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ICC World Cup 2023: Sri Lanka (160/2) extend England's (156) win-less streak with a humiliating 8-wicket win in Match 25

I’m sure ENG will come back stronger next WC. One reason is that it’s in SAF - one of the least spin friendly among WC venues.

But the main reason is that, England was stuck in the trap of continuity - they had a very successful LO squad and that team delivered as well (2 World titles), but problem with such generation is that they age together, too big figures to be dropped and players don’t retire either voluntarily. This is something we see regularly in soccer as well - that wonderful French & Spanish teams, Italy of 2010, Germany 2018/22…

This English team has some highly successful LO cricketers but at the wrong side of career - Butler 33, Moeen 36, Stokes 33, Malan 36/7, Johnny 33, most of the pacers around early to mid 30s, Adil 35+, Root 33 …. Few experienced players are good for a WC squad, but it’s a daddy’s army, if not grandpa’s!!!

I believe 7/8 players will retire after WC, few will be dropped and few average players (but excelled in patches) will be phased out - by 2027, they’ll be in a much better shape than 2023 squad.
 
WengerOut said:
No wonder @Aman is drooling over Rugby WC. NZ has gone down to third in this WC table. Next match is against Aus. Just in case things go South for them, he has the fallback. " We dont care about this boring WC. We are Rugby people "..
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Didn't know there was a rugby WC going on.

NZ are very good in Rugby. They are the Aussies of Rugby. So, can't blame Aman.
 
England an ageing side. Time to refreshen up. This is the last of Adil and Moeen, Malan and few others. England needs to rebuild the ODI team.
 
MMHS said:
I’m sure ENG will come back stronger next WC. One reason is that it’s in SAF - one of the least spin friendly among WC venues.

But the main reason is that, England was stuck in the trap of continuity - they had a very successful LO squad and that team delivered as well (2 World titles), but problem with such generation is that they age together, too big figures to be dropped and players don’t retire either voluntarily. This is something we see regularly in soccer as well - that wonderful French & Spanish teams, Italy of 2010, Germany 2018/22…

This English team has some highly successful LO cricketers but at the wrong side of career - Butler 33, Moeen 36, Stokes 33, Malan 36/7, Johnny 33, most of the pacers around early to mid 30s, Adil 35+, Root 33 …. Few experienced players are good for a WC squad, but it’s a daddy’s army, if not grandpa’s!!!

I believe 7/8 players will retire after WC, few will be dropped and few average players (but excelled in patches) will be phased out - by 2027, they’ll be in a much better shape than 2023 squad.
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South African pitches should suit England.

But, then again, England should have nobody from the golden generation (Bairstow, Stokes, Butler etc.). They may not do as well as they did in 2019 WC.
 
kron said:
They don't have hasaranga and chameera either. I am pretty positive they would have smashed us if them 2 and lahiru all played together.
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They would have smashed even with this squad had they planned a little better - someone like Angelo in middle order could have stopped the rot, which led them to “decent” 344, instead of 384, at least from like 218/2 after 29 overs.
 
WengerOut said:
No wonder @Aman is drooling over Rugby WC. NZ has gone down to third in this WC table. Next match is against Aus. Just in case things go South for them, he has the fallback. " We dont care about this boring WC. We are Rugby people "..
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And India were won the game against NZ where NZ centurion was played selfish innings according to NZ commie
@Aman was that true :shh ?
 
Mamoon said:
I didn't want to do this but sometimes, people force my hand I have to show them their level just like Kohli and Rohit showed Rauf his level.






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This was in January 2023, and I am pleasantly surprised by how England has been decimated this World Cup.

I am not the one claiming “I am three steps ahead of every poster here”.

You have been a staunch England supporter, everyone here knows this. Your posts crying about Archer not playing were as good as excuses when England got smashed by South Africa in their last game.

This post above is just you crying about the inclusion of a player you don’t like in the England ODI team and once again making excuses for their average performances.

You did not have England down as one of the favorites for this World Cup?
 
Just realised if Sri Lanka win with a better run rate today, they will have more realistic chance to qualify than Pakistan.
Sri Lanka will swap place with Pakistan to go to number 5 while England will be at last.
 
MMHS said:
I’m sure ENG will come back stronger next WC. One reason is that it’s in SAF - one of the least spin friendly among WC venues.

But the main reason is that, England was stuck in the trap of continuity - they had a very successful LO squad and that team delivered as well (2 World titles), but problem with such generation is that they age together, too big figures to be dropped and players don’t retire either voluntarily. This is something we see regularly in soccer as well - that wonderful French & Spanish teams, Italy of 2010, Germany 2018/22…

This English team has some highly successful LO cricketers but at the wrong side of career - Butler 33, Moeen 36, Stokes 33, Malan 36/7, Johnny 33, most of the pacers around early to mid 30s, Adil 35+, Root 33 …. Few experienced players are good for a WC squad, but it’s a daddy’s army, if not grandpa’s!!!

I believe 7/8 players will retire after WC, few will be dropped and few average players (but excelled in patches) will be phased out - by 2027, they’ll be in a much better shape than 2023 squad.
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Oh great! Next CWC in South Africa! I love cricket tournaments in SA, first proper memory was 2003, some the grounds are beautiful, nice atmosphere.

On the England Players age. Some of them have to go after this cwc and some will have to go after next champions trophy. By the next CWC we might see a complete different look.
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Just realised if Sri Lanka win with a better run rate today, they will have more realistic chance to qualify than Pakistan.
Sri Lanka will swap place with Pakistan to go to number 5 while England will be at last.
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SL have already lost 3. They are yet to play NZ and India.

For SL, number of losses is a bigger issue than NRR.
 
India is place where true test of batsman or bowler happened due to all the types of conditions .they have to adapt the different conditions at each Venue for The whole world cup .NZ is the team who have always access the condition better than anyone
 
Nissanka 50 from 53 balls, he has been in some touch this WC after scoring a duck in the first game
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sweep_shot said:
SL have already lost 3. They are yet to play NZ and India.

For SL, number of losses is a bigger issue than NRR.
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So what? Even Pakistan are yet to face RSA, New Zealand, England.
Sri Lankans are better placed than Pakistan. They will jump to 5th spot after this match while Pakistan will be at 6th. England will at 10th.
 
Devadwal said:
India is place where true test of batsman or bowler happened due to all the types of conditions .they have to adapt the different conditions at each Venue for The whole world cup .NZ is the team who have always access the condition better than anyone
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Mate they’re all flat now, every location lmao. Stop hyping your highways.
 
Devadwal said:
India is place where true test of batsman or bowler happened due to all the types of conditions .they have to adapt the different conditions at each Venue for The whole world cup .NZ is the team who have always access the condition better than anyone
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They are smart cookies.
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
So what? Even Pakistan are yet to face RSA, New Zealand, England.
Sri Lankans are better placed than Pakistan. They will jump to 5th spot after this match while Pakistan will be at 6th. England will at 10th.
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Looks like you haven't checked the points table or something.

SL have lost 3 already and are yet to face India and NZ. SL are most likely out of the WC even if they win here.

Don't just look at current positions. Look at the upcoming games too.
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Just realised if Sri Lanka win with a better run rate today, they will have more realistic chance to qualify than Pakistan.
Sri Lanka will swap place with Pakistan to go to number 5 while England will be at last.
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In the first page of this thread I put my money on SL to be the 4th team

Their last games are against NZ and India, both of whom may already have qualified by then and may rest their best players
 
sweep_shot said:
Looks like you haven't checked the points table or something.

SL have lost 3 already and are yet to face India and NZ. SL are most likely out of the WC already even if they win here.

Don't just look at current positions. Look at the upcoming games too.
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Yes you're right, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and England are almost out. Only if Australia and New zealand manage to lose all the games........
 
LongHorn said:
In the first page of this thread I put my money on SL to be the 4th team

Their last games are against NZ and India, both of whom may already have qualified by then and may rest their best players
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India will definately try their Bench against Sri Lanka, but even that team will be stronger than some other teams.
 
sweep_shot said:
Looks like you haven't checked the points table or something.

SL have lost 3 already and are yet to face India and NZ. SL are most likely out of the WC even if they win here.
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India and NZ may rest their best players if they qualify by the time they meet SL
 
Just because England failed to score 300 plus it means the pitch is tricky? I didn’t see the first innings but from what some posters said here, England player bad shots.

England also were out for less than 180 on a highway against SA. England just batting poorly.
Devadwal said:
Sour grapes .today pitch is batting highway? All the ground have difference type of pitch and conditions . When you can't play then blame the pitch is easiest way .
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Was Eng 2019 WC squad a HTB team? After 99, I think this is the first stance of WC holders going home after the first round....

I.e. holders not proceeding to knock outs.
 
Mas-LFC said:
Just because England failed to score 300 plus it means the pitch is tricky? I didn’t see the first innings but from what some posters said here, England player bad shots.

England also were out for less than 180 on a highway against SA. England just batting poorly.
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This is slow pitch anyone know about cricket is can understand .
Doesn't matter for who don't know about conditions .
 
nish_mate said:
Was Eng 2019 WC squad a HTB team? After 99, I think this is the first stance of WC holders going home after the first round....

I.e. holders not proceeding to knock outs.
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I don't think that was a HTB team. They were very good then.

This team is missing Jason Roy, Eoin Morgan, and Jofra Archer. Also, some of those 2019 stars are now past their peaks.
 
Sri Lanka have the youngest team, except Mathews who I don’t think anyone else is 33+ yo. They have good pacers, tricky spinners, many are injured couldnt make it to this CWC. One thing for sure, Sri Lanka will be one of the favourites for the next CWC world cup. They might be one of the favourites for next champions trophy too!
 
sweep_shot said:
I don't think that was a HTB team. They were very good then.

This team is missing Jason Roy, Eoin Morgan, and Jofra Archer. Also, some of those 2019 stars are now past their peaks.
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Don't think they are good in subcontinent. They can bring any team. SA players were good in IPL too. QDK knows some grounds inside out So is Warner. That is a massive advantage for them. Maxwell too. This is why buttler batting down the order makes no sense. He us the most successful English batsman in the IPL
 
Before the match Ravi shastri said during pitch report " this is going to be slow pitch compare to Australia - Pakistan game ."
 
sweep_shot said:
I don't think that was a HTB team. They were very good then.

This team is missing Jason Roy, Eoin Morgan, and Jofra Archer. Also, some of those 2019 stars are now past their peaks.
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Fair enough, i take your point. I think Roy isnt the same batsman anymore however still was sacrficed for the messiah, Morgan the captain yes is being missed, Buttler isnt in the same league as a captain. Archer yes is a big miss, but then on these India pitches chances are he would be tonked like Wood or Rauf.

It was a mistake carrying Stokes, chaps occupying a slot for not a lot of return.
 
I like watching Nissanka. Little pocket rocket. Shows you don’t have to be 6ft plus and be massively built to hit boundaries. Any decent strong wrist and forearm, good balance and decent technique, play proper cricketing shots! Chose shots wisely, you’ll get results. Something the BD batsmen need to learn from!
 
Australia smartly scheduled a ODI series in India right before the world cup. It helped them bounce back on a short notice.
 
Mas-LFC said:
I like watching Nissanka. Little pocket rocket. Shows you don’t have to be 6ft plus and be massively built to hit boundaries. Any decent strong wrist and forearm, good balance and decent technique, play proper cricketing shots! Chose shots wisely, you’ll get results. Something the BD batsmen need to learn from!
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Srilankans are very very strong physically. I don't think BD batsmen are that strong. Jaya and Kalu both short. But forearm of Jayasuriya was bigger than Agarkar legs
 
owenhcricket said:
@Mamoon can be soundly defeated, he is just a pakistani hating troll.

The only fault he finds in the England side is Ali (I'm no fan of his but he is hardly the only problem). Apparently Mark Wood averaging almost 40 with the ball isn't a problem, or Stokes being brought into the side on last minute notice isn't the problem, or not grooming a fast bowler to replace Archer isn't the problem, or Johnny not knowing how to build an innings isnt the problem, or dropping Roy...I could go on and on.

the only problem is Moeen Ali.

Someone tell the troll Moeen Ali is only quarter pakistani :p
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The fact that you are calling me a troll and proceed to juxtapose Moeen with Mark Wood, Stokes, and Bairstow shows your ignorance.

Mark Wood was England's second-best bowler during their triumphant World Cup 4 years ago. Stokes was England's best player by a mile, and Bairstow stood up for England in big moments.

Moeen was a liability and had to be kicked out of the World Cup for England to get their campaign on track. He did nothing in ODIs over the last 4 years and the fact that he is still on the team shows that England has not learned.

The 2019 World Cup should have been his last ODI assignment.

As far as Roy is concerned, he would have done nothing on these pitches. He struggles on slow wickets. Had he played and failed, people would have said England made a mistake by selecting an out-of-form player. Hindsight is always a luxury but foresight is your responsibility.
 
sweep_shot said:
Looks like you haven't checked the points table or something.

SL have lost 3 already and are yet to face India and NZ. SL are most likely out of the WC even if they win here.

Don't just look at current positions. Look at the upcoming games too.
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Srilanka displaced Pakistan to go on 5th spot. England 9th.
 
Usman Chadda said:
This was in January 2023, and I am pleasantly surprised by how England has been decimated this World Cup.

I am not the one claiming “I am three steps ahead of every poster here”.

You have been a staunch England supporter, everyone here knows this. Your posts crying about Archer not playing were as good as excuses when England got smashed by South Africa in their last game.

This post above is just you crying about the inclusion of a player you don’t like in the England ODI team and once again making excuses for their average performances.

You did not have England down as one of the favorites for this World Cup?
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Your ignorance is always exposed but this is not the first time. Your chest-thumping prior to the 2018 Asia Cup cannot be forgotten either.

Calling England the best ODI team in the world in Jan 2023 and when they have been struggling in the format by their standards since 2021 and ahead of India in terms of favorites for the 2023 World Cup shows that you are out of touch with reality.

You came all guns blazing like Rauf but quickly cowered after I dug up your posts that you had forgotten or thought everyone else would forget.

I'm sorry I had to expose you like this but I had no choice. No offence.
 
cricenjoyer said:
Just goes to show how good Rizwan's innings was.

Sri Lanka have a decent attack so to score 130 when chasing is a testament his ability
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This is not the attack pak faced. They faced a bunch 20 year Olds who didn't know what to do. This is a more experienced unit. No Rajitha, No Kumara, No Matthews
 
WengerOut said:
No wonder @Aman is drooling over Rugby WC. NZ has gone down to third in this WC table. Next match is against Aus. Just in case things go South for them, he has the fallback. " We dont care about this boring WC. We are Rugby people "..
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SAF probably will again win the Rugby one - they were the second best team in this WC (behind host France), but best France in QF. All Blacks are always a force in Rugby, but they are actually 4th best team currently after France, Ireland, South Africa.

Interesting thing, France & NZ; Ireland & SAF were grouped together and both France, Ireland won their group games, but lost the QF to runners up of other group.
 
SRL smashing Poms actually pulls us one more slot up✌🏻

Should we call it an upset?
 
MMHS said:
SAF probably will again win the Rugby one - they were the second best team in this WC (behind host France), but best France in QF. All Blacks are always a force in Rugby, but they are actually 4th best team currently after France, Ireland, South Africa.

Interesting thing, France & NZ; Ireland & SAF were grouped together and both France, Ireland won their group games, but lost the QF to runners up of other group.
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I have no objection to all these 😃.. I was just alluding to his tendency to bring Rugby into a cricket forum just to spite cricket or coping a NZ setback. Even i love my football more than cricket. But i dont come here to romanticize its global popularity over cricket.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Srilankans are very very strong physically. I don't think BD batsmen are that strong. Jaya and Kalu both short. But forearm of Jayasuriya was bigger than Agarkar legs
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Definitely true. Bangladeshi batsman are weaker, do not have strong arms, they have poor diet throughout the year even during series and tournaments, most of them love daal bhaat aka rice. Not only they lack temperament and application, they also lack stamina, desire to score big runs. Most of them get easily satisfied with any little early fame and success!
 
Mas-LFC said:
Definitely true. Bangladeshi batsman are weaker, do not have strong arms, they have poor diet throughout the year even during series and tournaments, most of them love daal bhaat aka rice. Not only they lack temperament and application, they also lack stamina, desire to score big runs. Most of them get easily satisfied with any little early fame and success!
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Fish is their main source of protein. I have had srilankan tamil as my classmates. The sheer strength of him is unbelievable. He broke a table in.one punch. Lol
 
cricenjoyer said:
Just goes to show how good Rizwan's innings was.

Sri Lanka have a decent attack so to score 130 when chasing is a testament his ability
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Yup haters in a conundrum.

Either SL bowling was way better than the haters described to undermine Rizwan's performance, and Pakistan's record breaking WC chase, OR, England are worse than Pakistan in this WC.

Lose/Lose for the haters now.
 
Srilankans are both fearless and reckless lol when it comes off they are very good. This is where a guy like Matthew's will be useful.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Fish is their main source of protein. I have had srilankan tamil as my classmates. The sheer strength of him is unbelievable. He broke a table in.one punch. Lol
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Bangladeshis eat everything halal that is, fish, chicken, meat. But the thing growing up most of these players come from underprivileged backgrounds many from rural sides, maybe only ate meat few times a year, their diet is heavily on simple stuffs, lacked many basic nutritions. Hence why when they’re older in adulthood lack the strength and stamina. The issue is in BD cricket is that kids from upper middle class or well off backgrounds do not take up cricket as career hence why bd is suffering to find players with proper mentality and desire to archive more instead of being easily satisfied making few k’s a month, having some success. I remember after last world cup Liton Das did a parade in his home town. LMAO
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Fish is their main source of protein. I have had srilankan tamil as my classmates. The sheer strength of him is unbelievable. He broke a table in.one punch. Lol
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Not fish bro, Bengalis in either side of border also eat lots of fish - but very soft tissue sweet water carps. Lankans eat sea fish and less rice. Sea fish actually is a better protein source than red meat - I saw few pictures of Liverpool’s training camp diet - no meat, not even chicken, no sugar and no rice!!!! But they had at least 5-6 different servings of fish.

Now, we have a longer coast line, but nawabzadas of Bangladesh don’t eat sea fish at all 😆
 
MMHS said:
I’m sure ENG will come back stronger next WC. One reason is that it’s in SAF - one of the least spin friendly among WC venues.

But the main reason is that, England was stuck in the trap of continuity - they had a very successful LO squad and that team delivered as well (2 World titles), but problem with such generation is that they age together, too big figures to be dropped and players don’t retire either voluntarily. This is something we see regularly in soccer as well - that wonderful French & Spanish teams, Italy of 2010, Germany 2018/22…

This English team has some highly successful LO cricketers but at the wrong side of career - Butler 33, Moeen 36, Stokes 33, Malan 36/7, Johnny 33, most of the pacers around early to mid 30s, Adil 35+, Root 33 …. Few experienced players are good for a WC squad, but it’s a daddy’s army, if not grandpa’s!!!

I believe 7/8 players will retire after WC, few will be dropped and few average players (but excelled in patches) will be phased out - by 2027, they’ll be in a much better shape than 2023 squad.
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Good Analysis! (y)
 
Mas-LFC said:
Bangladeshis eat everything halal that is, fish, chicken, meat. But the thing growing up most of these players come from underprivileged backgrounds many from rural sides, maybe only ate meat few times a year, their diet is heavily on simple stuffs, lacked many basic nutritions. Hence why when they’re older in adulthood lack the strength and stamina. The issue is in BD cricket is that kids from upper middle class or well off backgrounds do not take up cricket as career hence why bd is suffering to find players with proper mentality and desire to archive more instead of being easily satisfied making few k’s a month, having some success. I remember after last world cup Liton Das did a parade in his home town. LMAO
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West Indians have all the power they need. But they look to use power rather than timing. It has to be a combination of both. No substitute for hardwork.. you can get physically better at any age. GIll is an example.
 
Sri Lanka produced a dominant performance to beat England by eight wickets in Bengaluru on Thursday at the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup, wrapping up the win with 24.2 overs of their chase to spare.

The result means that England’s defence of their World Cup crown is effectively over, with Jos Buttler’s team needing to win all of their remaining results, produce a huge swing in net run rate and see other results go their way to stand any chance of reaching the semi-finals.

As disappointing as the defending champions were in Bengaluru, Sri Lanka were right on the money, ripping through the England attack with some excellent bowling performances from Maheesh Theekshana and the recalled pair of Lahiru Kumara and Angelo Mattews.

And they reached their lowly target of just 157 to win thanks to outstanding half-centuries from Pathum Nissanka and Sadeera Samarawickrama.

England were offered a glimmer of hope when David Willey struck twice in the opening Powerplay to remove both Kusal Perera and Kusal Mendis.

Willey's impressive opening spell threatened to stunt Sri Lanka's chase, but Nissanka and Samarawickrama counterattacked to leave the Lankans in an exceptionally strong position.

And the pair put together a match-winning century stand, consolidating at first before accelerating to the win, giving their team a huge net run rate boost in the process.

Match 25: England 156 (33.2 overs) v Sri Lanka

The coin fell in the favour of England skipper Buttler and he elected to bat first, confirming three changes with Liam Livingstone, Chris Woakes, and Moeen Ali returning at the expense of Harry Brook, Gus Atkinson and the injured Reece Topley.

But the Kusal Mendis-led side ran through England's top and middle-order in Bengaluru to bowl them out for 156 - the lowest all-out total ever in an ODI in Bengaluru.

Kumara (3/35), Mathews (2/14), and Rajitha (2/36) were the top wicket-takers, while Theekshana tied England in knots. The Lankans also benefitted from some sharp work in the field, which included two run outs.

As usual, Dilshan Madushanka was right on the mark with the new ball. In fact, he could've had a wicket off the very first delivery of the game. Jonny Bairstow smashed the ball down long-on but later it turned out that it had hit the pad first and had Sri Lanka reviewed the batter would've been dismissed lbw.

The England openers then took off in their characteristic aggressive fashion. However, a double strike from Sri Lanka stifled their scoring rate. Dawid Malan nicked one behind the wicket to Angelo Mathews, who picked a wicket in his very first over. This was the first time, Mathews was bowling in an ODI since 2020. A mix-up between the batters saw Joe Root falling short of the ground in the 10th over.

England lost track after the first Powerplay, as Sri Lanka pacers got the ball to swerve around. Bairstow couldn't make the most of his early luck, and went for an aggressive shot towards the on-side against Kasun Rajitha and was taken at mid-on. Captain Jos Buttler fell when he had a go at a wide delivery from Lahiru Kumara and was snapped brilliantly by his opposite number, Mendis, behind the wicket.

England's returning batter Liam Livingstone was trapped leg-before soon after, again by Kumara. Ben Stokes survived a couple of close calls, to stay at the wicket. He managed to stitch together a small stand with Moeen Ali for the sixth wicket.

But just as things seemed to be normalising for England, Ali was dismissed by Angelo Mathews. All England hopes now rested on Ben Stokes.

The all-rounder tried to lift the England spirits with some intent-driven batting.

However, Sri Lanka kept striking at crucial stages and went on to bowl out England by the 34th over. This included a brilliant run-out by skipper Kusal Mendis to send back Adil Rashid. Mendis collected one down the leg-side and then quickly noticed that Rashid was outside his crease at the non-strikers' end. The keeper then ran him out with a splendid throw.

Source: ICC
 
Mamoon said:
The fact that you are calling me a troll and proceed to juxtapose Moeen with Mark Wood, Stokes, and Bairstow shows your ignorance.

Mark Wood was England's second-best bowler during their triumphant World Cup 4 years ago. Stokes was England's best player by a mile, and Bairstow stood up for England in big moments.

Moeen was a liability and had to be kicked out of the World Cup for England to get their campaign on track. He did nothing in ODIs over the last 4 years and the fact that he is still on the team shows that England has not learned.

The 2019 World Cup should have been his last ODI assignment.

As far as Roy is concerned, he would have done nothing on these pitches. He struggles on slow wickets. Had he played and failed, people would have said England made a mistake by selecting an out-of-form player. Hindsight is always a luxury but foresight is your responsibility.
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England have been poor with or without Moeen in this world cup. Today Moeen only bowled 3 overs and batted at 7, hardly the cause of loss. Although I do agree he is ordinary just like quite few of England players
 
Pak in 2011
England in 2019
Kenya in 2003

all three Teams were Played Semis only once in 21st century in 50 over WC
 
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