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Culturally and linguistically they don't have too much in common with pashtuns as they lived in Punjab for generations.
But that also doesn't make then punjabi in ethnic terms.
A white person can be born in lahore and speak fluent punjabi but that doesn't make him punjabi ethnically.
Race etc is all man made. There is no such thing as ethnic pashtuns and I say this is a Pashtun myself.
I know people make a big deal of it but if you trace it back eventually even pashtuns are no ethnic pashtuns same for punjabis
Do people still care about such things? Whether he is Pashtun or Punjabi wouldn't change who he was or who he is.
No! but nothing wrong in discussing his ethnic back ground as long as nothing disrespectful is said.
Lets not try to turn everything in to race, beliefs, or nationality.
Then why discuss it at all? And what's even the objective or purpose of having such discussions?
why not?
Aren't you proud of your background and where you came from?
Why should one feel proud or ashamed of their ethnicity? As far as I am concerned, race or ethnicity doesn't tell you anything about a person. You cannot infer whether a person is good natured or rude; lazy or hard-working; kind or unkind, among many other things, based on their ethnicity.
You are trying to create a controversy when there isn't any.
[MENTION=22846]Nostalgic[/MENTION] bhai, where are you when people need you?
I'm just replying to your question.
He knows both pashto and Punjabi well
Well if you trace it back far enough we all came from Adam and Eve for the religious out there. Or for the atheists out there, humans evolved from apes.
But that isnt how ethnicity is defined in this day and age.
He knows both pashto and Punjabi well
A couple of additional points: traditionally, and this will be somewhat controversial and not something everyone will agree with today (see @Badaha’s post in this thread), Pashtun identity was primarily based on the belief of descent from a common ancestor, even though there were exceptions to this. Punjabi origin is more geographic and cultural: ethnic rather than, and I hate to use the word, racial. Therefore it’s perfectly possible to be both Pashtun and Punjabi, such as Imran Khan.
Also we had an argument a few months back whether we would call such an example a Punjabi Pashtun or a Pashtun Punjabi. There can be arguments for either: whether Punjabi would be the primary designator of identity and Pashtun the adjective or modifier, or whether it should be the other way round.
Nothing wrong with being proud of your ethnicity, and it only makes a nation strong and not weaker. Here in USA, they all enjoy and are proud of their Irish, Italian, German, African background and ethnicity. Pakistanis are Pathans, Punjabi, Sindhi, Baluchi and from some other ethnic backgrounds, its just add more colors and creates versatility to a nation.
I've read about common ancestoral belief once somewhere but need to find it again.
So according to you are Sethis (who have been living in central Peshawar for centuries ) pashtuns? Just curious to know what you think.
I think Pashto speaking Pakhtuns are not too eager to consider Niazis as Pakhtuns.
Niazis are Pathan by blood but their language changed. Imran's mother was a Pathan and father was a Niazi. Imran can speak Punjabi fluently
Niazis are Pathan by blood but their language changed. Imran's mother was a Pathan and father was a Niazi. Imran can speak Punjabi fluently
He is a pathan. I mean he himself says that too.
He’s also called himself a Muhajir
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Niazi is a pashtun tribe so saying his "mother is pathan and dad is a niazi" is contradictory and implies they're from two different ethnic groups when they're not. That's like saying Shahid Afridi isn't a pathan but an "Afridi".
Sorry i meant to say "from a Pathan family with links in Waziristan". Her mother family moved from East Pakistan. IK was always very close to her maternal family that's one of the reason he ended up becoming a cricketer.
Are Misbah and Shadab Niazi's?
Okay, I think you mean east punjab.
why not?
Aren't you proud of your background and where you came from?
I'm Punjabi and my wife is Pathan. She says IK is Niazi Pathan , I say he was born and raised in Lahore also his ancestors , so he is Punjabi, wonder who is correct ?
It always makes me laugh just how confused Pakistanis are when it comes to knowing who they are. You people have such a hard time differentiating nationality, ethnicity, religion and languages from one another. Talk about a sad state of confusion.
I'm going to give you a quick 101 onto how to classify people living in Pakistan.
By nationality
Pakistani
By ethnicity
Balti
Baloch
Brahui
Burusho
Hazara
Kalash
Kashmiri
Kho
Muhajir
Pashtun
Punjabi
Shina
Siddi
Sindhi
Tajik
Wakhi
By language
Aer
Badeshi
Bagri
Balochi
Balti
Bateri
Brahui
Burushaski
Chilisso
Dari
Dameli
Dehwari
Dogri
Domaaki
Gawar-Bati
Gowro
Gujari
Hazaragi
Hindko
Jadgali
Kashmiri
Khetrani
Kalami
Kalasha-mun
Kalkoti
Kamviri
Khowar
Kohistani
Kundal
Mankiyali
Munji
Memoni
Mewari
Ormuri
Pahari-Pothwari
Pashto
Purgi
Punjabi
Saraiki
Shahi
Shina
Sindhi
Torwali
Ushoji
Wazir
Wanetsi
Wakhi
Yidgha
Pashtuns are an ethnicity. They mostly speak Pashto, but also Balochi, Hindko, Urdu and Dari.
Baloch are an ethnicity. In Ranjanpur, they are fluent in Punjabi language since they have lived their for hundreds of years.
Stop confusing ethnicity with language please.
Well if you trace it back far enough we all came from Adam and Eve for the religious out there. <b>Or for the atheists out there, humans evolved from apes.</b>
But that isnt how ethnicity is defined in this day and age.
But then isn't Nawaz sharif Kashmiri ethnically
It always makes me laugh just how confused Pakistanis are when it comes to knowing who they are. You people have such a hard time differentiating nationality, ethnicity, religion and languages from one another. Talk about a sad state of confusion.
I'm going to give you a quick 101 onto how to classify people living in Pakistan.
By nationality
Pakistani
By ethnicity
Balti
Baloch
Brahui
Burusho
Hazara
Kalash
Kashmiri
Kho
Muhajir
Pashtun
Punjabi
Shina
Siddi
Sindhi
Tajik
Wakhi
By language
Aer
Badeshi
Bagri
Balochi
Balti
Bateri
Brahui
Burushaski
Chilisso
Dari
Dameli
Dehwari
Dogri
Domaaki
Gawar-Bati
Gowro
Gujari
Hazaragi
Hindko
Jadgali
Kashmiri
Khetrani
Kalami
Kalasha-mun
Kalkoti
Kamviri
Khowar
Kohistani
Kundal
Mankiyali
Munji
Memoni
Mewari
Ormuri
Pahari-Pothwari
Pashto
Purgi
Punjabi
Saraiki
Shahi
Shina
Sindhi
Torwali
Ushoji
Wazir
Wanetsi
Wakhi
Yidgha
Pashtuns are an ethnicity. They mostly speak Pashto, but also Balochi, Hindko, Urdu and Dari.
Baloch are an ethnicity. In Ranjanpur, they are fluent in Punjabi language since they have lived their for hundreds of years.
Stop confusing ethnicity with language please.
Ethnicity is not race.
Muhajir isn't really an ethnicity.
He identifies himself as Pathan - I am sure, I have read somewhere (may be All-round view), he wrote that he was raised in a Pathan style family and his elder sister were quite funny regarding his face (facial look) & appearance. Wiki also identifies him being raised in a Pashtun family. Also, I have seen few Pashtuns - each one is fluent in Urdu and often in Punjabi as well, but I have met lot more Punjabis - hardly anyone can speak Pashtun. My sample could be biased, but this gives a clue that a Khan fluent in Pashtun & Punjabi is probably a Pathan than Punjabi. Another clue is, Imran's nose is not like the Punjabi's (majority), rather like Afghans and his eyes are definitely like the Afghans (smaller).
This is what is written at Wiki (Not a reliable source, but indicative enough) -
Khan was born in Lahore on 5 October 1952.[9] Some reports suggest he was born on 25 November 1952.[32][33][34][35] It was reported that 25 November was wrongly mentioned by Pakistan Cricket Board officials on his passport.[9] He is the only son of Ikramullah Khan Niazi, a civil engineer, and his wife Shaukat Khanum, and has four sisters.[36] Long settled in Mianwali in northwestern Punjab, his paternal family are of Pashtun ethnicity and belong to the Niazi tribe,[37][38] and one of his ancestors, Haibat Khan Niazi, in the 16th century, "was one of Sher Shah Suri's leading generals, as well as being the governor of Punjab."[39] Khan's mother hailed from the Pashtun tribe of Burki, which had produced several successful cricketers in Pakistan's history,[36] including his cousins Javed Burki and Majid Khan.[37] Maternally, Khan is also a descendant of the Sufi warrior-poet and inventor of the Pashto alphabet, Pir Roshan, who hailed from his maternal family's ancestral Kaniguram town located in South Waziristan in the tribal areas of northwest Pakistan.[40] His maternal family was based in Basti Danishmanda, Jalandhar, British India for about 600 years.[41][42]
And, this is what regarding his family -
The family of Imran Khan, the current Prime Minister of Pakistan and former captain of the Pakistan cricket team, is the current First Family of Pakistan. It includes immediate family members and distant relatives from both his paternal and maternal sides. Khan was born on 5 October 1952 in Lahore to father Ikramullah Khan Niazi, a civil engineer, and mother Shaukat Khanum. [1] He grew up as the only son in the family, with four sisters. The family are ethnically of Pashtun origin. Paternally, Khan belongs to the Niazi Pashtun tribe which has long been settled in Mianwali in northwestern Punjab.[2] Khan's mother hailed from the Burki Pashtun tribe settled in Malerkotla (Punjab), which emigrated a few centuries ago from South Waziristan in the tribal areas of northwest Pakistan.[1] Khan's maternal family has produced several great cricketers, the most prominent of whom are Javed Burki and Majid Khan.[2]
From 1995 to 2004, Imran Khan was married to Jemima Goldsmith, a British socialite turned writer and activist, and member of the influential Goldschmidt family of England. They have two sons from the marriage, Sulaiman Isa Khan (born 1996) and Kasim Khan (born 1999). The marriage ended amicably in divorce in 2004. In early 2015, Khan announced his marriage to the British Pakistani journalist Reham Khan. The marriage lasted nine months and ended in divorce on 30 October 2015.[3] In 2018, he married Bushra Maneka, who was previously his spiritual mentor.[4]