finisher gimmick was without any substance. He has played 500+ innings for India across formats and even the most ardent “Thala” fans can, at best, only recall 5-6 innings of significance and probably an equal number of innings where he lost games for his country.

Playing the finisher role when you are hiding behind the players mentioned above is not difficult. We would have seen how great of a finisher he was if he played for a weaker side like Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

 

[Mamoon]

DK’s finish in the Nidahas trophy in 2018 was better than any finish by Dhoni in his career. It just goes to show that the finisher role isn’t as difficult as it is made out to be.

One can imagine how much hype that innings would have generated if it was played by Dhoni. Truly a PR king.

The biopic brutally exposed the person that Dhoni is. I haven’t seen a worse biopic with more fictional elements. Even characters like Shahid Afridi and Shoaib Akhtar who lie 99% of the time about their achievements would produce more realistic depictions of their careers.

 

[Kroll]

Dhoni was a great player who had immense composure out in the middle, he must have been of the calmest players around. He was a product of his time and Pant is a product of his time.

No doubt when Pant starts slipping up, he will also be getting called bang average and over hyped.

 

[shortbread]

Sure all these small names pale in comparison to the future greatness of Azam Khan—because who wouldn’t want a keeper batsman whose talents are truly in a league of their own? I mean, we'll never see anyone like him again....

...thankfully

 

[Mockingbird]

Dhoni was never a test player - he had no affinity towards that format and sucked as a Test captain too. Was so freaking defensive - his decision to call off the West Indies test when India was chasing 86 runs with 7 wickets in hand was the lowest point of Indian test cricket for me & something that would have been seen as unforgivable in the Kohli/Rohit era.

I personally agree with Mamoon here- I have never bought into the Dhoni hype. Yes, he was a great keeper - but only against spin. Yes, he was a good finisher - but so were Yuvi & Raina. India has the habit of hero worshipping WC winning captains - him walking away with all the accolades of that 2011 WC final was so unfair to GG. However nothing to take away that was a great captain in the shorter format of the game.

Dhoni definitely was a PR hype - especially after the hero worshipping CSK fans branded him as Thala.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

@Mamoon is surely exposing the mediocrity of some Indian fans here. They don't know whom to support now.

 

[topspin]

Btw, you really need to watch more cricket, as of now you don’t have much info of cricket before 2015.

Spot on.

You can tell he’s a wannabe expert from a mile way.

 

[deltexas]

Tendulkar myth has been shattered after his retirement.

Dhoni myth has been shattered after his retirement.

The lesson is when it comes to Indians try to drown out the noise of the 1 billion + maniacs and analyse a player objectively.

Your dislike is so obvious. Dhoni was 2 parts - pre 2015 and post 2015. Totally 2 different personas. 2016 onwards he was a shadow of himself - a selfish player who played dots and dots and lost games. Should have been dropped for good at that time. They kept him and he cost Ind the WC in 2019 with the team imbalance him being there. Pre 2015 he was a beast in white ball cricket. Coming in at 7 or 8 and scoring quick runs is not easy. So keep your biases aside. Post 2015 dhoni was a selfish egoistic and a big PR guy with little of substance - a thing hes milked it to this day as well.

And he was never great in test cricket though. Yes, the best Ind WK/Batter at that time but easily eclipsed by Pant. Pant is an amazing test player, actually a better test player than white ball like Sehwag.

Tendulkar myth lol ! Well your bias is so irrational not even worth responding. jeez, I sometimes shudder, if Tend was Pak, you guys would have gone insane lol.

 

[RexRex]

Dhoni the ODI batting GOAT narrative needs to be exposed as well. The following Indian batsmen are better than him in ODIs:

Kohli
Sachin
Rohit
Ganguly
Yuvraj
Dhawan
Gambhir

True, but also Dhoni >> Inzy aka aloo bhai

 

[Devadwal]

Our views change over time, like the seasons, influenced by our experiences and what we learn.

Odd days - Ashwin is greatest all-rounder and better than imran khan

Even days - Sajid khan is better than Ashwin .

This is how he changed his view.

 

[Devadwal]

MSD 97* inning in World cup 2011 final was better than any Wicketkeeper expect Gilly in history of odi cricket .

 

[Mamoon]

True, but also Dhoni >> Inzy aka aloo bhai

Inzamam’s 92 SF alone is bigger than Dhoni’s entire career.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Your dislike is so obvious. Dhoni was 2 parts - pre 2015 and post 2015. Totally 2 different personas. 2016 onwards he was a shadow of himself - a selfish player who played dots and dots and lost games. Should have been dropped for good at that time. They kept him and he cost Ind the WC in 2019 with the team imbalance him being there. Pre 2015 he was a beast in white ball cricket. Coming in at 7 or 8 and scoring quick runs is not easy. So keep your biases aside. Post 2015 dhoni was a selfish egoistic and a big PR guy with little of substance - a thing hes milked it to this day as well.

And he was never great in test cricket though. Yes, the best Ind WK/Batter at that time but easily eclipsed by Pant. Pant is an amazing test player, actually a better test player than white ball like Sehwag.

Tendulkar myth lol ! Well your bias is so irrational not even worth responding. jeez, I sometimes shudder, if Tend was Pak, you guys would have gone insane lol.

I have no dislike for Dhoni at all - I respect him as a cricketer, and the number of trophies he has won as a leader speaks for itself.

My opinion of him is not far removed from yours - but his overall legacy has been framed as if he was as good as that pre 2015 beastly period, across all formats and across his whole career. It is important to dissect this and shatter this myth.

 

[Mamoon]

MSD 97* inning in World cup 2011 final was better than any Wicketkeeper expect Gilly in history of odi cricket .

Are you saying that Dhoni’s 97* is the second greatest ODI innings ever for a WK? Or just the second greatest WC innings by a WK? Please clarify.

 

[Mamoon]

As far as captaincy is concerned, he cashed on the foundation laid by Ganguly. In Tests, he took India backwards before Kohli revived India.

Dhoni was a nothing player and a nothing captain. Just a big PR drama. Most overrated cricketer in history by a country mile.

 

[RexRex]

Inzamam’s 92 SF alone is bigger than Dhoni’s entire career.

Dhoni would have run 3 runs by the time batsman Inzy was halfway down the pitch #aloo

 

[deltexas]

As far as captaincy is concerned, he cashed on the foundation laid by Ganguly. In Tests, he took India backwards before Kohli revived India.

Dhoni was a nothing player and a nothing captain. Just a big PR drama. Most overrated cricketer in history by a country mile.

Dude , you need to be rational. Dont be illogical know it all who makes no sense. Everyone agrees, msd was not great test captain. He was a great odi captain and player upto 2025. The ODIC WC 2015 was the start of his decline and he should have been dropped then itself. Instead he crawled till 2019 causing another WC loss to Ind.

But you saying he was a nothing player or captain is your stupid hyperbole. I hated msd after 2015 bcos he became selfish and narcisistic and should have been booted out. Pre 2015 his white ball achievements were incredible especially without having a great white ball bowling attack.

 

[Mamoon]

Dhoni would have run 3 runs by the time Inzy was halfway down the pitch #aloo

Maybe he should have done that in the 2019 semifinal so he wouldn’t have batted at SR of 69 that cost India the World Cup.

 

[Mamoon]

Dude , you need to be rational. Dont be illogical know it all who makes no sense. Everyone agrees, msd was not great test captain. He was a great odi captain and player upto 2025. The ODIC WC 2015 was the start of his decline and he should have been dropped then itself. Instead he crawled till 2019 causing another WC loss to Ind.

But you saying he was a nothing player or captain is your stupid hyperbole. I hated msd after 2015 bcos he became selfish and narcisistic and should have been booted out. Pre 2015 his white ball achievements were incredible especially without having a great white ball bowling attack.

Let me put it this way. Dhoni doesn’t exist and nothing changes for India.

Gambhir successfully captains India who still win everything that they won under Dhoni.

The only thing that might change and for the better is that India do better in Test cricket under Gambhir than they did under Dhoni.

Dhoni found himself at the right place at the right time to steal credit. He was not the catalyst for anything.