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India [340/6] beat Australia [304] by 36 runs in the 2nd ODI, level series 1-1

What I wouldn't give for pandya right now, pandey is just rubbish.
 
This is the problem with starc.
He can be brilliant one day and garbage the other day
 
Can remember certain posters wanted Vijay Shankar to start in the WC but wanted a talent like KL to be left out. :)))

I made a prediction that this is the year that KL Rahul would turn his career around. Now is the time to back him in tests as well. Should be playing in all 3 formats
 
This is why INdia needs to back Gill, who is in the same class as KOhli. Allow him to fail and discover himself in an inconsequential series like this. Failure here means nothing. We have no world cup coming up. Having 5 world class players in the line up from 1 to 5 mean you can be more solid.
 
High time Starc learns how to bowl a slower ball. Otherwise he will be creamed all day by quality batsmen.
 
Lol, we have been penalised 5 runs for running on the pitch.
 
Rajkot is perhaps the easiest ODI batting wicket on Earth, along with Trent Bridge of course.

India need to get to 350.
 
topspin said:
Rajkot is perhaps the easiest ODI batting wicket on Earth, along with Trent Bridge of course.

India need to get to 350.
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England wickets are the flattest on the planet at this point lol Seein ghte Pak series before the world cup.
 
India have found their finisher the destroyer Rahul. India was misusing him this whole time he’s suited for t20 cricket only hence this type of batting he is not a test bat neither is he a top order odi batsman he is proper finisher he will give you this type of innings every time because this is his game india should discard pant and make rahul the finisher
 
Lol at all the morons here who doubted Rahul, I am one of the very few here who kept supporting him even when he was going through a career threatening bad patch. People here are by and large plastic fans with zero understanding of talent.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Lol at all the morons here who doubted Rahul, I am one of the very few here who kept supporting him even when he was going through a career threatening bad patch.
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He has been very consistent since the world cup. It is a case of where you bat him going forward rather than whether we should play him. All the inconsistent players should be shown the door.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
England wickets are the flattest on the planet at this point lol Seein ghte Pak series before the world cup.
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I agree country wise but if I had to pick the flattest ground in world cricket for ODI batting it's between Rajkot and Trent Bridge imo.
 
Hitman said:
Yea, man. I'd love have him at #4, henceforth. BTW, 2 boundaries in a row by Rahul.
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He isn't a no 4. He doesn't have the game awareness needed for that role, he would be my pant replacement, pant needs to go back to ranji and clear his head.
 
Very selfless from Rahul. He could have remained unbeaten but he chose to play for his team, rather than himself.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Lol at all the morons here who doubted Rahul, I am one of the very few here who kept supporting him even when he was going through a career threatening bad patch. People here are by and large plastic fans with zero understanding of talent.
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Calm down. He just had a good match, not a good season.
 
Batsmen have more or less done their job, all upto Bumrah and KulCha....
 
Mean&Green said:
Rahul is a bottler
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Mean&Green said:
India have found their finisher the destroyer Rahul. India was misusing him this whole time he’s suited for t20 cricket only hence this type of batting he is not a test bat neither is he a top order odi batsman he is proper finisher he will give you this type of innings every time because this is his game india should discard pant and make rahul the finisher
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This the problem with people talking too much but possessing little knowledge.
 
jagatk said:
Why not? His t20 batting shows that hitting isn't an issue for him and the role suits him better than the opening or coming in at no 4.
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I think he's better suited at the top of the order when he has more time. He's also played most of his career at the top of the order. Remains to be seen though.
 
If India sends back Finch early India will be in business. They probably miss Bhuvi against him who consistently got him out. with incoming deliveries.
 
I hope atleast now that Rahul will be given a consistent run at no.4.

But , Kohli and Shastri combo will most likely screw this up again.
 
IND 340/6 (50.0) CRR: 6.8

innings break.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Rahul aint a finisher imho.

Opening is his calling.
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He isn't a good opening option until rohit retires or goes back to being No-Hit again. He is too slow at the start, which puts pressure on rohit to go big and unlike rohit he hasn't shown the ability to hit nick 100's.

Add to that he can't change gears easily, he is either doing tuk tuk or going bonkers, there is no slow acceleration option with him.
 
Dhawan
Rohit
Kohli
Rahul (wk)
Iyer
Pandya
Dube
Kuldeep
Chahal
Bumrah
Shami/Saini

This should be our first choice xi in ODIs going forward.
 
Mesozoic said:
Dhawan
Rohit
Kohli
Rahul (wk)
Iyer
Pandya
Dube
Kuldeep
Chahal
Bumrah
Shami/Saini

This should be our first choice xi in ODIs going forward.
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Rahul as wk is not going to work out long term nor he is good enough to be selected just as a wk
 
globalcitizen said:
Rahul as wk is not going to work out long term nor he is good enough to be selected just as a wk
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I've seen him keep for KXIP in the IPL and he looked pretty good behind the stumps. Anyways, he won't do worse than Pant who keeps on missing chances in literally every game.
 
Mesozoic said:
I've seen him keep for KXIP in the IPL and he looked pretty good behind the stumps. Anyways, he won't do worse than Pant who keeps on missing chances in literally every game.
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There is a difference in keeping between 20 overs and 50 overs.
 
Mesozoic said:
I've seen him keep for KXIP in the IPL and he looked pretty good behind the stumps. Anyways, he won't do worse than Pant who keeps on missing chances in literally every game.
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Pant is not the only wk candidate. We have samson Bharat etc waiting too
 
jagatk said:
He isn't a good opening option until rohit retires or goes back to being No-Hit again. He is too slow at the start, which puts pressure on rohit to go big and unlike rohit he hasn't shown the ability to hit nick 100's.

Add to that he can't change gears easily, he is either doing tuk tuk or going bonkers, there is no slow acceleration option with him.
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1. Rahul isn't mentally strong yet.

2. Bats like a scared kitten when his position is under threat.

3. I get the feeling he is a rhythm batsman. When he is allowed to be in flow, he will score lots and score fast. Average high at an excellent SR. That's why he is able to average almost 50 with 150 SR in T20s.

4. If you ask him to bat sensibly (or its self inflicted due to his fear of losing his spot) , his rhythm goes all haywire and he plays painfully slow knocks. Hence his slow ODI knocks in the past.

5. The thing is that he has supreme potential which when unlocked can result in crazy knocks. He's like Gohan. Has it in him to do ridiculous stuff. For Gohan to unlock it, you had to push him to the limit and make him feel helpless. For Rahul, its the opposite. You have make him feel secure.

6. This isn't to say there shouldn't be any accountability but you need to back him and when he's sure of his place, his rhythm will flow in and he will score crazy amount of runs.

7. Opening is where he needs to be. Number 3 at best. Down the order he might not be as impactful as he is up the order. Today's knock was brilliant but I hope this doesnt give the management the wrong ideas.
 
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jagatk said:
Neither can actually bat, both have an average below 40 in FC and barely 30 in List A.
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Everyone knows potential of Samson especially and shots he plays. Scored 200 in listA.. Bharat is good batsmen too... without opportunity like others they can’t blossom.. and don’t expect wk to come at 5 or 6 and score 100s
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
1. Rahul isn't mentally strong yet.

2. Bats like a scared kitten when his position is under threat.

3. I get the feeling he is a rhythm batsman. When he is allowed to be in flow, he will score lots and score fast. Average high at an excellent SR. That's why he is able to average almost 50 with 150 SR in T20s.

4. If you ask him to bat sensibly (or its self inflicted due to his fear of losing his spot) , his rhythm goes all haywire and he plays painfully slow knocks. Hence his slow ODI knocks in the past.

5. The thing is that he has supreme potential which when unlocked can result in crazy knocks. He's like Gohan. Has it in him to do ridiculous stuff. For Gohan to unlock it, you had to push him to the limit and make him feel helpless. For Rahul, its the opposite. You have make him feel secure.

6. This isn't to say there shouldn't be any accountability but you need to back him and when he's sure of his place, his rhythm will flow in and he will score crazy amount of runs.

7. Opening is where he needs to be. Number 3 at best. Down the order he might not be as impactful as he is up the order. Today's knock was brilliant but I hope this doesnt give the management the wrong ideas.
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And you came to this expert conclusion based on 25 odi career with 45 avg
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
1. Rahul isn't mentally strong yet.

2. Bats like a scared kitten when his position is under threat.

3. I get the feeling he is a rhythm batsman. When he is allowed to be in flow, he will score lots and score fast. Average high at an excellent SR. That's why he is able to average almost 50 with 150 SR in T20s.

4. If you ask him to bat sensibly (or its self inflicted due to his fear of losing his spot) , his rhythm goes all haywire and he plays painfully slow knocks. Hence his slow ODI knocks in the past.

5. The thing is that he has supreme potential which when unlocked can result in crazy knocks. He's like Gohan. Has it in him to do ridiculous stuff. For Gohan to unlock it, you had to push him to the limit and make him feel helpless. For Rahul, its the opposite. You have make him feel secure.

6. This isn't to say there shouldn't be any accountability but you need to back him and when he's sure of his place, his rhythm will flow in and he will score crazily amount of runs.

7. Opening is where he needs to be. Number 3 at best. Down the order he might not be as impactful as he is up the order. Today's knock was brilliant but I hope this doesnt give the management the wrong ideas.
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But he can't do open or play at no 3 right now and we have rohit and kohli whose needs outweight whatever rahul's and by 2023 we will have a new crop with none of these mental issues coming through, with likes of paddikal, shaw, gill etc who hopefully won't need that much mollycoddling.

No 5-6 actually works for him best because fail at top, you get compared to the best we have and that puts a lot of pressure, fail at 5-6 you really aren't competing with giants he gets bit a leeway there.
 
jagatk said:
But he can't do open or play at no 3 right now and we have rohit and kohli whose needs outweight whatever rahul's and by 2023 we will have a new crop with none of these mental issues coming through, with likes of paddikal, shaw, gill etc who hopefully won't need that much mollycoddling.

No 5-6 actually works for him best because fail at top, you get compared to the best we have and that puts a lot of pressure, fail at 5-6 you really aren't competing with giants he gets bit a leeway there.
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Fail a few innings at 5 or 6 and you are dropped.

Fail in a tourney when your team's fate is hanging in the balance and kiss your career goodbye.
 
globalcitizen said:
And you came to this expert conclusion based on 25 odi career with 45 avg
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Based on watching him play test (back when he was good), ODIs and t20s.

You don't judge talent based on their stats in a few games in a format.

You judge talent based on their shot making skills, their range, their ability to survive tough bowling, their appetite for runs, their ability to accelerate, etc.
 
India already lost a bowling option i think lol Saini injured and left. This is going to be bloodbath without 5th bowler
 
globalcitizen said:
Everyone knows potential of Samson especially and shots he plays. Scored 200 in listA.. Bharat is good batsmen too... without opportunity like others they can’t blossom.. and don’t expect wk to come at 5 or 6 and score 100s
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His ranji nos tells me all about samson's potential, and in FC a player can be expected to score a 100 at 5 or 6. Also by your own logic a batsman at no 5-6 stays not out a lot more than someone up the order, imagine coming in so low down, getting a few not outs in the bag and still averaging just 30.

Also this isn't bangladesh or kenya team, their averages in domestic cricket means they should not be picked, if you can't hack it in domestic, how are you supposed to be good vs internationals?
 
people need to pay attention to guys like paddikal, yashasvi jaiswal who will take the place of iyer and other useless ones. It's only a matter of time I.e if kaptaan allows it. Kaptaan loves to choose his buddies. I hope he won't.
 
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