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India [332 & 106/2] beat Australia [300 & 137] by 8 wickets in the fourth Test, win series 2-1

sensible-indian-fan said:
Ash, Jaddu and Kuldeep in full form will be something else at home.

Overseas, the way Kuldeep is showing potential (if he continues this), I think it will be Ash and Jaddu who have to fight for 2nd spinner spot. In fact, Ash is on the firing line.

This is a great problem to have.

All that aside, this pitch has those cracks which can bring that bloody monster O Keefe into play. Right now, its docile for most part but in 4th innings, O Keefe may be unplayable.
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Totally agree. India must not make the mistake which Rahane made after tea by not bringing Kuldeep on straight away. He went for reputation over form and we leaked 30 odd runs :(

Hope Kohli doesn't repeat it. OTOH, feel sad for Jayant, looks he won't be playing test cricket for a long long time
 
EliteCynical said:
Totally agree. India must not make the mistake which Rahane made after tea by not bringing Kuldeep on straight away. He went for reputation over form and we leaked 30 odd runs :(

Hope Kohli doesn't repeat it. OTOH, feel sad for Jayant, looks he won't be playing test cricket for a long long time
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Jayant can't spin the ball. But he is a terrific lower order batsman.

I read that Kuldeep can bat too. If Kuldeep can score 30-40 runs every time, he will be a permanent fixture in the team. Even Ashwin,s place will not be safe.

Ashwin barely spin the ball. Tired fingers or simply inability to turn when the pitch is not helpful is remained to be seen.
 
Considering India are one batsmen short, Australia already fair bit ahead
 
Chrish said:
Considering India are one batsmen short, Australia already fair bit ahead
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Its a moot point

If India didnt play a batsman short, Australia would still be batting.
 
troodon said:
Jayant can't spin the ball. But he is a terrific lower order batsman.

I read that Kuldeep can bat too. If Kuldeep can score 30-40 runs every time, he will be a permanent fixture in the team. Even Ashwin,s place will not be safe.

Ashwin barely spin the ball. Tired fingers or simply inability to turn when the pitch is not helpful is remained to be seen.
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There is also the novelty factor with Kuldeep that he was a totally new entity.

This isnt the first time and wont be the last time in cricket that team prepared for the big guns and the young rookie caused the damage...

Its laughable at this point to even contemplate Kuldeep threatening Ashwins place in the side
 
Slog said:
Its a moot point

If India didnt play a batsman short, Australia would still be batting.
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India should have gone with 3 spinners and 1 pacer. That would have allowed us to play Iyer who was in terrific form.

Pace is not our forte. Contribution of Umesh Or BK will be minimum in this Test.

Ashwin/Jaddu/Kuldeep would have been enough to get 20Aus wickets on this pitch.

The spin and dip that Kuldeep was getting was amazing. Ashwin and Jaddu barely spun the ball on this Day-1 pitch.
 
3 spinners and 1 pacer is out of the question. 2 pacer and 2 spinner sounds most reasonable considering the bounce. Anyways their intention with Kuldeep is to surprise the opposition and they have partially succeeded in that regard. Still I think they let tail score runs too freely toward the end and could have restricted the inning total below 300
 
troodon said:
India should have gone with 3 spinners and 1 pacer. That would have allowed us to play Iyer who was in terrific form.

Pace is not our forte. Contribution of Umesh Or BK will be minimum in this Test.

Ashwin/Jaddu/Kuldeep would have been enough to get 20Aus wickets on this pitch.

The spin and dip that Kuldeep was getting was amazing. Ashwin and Jaddu barely spun the ball on this Day-1 pitch.
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You are saying this with the benefit of hindsight

No one including the indian team management knew kuldeep would have such an impact otherwise we would have seen him earlier
 
Sarfarazian92 said:
Is Ashwin fully fit? Was watching the highlights and he wasn't bending down while fielding.
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fatigue maybe an issue

though when you are not having a good day in the field such things are natural
 
Zak_Fan said:
Which was something stupid. We had spinners like Kuldeep warming the bench while a half-fit Ashwin has nearly cost us the series.
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Agreed. I would have gone with both sitting Nair or Ishant out. India could have won the last test definitely.
 
Everything depends on Pujara, Rahul and Murali. First two in particular if they get out cheaply then it's all over for India.. Indian tail apart from last match has been inconsequential with the bat.

Baptism with fire for Karun and Rahane.. Time to prove their worth instead of being freeloaders
 
Starc would have been a handful in this match

Australia will miss him big time tomorrow
 
Slog said:
Starc would have been a handful in this match

Australia will miss him big time tomorrow
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India misses shami as well. They kept saying he would play. It is a disaster India lost him for the most important series.
 
Cummins hasn't been any less impressive than Starc.. And he too can bat and add valuable runs.

In fact if Cummins and Pattinson can remain fit, there is a very good chance Stac has to carry drinks (never gonna happen though)
 
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Chrish said:
Cummins hasn't been any less impressive than Starc.. And he too can bat and add valuable runs.

In fact if Cummins and Pattinson can remain fit, there is a very good chance Stac has to carry drinks (never gonna happen though)
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Starc might not be among the best in test but he's nowhere near that bad. Starc would still be an auto choice in any test test bar South Africa maybe.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Starc might not be among the best in test but he's nowhere near that bad. Starc would still be an auto choice in any test test bar South Africa maybe.
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No one said about him being bad.. if Cummings and Pattinson can remain fit then they all can challenge Starc's spot based on merit

Shows you depth of Australia's pace resources more than anything
 
A reeeeeeal slug fest today. First hour will be very dicey for both the team .... more so for the Indians than the Australians. The ball stil very new, only 1 over old, so the openers have their work cut out for them. Australian fast bowlers must be rearing to go at the Indians. I have a feeling that the Indians will knock over the 300 runs, they usually do, if not today then tomorrow for sure. But then, this is Test Match Cricket .... no way to predict what will happen. I am sure Smith is not happy 300 runs, given the start they got. Can't wait !!!
 
Sachin136 said:
Ashwin won India the only match they won.
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Kuldeep would have done the same. Jadeja would have been enough too. Really doesn't take much to bowl out a team like Australia on a turner in the fourth innings.
 
India v Australia | 4th Test | Dharamsala | Mar 25-29, 2017 | Day 2

Australia 300
India 0/0 (1.0 ov)
 
Pretty much the most important day in the match - How both teams fare today would set it up
 
Smith has opened this thread. This is ominous.

meanwhile Hazelwood has taken Vijay out quite early.

Woah! Renshaw has missed a catch at slip...lol... so even stevens I guess, we dropped Warner early, Aussies return the favor dropping Rahul and giving a boundary...
 
Leave every ball on the 4th stump - Wait for the spinners to come on .... If we make it to 100-1 then it's game on
 
I Have never seen any Indian Pitch remotely as quick as this. This is more like Gabba.

I feel India should have persisted with Ishant Sharma on this Pitch , rather going for BK. Though Ishant was ineffective in Ranchi , but this Pitch is Nothing like that.
 
Enforcer said:
I Have never seen any Indian Pitch remotely as quick as this. This is more like Gabba.

I feel India should have persisted with Ishant Sharma on this Pitch , rather going for BK. Though Ishant was ineffective in Ranchi , but this Pitch is Nothing like that.
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Exactly. Ishant here would have been threatening.
 
Target Cummins and Let Hzewlood tire out , Keefe shouldn't be too hard on this pitch
 
That Rahul drop can be very costly. Pacers already have bowled extended spells consequently over rate is slow. They needed Rahane to be in the middle for spinners.
 
Good thing for India is Australia Just have two Pacers on this Pitch. I think going with Just 2 Pacers in this match, Australia have Commited bigger mistake than India , who came with just Five Specialist Batsman.
 
roshanrocks said:
He's taking a calculated risk. These two currently the best batters in the indian 11. A wicket here will decide the series.
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This is not a calculated risk. Smith doesn't understand how to use fast bowlers like Clarke did. His overs should've been spaced out into 3-3-3 in the first 30.
 
Stallion__ said:
That Rahul drop can be very costly. Pacers already have bowled extended spells consequently over rate is slow. They needed Rahane to be in the middle for spinners.
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The bad thing for india is Australia can afford to give extended spells to their fast bowlers in these conditions of Dharmashala. In other parts of india it wouldnt have been possibile in this time of the year
 
I can see India losing two wickets in the second session, one to pace and one to spin. If they don't, then well played and it will still remain a close contest.
 
Rahane :97:

of course the six was lucky.... But stilll... 4 and a 6 off consecutive balls, unexpected.
 
What an eventful over.

Rahul got worked over so easily. He needs to work more on the mental and psychological aspects of the game.
 
What the heck's up with Rahane?

It's almost like he drank a crate of RedBull before he strode out today.
 
All hopes on Pujara now. He has carried the Indian team in this series after the underperformance of their best batsmen and best bowler.
 
It seems our Indian friends are having trouble understanding that it's not easy to face well directed genuine fast bowling.
 
No it seems our brother Chief Destroyer likes to defend the Indian players whom he has a soft corner for while throwing the rest under the bus when they under perform.

The Rahul's shot was inexcusable for the sole reason he was playing short ball so well beforehand.

Rahane taking on short ball right from the onset with us just having 5 bats and the series on the line was an even bigger crime.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
No it seems our brother Chief Destroyer likes to defend the Indian players whom he has a soft corner for while throwing the rest under the bus when they under perform.

The Rahul's shot was inexcusable for the sole reason he was playing short ball so well beforehand.

Rahane taking on short ball right from the onset with us just having 5 bats and the series on the line was an even bigger crime.
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It's very easy to get rattled when the ball's traveling at that pace towards your face. Rahul clearly got sucked in. Certainly not an inexcusable shot. I'd suggest going to nets and putting the machine at 85mph and face some short deliveries. You'd understand then.

Cummins is generating serious lift. Some of them you can't duck away and have to take them on. Even if you don't want to, your instincts will naturally take over and you get caught in-between. This is why nothing rivals genuine pace. You're not only in danger of losing your wicket but getting seriously injured.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
It's very easy to get rattled when the ball's traveling at that pace towards your face. Rahul clearly got sucked in. Certainly not an inexcusable shot. I'd suggest going to nets and putting the machine at 85mph and face some short deliveries. You'd understand then.

Cummins is generating serious lift. Some of them you can't duck away and have to take them on. Even if you don't want to, your instincts will naturally take over and you get caught in-between. This is why nothing rivals genuine pace. You're not only in danger of losing your wicket but getting seriously injured.
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I don't dispute any of that. Its not easy.

But the same could have happened before too but Rahul weaved away. He played a shot (which was way too high anyways) after Cummins had a word with him and had him on the ropes in the previous over. If he was smart and understood the situation, his survival instincts should have kicked on but on the contrary he became more loose.

So while the reasoning for his dismissal may seem understandable on the surface, it really isn't for his case.

And Rahane could have easily left that ball alone but he smashed it aerially. He again did it for a second time.

We could use the same argument for Kohli's shot in WC SF which indeed was a well directed bouncer but it was a supremely dumb shot which everyone agrees about.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I don't dispute any of that. Its not easy.

But the same could have happened before too but Rahul weaved away. He played a shot (which was way too high anyways) after Cummins had a word with him and had him on the ropes in the previous over. If he was smart and understood the situation, his survival instincts should have kicked on but on the contrary he became more loose.

So while the reasoning for his dismissal may seem understandable on the surface, it really isn't for his case.

And Rahane could have easily left that ball alone but he smashed it aerially. He again did it for a second time.

We could use the same argument for Kohli's shot in WC SF which indeed was a well directed bouncer but it was a supremely dumb shot which everyone agrees about.
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Easier said than done. The viewers have plenty of time to think and judge. They're relying on pure instinct and muscle memory. Both are good players of the short ball and if they in that moment read that certain delivery to be pull-able, they will rely on their instinct. They don't have time to think and judge especially for a player who's just come on to the crease. It's a lot simpler for players like Pujara who's ducking every ball and willing to take shots at his body but even he's been caught jumping around simply because of how well directed and lively the pace is.
 
His skill level aside, Lyon is an incredibly stupid bowler. He has no idea how he's going to take wickets.
 
The bowlers are already exhausted from the previous test match and Pujara is piling on the agony.

In his last 3 innings Pujara has played 221, 525 and 145* deliveries, nearly 150 overs, single-handedly tiring the Australian bowling attack. They must be sick of seeing him at the crease, just like we are of Smith...lol
 
We need to improve our RR. Pujara plays in one ear mostly, maybe Rahane should play his shots.
 
20 overs till the new ball. Smith should rotate the three spinners at his disposal (remember Maxwell?), asking them to keep things extremely tight and fighting for every run. Then by the 80th over, if the spinners didn't pick up a couple of wickets or are spent, throw the ball to Cummins and Hazlewood. That new ball is extremely crucial for Australia.

India need to ensure they don't lose another wicket today. Respect the spinners, see out the pacers and get to the close with 220 on the board and a job well done. Tomorrow they can play a lot more freely, after seeing off the initial burst from the pacers, seeing how they will be in a much safer position.

India would want a 150 runs lead, Australia won't like anything above 50.
 
Hitman said:
We need to improve our RR. Pujara plays in one ear mostly, maybe Rahane should play his shots.
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RR should be the least of our concerns. There is enough time for either side to force a result. Having lost a crucial toss, our only chance is a 100 run lead, the time it takes is not important.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Easier said than done. The viewers have plenty of time to think and judge. They're relying on pure instinct and muscle memory. Both are good players of the short ball and if they in that moment read that certain delivery to be pull-able, they will rely on their instinct. They don't have time to think and judge especially for a player who's just come on to the crease. It's a lot simpler for players like Pujara who's ducking every ball and willing to take shots at his body but even he's been caught jumping around simply because of how well directed and lively the pace is.
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Yes I get what you are really trying to convey. Even I separate dismissals based on poor shot vs poor execution.

However its no coincidence that Rahul's shot came after Cummins had a word with him.

Can it be justified? Sure. There are so many ways to do that.

Was he in the fault? He was if we really consider everything.

It was a poor shot because he had all the warnings but still chose not to pay heed to it which is why India is in a precarious position now.

A couple of wickets can change the game now.
 
Nair has wasted all the chances he has got since his 300. It will be a while now before he can make it back into the test team once Virat and Rohit come back.
 
How many of you think Ashwin will make any kind of decent score? he has been off color with the ball and bat this series and I expect him to continue the same this innings as well.

I Expect Kuldeep to score more than him...lol
 
Brilliant bowling from Australia here. Keeping the runs down and building pressure on India
 
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