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Good morning guys,looks like our trundlers have done a good job again :nehra

over to the batsmen :)
 
Kiwi said:
As of right now I'd say England, India and possibly Australia have the better bowling attacks.
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Woah...Dude, don't you think that's a little bit over-reaction.

I agree that India's top bowlers (Bhuvi, Mohit (yes, he's far better than what most people realize), Ashwin (developing into a lethal spinner slowly but surely), Jaddu) have GREAT potential but they are yet to be proven as world beaters.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Woah...Dude, don't you think that's a little bit over-reaction.

I agree that India's top bowlers (Bhuvi, Mohit (yes, he's far better than what most people realize), Ashwin (developing into a lethal spinner slowly but surely), Jaddu) have GREAT potential but they are yet to be proven as world beaters.
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Not really as of right now they're much better than Junaid, Irfan, Ajmal, Afridi and Hafeez.
 
Saurav said:
Good morning guys,looks like our trundlers have done a good job again :nehra

over to the batsmen :)
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Indian trundlers have become kinda good these days.

Everybody claims we have the worst attack at the international level.

I dunno but Bhuvi, Ashwin, Jaddu and Ishant (crucial wickets wise) seem to deliver more often than not.

Our death bowling is pure rubbish though.

But again, almost every team is rubbish when it comes to death bowling these days.
 
Kiwi said:
As of right now I'd say England, India and possibly Australia have the better bowling attacks.
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No, Dont agree

In LOIs Pakistan attack is better than all attacks you mentioned above...

England:
Irfan=Anderson (As ODI bowlers)
Junaid> Broad
Ajmal>Swann
Hafeez>Bresnan

Aus:
Irfan>Mckay
Junaid>=Johnson/starc
Ajmal>>>Doherty
HAfeez>Faulkner

India:
Ajmal>Ashwin
BK>Junaid (15 overs) Junaid>BK (35 overs)
Irfan>Yadav
Gul>Ishant
HAfeez=JAdeja
 
hur rizvi said:
No, Dont agree

In LOIs Pakistan attack is better than all attacks you mentioned above...

England:
Irfan=Anderson (As ODI bowlers)
Junaid> Broad
Ajmal>Swann
Hafeez>Bresnan

Aus:
Irfan>Mckay
Junaid>=Johnson/starc
Ajmal>>>Doherty
HAfeez>Faulkner

India:
Ajmal>Ashwin
BK>Junaid (15 overs) Junaid>BK (35 overs)
Irfan>Yadav
Gul>Ishant
HAfeez=JAdeja
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That logic doesn't apply as an overall pack as of right now England, India and Australia are better than Pakistan.
 
Kiwi said:
That logic doesn't apply as an overall pack as of right now England, India and Australia are better than Pakistan.
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I am very happy with PAkistan atatck, wouldnt want to interchange even one of my ODI bowlers with England/India/Aus if i were PAkistan captain...

Pakistan bowling has problem but that is in tests in ODIs we are still very good attack, performances have also been good by our attack
 
hur rizvi said:
Ajmal, Junaid and IRfan have all done decently against Top teams, they do lack that magic to run through teams but together still one of the best LOI attacks in the world
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Yeah.. its what we think... 'We have the best bowling attack'...

BUt it a Big question mark... we currently don't have any good bowler who can bowl well at death.. .. we haven't been able to bowl out the opposition.

We think we have .Juniad, Irfan, ajmal,,etc..etc... But when they come against quality batting side.. we are a Big zero... Yeah ofcourse when the pitch is in favor of turn, our spinners can give some unexpected spells and can win the match..

After we lost the 2 A's we haven't found any quality fast bowlers........ Junaid, Gul, Irfan are far far beyond those talents..:(
 
Kiwi said:
That logic doesn't apply as an overall pack as of right now England, India and Australia are better than Pakistan.
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Pakistan may not have the best PACE bowling attack in the world but overall (pace and spin), they are the most complete bowling attack.

With their amazing batting, its a miracle they are able to compete with big teams.

Australia - no good spinners
England - yeah its good but on a 2 spinner pitch, it ain't that good
SA - no good spinners

As far as having a complete bowling is concerned, its Pakistan > India > Eng - SL
 
Kiwi said:
That logic doesn't apply as an overall pack as of right now England, India and Australia are better than Pakistan.
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Are you talking merely about the bowlers or the teams in general?
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Pakistan may not have the best PACE bowling attack in the world but overall (pace and spin), they are the most complete bowling attack.

With their amazing batting, its a miracle they are able to compete with big teams.

Australia - no good spinners
England - yeah its good but on a 2 spinner pitch, it ain't that good
SA - no good spinners

As far as having a complete bowling is concerned, its Pakistan > India > Eng - SL
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In tests England have the most complete attack in the world.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Indian trundlers have become kinda good these days.

Everybody claims we have the worst attack at the international level.

I dunno but Bhuvi, Ashwin, Jaddu and Ishant (crucial wickets wise) seem to deliver more often than not.

Our death bowling is pure rubbish though.

But again, almost every team is rubbish when it comes to death bowling these days.
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agree,in helpful conditions especially they seem to do well.And they can handle pressure as we saw in the CT final.
 
Kiwi said:
Completeness is nothing if you can't get the job done.
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True but but what about the hopeless targets these batsmen set for Pak players.

I know a lot of people in PakPassion over-rate their bowlers but truth is, they are a very good bowling attack.

The logic is simple.

When batsmen score enough runs, average bowlers will look great.

When batsmen don't, good bowlers look bad.

Harsh truth.

Give a trundler attack 600 to defend on a decent pitch (not good not bad) in a test match and give them 2 days and most likely they would bowl out the SA test XI.
 
Kiwi said:
As a pack of bowlers, India individually aren't great but are good enough to get the the job done.
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Actually their bowling is underrated because they don't have many real fast bowlers.

But if they can get back Zaheer Khan in good old form and With Bhuvi, Yadav, Ashwin and Sir they will trouble the saffers in Test matches.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
True but but what about the hopeless targets these batsmen set for Pak players.

I know a lot of people in PakPassion over-rate their bowlers but truth is, they are a very good bowling attack.

The logic is simple.

When batsmen score enough runs, average bowlers will look great.

When batsmen don't, good bowlers look bad.

Harsh truth.

Give a trundler attack 600 to defend on a decent pitch (not good not bad) in a test match and give them 2 days and most likely they would bowl out the SA test XI.
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I think you're basing this on their rich history, they're not really as good as many make them out to be and will only make a game of things if there's something in the pitch.
 
IAJ said:
Actually their bowling is underrated because they don't have many real fast bowlers.

But if they can get back Zaheer Khan in good old form and With Bhuvi, Yadav, Ashwin and Sir they will trouble the saffers in Test matches.
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They'll go better than NZ and Pakistan that's for sure.
 
HazTheGreenKnightRises said:
Yeah.. its what we think... 'We have the best bowling attack'...

BUt it a Big question mark... we currently don't have any good bowler who can bowl well at death.. .. we haven't been able to bowl out the opposition.

We think we have .Juniad, Irfan, ajmal,,etc..etc... But when they come against quality batting side.. we are a Big zero... Yeah ofcourse when the pitch is in favor of turn, our spinners can give some unexpected spells and can win the match..

After we lost the 2 A's we haven't found any quality fast bowlers........ Junaid, Gul, Irfan are far far beyond those talents..:(
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Yes they arent great when you compare them to likes of Wasim,Waqar and Akhtar, but still better than most attacks in the world

Junaid has potential and has been doing very well averaging less than 30 in ODIs and Tests
 
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hur rizvi said:
Yes they arent great when you compare them to likes of Wasim,Waqar and Akhtar, but still better than most attacks in the world

Junaid has potential and has been doing very well averaging less than 30 in ODIs and T20s
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Junaid has been exposed in the last few months other than the tour of India he has been very average. He is well behind bowlers like Amir and Asif, who were absolute treats to watch, people have started to over rate Junaid ever since his one sided rivalry with Kohli (Indians included). Harsha Bhogle said Junaid was a bit like Kohli with the ball but I'd strongly disagree Kohli is an ATG in the making, I'd say Kohli is on par with Amir with the bat.
 
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Kiwi said:
Junaid has been exposed in the last few months other than the tour of India he has been very average. He is well behind bowlers like Amir and Asif, who were an absolute treat to watch.
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In last tour to W.I. he bowled very well on lifeless pitches (7 wickets in 3 ODIs), I havent compared him to Asif and Amir they were better....
 
Bilawal and Raza hasan should bowl, they are the best bowlers in this bunch, hammad should back them
 
Kiwi said:
This Rahul looks like a real clutch player is there any chance he'll play in 2015?
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might do,but we have other options so its highly unlikely

can be a good player for Tests too.good techniques hes got.still young so lots of time
 
Kiwi said:
That logic doesn't apply as an overall pack as of right now England, India and Australia are better than Pakistan.
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What do you even mean by overall pack? This isn't soccer or hockey. Each bowler bowls his own quota of overs and his success is primarily dependent on his ability.

Right now we have four world-class LOI bowlers in Ajmal, Junaid, Hafeez and Irfan who are all unique. When and if Gul comes back and someone reminds him how to bowl yorkers, this would be a deadly attack.

I think our poor batting has made people underrate our bowling, which is the best in the world. :punk:
 
Xoib said:
the difference betqeen India and Pakistn keeps on widening at all levels prepare for more thrashing over the next decade.
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Future doesn't really promising for Pakistan in the bowling department, if the U19 players Imam, BBG, Sami Aslam fail as well Pakistan could very much be part of the cellar dwellers in cricket.
 
Bilal7 said:
What do you even mean by overall pack? This isn't soccer or hockey. Each bowler bowls his own quota of overs and his success is primarily dependent on his ability.

Right now we have four world-class LOI bowlers in Ajmal, Junaid, Hafeez and Irfan who are all unique. When and if Gul comes back and someone reminds him how to bowl yorkers, this would be a deadly attack.

I think our poor batting has made people underrate our bowling, which is the best in the world. :punk:
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Wake up and smell the Kool Aid, if they were as good as some make them out to be any total the batsmen put up would be enough. They couldn't even defend 280 against Ireland.
 
Kiwi said:
Junaid has been exposed in the last few months other than the tour of India he has been very average. He is well behind bowlers like Amir and Asif, who were absolute treats to watch, people have started to over rate Junaid ever since his one sided rivalry with Kohli (Indians included). Harsha Bhogle said Junaid was a bit like Kohli with the ball but I'd strongly disagree Kohli is an ATG in the making, I'd say Kohli is on par with Amir with the bat.
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Other than the Champions Trophy, he's been very good.
 
Kiwi said:
Future doesn't really promising for Pakistan in the bowling department, if the U19 players Imam, BBG, Sami Aslam fail as well Pakistan could very much be part of the cellar dwellers in cricket.
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spin department is alright fast bowling is awful
 
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Bilal7 said:
What do you even mean by overall pack? This isn't soccer or hockey. Each bowler bowls his own quota of overs and his success is primarily dependent on his ability.

Right now we have four world-class LOI bowlers in Ajmal, Junaid, Hafeez and Irfan who are all unique. When and if Gul comes back and someone reminds him how to bowl yorkers, this would be a deadly attack.

I think our poor batting has made people underrate our bowling, which is the best in the world. :punk:
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Your bowling isnt the best in the world.SA and England are ahead of you.Your bowling is overrated by you guys.Its good no doubt but it isnt outstanding.

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however this defeat is more a choke job tthen anything giving away 5-48 to part timers will always hurt you.
 
Keep an eye on Juneja as well. Has a wonderful record in both FC and List A cricket

We do seem to have another set of young batsmen developing well - Chand, Rahul, Juneja, Bawne, Mandeep Singh, Aparajith etc
 
I'm not saying this because I hate Pakistan cricket or just to troll, I'm saying this to help you guys out these guys sadly just aren't good enough you guys as fans deserve better.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Your bowling isnt the best in the world.SA and England are ahead of you.Your bowling is overrated by you guys.Its good no doubt but it isnt outstanding.

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I think he is talking about LOI
 
cricketjoshila said:
Your bowling isnt the best in the world.SA and England are ahead of you.Your bowling is overrated by you guys.Its good no doubt but it isnt outstanding.

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In tests, South Africa are better and perhaps England too but not in LOIs. Anderson and Steyn who are their team's respective spearheads are average at best in the shorter formats.

Kiwi said:
Wake up and smell the Kool Aid, if they were as good as some make them out to be any total the batsmen put up would be enough. They couldn't even defend 280 against Ireland.
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Any total? So Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar and Saqlain never lost a match bowling second? They even lost a test match to Zimbabwe but that doesn't mean they were not one of the all time best bowling attacks does it?

The current lot are better than the rest but thats partly due to the others not being ATG bowling attacks.
 
cricketindiafan said:
Keep an eye on Juneja as well. Has a wonderful record in both FC and List A cricket

We do seem to have another set of young batsmen developing well - Chand, Rahul, Juneja, Bawne, Mandeep Singh, Aparajith etc
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Chand looks like rubbish, he's not good enough for Indian standards :farhat
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Lokesh Rahul's scores in the ACC Emerging Teams Cup 2013:
46 vs Pak U-23
88 vs Nepal
51 vs Afghanistan
43 vs UAE
50* vs Pak U-23</p>— Mohandas Menon (@mohanstatsman) <a href="https://twitter.com/mohanstatsman/statuses/371518143719436288">August 25, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Xoib said:
the difference betqeen India and Pakistn keeps on widening at all levels prepare for more thrashing over the next decade.
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Didn't we just beat you in a series in your own backyard? Stop making statements that will come back and bite you. No one can predict the future. 3 years ago, people were saying that Amir and Asif will continually destroy the Indians in the coming decade, sadly it didn't turn out that way.
 
Bilal7 said:
Didn't we just beat you in a series in your own backyard? Stop making statements that will come back and bite you. No one can predict the future. 3 years ago, people were saying that Amir and Asif will continually destroy the Indians in the coming decade, sadly it didn't turn out that way.
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Keep living in lala land, India will dominate Pakistan for the next decade if things continue this way :afridi
 
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Bilawal bhatti is a good bowler he should be playing for Pakistan anytime in future
 
whats all the fuss about ehsan adil the bowler , why is he so high in the pecking order ?? why have pakistan started picking these mediun pacers who dont do much with the ball , asad ali and anwar yesterday and now this .
 
Kiwi said:
Keep living in lala land, India will dominate Pakistan for the next decade if things continue this way :afridi
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India and Pakistan dont play very often, they might just play in World cups in next 5 years, and i agree India will win more matches than Pakistan next decade in LOIs, but still think in a test series b/w India and Pakistan , Pakistan would be favourites by a slight margin
 
When we have craps like Ehsan Adil and U. Qadir in lineup then this was bound to happen not to mention the bits n pieces :hammad captain and who genius gave this idea to open with :rizwan :facepalm:
 
ethan hunt said:
whats all the fuss about ehsan adil the bowler , why is he so high in the pecking order ?? why have pakistan started picking these mediun pacers who dont do much with the ball , asad ali and anwar yesterday and now this .
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HE's an overrated bowler, was selected based on just one season, needs to go back to domestic cricket
 
Kianig89 said:
When we have craps like Ehsan Adil and U. Qadir in lineup then this was bound to happen not to mention the bits n pieces :hammad captain and who genius gave this idea to open with :rizwan :facepalm:
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Rizwan did better than BAbar azam, who has been a complete fail on this tourney, a good performance here would have taken him close to selection, but now he needs to spend more time in domestics
 
Jamal Anwar should have been tried instead of these trundlers at least the guy is 90mph bowler
 
hur rizvi said:
Rizwan did better than BAbar azam, who has been a complete fail on this tourney, a good performance here would have taken him close to selection, but now he needs to spend more time in domestics
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still i think :rizwan is not an opener a tourney final against the arch rival and they are experimenting :facepalm:
 
Kianig89 said:
Ehsan Adil is living on Misbah's backing anything notable this guy has done :13:
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performed in only 1 season and got direct entry to test and CT squad while many others
have been performing for 3 to 4 years they were ignored or dropped after 1 series
likes of Sadaf hussain , Talha
 
India was always famous for producing cricketers with limited talent but great mental strength. e.g. Anil Kumble, Ravi Shastari.
 
How good is Babar really? He averages 50+ in domestic cricket is their a lack of quality bowlers at the domestic level now?
 
Kiwi said:
How good is Babar really? He averages 50+ in domestic cricket is their a lack of quality bowlers at the domestic level now?
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domestic fast bowling stocks are one of the highest in history, cannot comment on quality.
 
Hammad Qadir Adil etal have shown zilch improvement since they have been in the reckonings
 
Pakistan should let Australia have Qadir, he probably won't get a go anyway with Pakistans spin bowling stocks pretty high.
 
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