India (329, 286) defeat England (134, 164) by 317 runs to win 2nd Test; Series level at 1-1

[MP2011]

ashwins hundred was even better than rohits

No, it wasn't.

 

[pillionrider]

No its Ashwin. Poor decision.

Yeah agree. I mean it's hard not to give it to him but sometimes better sense should prevail. Like when Sachin chased a record total vs England with a century, they gave Sehwag MoM for his battering 80 odd.

 

[Mean&Green]

No, it wasn't.

Batted all the way through with the tail team was 202-7 took them to 286 plus they were 106-6 when he came could have gotten out and team would only have scored barely 300 as we know how good India’s tail is which wouldn’t have batted England out of the game.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Well it was clean ball striking don’t need to be so bitter had all of England’s player done the same thing atleast they would have gotten much closer to the total

Very bitter especially considering we thrashed England and by 300 + runs no less. Especially when a mediocre cricketer plays a few fluke shots while losing.

 

[Mean&Green]

The only one bitter over here is you over India thrashing England and Ashwin not hugging brother Moeen.

Who is Moeen Ali? Why should anyone hug him? Is he a teddy bear

It’s called sportsmanship why would I be bitter lol I couldn’t care less india played way better won the toss and won the game it’s 1-1 anyways good luck in the next one.

 

[MP2011]

Yeah agree. I mean it's hard not to give it to him but sometimes better sense should prevail. Like when Sachin chased a record total vs England with a century, they gave Sehwag MoM for his battering 80 odd.

Was this to cater to Ashwin's home crowd?

 

[Mean&Green]

Very bitter especially considering we thrashed England and by 300 + runs no less. Especially when a mediocre cricketer plays a few fluke shots while losing.

Well he is a mediocre cricketer despite having scored a hundred in India and being picked by the best player in the world in his T20 team as well.

 

[pillionrider]

It’s called sportsmanship why would I be bitter lol I couldn’t care less india played way better won the toss and won the game it’s 1-1 anyways good luck in the next one.

From bringing up some IPL heroics of brother Moeen (that I had to google) who's been a waste investment for my city team RCB otherwise, to crying because Ashwin didn't hug him and only shook his hand.

You've lost it.

)

Here's some advice - don't get too excited when India lose next time. It will end in heartache

 

[pillionrider]

Was this to cater to Ashwin's home crowd?

Yeah probably. Think they didn't have the guts to disappoint the crowd that had turned up post-Covid.

 

[Mean&Green]

From bringing up some IPL heroics of brother Moeen (that I had to google) who's been a waste investment for my city team RCB otherwise, to crying because Ashwin didn't hug him and only shook his hand.

You've lost it.

)

Here's some advice - don't get too excited when India lose next time. It will end in heartache

He traumatized kuldeep enough despite being a waste anyways I’ve never gotten heartache from india they lose quite often to give Indian fans more heartache than Pakistanis.

 

[Ab Fan]

Stokes is a great. He will hit a 100 next test.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Or maybe its just because they both play at RCB perhaps.

No Virat is good with Pakistan players as well.
If you needle him or some of his team mates.. you will get it back with full force.

 

[King_Kohli]

Too bad couldn't watch it live!
What a comeback.

 

[Robert]

Played India, Rohit and Ashwin particularly.

Now on to the pink ball test, and the side may be -

Crawley
Sibley
Bairstow
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Woakes
Leach
Broad
Anderson

 

[Robert]

Yeah probably. Think they didn't have the guts to disappoint the crowd that had turned up post-Covid.

Post-COVID? It hasn’t gone away.

 

[Robert]

Well he is a mediocre cricketer despite having scored a hundred in India and being picked by the best player in the world in his T20 team as well.

Two hundreds in India.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Wow Ashwin ...Veera Tamilian...Kalekki Vittay....Matlab - tehelka machaya - caused a commotion...awesome ....

 

[Hyperion66]

Ashwin continues to dominate in India , he is a monster on Indian pitches , possibly he will end as biggest spinner in India all time , ahead of Kumble , Harbhajan , Prassana , Bedi , Chandrasekhar etc

He is already our greatest spinner of all time. I will not let nostalgia clouding my judgement and say he is better than Kumble, rest were never at his level.

 

[King_Kohli]

Spinners in this Test

India: 17/237 in 95.1 overs (ER 2.49)
England: 15/449 in 137 overs (ER 3.27)

 

[James]

Played India, Rohit and Ashwin particularly.

Now on to the pink ball test, and the side may be -

Crawley
Sibley
Bairstow
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Woakes
Leach
Broad
Anderson

Agreed. Well played India. Smashed us.

Your pink ball team for me is almost spot on, but there is no extreme pace in the lineup. Therefore is arguable that Wood would come in for either Woakes or Broad.

EDIT: Wood to be selected instead of Broad. Woakes offers a fair amount with the bat as well as the ball.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

England's spinners are not that good. Expecting much better performance from England in day night test.

 

[MenInG]

It took India just over a session to wrap up proceedings in the second Test in Chennai and seal a huge 317-run win against England – it was a victory that boosted their chances of making it to the ICC World Test Championship final.

England were bowled out for 164 in their second innings, with Axar Patel taking a five-wicket haul on debut. There was brief resistance from Joe Root and Moeen Ali, but by and large, the Indian spinners ran riot, bringing up a much-needed victory to draw level 1-1 in the series, and move up to No.2 in the World Test Championship standings.

The defeat meant England, who were leading the table, slipped all the way down to fourth in the standings. They have only one avenue left to make it to the final – they have the daunting task of needing to win the remaining two Tests in Ahmedabad, and take the series 3-1.

The visitors resumed the fourth morning 53/3, facing the improbable task of chasing down 482. Dan Lawrence and Root, the overnight batsmen, employed different methods to tackle the spinners – Lawrence used his feet to get to the pitch of the ball, while Root, an excellent sweeper of the ball, repeatedly employed the stroke to find runs.

Unfortunately for England, it didn’t take long for the opening wicket. Six overs into the day, Lawrence stepped out to Ashwin, but was confounded by an off-break that nutmegged him. Pant was excellent to gather down leg and break the stumps, and India had their first of the day.

Ben Stokes came in thereafter, and resisted India alongside Root. They put on 24 for the fifth wicket, in what was England’s longest partnership of the day, but Ashwin was again at it, dismissing Stokes a second time in the match as the batsman inside-edged one onto his pads, gifting a catch to Virat Kohli at second slip. Ollie Pope and Ben Foakes fell within a few overs of each other, Axar and Kuldeep Yadav claiming the wicket, and England were reduced to 116/7 by Lunch.

It didn’t take India long after the restart to nip England out. Axar had Root dismissed, prompting the England captain forward to one that leapt off the surface, enough to catch his glove and pop to slip. He quickly followed that up with the scalp of Olly Stone, and with just one wicket remaining, Moeen adopted a carefree approach and went after the spinners.

He scored an entertaining 18-ball 43, hitting five sixes and three fours, but it only served to delay the inevitable – Kuldeep had him stumped and India had their victory.

 

[globalcitizen]

Oh please kohli this is why you are so fake as a person man said Toss wouldn’t have mattered what a ridiculous and pathetic statement he would have been saying the opposite if India had lost the toss. He on many occasions has blamed the toss on his losses and now he’s saying it wouldn’t have mattered just cause his team won

Nothing wrong in his assessment. The pitch was offering assistance to bowlers from day1. so india would have been in the game.
The first test it’s just a batting strip and until wicket wears out nothing for the fielding team. England kept playing until 3rd day says it all. How can other team even come back?

 

[MenInG]

Virat Kohli lauded India's supreme batting effort against England under challenging conditions after his side drew level in the series with a thumping 317-run win in Chennai on Tuesday.

Kohli downplayed the effect of the toss and added that the batsmen did not crumble under pressure in the second Test. "The conditions were challenging for both sides, but we showed more application with the bat. We didn't panic out there looking at the turn and bounce. We know our bowlers would do the job for us if we put up the runs," Kohli said after India bowled out England for 164 in the second innings."

"The toss wouldn't have mattered much in this game to be honest, because if you looked at our second innings, we got 300 as well. It wasn't unfair if the toss went either way. Both teams should be in the game from the first session onwards, whether it is on spinning to seaming tracks, and that exactly was the case in this game," Kohli added.

'Knowledgeable Chennai crowd'

Kohli welcomed the return of the Chepauk crowd while admitting that the lack of fans affected the Indian side's intensity in the first Test. Kohli said: "It was a bit strange in the first game to be playing at home with empty stands. We were pretty flat on the first two days over there to be pretty honest, myself included, didn't pick up energy on the field. The crowds make a big difference, this game was an example of the grit and determination this side shows and the crowd is a big part of that. Chennai crowd are very intelligent, they understand their cricket really well."

Kohli also commended on Rishabh Pant's efforts to develop into the role as India's first-choice wicketkeeper. "Rishabh Pant has really worked hard in Australia, when he moves with the gloves you can see the difference in his reactions. He has shed a lot of weight and has worked hard on himself. We want him to keep improving as a keeper because we know the value he brings to the team," Kohli added.

The 32-year-old also praised left-arm spinner Axar Patel who was instrumental in England's second-innings as he became the ninth Indian to scalp a fifer on debut.

"It is a very, very special moment for Axar. He would've played the first game as well if he didn't have that niggle. Hope he builds on from here, he has an important couple of games ahead.

Kohli who was dismissed for a five ball duck in the first innings, resurrected India's batting in the second alongside Ravichandran Ashwin's ton with a half-century. "I take a lot of pride in improving myself and correcting my mistakes quickly. If I make an error, I make sure I iron it out in the next innings. Ashwin batted outstandingly well and that partnership between us was very crucial," he added.

The Indian captain was also wary of the potent English side ahead of the Pink Ball Test in Ahmedabad. "Ahmedabad is going to be challenging. This England side has quality players and we need to be on our 'A' game throughout," the skipper added.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...d-vs-eng-2nd-test-chepauk/article33849957.ece

 

[MenInG]

England skipper Joe Root credited an all-round Indian performance that blew away the visitor to a 317-run loss in the second Test in Chennai on Tuesday.

"Credit to India, they outplayed us in all three departments. It has been an education for us. You could come up with conditions like these and we have to learn from this and find a way to score runs," Root said after England suffered its biggest defeat on Asian soil.

Root added that his side lacked intensity with the ball while also insisting that England could have played an extra spinner. "We need to learn to build pressure and bowl six balls at one batsman. On day one we could have been a bit tighter, squeeze the game a bit more and make it harder for them to score. From day two it was a very difficult wicket to bat on. But we have got to be smarter about how we're building an innings."

"We could've played that extra spinner, it is always easy to look at balancing a side at the end of the game. It will be different again when we turn up for the third game," said Root.

The England skipper also lauded the efforts of England's fresh faces for the second Test. "Moeen got better with the ball as the game went on, and we know how destructive he can be with the bat. Ben Foakes batted really well in the first innings and his keeping has always been excellent. There are definitely things we can take from this week and it is just important that we stay level as a team. We performed last week and we have got to learn quickly."

The skipper, who observed a rare failure with the bat with scores of 6 and 33 is, however, looking forward to the Pink Ball Test in
"Ahmedabad will be very different, we have played only two pink ball games so far. One with the Kookabura in Australia and with the Dukes back home. It looks like a fantastic venue, really looking forward to that," Root added.

India and England will meet in Ahmedabad on February 24 for the third Test of the four-match series

Ahmedabad despite England's limited experience with the same.https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...hepauk-virat-kohli-ashwin/article33849504.ece

 

[Manunited18]

Played India, Rohit and Ashwin particularly.

Now on to the pink ball test, and the side may be -

Crawley
Sibley
Bairstow
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Woakes
Leach
Broad
Anderson

2 changes for me, Archer/stone for broad, and moeen for Leach as he offers more with the bat as to many in the top to middle order are not scoring and the wickets for the remaining 2 tests will take spin no doubt.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Lol how does a 160 in one innings trump ashwins 8 wickets and 106?

Cos he tilted the game in indias favor big time.

They made a wrong call.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Played India, Rohit and Ashwin particularly.

Now on to the pink ball test, and the side may be -

Crawley
Sibley
Bairstow
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Woakes
Leach
Broad
Anderson

No Olly Stone? I thought he was fab in the 2nd test. .....I feel his brand of skiddy bowling is just want eng need in cold wintry conditions especially with the dew and all,....much better served than Broad who is bascially a bang it into the pitch kind of bowler....what say ?

 

[Varun]

Enjoyed my Pizza in the stands, as I watched England get annihilated.

 

[Mean&Green]

Enjoyed my Pizza in the stands, as I watched England get annihilated.

Damn bro that looks like a day well spent nice stuff you’re South Indian ?

 

[Varun]

Damn bro that looks like a day well spent nice stuff you’re South Indian ?

Yep. Fund day out in the sun today.

 

[Robert]

Agreed. Well played India. Smashed us.

Your pink ball team for me is almost spot on, but there is no extreme pace in the lineup. Therefore is arguable that Wood would come in for either Woakes or Broad.

EDIT: Wood to be selected instead of Broad. Woakes offers a fair amount with the bat as well as the ball.

Yeah, I forgot that Woody is back. With him Root will get pace all match instead of ten fast overs out of Archer then 80 mph stuff.

 

[MP2011]

Cos he tilted the game in indias favor big time.

They made a wrong call.

This. As good as Ashwin was in this test, Rohit was the one who made us favorites to win this test on first day itself. English could never recover from his onslaught for next 3 days.

Or may be, people have some other definition of a MoM!

 

[MP2011]

Yeah, I forgot that Woody is back. With him Root will get pace all match instead of ten fast overs out of Archer then 80 mph stuff.

So you too reckon Wood is better than Archer who is more made for shorter formats?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

But thats where Lyon is born and brought up. If he can't take wickets at his home, where else he'll?

Btw, would you discount the wickets taken by Cummins and Hazlewood in Australia just because they've come on pitches which are conducive for fast bowling?

Not saying it isn't easier for him to pick wickets in Aus compared to overseas spinners.

But that can't overcome the difference in pitch assistance.

To put it in perspective, imagine we roll out tough turners and our top batters average 30 or 35....while Aussie bats average 60 in their pattas...

Would that be a fair comparison?

Lyon would have far far better records had he been born in India.

Same with Swann.

 

[Saurav]

Cos he tilted the game in indias favor big time.

They made a wrong call.

No. Even with his score we only got 329.Pant and Rahane also did their part

Its Ashwin who drove home the big lead and then ensured we didnt collapse in 2nd innings to give a sniff to England

 

[MP2011]

Not saying it isn't easier for him to pick wickets in Aus compared to overseas spinners.

But that can't overcome the difference in pitch assistance.

To put it in perspective, imagine we roll out tough turners and our top batters average 30 or 35....while Aussie bats average 60 in their pattas...

Would that be a fair comparison?

Lyon would have far far better records had he been born in India.

Same with Swann.

You still didn't answer my question! Let me put it again,

Would you discount the wickets taken by Cummins and Hazlewood in Australia just because they've come on pitches which are conducive for fast bowling?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

You still didn't answer my question! Let me put it again,

Would you discount the wickets taken by Cummins and Hazlewood in Australia just because they've come on pitches which are conducive for fast bowling?

You are missing the point bhai.

Ok to answer your question:

I wouldn't discount their wickets taken by them in Aus.

But I would want them to perform in Asia to be regarded as ATG.

And I won't compare them directly to Asian pacers in terms of wickets taken per match stats.

Pacers have a UNIQUE advantage over spinners in one regard.

They can post good numbers in almost any conditions if they are good enough.

Spinners can't.

Put Ashwin with pak pacers and send him to Aus and you will see his average balooning up.

But put Bumrah in there and his number won't get affected as much as Ashwin's would.

There is a reason why only 2 spinners average 25 or less...while a gazzilion pacers do.

 

[MP2011]

Also how could you say with certainty that Lyon would have been far more successful has he been an Indian?

There are so many good spinners in our domestic ranks who don't even get a chance to represent us in international arena. Had Lyon been an Indian, he would have had to compete with those spinners in order to play at international level for us which isn't a certainty by any means!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

No. Even with his score we only got 329.Pant and Rahane also did their part

Its Ashwin who drove home the big lead and then ensured we didnt collapse in 2nd innings to give a sniff to England

Of course, Pant and Rahane played a part too.

But 161 was a killer blow that Eng never recovered from.

Ashwin could have taken 3-4 wicket in the first test, got out at 0 and taken a few wickets and we still would have won.

But had Rohit got out for 20...we might have been bundled out for 175 and it would have been a totally different ball game.

Ashwin's performance was GOAT level in this test. Can't be argued stats wise.

But Rohit delivered the killer blow. He deserved the MOM more imho.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Also how could you say with certainty that Lyon would have been far more successful has he been an Indian?

There are so many good spinners in our domestic ranks who don't even get a chance to represent us in international arena. Had Lyon been an Indian, he would have had to compete with those spinners in order to play at international level for us which isn't a certainty by any means!

Thats besides the main point.

The main point being, bowling in Aus on those pitches is so much harder than bowling in India.

Same way, had Ashwin born in Aus, he would have been dropped before he developed and wouldn't have had a career.

We are assuming they would overcome their developmental challenges and comparing.

 

[Robert]

So you too reckon Wood is better than Archer who is more made for shorter formats?

I think Wood has more ticker. Archer is a ODI bowler who cannot seem to sustain pace over a test. He really should be consistently fast with that easy action.

 

[K4Kohli]

Oh please kohli this is why you are so fake as a person man said Toss wouldn’t have mattered what a ridiculous and pathetic statement he would have been saying the opposite if India had lost the toss. He on many occasions has blamed the toss on his losses and now he’s saying it wouldn’t have mattered just cause his team won

Mikle Atherton said the same. Toss mattered in 1st test and not in 2nd test as it is spinning from ball 1

 

[James]

Enjoyed my Pizza in the stands, as I watched England get annihilated.

Nice!

 

[street cricketer]

Enjoyed my Pizza in the stands, as I watched England get annihilated.

The 150 bucks paneer pizza I see

Had the same yesterday

 

[Savak]

If England are the best side in the world, they need to show they can handle these conditions. Sub continent sides get judged badly for failing to deal with English, New Zealand, South African, Australian conditions, the same standards should apply to the likes of England, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa when they tour India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, UAE

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Enjoyed my Pizza in the stands, as I watched England get annihilated.

OMG looks awesome. A day well spent.
If only they offered some beer in Indian stadiums it would be a Day Greatly Spent

 

[Varun]

OMG looks awesome. A day well spent.
If only they offered some beer in Indian stadiums it would be a Day Greatly Spent ��

You get Kingfisher beer for 40 bucks a pop in Bangalore. Though I've only seen it in D/N games (ODI, IPL etc).

 

[Manunited18]

If England are the best side in the world, they need to show they can handle these conditions. Sub continent sides get judged badly for failing to deal with English, New Zealand, South African, Australian conditions, the same standards should apply to the likes of England, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa when they tour India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, UAE

The series is evenly poised at 1-1

 

[MP2011]

You are missing the point bhai.

Ok to answer your question:

I wouldn't discount their wickets taken by them in Aus.

But I would want them to perform in Asia to be regarded as ATG.

And I won't compare them directly to Asian pacers in terms of wickets taken per match stats.

Pacers have a UNIQUE advantage over spinners in one regard.

They can post good numbers in almost any conditions if they are good enough.

Spinners can't.

Put Ashwin with pak pacers and send him to Aus and you will see his average balooning up.

But put Bumrah in there and his number won't get affected as much as Ashwin's would.

There is a reason why only 2 spinners average 25 or less...while a gazzilion pacers do.

I get your point but I have now started feeling that Lyon is quite overrated on this forum especially after he couldn't get his team over the line on 2 consecutive occasions during our series in Sydney & Brisbane with everything going for him.

 

[MP2011]

I think Wood has more ticker. Archer is a ODI bowler who cannot seem to sustain pace over a test. He really should be consistently fast with that easy action.

Yeah, I feel the same.

 

[MP2011]

Thats besides the main point.

The main point being, bowling in Aus on those pitches is so much harder than bowling in India.

Same way, had Ashwin born in Aus, he would have been dropped before he developed and wouldn't have had a career.

We are assuming they would overcome their developmental challenges and comparing.

Same thing could've happened with Lyon too, had he been born in India, no? You can't be certainly sure that there won't be anyone better than Lyon in Indian ranks, fighting for spinner's place in India XI.

Anyways, these are hypothetic situations and no one could ever be sure of these things. Lets leave them as they're.

 

[Mesozoic]

You get Kingfisher beer for 40 bucks a pop in Bangalore. Though I've only seen it in D/N games (ODI, IPL etc).

Wait what?

Namma Bengalore allows beer inside the chinnaswamy?