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Until Pak exorcises its demon, healing won't take place. Your demon is chasing. If Pak wins a game against India by chasing the score down, it will shatter all the mental shackles that have been holding your team down and constraining its potential since long. I'd suggest Pakistan to bowl first after winning the toss.
 
Weather Forecast does not look bad max 43 % chances of rain that also in the evening
should be fine I guess
 
SalimLangda said:
Until Pak exorcises its demon, healing won't take place. Your demon is chasing. If Pak wins a game against India by chasing the score down, it will shatter all the mental shackles that have been holding your team down and constraining its potential since long. I'd suggest Pakistan to bowl first after winning the toss.
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I second that. India will be defeated by the decision itself They might not even turn up to bat
 
PakWarrior said:
Forget BBC forecast.

The match is not happening. There is 50 to 70% chance of rain with thunderstorms.

The toss may happen but that will be it.

It's a definite abandonment.
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Can you give us a link or something? Where are you getting this info from?
 
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Smart. These indoor training centres offer very good bounce with their surfaces
 
Syed1 said:
Streak will only be broken if we beat India fair and square. We don't believe in winning through rain like you guys count CT trophy. :asad1
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So you don't count 92 WC win and CT 17? Both times Pakistan wouldn't even have qualified if not for rain. :)
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
So you don't count 92 WC win and CT 17? Both times Pakistan wouldn't even have qualified if not for rain. :)
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Pakistan lost SA match in 92 due to rain
Luck evened up with England match abandonment

They were dominating against SA when rain came in CT17
 
Would love rain to take chunk of ICC profit as [MENTION=38994]dhump[/MENTION] says and save fans like us from total misery
 
hur rizvi said:
Pakistan lost SA match in 92 due to rain
Luck evened up with England match abandonment

They were dominating against SA when rain came in CT17
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That is something which no one understands, I was in Grade 3 at that time, exams were happening and I heard whisper from Teachers that 74/2 in 22nd Over and rain. I 100% remember how much was frustration among adult Pakistanis during that painful wait for re-starting of match. As per current duck worth lewis Pakistan would have won the match. But rules at that time ensured we lost completely unfairly.
Actually in 1992, Pakistan ideally should have had 10 points not 9 points.
 
Sarwar89 said:
That is something which no one understands, I was in Grade 3 at that time, exams were happening and I heard whisper from Teachers that 74/2 in 22nd Over and rain. I 100% remember how much was frustration among adult Pakistanis during that painful wait for re-starting of match. As per current duck worth lewis Pakistan would have won the match. But rules at that time ensured we lost completely unfairly.
Actually in 1992, Pakistan ideally should have had 10 points not 9 points.
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Kids who haven’t lived through the time depend too much on heresay
 
Whilst I agree Pakistan team is awful but this concept of fluke is utterly flawed. There is no way you can fluke wins in 50 over tournament. Discrediting well earned victories using this rubbish concept is against the spirit of the sport
 
The most striking thing over the last 2 decades has been the change of attitude in the Indian players against PK in the head to heads. Their batsman play without fear, bowlers rise to the occasion and the fielders give it everything. I want our players to be aggressive before, during and after the match. I dont want them to be friendly with Ind, i want them to look them in the eyes and show aggression. The only time in big games a player smashed the Indians around is FZ in the champions Trophy, we know he will fail on Sunday as he often does these days, but he has that attitude we lack.
 
- Hope we'll hav a good match....no rain
-- Hope we remember the match for the cricketing skills on the ground only...and not the ugly posturing/sendoffs/sledging
--- Hope the spectators watch amicably with no untoward incident.....its a game end of the day...:)...
Speaking for my fellow indian boggers--> hope we blog in the spirit of how Sachin, rahul, anil, VVS, msd, jazzboom, and the prev genners like the amarnaths, the pataudis, sunny g, vishy, vengy etc..(to name a few) played the game...with restraint in victory and dignity in defeat....in the spirit of the game...
-----getting fed up of the vitriol and amped up rhetoric....
-----> Hmmm.....guess its easier to pray for a world where no child goes to bed hungry...:)....peace and cheers :)
 
Why is the morale down boys.India bowling will be off radar due to clouds and will return empty handed.Their batting will misfire and they will crash like their MIGS.
ICC with India
Allah with Pak
 
Gullycricket said:
Why is the morale down boys.India bowling will be off radar due to clouds and will return empty handed.Their batting will misfire and they will crash like their MIGS.
ICC with India
Allah with Pak
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We threw away a match against a shoddy Australian team. India has been ruthless so far and are overwhelming favourites.

Also our players are mentally at their lowest in their careers I believe. None of these guys have any sort of stability in that upper compartment.

This is the first India-Pakistan game I really don't care about. Very disappointed by how Pakistan has played throughout this World Cup. It's like these players have been bullied into their shells by Twitter/Youtube trolls.
 
Gullycricket said:
Why is the morale down boys.India bowling will be off radar due to clouds and will return empty handed.Their batting will misfire and they will crash like their MIGS.
ICC with India
Allah with Pak
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I thought the Divine entity is supposed to love all without any discrimination.
 
Dhawan will be badly missed.No faith in shankar at 4.No clue what will happen with rahul.Might destroy pakistan bowling,might be out first over.
3 pak players to watch out for - azam,malik and amir.Hope they drop malik.
Bumrah and bhuvi/shami will deal with the hack zaman with chin music.Chin music should also be reserved for the oldie professor .Kohli has to step up against amir.Hardik and dhoni to remain to deal with shadab.
 
Thousands of cricket fans will head to Manchester this weekend ahead of the World Cup clash between India and Pakistan.

Armed police will be part of a huge policing operation as the two countries face off at Old Trafford on Sunday.

It is one of sport's biggest games and bitterest rivalries which is likely to draw a global television audience of one billion.

More than 700,000 people applied for tickets to the game.

The two countries rarely play outside of major tournaments due to political tensions.

Lancashire Cricket Club's Business Manager, Warren Hegg, told the BBC: "It's probably one of the biggest games in cricket.

"Cricket is life in that part of the world and both sets of fans are really fanatical about the game...the atmosphere is gong to be electric."

Due to the overwhelming interest in the game, a fan zone - which can hold up to 3,500 people - has been established in Cathedral Gardens where the match can be viewed on a big screen.

Both sides have large British fan-bases, meaning the 25,000 capacity Old Trafford ground was sold out almost instantly.

But Rakesh Patel - who set up The Bharat Army in 1999 - is one of the lucky few with a ticket.

"We have been waiting over four years for this match. It's the biggest match in cricket," he said.

But the weather could be a factor, as showers are expected on Sunday.

Mr Patel added: "Hopefully the rain will stay away and we will get a result."

Ch Supt Graeme Openshaw said armed police would be among the increased amount of officers deployed around Old Trafford and in the city.

He added: "Expect firm, fair and friendly policing. We are not out to spoil your fun, but we will not tolerate criminal behaviour. "

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england...ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=english_regions
 
80% chance of rain at 4PM. Winner will be decided by DLS. Win toss & bowl.
 
Nov15 said:
80% chance of rain at 4PM. Winner will be decided by DLS. Win toss & bowl.
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Yes this is looking likely.

Match may be abandoned altogether as rain is starting from 10 am. Then it will stop at 11 am but continue non stop from 12 onwards.

So big possibility we might not see a ball being bowled.

A big shame and a disappointment.

Had planned it for weeks.

Roast chicken and kebabs with strawberry trifle with friends and family was planned this Sunday. But rain ruined it sadly.
 
If Pakistan win this match, it will give them massive confidence for the next matches.

I hope Pakistan wins it.
 
PakWarrior said:
Forget BBC forecast.

The match is not happening. There is 50 to 70% chance of rain with thunderstorms.

The toss may happen but that will be it.

It's a definite abandonment.
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PakWarrior said:
Yes this is looking likely.

Match may be abandoned altogether as rain is starting from 10 am. Then it will stop at 11 am but continue non stop from 12 onwards.

So big possibility we might not see a ball being bowled.

A big shame and a disappointment.

Had planned it for weeks.

Roast chicken and kebabs with strawberry trifle with friends and family was planned this Sunday. But rain ruined it sadly.
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Mate, we get it. You have a dinner or whatever planned with your friends and stop saying that the rain ruined it. Stop lying about the weather. There are some people here who would actually believe you. It's predicted to rain after 4 and that's it. 10-3 is predicted to be clear. Even the rain forecasted for 4pm will probably not happen.
 
Anyone on here going to the game? Would be nice to meet up at the ground because we will be heavily outnumbered by the Indian fans...
 
hasanali said:
We need 1 or 2 points in this game.
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1 point may not be enough for Pakistan.

After England beat WI today, NZ, Eng, and Aus would have played the same number of games as Pakistan (4) and have 4, 3 and 3 points more. For Pakistan to overtake any of these 3, it will have to win 2 more games than they win. This seems unlikely.

The most likely scenario for Pakistan to get into the top 4 is to beat India and then hope England beats India too. Assuming no more rained out games, if Pakistan and India win all other matches then they will be even at 13 points. It will come down to the NRR. The team beating up Afg, Bang etc. more will go through.

If the Ind-Pak match is rained out, it would be very difficult for Pak to get more or equal points to NZ, Aus, Eng and India, and it would be out of the tournament.
 
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Napa said:
1 point may not be enough for Pakistan.

After England beat WI today, NZ, Eng, and Aus would have played the same number of games as Pakistan (4) and have 4, 3 and 3 points more. For Pakistan to overtake any of these 3, it will have to win 2 more games than they win. This seems unlikely.


The most likely scenario for Pakistan to get into the top 4 is to beat India and then hope England beats India too. Assuming no more rained out games, if Pakistan and India win all other matches then they will be even at 13 points. It will come down to the NRR. The team beating up Afg, Bang etc. more will go through.

If the Ind-Pak match is rained out, it would be very difficult for Pak to get more or equal points to NZ, Aus, Eng and India, and it would be out of the tournament.
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NZ SA is looking like a washout five days out.
 
hasanali said:
NZ SA is looking like a washout five days out.
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This is not a world cup. This is a rain cup. Some teams seriously were affected due to this. Sometimes even the matches they are not part of can impact their chances. For instance you are going neck and neck with another team. You lose to England. The other team gets a point due to rain. That impacts your chances.
 
hasanali said:
NZ SA is looking like a washout five days out.
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That would mean that SA are gone from the WC by all money and it also puts in doubt NZ's semi spot. NZ are expected to drop the England game and if we beat NZ and the rest of the sides (BD, AFG, SA) we will go past NZ even if we lose India game.
 
Certainly a very poor World Cup. And the sad thing is it isn’t over yet. If by the time the tournament finishes, there have been fewer than ten washouts then I will be very surprised.
 
Came across this on manchester evening news.

However on Sunday the rain will make a return, unfortunately during the time the world cup match is due to take place.

There is a risk of showers developing across the North West and there could even be a bit of thunder.
 
PakWarrior said:
Yes this is looking likely.

Match may be abandoned altogether as rain is starting from 10 am. Then it will stop at 11 am but continue non stop from 12 onwards.

So big possibility we might not see a ball being bowled.

A big shame and a disappointment.

Had planned it for weeks.

Roast chicken and kebabs with strawberry trifle with friends and family was planned this Sunday. But rain ruined it sadly.
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Aren't you the same guy who said Pak vs Aus would be washed out too?

Almost slept in that day taking your advice. Thank goodness I didn't.
 
I’m going to the game ! It’s the big one . As for the weather . I’ve just had a look at BBC weather . There is rain after 3 pm but that to at a 30 percent chance . Don’t think rain will affect the match .
 
With middle order of hafeez sarfraz malik and asif we are set lose at least 3 out of remaining 5 matches.
Lets brace ourselves for a poor performance by these poor players against India.
 
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The expectations seem to be lower than the CT, maybe the team will pleasantly surprise us again.

I'm not liking the different forecasts by BBC weather and metoffice, I hope bbc weather is closer to the truth with a bit less rain.
 
shokz1408 said:
The expectations seem to be lower than the CT, maybe the team will pleasantly surprise us again.

I'm not liking the different forecasts by BBC weather and metoffice, I hope bbc weather is closer to the truth with a bit less rain.
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Pretty weird tbh. The forecasts are miles apart.
 
Can anyone get Saj to suggest Pak to drop Asif, Malik for Imad and Shadab so we might have some chance.
 
Is BBC weather accurate?

Because if you go by it, the match is definitely happening upto now.
 
Sarfraz hints Malik might play against India :facepalm:
[MENTION=149383]Ronaldo7[/MENTION] someone on this forum must be very happy...
 
Usman Chadda said:
We threw away a match against a shoddy Australian team. India has been ruthless so far and are overwhelming favourites.

Also our players are mentally at their lowest in their careers I believe. None of these guys have any sort of stability in that upper compartment.

This is the first India-Pakistan game I really don't care about. Very disappointed by how Pakistan has played throughout this World Cup. It's like these players have been bullied into their shells by Twitter/Youtube trolls.
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Dont be so negative. We all know chasing 300 plus in a WC game is not easy, especially vs AUS.

Count on Amir and Wahab to bowl their heart out. Thats a given. After the AUS debacle Shadab will be back for sure.
 
okay, ignoring all the forecasts and probability based results for a minute, can someone with better math skills than me post how big of phainty do we need to dish out to India to displace them at 4th position come sunday?

they are sitting on 5 points, we are sitting on 3 points, their NRR is .539 ours is -1.796, for more info on for/against runs/wickets, check world cup site. i know its not easy to come with one scenario as batting first/second/all-out affect it. perhaps assume two options:
1) we bat first score 350. then how much we have to get them all out for?
2) they bat first we get them all out for 180, how many overs we have to chase it in?

i know it may not be realistic, but just wanted to know in any case.

also its unlikely Sarfraz can do this, but if we know the margin, after toss when commie ask him about how much he think they want to score, he can just say, we want 350+ and then get them all out under 1xx so we can be in 4th spot after this game and not have to worry about NRR.
 
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TNAmarkFromIndia said:
Shoaib Malik tends to perform well against India so I'd be happy if he doesn't make the XI.
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He has scored only one fifty against India in the last 10 years, in a match where India sauntered to a 10 wicket (or somewhere around that margin) victory.
 
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Syed1 said:
That would mean that SA are gone from the WC by all money and it also puts in doubt NZ's semi spot. NZ are expected to drop the England game and if we beat NZ and the rest of the sides (BD, AFG, SA) we will go past NZ even if we lose India game.
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If you lose to India and beat everybody else remaining, then you will have 11 points.

If NZ SA washout and Nz loses to you and England only, then it will have 12 points.

At this point it seems that the India game is a must win for Pakistan.
 
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mon858 said:
okay, ignoring all the forecasts and probability based results for a minute, can someone with better math skills than me post how big of phainty do we need to dish out to India to displace them at 4th position come sunday?

they are sitting on 5 points, we are sitting on 3 points, their NRR is .539 ours is -1.796, for more info on for/against runs/wickets, check world cup site. i know its not easy to come with one scenario as batting first/second/all-out affect it. perhaps assume two options:
1) we bat first score 350. then how much we have to get them all out for?
2) they bat first we get them all out for 180, how many overs we have to chase it in?

i know it may not be realistic, but just wanted to know in any case.

also its unlikely Sarfraz can do this, but if we know the margin, after toss when commie ask him about how much he think they want to score, he can just say, we want 350+ and then get them all out under 1xx so we can be in 4th spot after this game and not have to worry about NRR.
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The gap between Pakistan’s and India’s run rate is 2.335.

Net Run Rate = (Total Runs Scored / Total Overs Faced) – (Total Runs Conceded /Total Overs Bowled)

Suppose Pakistan bats first and scores 350 in 50 overs and bowl out India for 180 (highly unlikely) in 45 overs, this could be the NRR we can get:

Net Run Rate = (350/50) - (180/45) = 7 - 4 = 3.

This will make sure Pakistan’s run rate goes from - 1.796 to + 1.204.
 
Mueez said:
The gap between Pakistan’s and India’s run rate is 2.335.

Net Run Rate = (Total Runs Scored / Total Overs Faced) – (Total Runs Conceded /Total Overs Bowled)

Suppose Pakistan bats first and scores 350 in 50 overs and bowl out India for 180 (highly unlikely) in 45 overs, this could be the NRR we can get:

Net Run Rate = (350/50) - (180/45) = 7 - 4 = 3.

This will make sure Pakistan’s run rate goes from - 1.796 to + 1.204.
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1. The current run rates are after 3 completed games. So they will have approximately 3 times the weight as the next single game.

2, if a side is all out in 45 overs, then the calculation is made for 50 overs.
 
Mueez said:
The gap between Pakistan’s and India’s run rate is 2.335.

Net Run Rate = (Total Runs Scored / Total Overs Faced) – (Total Runs Conceded /Total Overs Bowled)

Suppose Pakistan bats first and scores 350 in 50 overs and bowl out India for 180 (highly unlikely) in 45 overs, this could be the NRR we can get:

Net Run Rate = (350/50) - (180/45) = 7 - 4 = 3.

This will make sure Pakistan’s run rate goes from - 1.796 to + 1.204.
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Basically, we need an identical scorecard to CT 2017 final.
 
Napa said:
1. The current run rates are after 3 completed games. So they will have approximately 3 times the weight as the next single game.

2, if a side is all out in 45 overs, then the calculation is made for 50 overs.
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yes, we can't do one game calculation in isolation, it needs to reflect past games total runs/wickets for and against which is available on points table.

our Bangladesh brothers tend to be good at this stuff. :) [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
 
Heavy rain has returned, same expected tomorrow. Sunday will be a washout.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Heavy rain has returned, same expected tomorrow. Sunday will be a washout.
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Yes, just had a look outside, it's raining and pretty grim. There might not be any rain for the start of the match but I guess the outfield needs to be dry and they wont have covered the whole of it?
 
How is old trafford ground in general? Will it be so bad that it is beyond repair in quick time. Atleast two matches got cancelled because of ground rather than rain istelf.
 
Amjid and Kroll,

I've been saying again and again in this thread that the match will be a washout but NO some people want to believe their BBC weather report which is quite inaccurate.
 
Kroll said:
Yes, just had a look outside, it's raining and pretty grim. There might not be any rain for the start of the match but I guess the outfield needs to be dry and they wont have covered the whole of it?
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I doubt the whole square will be covered, add to that its windy as hell outdide and it making rain worse. Im in castlefield, 10 minutes away from the ground and way rains coming down now and expected tomorrow i doubt ground will be in a fit state even if its dry sunday which it wont.
 
If there is heavy rain on Saturday then it will be a wet Sunday morning pitch regardless.
 
PakWarrior said:
Amjid and Kroll,

I've been saying again and again in this thread that the match will be a washout but NO some people want to believe their BBC weather report which is quite inaccurate.
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Maybe i should upload pictures of geese jumping around in castlefield canal enjoying the rain.
 
Amjid Javed said:
I doubt the whole square will be covered, add to that its windy as hell outdide and it making rain worse. Im in castlefield, 10 minutes away from the ground and way rains coming down now and expected tomorrow i doubt ground will be in a fit state even if its dry sunday which it wont.
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Exactly.
 
Mueez said:
The gap between Pakistan’s and India’s run rate is 2.335.

Net Run Rate = (Total Runs Scored / Total Overs Faced) – (Total Runs Conceded /Total Overs Bowled)

Suppose Pakistan bats first and scores 350 in 50 overs and bowl out India for 180 (highly unlikely) in 45 overs, this could be the NRR we can get:

Net Run Rate = (350/50) - (180/45) = 7 - 4 = 3.

This will make sure Pakistan’s run rate goes from - 1.796 to + 1.204.
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that is the wrong calculation. here is what happens in your your scenario

Pak currently for 719/150 over and against 749/113.4 overs so their net run rate is 175/150 - 749/113.4 => 4.793 - 6.589 = -1.7961

Similarly India NRR currently 582/97.3 - 543/100 = 5.969 - 5.43 = 0.539

Post your scenario

Pak will be (719 + 350)/(150 + 50) - (749 + 280)/(113.4 + 45) = 5.345 - 5.855 -0.51

India will be (582+180)/(97.3+50) - (543+350)/(100+50) = 5.166 - 5.9533 = -0.787
 
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