Have PTI's senior leadership abandoned Imran Khan?

[Savak]

According to media reports Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Asad Umar, Fawad Chaudhry, Ali Zaidi are prepared to abandon PTI and distance themselves from IK. Fawad Chaudhry has even signed an undertaking he will no longer participate in any more Jalsas for PTI.

IK being arrested and these guys being arrested and tortured was the biggest test for the remainder of the leadership and they have wilted under pressure from the PDM and the establishment in no time.

 

[Bewal Express]

According to media reports Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Asad Umar, Fawad Chaudhry, Ali Zaidi are prepared to abandon PTI and distance themselves from IK. Fawad Chaudhry has even signed an undertaking he will no longer participate in any more Jalsas for PTI.

IK being arrested and these guys being arrested and tortured was the biggest test for the remainder of the leadership and they have wilted under pressure from the PDM and the establishment in no time.

These guys are under huge pressure to protect themselves and their families. They need to do the best as long as they don't spout crap against Kaptaan. IK doesn't need these guys. Even if he is alone he will get 80% of the vote

 

[Rana]

According to media reports Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Asad Umar, Fawad Chaudhry, Ali Zaidi are prepared to abandon PTI and distance themselves from IK. Fawad Chaudhry has even signed an undertaking he will no longer participate in any more Jalsas for PTI.

IK being arrested and these guys being arrested and tortured was the biggest test for the remainder of the leadership and they have wilted under pressure from the PDM and the establishment in no time.

A bloke called Faisal Vawda was lambasting these guys and calling them snakes. He also said that they lead IK down the wrong path and IK was blindly trusting them

 

[MenInG]

A bloke called Faisal Vawda was lambasting these guys and calling them snakes. He also said that they lead IK down the wrong path and IK was blindly trusting them

Darwin's natural selection at play.

Good we get rid of people who don't have any love for the party. Although to be fair, no human should have had to go through police violence and abuse like these leaders have had to go through

 

[Rana]

Darwin's natural selection at play.

Good we get rid of people who don't have any love for the party. Although to be fair, no human should have had to go through police violence and abuse like these leaders have had to go through

But if your top generals fall, you won’t really stand much chance. SMQ and FC are massive pillars of PTI. Others will jump the ship too

 

[Rana]

First thing to point out is, Vawda himself is a big gun in the PTI. He holds a lot of credibility, so his assessments can’t be taken with a pinch of salt. Comes across as a reasonable man. From what I understood of his assessments recently:

-There is a lot of infighting/disagreement amongst senior PTI leaders and politicians. They don’t actually all get along too well with each other

-Vawda admitted in the interview that a ‘big mistake’ was caused to happen by Khan due to the blind trust he had on senior PTI members that didn’t have the best interests of PTI

-he himself believes PTI is on the cusp of becoming the new MQM

 

[MenInG]

But if your top generals fall, you won’t really stand much chance. SMQ and FC are massive pillars of PTI. Others will jump the ship too

Sometimes its the leadership that is holding things back. Happens all the time.

Plus a lot of people have commented that these guys should never have been in PTI and were there because IK needed some well known faces.

 

[Rana]

First thing to point out is, Vawda himself is a big gun in the PTI. He holds a lot of credibility, so his assessments can’t be taken with a pinch of salt. Comes across as a reasonable man. From what I understood of his assessments recently:

-There is a lot of infighting/disagreement amongst senior PTI leaders and politicians. They don’t actually all get along too well with each other

-Vawda admitted in the interview that a ‘big mistake’ was caused to happen by Khan due to the blind trust he had on senior PTI members that didn’t have the best interests of PTI

-he himself believes PTI is on the cusp of becoming the new MQM

-furthermore, Vawda has no sympathy whatsoever for the arrests of senior politicians of PTI, especially those who he blames for misleading the public into believing it is ok to destroy public property. He uses a pretty harsh B word for them which one poster uses quite frequently here and goes unnoticed for reasons best known to God

 

[Rana]

Sometimes its the leadership that is holding things back. Happens all the time.

Plus a lot of people have commented that these guys should never have been in PTI and were there because IK needed some well known faces.

But Vawda reveals that they were not just big names, rather they were key advisors to Imran. This is not me speculating, listen to what Vawda has revealed directly. From what I know of this man, he has always been a loyal supporter of IK

 

[MenInG]

But Vawda reveals that they were not just big names, rather they were key advisors to Imran. This is not me speculating, listen to what Vawda has revealed directly. From what I know of this man, he has always been a loyal supporter of IK

Bro Vawda himself has an axe to grind, he has made some very odd statements in the past and is not considered stable as such.

Think [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] will be able to say more.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Since May 9th inside job on the commanders house, there has been a huge information and misinformation war, so its best to wait until they confirm this themselves.

If true, its understandable. While in 'custody' serious threats must have been made to them, not just their well being but their families too inc women.

What you are seeing in Pakistan today is on par with many evil brutal dictators in history.

 

[Rana]

Since May 9th inside job on the commanders house, there has been a huge information and misinformation war, so its best to wait until they confirm this themselves.

If true, its understandable. While in 'custody' serious threats must have been made to them, not just their well being but their families too inc women.

What you are seeing in Pakistan today is on par with many evil brutal dictators in history.

Well. On one hand you claim it’s a war of ‘misinformation’ and wait for this to be confirmed

But on the other hand you have ‘credible news’ that serious threats have been made to them and their families.

 

[Savak]

Personally i am a big fan of political leaders and senior leaders in a party rising from the ground and greasing up gradually to the top through shear hard work and personal charisma i.e. Murad Saeed rather than imports from other political parties. I know very well who to trust more during very tough times for the party.

I understand IK made the decision from 2011 onwards that he had to bring in electibles and other experienced political candidates from other parties because his loyal party workers were just not delivering and didn't have the acceptance among the masses and were just blindly relying on his name but PTI's situation from 1997 to 2010 and now is very different.

 

[Savak]

First thing to point out is, Vawda himself is a big gun in the PTI. He holds a lot of credibility, so his assessments can’t be taken with a pinch of salt. Comes across as a reasonable man. From what I understood of his assessments recently:

-There is a lot of infighting/disagreement amongst senior PTI leaders and politicians. They don’t actually all get along too well with each other

-Vawda admitted in the interview that a ‘big mistake’ was caused to happen by Khan due to the blind trust he had on senior PTI members that didn’t have the best interests of PTI

-he himself believes PTI is on the cusp of becoming the new MQM

It were these senior PTI leaders who advised IK to resign from the National Assembly and dissolve the Punjab and KPK assemblies. Pervez Elahi kept imploring with IK to not to do that because the PDM and Establishment would have enough tools to persecute the PTI to no tommorow.

 

[Savak]

Since May 9th inside job on the commanders house, there has been a huge information and misinformation war, so its best to wait until they confirm this themselves.

If true, its understandable. While in 'custody' serious threats must have been made to them, not just their well being but their families too inc women.

What you are seeing in Pakistan today is on par with many evil brutal dictators in history.

What we are seeing today is no different to what was done to the Awami League in 1971? How were they able to uprise and fight back so effectively without any fear?

 

[MenInG]

Imran Khan has gone back to his favourite cricketing jibe, ‘raillu katta’, to target Pakistan’s prime minister Shehbaz Sharif and his government. It literally means ‘a wandering calf’ in Punjabi. But in the context of cricket—and in this case politics—its connotations include a worthless or two-bit player.

In a 23-minute video address on Thursday, he accused the Sharif-led Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) government of “conspiring” to end the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI).

“…These raillu kattas, who have no vote bank or anything else and are enjoying the fruits of power, their only attempt is to pit the army against the country’s biggest political party. That is their conspiracy,” he said. Khan also took a dig at former PM Nawaz Sharif when he referred to “that person in London” who does not care about what happens to Pakistan.

Khan wields the “raillu katta” barb with precision. After all, he was the one to introduce it to the world in 2019 to describe players of the Pakistan cricket team ahead of a World Cup group match against India.

At the time, he was prime minister of Pakistan. Hours before the toss, in an unsolicited advice, he told then Pakistan cricket captain Sarfaraz Ahmed to go with specialist batters and bowlers. The reason, he said, was that “raillu kattas” rarely perform under pressure.

His use of the barb generated an instant buzz on both sides of the border. Many Indian media outlets ran explainers ‘Imran Khan calls Pak cricketers ‘raillu kattas’, what exactly is it?’ was one such report by The Tribune.

In the tweet, Khan had advised the captain to bat first.

“Unless pitch is damp, Sarfaraz must win the toss & bat,” he tweeted.

Sarfraz won the toss but chose to bat second. In frustration, former Pakistani cricketer Shoaib Akhtar followed in Khan’s footsteps and called Sarfraz a ‘raillu katta.’

This cemented the use of the term in Pakistani cricket.

https://theprint.in/go-to-pakistan/...time-his-target-is-pm-shehbaz-sharif/1584007/

 

[KingKhanWC]

Well. On one hand you claim it’s a war of ‘misinformation’ and wait for this to be confirmed

But on the other hand you have ‘credible news’ that serious threats have been made to them and their families.

Im not here to help you out on every single point and I dont believe you are serious as you are confused who to support, have no view yourself and are just enjoying the bloodshed it seems?

There are confessions of many who have been tortured, there is no confession of the leaders confirming leaving. It really is very simple, just try to help yourself more.

 

[Savak]

Btw Fawad Chaudry has already gotten bail. He is no where to be seen with IK. Not good signs at all. The party looks to its top senior leaders in tough times.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What we are seeing today is no different to what was done to the Awami League in 1971? How were they able to uprise and fight back so effectively without any fear?

Im not sure its the same. The Indians came in quickly after seeing disagreements to further put fuel on the fire.

In 2023 with so much more access to what is taking place, they still dont care. The only logical reason is they have been ordered to use such brutal tactics, regardless of the consequences. Let there be no doubt this is an attack on Pakistan, not just IK or PTI or the people.

A former COAS Asif Nawaz Janjua(who has passed)'s house was raided , his family kidnapped. He was a good General, he wanted less army influence in politics. They wont spare such a high profile mans family, everyone else is no issue for them.

 

[Rana]

Im not here to help you out on every single point and I dont believe you are serious as you are confused who to support, have no view yourself and are just enjoying the bloodshed it seems?

There are confessions of many who have been tortured, there is no confession of the leaders confirming leaving. It really is very simple, just try to help yourself more.

No honestly I’m just dissecting what you said and asking how is one source of information which doesn’t suit your narrative questionable whilst the one that does is credible?

 

[Rana]

Imran Khan has gone back to his favourite cricketing jibe, ‘raillu katta’, to target Pakistan’s prime minister Shehbaz Sharif and his government. It literally means ‘a wandering calf’ in Punjabi. But in the context of cricket—and in this case politics—its connotations include a worthless or two-bit player.

In a 23-minute video address on Thursday, he accused the Sharif-led Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) government of “conspiring” to end the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI).

“…These raillu kattas, who have no vote bank or anything else and are enjoying the fruits of power, their only attempt is to pit the army against the country’s biggest political party. That is their conspiracy,” he said. Khan also took a dig at former PM Nawaz Sharif when he referred to “that person in London” who does not care about what happens to Pakistan.

Khan wields the “raillu katta” barb with precision. After all, he was the one to introduce it to the world in 2019 to describe players of the Pakistan cricket team ahead of a World Cup group match against India.

At the time, he was prime minister of Pakistan. Hours before the toss, in an unsolicited advice, he told then Pakistan cricket captain Sarfaraz Ahmed to go with specialist batters and bowlers. The reason, he said, was that “raillu kattas” rarely perform under pressure.

His use of the barb generated an instant buzz on both sides of the border. Many Indian media outlets ran explainers ‘Imran Khan calls Pak cricketers ‘raillu kattas’, what exactly is it?’ was one such report by The Tribune.

In the tweet, Khan had advised the captain to bat first.

“Unless pitch is damp, Sarfaraz must win the toss & bat,” he tweeted.

Sarfraz won the toss but chose to bat second. In frustration, former Pakistani cricketer Shoaib Akhtar followed in Khan’s footsteps and called Sarfraz a ‘raillu katta.’

This cemented the use of the term in Pakistani cricket.

https://theprint.in/go-to-pakistan/...time-his-target-is-pm-shehbaz-sharif/1584007/

I’m sorry to say but the relu-kattas of PTI are slowly deserting him. Should have been careful using catchphrases like this to undervalue others

 

[Kianig89]

Already mentioned SMQ FW Ch are leeches who sucked the blood outta PTI, amd pushed back the core group infact its their infighting and conspiracy which led to JKT exodus, let's hope they are distanced from PTI and BTW someone is trying to prevail sanity in IK when today he condemned May9 incidents don't know whether its the Dentist or the robber, but the need of the hour is not to lose this moment IK has massiveassive support of public let the dust settle and then plan for next move, sooner or later elections will be announced because nobody including international lobby does not trust this gang of thugs aka PDM

 

[Energy]

This is a big reason why the PTI government didn't actually deliver anything during their tenure. End of the day, the PTI isn't a great political party and many living inside Pakistan know this.

Yes, there's a lot of emotional attachment with Imran Khan and he gets the masses going- but it doesn't result in anything meaningful because he doesn't think rationally- and most of the time harps about historical rhetorical nonsense in Ertugul and co.

If you look at the infrastructure projects that PMLN delivered in their last tenure you'll see a marked difference with what the PTI did since 2018. Even financially, the rupee went into a freefall after huge loans were taken claiming this was paying off the previous debts. But the loans were the highest than all the previous years combined. Something was definitely wrong with the finance policy.

If that wasn't enough, we made new enemies after the prime minister declaring open support for Taliban. Huge blunder that IK couldn't envision, and neither did his party. It also indirectly downplayed the role of army who had done a good job in largely successfully eliminating TTP through zarb e Azb.

Fawad Chaudhry is a joke. Sheikh Rasheed is a lota. SMQ is a peer with his own cult murshids. I don't think Asad Umar is a good finance minister at all. None of these guys are any different from PMLN or PPP ministers to be fair.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No honestly I’m just dissecting what you said and asking how is one source of information which doesn’t suit your narrative questionable whilst the one that does is credible?

lol its not a narrative, its simply logic.

The PTI leaders have yet to confirm this. PTI leaders have confirmed they were threatened, tortured.

Who do you support? Its easy to attack , when you have nothing (or wont say) to defend.

 

[Major]

This is a big reason why the PTI government didn't actually deliver anything during their tenure. End of the day, the PTI isn't a great political party and many living inside Pakistan know this.

Yes, there's a lot of emotional attachment with Imran Khan and he gets the masses going- but it doesn't result in anything meaningful because he doesn't think rationally- and most of the time harps about historical rhetorical nonsense in Ertugul and co.

If you look at the infrastructure projects that PMLN delivered in their last tenure you'll see a marked difference with what the PTI did since 2018. Even financially, the rupee went into a freefall after huge loans were taken claiming this was paying off the previous debts. But the loans were the highest than all the previous years combined. Something was definitely wrong with the finance policy.

If that wasn't enough, we made new enemies after the prime minister declaring open support for Taliban. Huge blunder that IK couldn't envision, and neither did his party. It also indirectly downplayed the role of army who had done a good job in largely successfully eliminating TTP through zarb e Azb.

Fawad Chaudhry is a joke. Sheikh Rasheed is a lota. SMQ is a peer with his own cult murshids. I don't think Asad Umar is a good finance minister at all. None of these guys are any different from PMLN or PPP ministers to be fair.

good post.

Asad Umar is such an over rated guy, people around here were boosting him as if he was some statesman.

 

[Extra_Cover]

My analysis is different. I'm quite certain that the leaders you mentioned in OP will not abandon Imran Khan yet. They will certainly distance themselves temporarily from Imran Khan for the safety of themselves and their families but will not abandon Imran yet. Perhaps they will pull off something like what Ali Zaidi did which is distance himself but still said he is very much PTI.

The reason I say they will not abandon Khan yet is because this war between Imran Khan and establishment is not yet over. Establishment is certainly winning this battle but the war is still yet to be won. As I said previously its important for Imran Khan to survive this current onslaught with patience. It also helps in this matter that IK mostly has bail till end of this month so he has full opportunity to exhibit patience and he needs to keep international media engaged. With IK constantly engaging international media and overseas Pakistani pressuring US, UK and Europe will halt establishment to take any direct action against Imran Khan for the time being. This will go in IK's favour as all he now needs to do is show patience and bide his time.

Khan needs to wait this onslaught out as there are things that will go in his favour from a week or in two weeks time.
1. From next week legal proceedings is likely to be initiated against government and bureaucracy for violating the constitution i.e. elections should have been held on 14 May and its lapse will trigger legal consequences.
2. Activists and people held under section 3 of the MPO will start getting released from next week as its illegal to detain them for over 15 days without trial. Max they can hold is till 30 days but a trial needs to be initiated and once trials are held these people will be released.
3. Army courts cannot initiate proceedings against civilians as firstly this would be illegal and secondly will bring a massive backlash from international courts, HRW and amnesty and might likely be taken to UN as they usually do table meetings on human rights violations.
4. It is likely the economy of Pakistan will default in June. Pakistan has close to $3.5bn to repay in June which hasn't been refinanced and Pakistan simply does not have enough reserves to pay this amount off so unless its refinanced Pakistan will default. Once Pakistan defaults there will be heavy criticism of the current government and all talk shows will only talk about economy and the current distress will go on the back seat.
5. IMF will not likely fall through till Sep or even Nov i.e. IMF will want the current instability to be settled or elections done before engaging the government and on top of that the budget that Pakistan will propose in June is unlikely to please IMF hence resolution anytime soon is not expected.
6. ISI chief will be replaced in September. This is a critical position and once this change happens we might see a change in policy being adopted towards IK as current ISI chief is certainly filled with hate.

Therefore there are many factors in the near future that is likely to be played out where IK is likely to capitalise. All Khan needs to do now is wait and survive this onslaught. He needs to be careful and ultra patient during these weeks. Everyone knows if IK somehow survives this and is going into elections then everyone would want to join PTI rather than leave PTI hence all these leaders know that future is not yet decided so will not leave Khan but will certainly take a step back given the brutality being showcased at the moment.

 

[KingKhanWC]

My analysis is different. I'm quite certain that the leaders you mentioned in OP will not abandon Imran Khan yet. They will certainly distance themselves temporarily from Imran Khan for the safety of themselves and their families but will not abandon Imran yet. Perhaps they will pull off something like what Ali Zaidi did which is distance himself but still said he is very much PTI.

The reason I say they will not abandon Khan yet is because this war between Imran Khan and establishment is not yet over. Establishment is certainly winning this battle but the war is still yet to be won. As I said previously its important for Imran Khan to survive this current onslaught with patience. It also helps in this matter that IK mostly has bail till end of this month so he has full opportunity to exhibit patience and he needs to keep international media engaged. With IK constantly engaging international media and overseas Pakistani pressuring US, UK and Europe will halt establishment to take any direct action against Imran Khan for the time being. This will go in IK's favour as all he now needs to do is show patience and bide his time.

Khan needs to wait this onslaught out as there are things that will go in his favour from a week or in two weeks time.
1. From next week legal proceedings is likely to be initiated against government and bureaucracy for violating the constitution i.e. elections should have been held on 14 May and its lapse will trigger legal consequences.
2. Activists and people held under section 3 of the MPO will start getting released from next week as its illegal to detain them for over 15 days without trial. Max they can hold is till 30 days but a trial needs to be initiated and once trials are held these people will be released.
3. Army courts cannot initiate proceedings against civilians as firstly this would be illegal and secondly will bring a massive backlash from international courts, HRW and amnesty and might likely be taken to UN as they usually do table meetings on human rights violations.
4. It is likely the economy of Pakistan will default in June. Pakistan has close to $3.5bn to repay in June which hasn't been refinanced and Pakistan simply does not have enough reserves to pay this amount off so unless its refinanced Pakistan will default. Once Pakistan defaults there will be heavy criticism of the current government and all talk shows will only talk about economy and the current distress will go on the back seat.
5. IMF will not likely fall through till Sep or even Nov i.e. IMF will want the current instability to be settled or elections done before engaging the government and on top of that the budget that Pakistan will propose in June is unlikely to please IMF hence resolution anytime soon is not expected.
6. ISI chief will be replaced in September. This is a critical position and once this change happens we might see a change in policy being adopted towards IK as current ISI chief is certainly filled with hate.

Therefore there are many factors in the near future that is likely to be played out where IK is likely to capitalise. All Khan needs to do now is wait and survive this onslaught. He needs to be careful and ultra patient during these weeks. Everyone knows if IK somehow survives this and is going into elections then everyone would want to join PTI rather than leave PTI hence all these leaders know that future is not yet decided so will not leave Khan but will certainly take a step back given the brutality being showcased at the moment.

One of the best posts Ive read anywhere in the last two weeks.

I think you are correct, the tide is beginning to turn. Not because of this but even a warmonger hawk like John Bolton is demanding Pakistan needs to be stable. When a man like him thinks things are getting out of hand, you know its a worry for the big powers of the world.

 

[UP]

This is a waiting game now. If Hafiz or Showbaz had their way to take IK out they would have done it by now.

As Extra_Cover said - this onslaught and pressure needs to be survived. Once country defaults in near future, it will be a tamasha and crooks will be running like headless chickens in circles.

 

[UP]

My analysis is different. I'm quite certain that the leaders you mentioned in OP will not abandon Imran Khan yet. They will certainly distance themselves temporarily from Imran Khan for the safety of themselves and their families but will not abandon Imran yet. Perhaps they will pull off something like what Ali Zaidi did which is distance himself but still said he is very much PTI.

The reason I say they will not abandon Khan yet is because this war between Imran Khan and establishment is not yet over. Establishment is certainly winning this battle but the war is still yet to be won. As I said previously its important for Imran Khan to survive this current onslaught with patience. It also helps in this matter that IK mostly has bail till end of this month so he has full opportunity to exhibit patience and he needs to keep international media engaged. With IK constantly engaging international media and overseas Pakistani pressuring US, UK and Europe will halt establishment to take any direct action against Imran Khan for the time being. This will go in IK's favour as all he now needs to do is show patience and bide his time.

Khan needs to wait this onslaught out as there are things that will go in his favour from a week or in two weeks time.
1. From next week legal proceedings is likely to be initiated against government and bureaucracy for violating the constitution i.e. elections should have been held on 14 May and its lapse will trigger legal consequences.
2. Activists and people held under section 3 of the MPO will start getting released from next week as its illegal to detain them for over 15 days without trial. Max they can hold is till 30 days but a trial needs to be initiated and once trials are held these people will be released.
3. Army courts cannot initiate proceedings against civilians as firstly this would be illegal and secondly will bring a massive backlash from international courts, HRW and amnesty and might likely be taken to UN as they usually do table meetings on human rights violations.
4. It is likely the economy of Pakistan will default in June. Pakistan has close to $3.5bn to repay in June which hasn't been refinanced and Pakistan simply does not have enough reserves to pay this amount off so unless its refinanced Pakistan will default. Once Pakistan defaults there will be heavy criticism of the current government and all talk shows will only talk about economy and the current distress will go on the back seat.
5. IMF will not likely fall through till Sep or even Nov i.e. IMF will want the current instability to be settled or elections done before engaging the government and on top of that the budget that Pakistan will propose in June is unlikely to please IMF hence resolution anytime soon is not expected.
6. ISI chief will be replaced in September. This is a critical position and once this change happens we might see a change in policy being adopted towards IK as current ISI chief is certainly filled with hate.

Therefore there are many factors in the near future that is likely to be played out where IK is likely to capitalise. All Khan needs to do now is wait and survive this onslaught. He needs to be careful and ultra patient during these weeks. Everyone knows if IK somehow survives this and is going into elections then everyone would want to join PTI rather than leave PTI hence all these leaders know that future is not yet decided so will not leave Khan but will certainly take a step back given the brutality being showcased at the moment.

What happens if the goons have CJP, ECP, COAS and President in their pocket?

New CJP and President will soon take over.

 

[Savak]

This is a waiting game now. If Hafiz or Showbaz had their way to take IK out they would have done it by now.

As Extra_Cover said - this onslaught and pressure needs to be survived. Once country defaults in near future, it will be a tamasha and crooks will be running like headless chickens in circles.

They have succeeded in scaring PTI workers and supporters to stay away from Zaman Park. The latest visuals i am seeing at Zaman Park is that they are removing all the containers and barricades therefore further compromising on his security, he already has not been given the security an ex prime minister of the country deserves, their intentions are definately not good, maybe now they are feeling confident they have sub dued, scared the masses with their brutality and in the event of a mass civil unrest, they will be able to ride the storm and eventually get things under control.

 

[UP]

They have succeeded in scaring PTI workers and supporters to stay away from Zaman Park. The latest visuals i am seeing at Zaman Park is that they are removing all the containers and barricades therefore further compromising on his security, he already has not been given the security an ex prime minister of the country deserves, their intentions are definately not good, maybe now they are feeling confident they have sub dued, scared the masses with their brutality and in the event of a mass civil unrest, they will be able to ride the storm and eventually get things under control.

Isn’t that a good thing police is moving away?

 

[Extra_Cover]

They have succeeded in scaring PTI workers and supporters to stay away from Zaman Park. The latest visuals i am seeing at Zaman Park is that they are removing all the containers and barricades therefore further compromising on his security, he already has not been given the security an ex prime minister of the country deserves, their intentions are definately not good, maybe now they are feeling confident they have sub dued, scared the masses with their brutality and in the event of a mass civil unrest, they will be able to ride the storm and eventually get things under control.

Trust me when I say this that current government regime and establishment is most concerned about IK's safety at the moment. If anything happens to Khan that is not natural then not only there will be local retribution but also international retribution. We might even see China and India engaged in this conflict directly and Afghan border will become difficult to manage. In the bigger scheme of things this is more important than ego of certain individuals including Khan.

 

[Savak]

Isn’t that a good thing police is moving away?

Doubt it. I don't trust the PDM and establishment thugs

 

[Savak]

By now it is very clear that PTI and IK's wargaming abilities have been exposed to be very poor. All the moves he has made in the last year and a half have exposed PTI's abilities to be ahead of the opposition

1) They failed to thwart the VONC in 2022 when they had advanced notice about the oppositions activities and the fact that the army was sponsoring it

2) Resigning from the National Assembly and giving complete freedom to the PDM Crooks to do whatever they want. They failed to forsee that the establishment will keep things running even if they stopped going to the assemblies

3) Dissolving the Punjab and KPK Assembly and failing to forsee how the PDM via the Election Commission would appoint Mohsin Naqvi as Care taker CM, how the PDM with the establishments help would nuetralize the Supreme Court

4) Violent reaction to IK's arrest on May 9, 2023. Regardless of whether PTI workers were involved or not, no one in PTI forsaw how the PDM would use this event to instigate the army against IK

In any professional corporation the key people involved would be fired. PTI's senior leadership has proven to be completely incompetent

 

[Bewal Express]

The problem with any guys that leave IK is that they are finished. I like Fwd, but not so keen on SMQ. They are under incredible pressure from the mafia and have done amazingly well to stay in the race. These guys have families and chances are they are being threatened. It Makes IK an even bigger legend for taking on a mafia head on and not backing down.

 

[Rana]

Btw Fawad Chaudry has already gotten bail. He is no where to be seen with IK. Not good signs at all. The party looks to its top senior leaders in tough times.

Vawda pretty much confirmed FC selling out. Listen to his speeches and TV interview with the news anchor

 

[Bewal Express]

By now it is very clear that PTI and IK's wargaming abilities have been exposed to be very poor. All the moves he has made in the last year and a half have exposed PTI's abilities to be ahead of the opposition

1) They failed to thwart the VONC in 2022 when they had advanced notice about the oppositions activities and the fact that the army was sponsoring it

2) Resigning from the National Assembly and giving complete freedom to the PDM Crooks to do whatever they want. They failed to forsee that the establishment will keep things running even if they stopped going to the assemblies

3) Dissolving the Punjab and KPK Assembly and failing to forsee how the PDM via the Election Commission would appoint Mohsin Naqvi as Care taker CM, how the PDM with the establishments help would nuetralize the Supreme Court

4) Violent reaction to IK's arrest on May 9, 2023. Regardless of whether PTI workers were involved or not, no one in PTI forsaw how the PDM would use this event to instigate the army against IK

In any professional corporation the key people involved would be fired. PTI's senior leadership has proven to be completely incompetent

IK has made decisions and each one can be debated but ultimately this game is decided by the guy with the biggest gun. Each move has logic and the move to dissolve the assemblies has caused much pain but exposed a corrupt mafia willing to break the law and the constitution. It will have consequences. The Generals don't stay in power forever and a new ones will emerge that will beat the crap out of Maryam and Billo. Politics isn't linear

 

[Savak]

Vawda pretty much confirmed FC selling out. Listen to his speeches and TV interview with the news anchor

A person's track record speaks volumes. Fawad has already changed 3 parties before

 

[Extra_Cover]

What happens if the goons have CJP, ECP, COAS and President in their pocket?

New CJP and President will soon take over.

There will not be a new President. As per Pakistan's constitution the election of President requires all the houses to vote for election which includes Parliament, Senate and 4 provincial assemblies. Given 2 assemblies are currently dissolved the house is not complete hence new election of President cannot happen hence Alvi's tenure will not expire until elections are done now.

New CJP certainly will be a challenge and that is something PTI would have to deal with given they initiated proceedings against him which would likely make him a biased individual. The only silver lining for PTI is the law that PDM has recently passed which has curtailed the powers of chief justice.

 

[Major]

There will not be a new President. As per Pakistan's constitution the election of President requires all the houses to vote for election which includes Parliament, Senate and 4 provincial assemblies. Given 2 assemblies are currently dissolved the house is not complete hence new election of President cannot happen hence Alvi's tenure will not expire until elections are done now.

New CJP certainly will be a challenge and that is something PTI would have to deal with given they initiated proceedings against him which would likely make him a biased individual. The only silver lining for PTI is the law that PDM has recently passed which has curtailed the powers of chief justice.

Faiz isn't biased. He goes by the book. And it was Imrans own fault making the fight personal with him, even though he showed all his assets and had receipts for everything.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Faiz isn't biased. He goes by the book. And it was Imrans own fault making the fight personal with him, even though he showed all his assets and had receipts for everything.

I agree it was foolish of PTI to file a reference against him. They should bite the bullet now if it comes back to haunt them. Faiz has been historically been against military so its quite likely that the reference against Faiz came from military but then again better sense should have prevailed by PTI and President before filing a reference.

 

[moghul]

These guys are under huge pressure to protect themselves and their families. They need to do the best as long as they don't spout crap against Kaptaan. IK doesn't need these guys. Even if he is alone he will get 80% of the vote

Yes, the only way corrupt PDM and army can stop IK from coming back to power , whenever/if elections are held by banning or killing him. He does not need any team or even has to run an election campaign .

 

[Bewal Express]

Faiz isn't biased. He goes by the book. And it was Imrans own fault making the fight personal with him, even though he showed all his assets and had receipts for everything.

A CJP that looked to block the elections isn't fit enough to clean the SC toilets, never mind become CJP. The crook knows the Generals have more secrets on him and he made a deal with them.

 

[UP]

The problem with any guys that leave IK is that they are finished. I like Fwd, but not so keen on SMQ. They are under incredible pressure from the mafia and have done amazingly well to stay in the race. These guys have families and chances are they are being threatened. It Makes IK an even bigger legend for taking on a mafia head on and not backing down.

Agreed.

Any other individual in Khan’s place would have ran away. This what makes IK a legend. When going gets tough - he stands up and faces the music. Remember the non-stop 24 hour assault in March? This what separates him from sheeps.

Look at the senior ganja - always runs away when going gets tough. His brother Showbaz is the PM and still can’t set a foot in country. If elections take place and gang gets wiped out - you will see everybody in UAE or UK. They are darpoks.

IK is not perfect - he has his bad habits but facing music and standing up should be applauded.

 

[saeedhk]

SQM has also been asked to give an undertaking. Ali Zaidi has said that somebody would have to kill him to make him leave PTI. He is a loyal guy.

 

[saeedhk]

There will not be a new President. As per Pakistan's constitution the election of President requires all the houses to vote for election which includes Parliament, Senate and 4 provincial assemblies. Given 2 assemblies are currently dissolved the house is not complete hence new election of President cannot happen hence Alvi's tenure will not expire until elections are done now.

New CJP certainly will be a challenge and that is something PTI would have to deal with given they initiated proceedings against him which would likely make him a biased individual. The only silver lining for PTI is the law that PDM has recently passed which has curtailed the powers of chief justice.

The bill aim at curtailing has not become the law as the CJ declared it null and void.

 

[LongHorn]

I believe Yasmin Rashid and Shireen Mazari are not going to jump ship so easily?

 

[LongHorn]

I think IK should have drafted in some of his sisters when he started PTI, they seem articulate enough. Own blood wouldnt jump ship like career politicians , we see that with the Sharifs as well

 

[the Great Khan]

Nobody has jumped yet other than the third tier. Murad saeed ,Jhagra, the majority of kpk are still here. Farrukh Habib Hamad azhar usman daar...all of them are still there..SMQ is also still standing. Fawad is clearly not well. Hence he can take a stepnback. Khan has already assured them.

As for the war. That continues. 72 PTI lawmakers are going back to the assembly. I still believe the PPP and even elements in the PMLN want to step back to survive. This confrontation will burn everyone.

 

[MenInG]

Nobody has jumped yet other than the third tier. Murad saeed ,Jhagra, the majority of kpk are still here. Farrukh Habib Hamad azhar usman daar...all of them are still there..SMQ is also still standing. Fawad is clearly not well. Hence he can take a stepnback. Khan has already assured them.

As for the war. That continues. 72 PTI lawmakers are going back to the assembly. I still believe the PPP and even elements in the PMLN want to step back to survive. This confrontation will burn everyone.

Some are fine with that as it suits their interests.

 

[MenInG]

Qureshi’s release delayed over reluctance to give undertaking

The release of Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Vice Chairman of PTI, has been delayed due to his apparent reluctance to provide an undertaking to refrain from engaging in ‘unruly’ protests.

Islamabad High Court Justice Miangul Hassan Auran*g*zeb had set aside the detention order of Qureshi and the spouse of PTI leader Sheharyar Afridi. The judge also sought an undertaking from them, urging caution and a distance from violence.

Qureshi’s daughter had filed the petition seeking to set aside detention order against her father issued by the district magistrate under the Maintenance of Public Order.

 

[MenInG]

Some insight into this whole PTI "abandoned" rhetoric

==

WHILE the question about the ban or no ban on the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) after the May 9 arson attacks on the state buildings and military installations is yet to be answered, the situation has given a justification to several party legislators to jump ship either under pressure from ‘certain quarters’ or to save their politics after being denied the party tickets.

The state buildings and military installations were attacked and torched in several cities of Punjab and some parts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Sindh following the arrest of PTI Chairman Imran Khan from the Islamabad High Court.

The high-profile arrest had sparked protests across the country, especially in Punjab, and resulted in demonstrations and torching of the state buildings, military installations as well as several public and private vehicles.

The Punjab government alone assessed losses of over Rs6bn and claimed to have arrested some 4,000 rioters.

About nine days after the attack, the PTI in Punjab was jolted as several party legislators in Islamabad, Lahore and Multan held press conferences and announced parting ways with the party on the (given) pretext that the party leaders and workers had damaged military installations and state buildings. They condemned the violent protests and vandalism by the party workers. But there is more to it than meets the eye.

Various party leaders this correspondent spoke to are unanimous in saying that the defections have been announced following pressure from the establishment that is all out to disintegrate and crush the party for demanding elections.

Some agree that this is similar to pre-2018 general election scenes when politicians had joined the PTI in droves — some had joined on plain instructions, while others had to face intervention by ‘mehkma zaraat’. They acknowledge this is the first round of pressure and only the weakest or those rejected by the party in nominations for election have defected from the party.

“The PTI does expect more coercion methods to be employed to force more legislators to jump ship and be in the safe hands of the establishment,” a party leader says.

Commending all the party members who resisted and survived the ‘extreme pressure’, PTI Chairman Imran Khan expressed his sympathies to all those who were made to leave the party under pressure.

While Mr Khan expressed his remorse over defection of his government’s federal minister for national health services Aamir Mehmood Kiyani, the PTI’s local leadership in Rawalpindi tells a different story about Mr Kiyani and PTI billion-tree project lynchpin Malik Amin Aslam.

The party’s local leadership says the police have been aggressively picking up the party MNAs, MPAs and even their family members since the attack on the GHQ in Rawalpindi but didn’t touch nor nominated Mr Kiyani in any FIR despite the fact that the army headquarters fell in his constituency.

As Mr Kiyani announced quitting the party while terming the attack on public properties and military installations ‘unfortunate, painful, and terrible’, the PTI leadership asks why the announcement was made after the passage of nine days of the `attack’ on the GHQ.

While Amin Aslam announced parting ways with the PTI alleging that it has been taken over by an ‘agenda’ that was exposed during May 9 protests, the PTI leadership asserts he was denied a party ticket in 2018 general elections and this time also he stood no chance of getting the party ticket.

Former adviser to the Prime Minister on Climate Change Amin Aslam was denied ticket in 2018 as his competitor Tahir Sadiq Khan had convinced Imran for tickets for both urban and rural constituencies in Attock with an undertaking that after the win, he would offer urban constituency by-election to Amin Aslam.

However, after winning, Tahir Khan surrendered rural constituency seat, pushing Amin away. For upcoming general election, local leaders say, Tahir Khan wants both seats’ tickets for him and his daughter. The PTI chief had offered the federal minister status to Amin Aslam only when he was denied the opportunity to contest the by-election from Attock’s urban constituency.

The PTI leaders don’t give much weight to the party’s third defection – deputy secretary information Dr Amjad – saying he had never won any election and the PTI wasn’t inclined to give him a party ticket.

As the scanner moves to Multan, the nation saw eight PTI legislators quitting the party for the same reason that they were disturbed over their party’s involvement in ransacking the state buildings and properties and that they expressed solidarity with the Pakistan Army. The eight former MPAs are: Zaheeruddin Khan Alizai, Aun Dogar, Abdul Hayi Dasti, Malik Mujtaba Niaz Gishkori, Alamdar Husain Qureshi, Sajjad Hussain Chheena and Sardar Qaisar Abbas Khan Magsi.

PTI central information secretary Farrukh Habib says Imran Khan had already rejected these candidates and did not consider them for the party ticket as he did in 2018.

“These legislators had sold their conscience for money and were denied a party ticket by Imran Khan,” Mr Habib tweeted. He clarified that Zaheer Alizai had bid adieu to politics and added the PTI chief denied party ticket to his nephew.

Defector Abdul Hayi Dasti, who was recently in the news for recovery of over 100m of rupees and foreign currency from his house, says this is the first phase of defections and there are many more to come.

While he says he and his colleagues have shown solidarity with the army, Mr Dasti alleges the party tickets in south Punjab were managed by PTI South Punjab president Aon Abbasi Bappi after accepting bribe.

“There are many who gave money to Bappi but could not get the party ticket. They are now demanding return of their money,” claims Dasti. He predicts, “Soon former chief minister Usman Buzdar will become an approver and several others who were pushed to join the PTI in 2018 will withdraw their support to the party”.

Explaining further, he says he and his colleagues will be contesting as independent candidates, claiming: “The independents will be the real winning horses in formation of the next elected government in Punjab”.

As the scanner moves to Sindh’s capital Karachi, PTI MPA Dr Imran Ali Shah announced leaving the party, explaining he could not stand that the protesters did not even spare the national institutions and installations.

The party sources say PTI Sindh President Ali Zaidi, who was under house arrest, was moved to the Jacobabad jail after he rebutted reports about defecting from the party.

Published in Dawn, May 20th, 2023

 

[MenInG]

Not sure where this guy ranks in the hierarchy

==


Dr Hasham Inamullah becomes latest PTI leader to leave party over May 9 incidents

Former provincial health minister Dr Hasham Inamullah on Saturday became the latest name to leave the embattled PTI, following the violent protests in the wake of party chairman Imran Khan’s arrest on May 9.

Addressing the media today, he said, “As a Pakistani, I consider it to be my insult and disloyalty to my land to remain affiliated with the PTI after the inciteful, atrocious, cowardly and shameful actions of May 9.”

“I resign from my membership right here and now because I do not have disloyalty in my blood as a Pashtun,” he added.

 

[Bewal Express]

If this is the master plan from the duffer Generals then with this level of Planning, Ind must be quaking in their boots

 

[Major]

I agree it was foolish of PTI to file a reference against him. They should bite the bullet now if it comes back to haunt them. Faiz has been historically been against military so its quite likely that the reference against Faiz came from military but then again better sense should have prevailed by PTI and President before filing a reference.

But you have to give credit to him that he not only provided a receipt for each and everything, but he voluntarily disclosed all his assets online. If a person is not a corrupt, than the military cant do anything about that person. It was lovely how the guy just showed everything and provided a money trail aswell.

I can bet my top dollar the establishment must have tried to record his calls and videos to get some scope from his personal life.

 

[Major]

Nobody has jumped yet other than the third tier. Murad saeed ,Jhagra, the majority of kpk are still here. Farrukh Habib Hamad azhar usman daar...all of them are still there..SMQ is also still standing. Fawad is clearly not well. Hence he can take a stepnback. Khan has already assured them.

As for the war. That continues. 72 PTI lawmakers are going back to the assembly. I still believe the PPP and even elements in the PMLN want to step back to survive. This confrontation will burn everyone.

That Kiyani guy aint thrid tier, He was an MNA that won in Rawalpindi and he was the guy who ended up increasing the prices of medicines in Pakistan by huge percentages.

 

[the Great Khan]

That Kiyani guy aint thrid tier, He was an MNA that won in Rawalpindi and he was the guy who ended up increasing the prices of medicines in Pakistan by huge percentages.

One out of how many..abhi ticket khan kay naam pay hay..which part of that do you pdm lot not understand. As soon as the PTI gets its opportunity it will evicserate the false memory of the bhuttos and their traitorous offspring. You'll be looking for that exit door one day mark my words.

 

[Major]

One out of how many..abhi ticket khan kay naam pay hay..which part of that do you pdm lot not understand. As soon as the PTI gets its opportunity it will evicserate the false memory of the bhuttos and their traitorous offspring. You'll be looking for that exit door one day mark my words.

PTI is already finishing with the resignations popping up. I wonder if you will even have any MNAs to contest an election...

PTI's life will be shorter than MQMs/

 

[The_Odd_One]

It's all exaggeration. How many families of politicians have been kidnapped or killed in the past? How many of such incidents happened when Zia or Musharraf came into power.

PTI leadership has realized that the party is a sinking ship and Imran is an incompetent leader with no political future, hence they are abandoning the party one by one.

 

[Bewal Express]

It's all exaggeration. How many families of politicians have been kidnapped or killed in the past? How many of such incidents happened when Zia or Musharraf came into power.

PTI leadership has realized that the party is a sinking ship and Imran is an incompetent leader with no political future, hence they are abandoning the party one by one.

So if that is the case, why are your crooks running from elections. Why break the constitution to stop the elections? Why would anyone run from IK because according to you he has lost his party people and is incompetent.

 

[Sidilicious]

From an outside perspective, mostly reading via this forum, PTIs biggest weakness is that it’s a one man party. Without Imran, the party doesn’t seem to have a credible leader and it seems like Imran hasn’t given any thought or put an effort in long term succession.

If you look at political parties in South Asia, they are mostly dynasty driven, and only very few are non-dynasty driven. I can only think of Communist Party of India, BJP and some regional parties. These parties have survived due to a strong ideology like hindutva or communism. Congress, which was also non-dynasty driven in the first 60 years of existence survived due to a strong ideology like a free and secular India. They are also mostly ground up parties, where leaders have put in the hard yards at a lower level.

PTI doesn’t seem to have a clear ideology and nor are its leaders ground up. The main guy is a superstar and hasn’t been involved in ground level politics. The other leaders made their name in other political parties before joining PTI. I might be wrong, but I don’t think there any leaders who gained their name working ground up for PTI.
BTW, fighting corruption and economic growth is not an ideology. Every single party does that (even if they don’t follow it).

Finally, I believe Imran Khan is an honest man and has the correct intentions. But it doesn’t seem like he is very competent in governing a country. He hasn’t been able to vow Pakistan with his work or even managing a political party. He is inexperienced in governance and is not able to manage any political machination (let’s face it, be it the UK or Pakistan or India, you need to an Amit Shah or an Alistair Campbell to manage a political party). People are currently supporting him because I) he is a superstars ii) additional support coming from the fact that he is being wrongly targeted by the army. If the there was not VONC against PTI, I believe he would have lost badly in the next general elections. This atrocious behaviour of the army has increased sympathy for IK.

I am afraid to say that PTI will end with Imran Khan. Even if he is taken out (god forbid) there will be some reaction for a few months, but things will normalise and people will be back to supporting sharifs and bhuttos within 12 months.

 

[Bewal Express]

From an outside perspective, mostly reading via this forum, PTIs biggest weakness is that it’s a one man party. Without Imran, the party doesn’t seem to have a credible leader and it seems like Imran hasn’t given any thought or put an effort in long term succession.

If you look at political parties in South Asia, they are mostly dynasty driven, and only very few are non-dynasty driven. I can only think of Communist Party of India, BJP and some regional parties. These parties have survived due to a strong ideology like hindutva or communism. Congress, which was also non-dynasty driven in the first 60 years of existence survived due to a strong ideology like a free and secular India. They are also mostly ground up parties, where leaders have put in the hard yards at a lower level.

PTI doesn’t seem to have a clear ideology and nor are its leaders ground up. The main guy is a superstar and hasn’t been involved in ground level politics. The other leaders made their name in other political parties before joining PTI. I might be wrong, but I don’t think there any leaders who gained their name working ground up for PTI.
BTW, fighting corruption and economic growth is not an ideology. Every single party does that (even if they don’t follow it).

Finally, I believe Imran Khan is an honest man and has the correct intentions. But it doesn’t seem like he is very competent in governing a country. He hasn’t been able to vow Pakistan with his work or even managing a political party. He is inexperienced in governance and is not able to manage any political machination (let’s face it, be it the UK or Pakistan or India, you need to an Amit Shah or an Alistair Campbell to manage a political party). People are currently supporting him because I) he is a superstars ii) additional support coming from the fact that he is being wrongly targeted by the army. If the there was not VONC against PTI, I believe he would have lost badly in the next general elections. This atrocious behaviour of the army has increased sympathy for IK.

I am afraid to say that PTI will end with Imran Khan. Even if he is taken out (god forbid) there will be some reaction for a few months, but things will normalise and people will be back to supporting sharifs and bhuttos within 12 months.

PK has no left or right, the ideology is between right and wrong. We have a criminal mafia that will kill people to stay in power without any hesitation and until that ideological battle is won, we can't move to the next battle to the type of economy we should have etc. As far as leaders are concerned, you can't develop leaders from grass roots until the people are educated enough to understand and analyse policies. So they rely on name recognition. The PTI has the likes of Muraad and others that are coming through.

 

[Sidilicious]

PK has no left or right, the ideology is between right and wrong. We have a criminal mafia that will kill people to stay in power without any hesitation and until that ideological battle is won, we can't move to the next battle to the type of economy we should have etc. As far as leaders are concerned, you can't develop leaders from grass roots until the people are educated enough to understand and analyse policies. So they rely on name recognition. The PTI has the likes of Muraad and others that are coming through.

As I said, I don’t know the details, just the high level view that I see from the news on this forum.

Also, I didn’t add that I believe that a country gets the government it deserves. With an army as strong as the Pakistani government, the people don’t have any onus for a revolution or a major political movement. If things are really bad for the people, they can always hope that hopefully the army can fix this situation. Even if they end up with a revolution or a political movement, the fear of army targeting the revolutionaries (like with PTI currently) will dissuade people from a prolonged agitation. As long as army is so strong (which from what I understood most Pakistanis want, at least till 2022) people of Pakistan will never have a functioning democracy.

 

[Bewal Express]

As I said, I don’t know the details, just the high level view that I see from the news on this forum.

Also, I didn’t add that I believe that a country gets the government it deserves. With an army as strong as the Pakistani government, the people don’t have any onus for a revolution or a major political movement. If things are really bad for the people, they can always hope that hopefully the army can fix this situation. Even if they end up with a revolution or a political movement, the fear of army targeting the revolutionaries (like with PTI currently) will dissuade people from a prolonged agitation. As long as army is so strong (which from what I understood most Pakistanis want, at least till 2022) people of Pakistan will never have a functioning democracy.

I was a big supporter of the army because I felt they would protect PK from the mafia, what we know now( and in my naivety I never believed it before) is that they are at the apex of the mafia. We need a total purge of the army and it's top brass because their is incestuous relationship between these criminals. All their interests are the same, loot, plunder and treat the common man as crap.

 

[Kianig89]

So the cat is out of box, Akbar S Babar glory hunter being launched to hijack PTI and guess what elections might be announced with fake PTI participating in coalition with PDM that is the plan

 

[Major]

I was a big supporter of the army because I felt they would protect PK from the mafia, what we know now( and in my naivety I never believed it before) is that they are at the apex of the mafia. We need a total purge of the army and it's top brass because their is incestuous relationship between these criminals. All their interests are the same, loot, plunder and treat the common man as crap.

maybe had you listened to me you would had known.

similarly how you are naive about Isa Faiz.

But no you are confused. For you as long as anyone supports IMran he is a good person, if doesnt than he is bad.

 

[MenInG]

PTI’s Salman Qureshi also announces parting ways with party

Salman Qureshi, a councillor-elect of the PTI, announced parting ways with his party on Saturday.

Addressing a press conference at Karachi Press Club, he said he was also resigning as a councillor while citing the May 9 violence incidents as the reason behind quitting the party.

“Violent protests and that too directed at our armed forces cannot be tolerated. I am here to announce the decision to quit the party and also as a councillor elect of UC-9 of Saddar Town,” he said.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Firdous joined me 27 years ago and shared my dream of Pakistan as a just and humane society . He faced all our ups and downs ( most of the first 14 years were downs ) and took a strong character rooted in a powerful belief system to not give up despite so many disappointments.… <a href="https://t.co/LwXNfDAQu8">pic.twitter.com/LwXNfDAQu8</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1660027527593590787?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 20, 2023</a></blockquote>
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[Bewal Express]

maybe had you listened to me you would had known.

similarly how you are naive about Isa Faiz.

But no you are confused. For you as long as anyone supports IMran he is a good person, if doesnt than he is bad.

How can i listen to anyone that supports another mafia called the PPP. The Generals and the PPP have the same interests and that's why they have come together to kill people, smash the constitution and lock up opposition figures.
As far as Isa is concerned, a guy that can't provide a trail for his properties is open to blackmail and that's what happened. He has has done everything to stop the elections with his antics along with the 7. The mafia love him for a reason, he has promised them 2 things- he will uphold IKs disqualification and any rigging allegations to stop IK and the PTI win will be thrown out( thus the desperation to wait until October). Its not even a secret, they say it openly. IA he becomes a Qazi that fears Allah and not the mafia

 

[Major]

How can i listen to anyone that supports another mafia called the PPP. The Generals and the PPP have the same interests and that's why they have come together to kill people, smash the constitution and lock up opposition figures.
As far as Isa is concerned, a guy that can't provide a trail for his properties is open to blackmail and that's what happened. He has has done everything to stop the elections with his antics along with the 7. The mafia love him for a reason, he has promised them 2 things- he will uphold IKs disqualification and any rigging allegations to stop IK and the PTI win will be thrown out( thus the desperation to wait until October). Its not even a secret, they say it openly. IA he becomes a Qazi that fears Allah and not the mafia

he provided trail and has posted his assets online.

as usual, you will be wrong, and after two years you will be caling yourselve naive.

 

[wasim-fan]

Question is. Is PTI over ? Or the army will let it live to keep an alternative?

 

[saeedhk]

Question is. Is PTI over ? Or the army will let it live to keep an alternative?

It is over!No doubt!

 

[MenInG]

It is over!No doubt!

You change your mind every 2 days - lets wait a bit.

 

[Savak]

Imran has not been mentioning Fawad Chaudhry in his tweets or even sharing his pics but has been for all the other leaders. Fawad has also secured bail and is now at home with his family and totally silent.

Apparently pti is unhappy that he signed on the assurance that he will be granted bail in exchange for not participating in any political rallies going forward for the time being without consulting IK. SMQ and Asad Umar have been offered similar deals but they are standing firm and are taking the position that we will prefer to be locked up indefinitely rather than signing on something totally undemocratic and in violation of our fundamental rights.

Tough times reveal who is indeed loyal to your party, idealogy and who really has only joined you for their selfish self interests.

 

[Savak]

Zaman Park is now totally under the control of the Punjab police. IK still has his private security but they are not that many. Zero political workers and PTI supporters now.

PDM and the establishment is now in the driving seat to do anything ie plant fake evidence or stage a fake encounter, to keep tabs of who he is meeting and to prevent his workers, supporters to come to his rescue.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">25 Pakistanis martyred, 700 Pakistanis injured with gunshot wounds, 7,500 Pakistanis unlawfully incarcerated, almost the entire leadership of Pakistan’s largest political party abducted & illegally detained - But still the ideology of “Haqeeqi Azadi” lives on in the hearts of… <a href="https://t.co/R0lFtm1uyQ">pic.twitter.com/R0lFtm1uyQ</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1660642548585512961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2023</a></blockquote>
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[the Great Khan]

Zaman Park is now totally under the control of the Punjab police. IK still has his private security but they are not that many. Zero political workers and PTI supporters now.

PDM and the establishment is now in the driving seat to do anything ie plant fake evidence or stage a fake encounter, to keep tabs of who he is meeting and to prevent his workers, supporters to come to his rescue.

It is always darkest before the dawn.

 

[shaz619]

God is always with Imran Khan, nothing else matters

 

[the Great Khan]

God is always with Imran Khan, nothing else matters

Yup. God is testing him. And his troops. Either way Khan has already won.

 

[MenInG]

Change in Punjab leadership