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Magnificent by Nair.

And that's the declaration. Five overs for the England openers to survive tonight.
 
Nvm it was a misfiled.

Nair has beaten Sachin's highest score in his third Test :))
 
Fantastic innings. It's not that you get to score 300 every other day even on a flat pitch.
 
McCullum declared against SL for 390 while KW was 242 and Watling was 142.

Absolutely hate teams and players who put individual achievements ahead of the team.
 
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Should have declared when Nair was on 250..

Nair deserves appreciation though. Didn't took much time to get extra 50 runs.

Now time for Cook and co. to play a 300 ball 40 run knock.
 
Dawson has held up under this mauling better than Moeen and Adil.
 
Nair should take the ball, burn it and give it to the English in a urn.
 
We should order a cake for Nair from Adyar bakery after stumps.

Preferably a black forest. Whatever Pakistan can do, we can do better.
 
Aman said:
McCullum declared against SL for 390 while KW was 242 and Watling was 142.

Absolutely hate teams and players who put individual achievements ahead of the team.
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Kohli, Smith and Cook are three captains who might have struggled with a team that Misbah and Macca had.
 
Classic Bangalore school of batting product, no OTT celebrations, superb on the backfoot, compact and more importantly the ability to sweat it out in the middle for long long time!! GRV, RD and now Karun Nair!! You go boy!
 
Should have let him beat Sehwag's record too. Or Lara's
 
Well played to the guy. Regardless of context,pitch and the opposition he has a goddamn triple hundred and you need some serious temprement and talent to score such
 
Protea Fan said:
Well played to the guy. Regardless of context,pitch and the opposition he has a goddamn triple hundred and you need some serious temprement and talent to score such
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And he scored at an SR of 79...almost 80.

First 100 was slow. Next 200 was super fast.

Laraesque.

Maybe even better in terms of pacing.
 
Gotta commend Jaddu too. His hitting ability lower down has been a great help here.
 
What India needs is players who are strong mentally and who have great temperament. Nair is one who fits in it perfectly
 
Super batting Nair.


Kohli you are a liar. Told everyone in press conference that personal milestones are out of teams system.
 
You know, it's all very good to pick on statements Kohli has made, but you have to consider this, the batsman in question despite whatever score he ended up with today will most likely not be an automatic starter for the next game. If the team is asking Nair to take one for the team in the next few games, it is extremely unfair on Nair if the team doesn't stand by him when he is in sight of a test triple. Test triples are not exactly easy to come by you know, if people are being asked to make sacrifices for the team cause, it isn't to much to expect the team to stand by a team mate once in a while - in a dead rubber.
 
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Super batting Nair.


Kohli you are a liar. Told everyone in press conference that personal milestones are out of teams system.
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Doesn't mean you should declare when the guy is on 280. Common sense is missing from some Indian fans on this thread. Just pathetic reading them.
 
JattMaula said:
Super batting Nair.


Kohli you are a liar. Told everyone in press conference that personal milestones are out of teams system.
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A triple century is a confidence builder, so this is an investment that India has made in Nair. In the future Nair will repay, so from the team's perspective this is justified.
 
It's a dead rubber anyway.

So not bad a decision allowing Nair to get to his triple which is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
 
Swanny said:
lol people do remember we have already won the series right ?
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Well, then no need to make statements about personal milestones, is there? Then you should say - We have got personal milestones out of the system except when we have already won the series, or to morally boost a batsman or if its a triple hundred
 
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Napa said:
A triple century is a confidence builder, so this is an investment that India has made in Nair. In the future Nair will repay, so from the team's perspective this is justified.
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This. People here are whining over nothing.
 
Geez, what a mauling.

Fantastic knock from Nair, seems quite a find.
 
Wow! 300 by an youngster in his first series is tremendous.

Either we will win comfortably or ENG will draw with ease, I don't think it will be 250/8 or something by end. Let's see.
 
Indiafan said:
Well, then no need to make statements about personal milestones, is there? Then you should say - We have got personal milestones out of the system except when we have already won the series, or to morally boost a batsman or if its a triple hundred
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Nair's a youngster though. It's great for his confidence. Also if this assures Rohit will no longer be selected it'll make me even happier than another win at home.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
And he scored at an SR of 79...almost 80.

First 100 was slow. Next 200 was super fast.

Laraesque.

Maybe even better in terms of pacing.
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Not watched his whole inngs but the lad's shot selection has been very good from what i seen

Apparently successful ends to rohith sharma's test carrier
 
No wicket English would be happy I say to just go back and sleep in their rooms after the most shabby bowling and fielding performance by a visiting team.
 
I think Kohli made a mistake, I don't think India have enough runs.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
His game against pacers is suspect. Looks really good against spinners.

Would love to hear the views of those who can analyze his batting.

[MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] [MENTION=1697]jusarrived[/MENTION] [MENTION=140266]JattMaula[/MENTION]
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I think he may struggle against bowlers like Hazelwood and in England when it swings . No obvious weakness in his technique against pace , infact plays the short ball very well . As long as he does not bat in Top3 , I dont think there is anything to worry . Spin off course I consider him as the best in the country .
 
Some whining in this thread is so cringe worthy and a disgrace. Come on India is already 3-0.
 
jusarrived said:
I think he may struggle against bowlers like Hazelwood and in England when it swings . No obvious weakness in his technique against pace , infact plays the short ball very well . As long as he does not bat in Top3 , I dont think there is anything to worry . Spin off course I consider him as the best in the country .
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[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

His technique against swing and seam is fine. Bounce is a thing you don't get in India. He failed in Australia in a 'A' tour recently IIRC. But that can be worked upon.
 
jusarrived said:
I think he may struggle against bowlers like Hazelwood and in England when it swings . No obvious weakness in his technique against pace , infact plays the short ball very well . As long as he does not bat in Top3 , I dont think there is anything to worry . Spin off course I consider him as the best in the country .
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JattMaula said:
[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

His technique against swing and seam is fine. Bounce is a thing you don't get in India. He failed in Australia in a 'A' tour recently IIRC. But that can be worked upon.
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Thanks....good to hear.
 
He looked good against pace bowlers and in fact played well against bouncers. Didn't see him bat for his first hundred runs though as apparently he wasn't that fluent for some posters.
 
With Jadeja and Ashwin bowling the bulk of the overs, India should bowl 100+ overs tomorrow and make up the 8-10 overs lost today. Note that if India had declared with 200 or so in front, they would almost certainly have had to bat again and in that case England would have ensured that no more than 90 would be bowled. Now, England can only overhaul India's lead in the last hour by which time India would bowl 80-85 overs. So, overall we haven't lost that many overs. What we have lost is the opportunity to bowl more overs at tired openers.
 
If the plan for late declaration was to end Mr. Talent test career for ever, then I am all good for it.

I won't mind that.
 
Ab Fan said:
If the plan for late declaration was to end Mr. Talent test career for ever, then I am all good for it.

I won't mind that.
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Well, the problem is what happens once Rahane comes in? I am sure there aren't many instances where a player got dropped after scoring a century, let a lone triple century. Would Kohli and co revert to playing 7 batsmen?
 
King Kong said:
Some whining in this thread is so cringe worthy and a disgrace. Come on India is already 3-0.
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This who cares whether you win a dead rubber at home. This is time to give youngsters a chance to prove themselves & Nair did that well.
 
despondent_artist said:
You know, it's all very good to pick on statements Kohli has made, but you have to consider this, the batsman in question despite whatever score he ended up with today will most likely not be an automatic starter for the next game. If the team is asking Nair to take one for the team in the next few games, it is extremely unfair on Nair if the team doesn't stand by him when he is in sight of a test triple. Test triples are not exactly easy to come by you know, if people are being asked to make sacrifices for the team cause, it isn't to much to expect the team to stand by a team mate once in a while - in a dead rubber.
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Thats the best put reasoning so far, for India's late declaration. Well put. makes sense
 
King Kong said:
Well, the problem is what happens once Rahane comes in? I am sure there aren't many instances where a player got dropped after scoring a century, let a lone triple century. Would Kohli and co revert to playing 7 batsmen?
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Might not be a regular member in the team but its good to have him as a first back-up replacement rather than having Rohit and if at times they have to switch to 7-4 then Nair can be picked in the team.

Indian batsmen these days are too prone to injuries too. Its to be seen if he will do well outside Asia or not.Manish Pandey is another backup although the stocks have gone down for him now.
 
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anindo said:
With Jadeja and Ashwin bowling the bulk of the overs, India should bowl 100+ overs tomorrow and make up the 8-10 overs lost today. Note that if India had declared with 200 or so in front, they would almost certainly have had to bat again and in that case England would have ensured that no more than 90 would be bowled. Now, England can only overhaul India's lead in the last hour by which time India would bowl 80-85 overs. So, overall we haven't lost that many overs. What we have lost is the opportunity to bowl more overs at tired openers.
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I think this is a good explanation, only negative is we lost the chance to bowl at tired openers.

Otherwise if england had come out and batted and got 250 odd, we would have had to come out and bat again.

By the time we had 250 odd lead i think it would have been horrific to ask K Nair to walk out with him on around 280 odd.
 
Ab Fan said:
Might not be a regular member in the team but its good to have him as a first back-up replacement rather than having Rohit and if at times they have to switch to 7-4 then Nair can be picked in the team.

Indian batsmen these days are too prone to injuries too. Its to be seen if he will do well outside Asia or not.Manish Pandey is another backup although the stocks have gone down for him now.
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How do you drop a guy who scored a triple ton, in the next match? Just how?

Rohit does provide that parttime offspin option (considering India is likely to go with 4 bowlers when he plays)
 
Can't agree with that reason cos when Nair was on 250...India's lead was over 200.

There was no need to let him get to 280 after which you would be forced to let him get triple.

If you really desperately wanted that 50 odd extra runs (I wouldn't know why you would want that but let's say), then you should have made it clear you would declare with him on 275 runs odd.

Poor captaincy and planning all around.

Its not about this game. Its about mindset which matters more.
 
It will be a draw. Not a pitch where you can bowl out opponent in 90 overs. Inspite of all that Kohli didn't have wait until Karun got to 300.
 
Moeen Ali is the English version of Asad Shafiq. A very frustrating player who when just on the verge of being dropped produces a wonderful innings. I don't think Jonny deserves to bat up the order because at the moment he's like an Angelo Mathews/Misbah type player with an awful conversion rate.

Once the obession with spinners being selected on batting potential ends, we can perhaps produce some decent spinners...but for now it's a waiting game with Rashid who clearly has potential. There should never be more than two all rounders in the team else it begins to become bits and pieces. THIS however doesn't mean the tail shouldn't learn to hold a bat.

My English XI
Cook
Haseeb
Jennings
Root
Moeen(providing he focuses more on batting now else I'd drop him and pick Buttler)
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes(depending on whether it's a pacer pitch or not else I'd drop him for a specialist bowler)
Rashid
Broad
Anderson/Ball
 
cric_fanatic said:
How do you drop a guy who scored a triple ton, in the next match? Just how?

Rohit does provide that parttime offspin option (considering India is likely to go with 4 bowlers when he plays)
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He will be included somehow in that 1 test vs Bangladesh.

However, a player of Rahane calibre can't be dropped whether we are playing in Nagpur or in Brisbane.
 
There's been some discussion about the shortage of quality English spinners. People must understand the mindset here. Captains just don't use spinners in an attacking role !

Their purpose is to give the seamers a rest and speed up the over rate. They'll get a few overs before lunch and tea and maybe some more before the second new ball and that's their lot. No wonder Cook doesn't know how to use his spinners and set a field for them.

ECB have tried to address this by scrapping the toss in the County Championship which has helped spinners somewhat as it means counties aren't as likely to roll out greentops, win the toss and send the oppo in so they can be rolled over by their military mediums.
 
As for England's blunt attack, firstly one must credit to the way India's batsmen have applied themselves. Its a quality lineup and hard to dismiss easily.

Mark Wood has been missed. With his pace and ability to reverse the ball, he'd have been an asset here. Sadly, his ankle seems to be made of string.

Speaking of reverse swing, where has it been ? They got the Kookaburra to reverse in Bangladesh, they got reverse last year in the UAE but here they haven't got the SG ball to reverse very much.
 
Ab Fan said:
He will be included somehow in that 1 test vs Bangladesh.

However, a player of Rahane calibre can't be dropped whether we are playing in Nagpur or in Brisbane.
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Rahane and Kohli are two of the best players against short balls in the world. Must play in all overseas matches. Rahane's issue is against spinners on slow low pitches.
 
Ashwin needs 2 wickets to achieve a very rare feat : 300 runs and 30 wickets in a series.
 
JattMaula said:
[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

His technique against swing and seam is fine. Bounce is a thing you don't get in India. He failed in Australia in a 'A' tour recently IIRC. But that can be worked upon.
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Failed in Aus dosent necessarily mean his game against short ball is weak , I have followed his game very closely he gets into good position playing the pull . His foot work is relatively poor and gets rooted some times, which is important to cover swing and he does drive a lot on offside , thats why think he may struggle in England .
 
jusarrived said:
Failed in Aus dosent necessarily mean his game against short ball is weak , I have followed his game very closely he gets into good position playing the pull . His foot work is relatively poor and gets rooted some times, which is important to cover swing and he does drive a lot on offside , thats why think he may struggle in England .
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What do you think of Ashwin's batting?

Sometimes he looks uncomfortable when the ball moves (swing or seam) but survives and gets those runs. Do you see him doing well overseas (like beyond the occasional 30s and 50s)?
 
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