Low ticket sales for India’s tour of Australia

[Varun]

In a way, India not being the #1 draw is a good thing.

About time the rest of the nations - including NZ - did their bit for test cricket. If they are shading us in parameters like gate revenue and crowd numbers it can only be a good thing for the world game.

Good on them.

 

[KevinFern]

Ten years down the line i would be remembering this series for its results, not for the crowd. And given how this is playing out i would say its be great if aussie supporting crowd keeping away and desis in Australia outnumbering them.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Lowest crowd of the match on Day 4, even though it’s a Sunday and the match was well poised.

22,157 was today’s attendance for a total of 102,000 over the four days so far.

New Zealand attracted 123,736 sales in 3 days.

India have sold 102,000 tickets in 4 days.

So ticket sales are around $4 million under targeted levels.

It’s been interesting today to hear from Cricket Australia that India will only be invited back to play Tests in Adelaide if they agree to play Day/Night matches.

Otherwise they will get Canberra or Hobart instead.

I think Cricket Australia are going through exactly what the ECB did four months ago and Cricket South Africa did in January.

They had all actually started to believe that India was a close second to England as a Box Office magnet, and 2018 has taught them that India delivers TV revenue and very little else.

Offical reports say that board earned $20 millions extra from tickets sale itself. So overall it's advantageous situation fo them.

 

[cricketindiafan]

The Indian excuses are a little amusing.

How does hot weather affect an Australian Test crowd? Everyone buys their tickets at least six months in advance.

And train strikes? Really? The trains just got replaced with buses!

Listen to commentary, read articles without your blinkered glasses. You even lied about the Adelaide weather, you lie about viewership numbers and you continue to make up facts.

Trains have been replaced by some buses. But If you read articles, you'd know train ride is 30 minutes, buses take 90-120 minutes. But can't expect that bit of honesty from you.

As for CA schefuling us at Hobart or Canbera, can we see some links to support your claim?

BTW by WACA test, these nobodies would perhaps have crossed 230000 by a team full of superstars did 2 years ago in 3 tests at Gaba, SCG and MCG. Expect the tour to end with roughly 500000 attendance for tests.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Any link that says India will get Hobart or Canberra next time?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Offical reports say that board earned $20 millions extra from tickets sale itself. So overall it's advantageous situation fo them.

Link please.

 

[HitWicket]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Any link that says India will get Hobart or Canberra next time?

Wouldn't expect an answer, he's already made false claims about the BCCIs financial statements and conveniently ignored multiple posts asking for him to back up his statements.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Wouldn't expect an answer, he's already made false claims about the BCCIs financial statements and conveniently ignored multiple posts asking for him to back up his statements.

He has made false claims after false claims.

On this very thread he has made multiple false claims.

1. TV revenues only help CA and the stadium operators have only ticket and hospitality sales as revenue.

2. Comfortably left out tv viewership of one channel to claim TV viewership was less.

3.Claimed that everyone buys tickets 6 months in advance.

4. Now claims CA said that India will only get Hobart or Canberra.

So many false claims on one thread.

 

[Junaids]

Listen to commentary, read articles without your blinkered glasses. You even lied about the Adelaide weather, you lie about viewership numbers and you continue to make up facts.

Trains have been replaced by some buses. But If you read articles, you'd know train ride is 30 minutes, buses take 90-120 minutes. But can't expect that bit of honesty from you.

As for CA schefuling us at Hobart or Canbera, can we see some links to support your claim?

BTW by WACA test, these nobodies would perhaps have crossed 230000 by a team full of superstars did 2 years ago in 3 tests at Gaba, SCG and MCG. Expect the tour to end with roughly 500000 attendance for tests.

90-120 minutes on a bus in Adelaide? Have you been to Adelaide? That’s absurd.

On the Cricinfo commentary at over 36.2 this afternoon, the commentator wrote “might be the last Day Test in Adelaide for a while. Cricket Australia CEO Kevin Roberts is pushing for all future Adelaide Tests to be Day/Night fixtures”.

That also fits with the comments of South Australia Cricket Association (Adelaide Oval owners) chief Keith Bradshaw, who has lamented the reduced ticket sales this year and squarely blamed them on India’s refusal to play Day/Night Tests.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...est-opener-against-india-20181204-p50k5s.html

Which led to the ABC Radio commentary this afternoon: Indian TV revenue is the same wherever the match is hosted in Australia. But the SACA almost certainly wouldn’t put itself forward to host an India Test next time after the losses it has taken this year, unless India agreed to a Day/Night fixture.

We have already seen this happen this year, with Brisbane opting to host a Day/Night Test against Sri Lanka rather than a Day Test against India.

 

[Junaids]

He has made false claims after false claims.

On this very thread he has made multiple false claims.

1. TV revenues only help CA and the stadium operators have only ticket and hospitality sales as revenue.

2. Comfortably left out tv viewership of one channel to claim TV viewership was less.

3.Claimed that everyone buys tickets 6 months in advance.

4. Now claims CA said that India will only get Hobart or Canberra.

So many false claims on one thread.

Er, actually no.

I have listed every single day the pathetic attendance figures for the India Test.

I have posted extensive links.

I specifically wrote about the unusually low Free-to-air terrestrial TV ratings.

None of those things are lies. They are just facts that you don’t like.

 

[Sidilicious]

So what if the attendance is low? Whats the big deal? So what if India get to play at one of the smaller venues instead of Adelaide?

They will still sell for Boxing Day and New Years test. And they will still be invited as frequently as England. Aren't we already touring in 2 years time?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Er, actually no.

I have listed every single day the pathetic attendance figures for the India Test.

I have posted extensive links.

I specifically wrote about the unusually low Free-to-air terrestrial TV ratings.

None of those things are lies. They are just facts that you don’t like.

Lies lies and just more lies.

1. [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] posted how CA shares revenue with state associations.

2. Fox is one of the rights holder, so why will there viewership not counted?

3. You have compared a day test to a day night test attendance. Nobody here is a fool to fall for that.

4. Where is a source to your claim that everyone in australia buy tickets 6 months in advance? Where is your source saying CA said India will get Hobart and Canberra next time?

What you posted are lies or half truths. Unfortunately for you these do not matter to the decision makers in cricket. So cry all you want.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So what if the attendance is low? Whats the big deal? So what if India get to play at one of the smaller venues instead of Adelaide?

They will still sell for Boxing Day and New Years test. And they will still be invited as frequently as England. Aren't we already touring in 2 years time?

Yes India will tour again in 2020. JunaidS and his friends cannot do anything about that.

 

[Hitman]

Yes India will tour again in 2020. JunaidS and his friends cannot do anything about that.

And we all know what the reaction of CA will be if India for some reason refuses to tour

Such a shame CA officials don't have the brains to realize what's so blatantly obvious to some posters here. Shame they keep fooling themselves trying to cash in over a 'fake' Indian media hyped rivalry.

 

[Junaids]

Yes India will tour again in 2020. JunaidS and his friends cannot do anything about that.

And how interested do you think the cricket public will be in watching India come back too soon yet again?

Cricket Australia might like the rupees from Indian TV. But does anyone in Australia actually want to watch?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

And how interested do you think the cricket public will be in watching India come back too soon yet again?

Cricket Australia might like the rupees from Indian TV. But does anyone in Australia actually want to watch?

Considering the attendances for the ODI's which were D/N, it looks like OZ public want Saffers even less.

 

[cricketindiafan]

24k, 26k, 30k, 22k and 11k today, total ticket sales of 112868 across the 5 days, almost the same as last Adelaide test we played in 2014 (albeit with a lower capacity).

Now to the Optus Stadium at Perth where WACA is expecting 70,000 people each to turn up for first four days (as of 7th December). Apparently th agreement is any test that sees at least 60000 in first four days will be played at Optus -Stadium else at the old WACA stadium. WACA chief had precidted frst three days to have 40k, 34k and 26k - total of 100k in first 3 days but there till 7th Dec there was limited response from Indian community pushing the sales down.

Today's win should push at least 15-20k more people, mainly Indians living in Perth, to the test match, taking the number close to 100k for the test once again.

 

[latecut]

But but but nobody in Australia wants to watch this match.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

And how interested do you think the cricket public will be in watching India come back too soon yet again?

Cricket Australia might like the rupees from Indian TV. But does anyone in Australia actually want to watch?

Can you share some insight into why the crowd wants to watch Pakistan getting thumped regularly 3-0 every time they tour, instead of India who at least manage to draw a few (and now have actually won a test?)

It would be quite interesting.

 

[Mamba Red]

The new stadium looks amazing, will be packed on Friday and over the weekend, but reports are that ticket sales are slow so far. All reports are that the pitch is a flyer and hopefully is going to be close to the WACA pitch of old with lots of pace and bounce.

Adelaide, Sydney has been traditionally slow pitches but Adelaide has always provided us with great Test matches, Melbourne has just become a dull pitch after the drop in pitches become the norm, but Brisbane where there is no test match played this year is fast, bouncy and swings from day 1 because of the conditions in Queensland.

You can guarantee the MCG is going to be packed out on Boxing day and for 2 days after Boxing Day, I am going to say it now MCG on day 1 will be close to 90,000 and 70,000 for day two, no better sight in the world when the MCG is packed.

I went to the AFL Grand Final this year and the MCG was sold out with 105,000 people, what an awesome sight that was.

 

[Napa]

Can you share some insight into why the crowd wants to watch Pakistan getting thumped regularly 3-0 every time they tour, instead of India who at least manage to draw a few (and now have actually won a test?)

It would be quite interesting.

The crowds want to see the magic of Pakistan winning a Test match by batting for 2 sessions and declaring, followed by the Aussie batting crumbling under the pink ball onslaught under lights.

 

[Junaids]

Can you share some insight into why the crowd wants to watch Pakistan getting thumped regularly 3-0 every time they tour, instead of India who at least manage to draw a few (and now have actually won a test?)

It would be quite interesting.

Considering that New Zealand got 35% more spectators in 3 days at Adelaide than India managed in 5 days, it’s fair to say that the Aussie cricket public would probably like a four year cycle something like this:

Year 1: England 5 Tests, Bangladesh 1
Year 2: New Zealand 4 Tests, West Indies 2
Year 3: South Africa 4 Tests, Sri Lanka 2
Year 4: India 3 Tests, Pakistan 3 Tests

Do you not think that pretty much matches supply to demand?

 

[jagatk]

Considering that New Zealand got 35% more spectators in 3 days at Adelaide than India managed in 5 days, it’s fair to say that the Aussie cricket public would probably like a four year cycle something like this:

Year 1: England 5 Tests, Bangladesh 1
Year 2: New Zealand 4 Tests, West Indies 2
Year 3: South Africa 4 Tests, Sri Lanka 2
Year 4: India 3 Tests, Pakistan 3 Tests

Do you not think that pretty much matches supply to demand?

So again completely ignoring the fact that NZ played a D/N match and India a normal one, you really are some spin doctor aren't you.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Considering that New Zealand got 35% more spectators in 3 days at Adelaide than India managed in 5 days, it’s fair to say that the Aussie cricket public would probably like a four year cycle something like this:

Year 1: England 5 Tests, Bangladesh 1
Year 2: New Zealand 4 Tests, West Indies 2
Year 3: South Africa 4 Tests, Sri Lanka 2
Year 4: India 3 Tests, Pakistan 3 Tests

Do you not think that pretty much matches supply to demand?

Pakistan have been regularly getting 3 tests whenever they tour Australia and always losing them 3-0.

So why is Pakistan a bigger draw than India?

Which is why your insight was required in this case. Clearly a team on the losing front for last 20 years should not have increased appeal than a team managing to draw a few.

I don't care what model you apply and any model is okay for me.

My query is based on the statistical anomaly that a team who is habitually losing Down Under is somehow considered a better crowd puller than a team drawing or winning.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan have been regularly getting 3 tests whenever they tour Australia and always losing them 3-0.

So why is Pakistan a bigger draw than India?

Which is why your insight was required in this case. Clearly a team on the losing front for last 20 years should not have increased appeal than a team managing to draw a few.

I don't care what model you apply and any model is okay for me.

My query is based on the statistical anomaly that a team who is habitually losing Down Under is somehow considered a better crowd puller than a team drawing or winning.

Maybe the Aussie crowds want to see their side win and enjoy it more!

 

[Slog]

I don’t understand why some Indians are putting their heads in the sand

Do they not believe that it is logical that a weak Australia side already shorn if it’s two best batsmen and biggest draws is struggling to attract crowds especially in a time that the home cricket team is not popular?

 

[Rishikesh]

I don’t understand why some Indians are putting their heads in the sand

Do they not believe that it is logical that a weak Australia side already shorn if it’s two best batsmen and biggest draws is struggling to attract crowds especially in a time that the home cricket team is not popular?

This was the third or fourth reply of this thread

Two words - Sandpaper gate.

It is glaringly obvious that fewer Ozzies would flock to the ground after the shameful episode and two of their most popular cricketers getting banned.

I am surprised why it is so difficult for you to grasp this.

Crowd attendance almost reached estimated numbers even though the major transport facility was under maintenance.

 

[Junaids]

Pakistan have been regularly getting 3 tests whenever they tour Australia and always losing them 3-0.

So why is Pakistan a bigger draw than India?

Which is why your insight was required in this case. Clearly a team on the losing front for last 20 years should not have increased appeal than a team managing to draw a few.

I don't care what model you apply and any model is okay for me.

My query is based on the statistical anomaly that a team who is habitually losing Down Under is somehow considered a better crowd puller than a team drawing or winning.

Can we just stick to the facts please?

Two years ago Pakistan got their highest ever Test crowds at Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

India has just got fewer people to watch them at Adelaide than they did four years ago, and far fewer than England, New Zealand and South Africa has done in each intervening year.

The problem for India is overkill with Aussie crowds. They just tour here far too often.

Sure, they have just beaten a weakened Aussie team. But if Pakistan played as often as India do here the crowds would be sick of them too.

 

[Junaids]

This was the third or fourth reply of this thread


Crowd attendance almost reached estimated numbers even though the major transport facility was under maintenance.

Sorry but that’s not true.

The crowd was down 45% per day on the level that New Zealand attracted 3 years ago and 55% on the level England attracted last year.

Interstate visitors - who arrive by plane, not train - were down 85%.

Only 14% of spectators arrive by train, and the trains were replaced by buses anyway. But still the attendance was down by a far greater margin.

The BCCI thought people would want to watch India even if they refused to play a Day/Night Test. They were wrong.

So here is the direct comparison.

The 2016-17 Pakistanis agreed to the First Test at Brisbane being a Day/Night Test. It broke the record for the HIGHEST Non-Ashes attendance ever at the Gabba.

The 2018-19 Indians refused to play the First Test at Adelaide as a Day/Night Test. It broke the record for the LOWEST ever attendance since the ground was rebuilt.

 

[Napa]

Sorry but that’s not true.

The crowd was down 45% per day on the level that New Zealand attracted 3 years ago and 55% on the level England attracted last year.

Interstate visitors - who arrive by plane, not train - were down 85%.

Only 14% of spectators arrive by train, and the trains were replaced by buses anyway. But still the attendance was down by a far greater margin.

While I am impressed by your research which has dug the percentage of spectators who arrive by train etc., it is all wasted effort.

BCCI and CA are going to do whatever is economically optimal for them, and no amount of whining on forums will make a whit of difference.

That is the way capitalism works. The format of the game that is most appealing to spectators generates the largest revenues. Your analysis misses more than half the picture, you are ignoring the Indian TV viewership which generates dollars. However to BCCI and CA, a dollar is a dollar, it doesn't matter to them if it is coming from an Australian or an Indian. That is the modern world, get with the plan.

 

[MP2011]

Can we just stick to the facts please?

Two years ago Pakistan got their highest ever Test crowds at Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

India has just got fewer people to watch them at Adelaide than they did four years ago, and far fewer than England, New Zealand and South Africa has done in each intervening year.

The problem for India is overkill with Aussie crowds. They just tour here far too often.

Sure, they have just beaten a weakened Aussie team. But if Pakistan played as often as India do here the crowds would be sick of them too.

Who cares about crowds in Aus? Certainly not BCCI, Indian fans and most importantly, Indian team. We've never won a test series in Aus (weakened team or not), will concentrate on that rather than worrying about occupancy rates of Aus hotels etc!

 

[Rishikesh]

Sorry but that’s not true.

The crowd was down 45% per day on the level that New Zealand attracted 3 years ago and 55% on the level England attracted last year.

Interstate visitors - who arrive by plane, not train - were down 85%.

Only 14% of spectators arrive by train, and the trains were replaced by buses anyway. But still the attendance was down by a far greater margin.

The BCCI thought people would want to watch India even if they refused to play a Day/Night Test. They were wrong.

So here is the direct comparison.

The 2016-17 Pakistanis agreed to the First Test at Brisbane being a Day/Night Test. It broke the record for the HIGHEST Non-Ashes attendance ever at the Gabba.

The 2018-19 Indians refused to play the First Test at Adelaide as a Day/Night Test. It broke the record for the LOWEST ever attendance since the ground was rebuilt.

The overall attendance record for a Test against India in Adelaide is 113,000, coming in 2014

24k, 26k, 30k, 22k and 11k today, total ticket sales of 112868 across the 5 days, almost the same as last Adelaide test we played in 2014 (albeit with a lower capacity).

Now to the Optus Stadium at Perth where WACA is expecting 70,000 people each to turn up for first four days (as of 7th December). Apparently th agreement is any test that sees at least 60000 in first four days will be played at Optus -Stadium else at the old WACA stadium. WACA chief had precidted frst three days to have 40k, 34k and 26k - total of 100k in first 3 days but there till 7th Dec there was limited response from Indian community pushing the sales down.

Today's win should push at least 15-20k more people, mainly Indians living in Perth, to the test match, taking the number close to 100k for the test once again.

I know why you didn't replied to this post.

 

[MenInG]

Who cares about crowds in Aus? Certainly not BCCI, Indian fans and most importantly, Indian team. We've never won a test series in Aus (weakened team or not), will concentrate on that rather than worrying about occupancy rates of Aus hotels etc!

Good for you however based upon the intensity of debate on this thread, it seems that it does matter!

 

[MP2011]

Good for you however based upon the intensity of debate on this thread, it seems that it does matter!

Which is futile in my opinion. You can't change someone's opinion.

Would rather discuss the cricketing aspects of Ind-Aus cricket rather than this.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Good for you however based upon the intensity of debate on this thread, it seems that it does matter!

'Intensity of the debate' has been more about blatantly false claims made in the thread and not so much about concern for crowds attending matches.

 

[Junaids]

Who cares about crowds in Aus? Certainly not BCCI, Indian fans and most importantly, Indian team. We've never won a test series in Aus (weakened team or not), will concentrate on that rather than worrying about occupancy rates of Aus hotels etc!

While I am impressed by your research which has dug the percentage of spectators who arrive by train etc., it is all wasted effort.

BCCI and CA are going to do whatever is economically optimal for them, and no amount of whining on forums will make a whit of difference.

That is the way capitalism works. The format of the game that is most appealing to spectators generates the largest revenues. Your analysis misses more than half the picture, you are ignoring the Indian TV viewership which generates dollars. However to BCCI and CA, a dollar is a dollar, it doesn't matter to them if it is coming from an Australian or an Indian. That is the modern world, get with the plan.

Again, that very Indian belief that the BCCI “is” India and that Cricket Australia “is” Australia.

They are actually the only stakeholders who made any money out of this hopeless economic disaster of a Test.

The stadium operators sold the fewest tickets they have ever sold at the redeveloped ground.

The hotels, the airlines, the caterers, the bars and the restaurants took a similar loss from the appalling attendance figures.

As we keep hearing, ticket sales were so bad that the South Australian rail operator decided it was more worthwhile to do maintenance for 2 of the 5 days than stay open!

 

[Tusker]

Again, that very Indian belief that the BCCI “is” India and that Cricket Australia “is” Australia.

They are actually the only stakeholders who made any money out of this hopeless economic disaster of a Test.

The stadium operators sold the fewest tickets they have ever sold at the redeveloped ground.

The hotels, the airlines, the caterers, the bars and the restaurants took a similar loss from the appalling attendance figures.

As we keep hearing, ticket sales were so bad that the South Australian rail operator decided it was more worthwhile to do maintenance for 2 of the 5 days than stay open!

Are you ever going to address the sandpaper question? This is the first Test series since the sandpaper debacle. None of the old series crowd figures can be compared to this series because of that.

 

[Napa]

They are actually the only stakeholders who made any money out of this hopeless economic disaster of a Test.

The stadium operators sold the fewest tickets they have ever sold at the redeveloped ground.

The hotels, the airlines, the caterers, the bars and the restaurants took a similar loss from the appalling attendance figures.

You seem to take a perverse pleasure in parading your ignorance for the world to laugh at. "hopeless economic disaster of a Test"? Do you have figures for the revenues generated by TV viewership, or are you really that ignorant that you are unaware of that revenue?

 

[cricketindiafan]

Again, that very Indian belief that the BCCI “is” India and that Cricket Australia “is” Australia.

They are actually the only stakeholders who made any money out of this hopeless economic disaster of a Test.

The stadium operators sold the fewest tickets they have ever sold at the redeveloped ground.

The hotels, the airlines, the caterers, the bars and the restaurants took a similar loss from the appalling attendance figures.

As we keep hearing, ticket sales were so bad that the South Australian rail operator decided it was more worthwhile to do maintenance for 2 of the 5 days than stay open!

See [MENTION=8]MIG[/MENTION] this is what I mean by false propaganda that has to be busted. This was a STRIKE and not a normal maintenance, a strike planned months in advance.

 

[Junaids]

You seem to take a perverse pleasure in parading your ignorance for the world to laugh at. "hopeless economic disaster of a Test"? Do you have figures for the revenues generated by TV viewership, or are you really that ignorant that you are unaware of that revenue?

As I keep explaining to you, the TV revenue from Private Indian TV rights ONLY benefits Cricket Australia.

There is a far wider economy around hosting cricket in Adelaide, and every other party has just endured an economic debacle, from hotels to airlines to taxi drivers.

TV rights are a tiny part of the equation, which benefit a single stakeholder. And that stakeholder, Cricket Australia, is currently a tarnished brand which the Australian public holds in utter contempt - far more so than the players!

 

[cricketindiafan]

This is what an Aussie paper reports

When they say pink-ball cricket is about drawing bigger crowds, they’re talking about 10,000 punters. (The Ashes drew almost 200,000 last summer but it is in its own category.)

Their argument, of course, ignores the fact the cost of a plane ticket from Sydney hit $1000 before the Test. And that some Adelaide hotels were charging more than $500 a night this week. And that beer at the ground is $10. And it was 40C on the first two days, and the trains weren’t running on the weekend and Sandpapergate and …

The point is many factors feed into attendances, not just whether it’s a day or a day-night match. (Some people returned to the Test fold simply because it was a day match.)

This is in an Aussie paper.

Adelaide’s five days in the sun

 

[cricketindiafan]

Flight tickets hitting 1000, Hotel rates hitting $500 ..shh nothing to the local academy LOL

 

[Napa]

As I keep explaining to you, the TV revenue from Private Indian TV rights ONLY benefits Cricket Australia.

There is a far wider economy around hosting cricket in Adelaide, and every other party has just endured an economic debacle, from hotels to airlines to taxi drivers.

TV rights are a tiny part of the equation, which benefit a single stakeholder. And that stakeholder, Cricket Australia, is currently a tarnished brand which the Australian public holds in utter contempt - far more so than the players!

"TV rights are a tiny part of the equation". Your ignorance is again on display for the amusement of the readers.

"Cricket Australia, is currently a tarnished brand which the Australian public holds in utter contempt". Hyperbole does not convert something that is false into anything better.

 

[Junaids]

Are you ever going to address the sandpaper question? This is the first Test series since the sandpaper debacle. None of the old series crowd figures can be compared to this series because of that.

That is a lovely Trumpian-style attempt to deflect appalling figures.

But the problem is, the attendance figures for this India Test were 112,000 compared with a near-identical 113,000 four years ago.

Which shows that Sandpaper is just a distraction - the problem with India as an unattractive touring team is 99.11% identical to four years ago.

 

[Junaids]

Flight tickets hitting 1000, Hotel rates hitting $500 ..shh nothing to the local academy LOL

I’ve already shown you.

The stadium backs on to the InterContinental hotel which was selling rooms - which usually go many months in advance for $500 - for a paltry $150.

As for “$1000 flights”, do tell. From where?

 

[Tusker]

That is a lovely Trumpian-style attempt to deflect appalling figures.

But the problem is, the attendance figures for this India Test were 112,000 compared with a near-identical 113,000 four years ago.

Which shows that Sandpaper is just a distraction - the problem with India as an unattractive touring team is 99.11% identical to four years ago.

Lovely junaidesque spin. Does it occur to you that it could have been far worse but for the Indian team despite sandpaper and other issues?

And dont go back to the pre-sandpaper numbers again. That's called circular reasoning. And wait till the series is over.

Also no comment on the fact that CA shares revenue with local state boards?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Can we just stick to the facts please?

Two years ago Pakistan got their highest ever Test crowds at Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

India has just got fewer people to watch them at Adelaide than they did four years ago, and far fewer than England, New Zealand and South Africa has done in each intervening year.

The problem for India is overkill with Aussie crowds. They just tour here far too often.

Sure, they have just beaten a weakened Aussie team. But if Pakistan played as often as India do here the crowds would be sick of them too.

While sticking to facts here's an unpleasant one.

Pakistan has failed to win in Australia since last 20 plus years, in fact, they have not even managed to draw a single test and managed to lose EVERY SINGLE TEST PLAYED down Under.

The frequency of the tours that Pakistan gets is really laughable because you EARN tours to countries based on your PERFORMANCE. If Pakistan had won EVEN ONE TEST in these last 20 years, heck even drew one, you could be forgiven for arguing that if Pakistan played often enough in Australia they would somehow win or draw something.

So I was left wondering why is the team that is CONSISTENTLY LOSING EVERY TEST THEY PLAY in Australia drawing huge crowds?

So I asked for your insight into the matter.

However, you have till now REFUSED TO PROVIDE ANY EXPLANATION for why this is happening, except living on a THEORETICAL SCENARIO whereby if India decreases its tours and Pakistan increases its tours, things MIGHT CHANGE.

Now the facts are clear to see.

You have NO idea why the crowds are lower for INDIA AND HIGHER FOR PAKISTAN.

Or do you?

If you do, now is the time to discuss it to save your face I guess.

 

[Junaids]

Lovely junaidesque spin. Does it occur to you that it could have been far worse but for the Indian team despite sandpaper and other issues?

And dont go back to the pre-sandpaper numbers again. That's called circular reasoning. And wait till the series is over.

Also no comment on the fact that CA shares revenue with local state boards?

Cricket Australia’s revenue disbursement is entirely irrelevant: Queensland and Tasmania get the same disbursement as South Australia - it’s nothing to do with hosting India. As I wrote earlier, the SACA has made clear that if India only wants to play a Day Test next time, they aren’t interested in hosting them.

 

[Junaids]

@Dr Bassim

In 1999 both India and Pakistan toured Australia. Both lost 3-0, but Pakistan should have levelled their series at Hobart. Up until then, Pakistan were generally the most competitive Asian team in Australia.

A weak Pakistan lost 3-0 in 2005.

But while the 2009-10 Pakistanis lost 3-0, you know as well as I do that in the Second Test at Sydney they had all but won before losing in circumstances in which a convicted matchfixer has confessed to getting Pakistan to throw the Test.

Similarly in 2016-17 a Nine Man Pakistan team carrying a number of geriatric has-beens almost won the First Test and lost the Second Test only after collapsing after declaring its First Innings.

Pakistan has lost a number of consecutive Tests in Australia, but the crowds at Brisbane and Hobart in 1999 at Sydney in 2010 and at Brisbane and Melbourne in 2016 got precisely what they wanted.

Strong opposition to Australia from an Asian team with world class quick bowlers and leggies, after which Australia stages an improbable comeback to win.

I put it to you that that is exactly what an Aussie crowd wants to see!

Just not too often. No world team is outstanding enough that anyone wants to see them more than once every four years.

 

[cricketindiafan]

I’ve already shown you.

The stadium backs on to the InterContinental hotel which was selling rooms - which usually go many months in advance for $500 - for a paltry $150.

As for “$1000 flights”, do tell. From where?

Ask Andre Faulkner, the reporter who wrote "Adelaide’s five days in the sun" in The Australian. He's the one providing these figures and also why the attendance was lower. Here's his profile https://www.theaustralian.com.au/author/Andrew+Faulkner

So flights and hotels were going at 3-4 times their prices as per a published report which means people traveling and staying in hotels and adding to the local economy. Now for you to provide concrete data and some factual evidence on why this was a 'disaster'. Your gut feel does not count.

 

[Junaids]

Ask Andre Faulkner, the reporter who wrote "Adelaide’s five days in the sun" in The Australian. He's the one providing these figures and also why the attendance was lower. Here's his profile https://www.theaustralian.com.au/author/Andrew+Faulkner

So flights and hotels were going at 3-4 times their prices as per a published report which means people traveling and staying in hotels and adding to the local economy. Now for you to provide concrete data and some factual evidence on why this was a 'disaster'. Your gut feel does not count.

In terms of hotel rates, I took the precaution of taking a screenshot of the evidence....

 

[cricketindiafan]

Cricket Australia’s revenue disbursement is entirely irrelevant: Queensland and Tasmania get the same disbursement as South Australia - it’s nothing to do with hosting India. As I wrote earlier, the SACA has made clear that if India only wants to play a Day Test next time, they aren’t interested in hosting them.

Which is once again a white lie. They have said they'd prefer to have Day/Night tests and nothing on not interested in hosting India or that we will play in Canberra or Hobart.

Let us have some authentic links to go with these claims now.

 

[Junaids]

Which is once again a white lie. They have said they'd prefer to have Day/Night tests and nothing on not interested in hosting India or that we will play in Canberra or Hobart.

Let us have some authentic links to go with these claims now.

I have given you the actual attendances day by day for this Test and every other Test since the venue was built in 2013.

I have uploaded a screenshot of the pathetic daily rates that the stadium hotel was reduced to selling rooms at.

I’m bored of this. I have better things to do than argue with Indian fans with a desperate need to show that 112,000 ticket sales to watch India in 5 days is better than New Zealand selling 135,00 in 3 days.

Or that the InterContinental prefers having empty rooms for sale at $150 per night when usually Test sell out every room for $500+.

 

[cricketindiafan]

In terms of hotel rates, I took the precaution of taking a screenshot of the evidence....

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Nice to see that the rate is for day 4 evening (SUnday evening when the rates are generally lower). Try harder.

 

[cricketindiafan]

I have given you the actual attendances day by day for this Test and every other Test since the venue was built in 2013.

I have uploaded a screenshot of the pathetic daily rates that the stadium hotel was reduced to selling rooms at.

I’m bored of this. I have better things to do than argue with Indian fans with a desperate need to show that 112,000 ticket sales to watch India in 5 days is better than New Zealand selling 135,00 in 3 days.

Or that the InterContinental prefers having empty rooms for sale at $150 per night when usually Test sell out every room for $500+.

You've provided nothing except empty statements and have been comparing figures of d/n tests with a day test.

You've lied about rail operator preferring to have maintenance when they were on strike (which was public news), you lied about weather conditions in Adelaide, you lied about travel times via buses vs metro train route timings, you lied about viewership numbers, you lied about SACA saying they are not interested in hosting India or CA saying they'd prefer to host India in Canberra or Hobart. All you have provided are rates for day 4 evening of a test as your 'proof'.

You can get away with such juvenile arguments with kids but don't expect such things will go unchallenged. I too have better things to do than fight over crowd numbers but fake news on internet is a serious problem and it needs to be challenged.

 

[Junaids]

You've provided nothing except empty statements and have been comparing figures of d/n tests with a day test.

You've lied about rail operator preferring to have maintenance when they were on strike (which was public news), you lied about weather conditions in Adelaide, you lied about travel times via buses vs metro train route timings, you lied about viewership numbers, you lied about SACA saying they are not interested in hosting India or CA saying they'd prefer to host India in Canberra or Hobart. All you have provided are rates for day 4 evening of a test as your 'proof'.

You can get away with such juvenile arguments with kids but don't expect such things will go unchallenged. I too have better things to do than fight over crowd numbers but fake news on internet is a serious problem and it needs to be challenged.

Sorry, but I am not the source of the Fake News.

There was no train strike, they moved the base over the weekend and replaced the trains with buses.

Source: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news...s/news-story/bb0ce096f926a0b1f0ca27df5ed48a69

I made no claims about the weather: rather I pointed out that in Australia we buy Test tickets months in advance. I flew down to the last three Adelaide Tests from Queensland - do you think the weather was the reason why interstate ticket sales were down massively this year?

As for this nonsense about how you can’t compare ticket sales for Day and Day/Night Tests.

Who refused to play this as a Day/Night Test?

Oh, let’s see. It was India!

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...day-night-test-adelaide-ticket-sales-5478328/

India seem to want to blame everything from the weather to trains to sandpaper for a problem which my last source (above) shows was actually entirely their own fault.

 

[Tusker]

Cricket Australia’s revenue disbursement is entirely irrelevant: Queensland and Tasmania get the same disbursement as South Australia - it’s nothing to do with hosting India.

Irrelevant why because it's a inconvenient fact.

As I wrote earlier, the SACA has made clear that if India only wants to play a Day Test next time, they aren’t interested in hosting them.

I thought the evil bcci had everybody's nuts in a nutcracker as per your pearls of wisdom on this matter ... doesn't seem to be the case after all ehh?

They will come around wait and watch. If not Adelaide then some other ground will host India. Nobody in India gives a damn.

 

[Junaids]

Irrelevant why because it's a inconvenient fact.



I thought the evil bcci had everybody's nuts in a nutcracker as per your pearls of wisdom on this matter ... doesn't seem to be the case after all ehh?

They will come around wait and watch. If not Adelaide then some other ground will host India. Nobody in India gives a damn.

Irrelevant because Cricket Australia pays the SACA the same amount whether they host an India Test or not.

From the point of view of the Adelaide Oval’s owners - which is the government of SA - next time if India doesn’t want a Day/Night Test, better to have a split summer with NZ or South Africa or Pakistan playing a Day/Night Test at Adelaide and someone else hosting India for a Day Test.

 

[Mp812]

The crowds want to see the magic of Pakistan winning a Test match by batting for 2 sessions and declaring, followed by the Aussie batting crumbling under the pink ball onslaught under lights.

A magical miracle yet to happen since 1994

 

[Third_Umpire]

Not surprised attendance is low. Who wants to see a team that can't even beat India in the opening test of a home series?

 

[Napa]

A magical miracle yet to happen since 1994

Only because Pakistan didn't follow [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] strategy and players' selection.

 

[leg-side-flick]

In terms of hotel rates, I took the precaution of taking a screenshot of the evidence....

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The hotel is selling at same rates for New year's Eve as well....

 

[Eagle_Eye]

While sticking to facts here's an unpleasant one.

Pakistan has failed to win in Australia since last 20 plus years, in fact, they have not even managed to draw a single test and managed to lose EVERY SINGLE TEST PLAYED down Under.

The frequency of the tours that Pakistan gets is really laughable because you EARN tours to countries based on your PERFORMANCE. If Pakistan had won EVEN ONE TEST in these last 20 years, heck even drew one, you could be forgiven for arguing that if Pakistan played often enough in Australia they would somehow win or draw something.

So I was left wondering why is the team that is CONSISTENTLY LOSING EVERY TEST THEY PLAY in Australia drawing huge crowds?

So I asked for your insight into the matter.

However, you have till now REFUSED TO PROVIDE ANY EXPLANATION for why this is happening, except living on a THEORETICAL SCENARIO whereby if India decreases its tours and Pakistan increases its tours, things MIGHT CHANGE.

Now the facts are clear to see.

You have NO idea why the crowds are lower for INDIA AND HIGHER FOR PAKISTAN.

Or do you?

If you do, now is the time to discuss it to save your face I guess.

Which facts of his are you disputing?
Fact is that a constantly losing pakistan attracts more aussie punters than India ... why is that in your opinion?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

The hotel is selling at same rates for New year's Eve as well....

and your point is what?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Irrelevant why because it's a inconvenient fact.



I thought the evil bcci had everybody's nuts in a nutcracker as per your pearls of wisdom on this matter ... doesn't seem to be the case after all ehh?

They will come around wait and watch. If not Adelaide then some other ground will host India. Nobody in India gives a damn.

This thread proves otherwise and you clearly do.

 

[leg-side-flick]

and your point is what?

The discount is not just for this test

 

[Birdman]

This thread proves otherwise and you clearly do.

So you have about 30 Indians here that are discussing about this issue and you think it's a big enough sample size to determine what Indian's think?

Anyhow, free market will determine how profitable Indian Cricket Team is. If CA and the cities don't make enough money, they will start inviting India less and less. In the 90's India toured Aussies only twice and this is their 5th tour in this decade. So, Someone is making money.

 

[BaankeJi]

In terms of hotel rates, I took the precaution of taking a screenshot of the evidence....

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It is so simple and direct? Sometimes I start doubting myself when I see this kind of posts.

 

[Junaids]

So you have about 30 Indians here that are discussing about this issue and you think it's a big enough sample size to determine what Indian's think?

Anyhow, free market will determine how profitable Indian Cricket Team is. If CA and the cities don't make enough money, they will start inviting India less and less. In the 90's India toured Aussies only twice and this is their 5th tour in this decade. So, Someone is making money.

You have far too much faith in the free market.

Cricket Australia does the inviting, like the ECB in England, and they are the sole beneficiaries of Indian TV money.

If they cared about their duties as custodians of the game, they would invite all the Top Eight teams with equal frequency and give the public a balanced diet.

But Cricket Australia cares only about Cricket Australia’s revenue, so to them it’s better having India play to empty stadia like they just did in Adelaide.

The hotels and restaurants and airlines may be starving, but Cricket Australia got its TV money so India are coming back after 2 years.

New Zealand averaged 43,000 tickets per day in Adelaide and haven’t been invited back for 4 years.

India averaged 22,000 tickets per day in Adelaide this week and come back in 2 years.

That’s what happens if you blindly put your faith in the free market. The organiser chooses whatever gives themselves the biggest short-term profit, and couldn’t care less if everyone else starves to death.

 

[Junaids]

The hotel is selling at same rates for New year's Eve as well....

Thank you, that proves my point, doesn’t it?

The location of the Adelaide InterContinental on North Terrace across from the Adelaide Oval means that it’s big paydays each year are:

The Adelaide Test match
The Adelaide Day/Night ODI
A couple of big Friday or Saturday Night AFL fixtures.

This week they just lost over half their of big paydays for the year, all because India came back too soon for a third Test in seven years and refused to play it as a Day/Night fixture.

 

[Junaids]

So again completely ignoring the fact that NZ played a D/N match and India a normal one, you really are some spin doctor aren't you.

I’m not ignoring it by any means.

It is completely India’s fault that it was a Day match. They insisted upon it.

If Chelsea was allowed to insist that it would only play against Liverpool at Anfield at 3 o’clock in the morning, as a result of which the crowd was tiny, we would blame the people who insisted upon playing at Stupid o’clock.

India insisted upon playing at Adelaide at Stupid o’clock. The consequences in terms of a reduced crowd are nobody’s fault except India’s. To me it’s scandalous that they face no consequences.

 

[charlie007]

You have far too much faith in the free market.

That's how the world runs these days, and that's why when you forcibly try to control the market it blows up on you and you find yourself a pauper.

Cricket Australia does the inviting, like the ECB in England, and they are the sole beneficiaries of Indian TV money.

If they cared about their duties as custodians of the game, they would invite all the Top Eight teams with equal frequency and give the public a balanced diet.

So why stop at top 8 teams, shouldn't they go invite all other cricket playing nations also? Why this discrimination? After all, you're the custodian of the game! (LOL at that) ... now to the facts:
The fact is, Cricket Australia is a Public Company and an administrative organization responsible for cricket in Australia. Cricket Australia has six member organizations that represent each of the Australian states, and get some share of the profits that Cricket Australia makes. These organizations are:
New South Wales – Cricket NSW
Queensland – Queensland Cricket
South Australia – South Australian Cricket Association
Tasmania – Tasmanian Cricket Association
Victoria – Cricket Victoria
Western Australia – Western Australian Cricket Association

But Cricket Australia cares only about Cricket Australia’s revenue, so to them it’s better having India play to empty stadia like they just did in Adelaide.

Where do you think all this revenue is going? I am assuming all this is going toward improvement of Men's and Women's cricket in Australia and to further strengthen State organizations to become richer so they in turn can promote cricket and cricketers.

The hotels and restaurants and airlines may be starving, but Cricket Australia got its TV money so India are coming back after 2 years.

CA according to you are custodians of cricket, so how does it become their responsibility to feed the restaurants and airlines? Or are you from the socialist mindset where they should all divide their money regardless of who's bringing it in? If airlines and Restaurants are only banking on cricket tours to survive, then those Australian industries have a much bigger problem than India touring.

New Zealand averaged 43,000 tickets per day in Adelaide and haven’t been invited back for 4 years.

India averaged 22,000 tickets per day in Adelaide this week and come back in 2 years.

Cricket Australia earns many times more money when India tours, that allows them to invest that money into their cricketing infrastructure. Their sole responsibility is toward the betterment of their own State organizations. Suck it up!

That’s what happens if you blindly put your faith in the free market. The organiser chooses whatever gives themselves the biggest short-term profit, and couldn’t care less if everyone else starves to death.

Starve to death!!! Cry me a river. You have much bigger problems if that's the case.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Which facts of his are you disputing?
Fact is that a constantly losing pakistan attracts more aussie punters than India ... why is that in your opinion?

I asked his opinion because it is HIS CLAIM that Pakistan draws larger crowds.

What I think hardly matters because people here are befuddled into thinking that Pakistan draws a huge crowd because it plays exciting cricket (or insert your favorite idea here) while India is boring (or insert your favorite idea here).

 

[par]

Why is that it is India's fault when there are empty seats on the ground for test matches in India and also it is India's fault when there are empty seats on the ground when India tours other countries?

 

[Balthazar]

So what's your proposition for CA then? India to tour for two Test matches and Pakistan for four Tests? You are wasting your talent discussing all this in PP. Why don't you apply for a job at CA and guide them in a better direction.

 

[Napa]

The organiser chooses whatever gives themselves the biggest short-term profit, and couldn’t care less if everyone else starves to death.

Just a little while ago you were arguing that there wasn't enough money in India and so much more money in Australia that the best Australian players would not play in the IPL leaving their girlfriends at home.

Now you say that if India refuses to play day/night matches in Australia then everyone (all Australians other than CA) will starve to death. Quite a turnaround I must say.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Thank you, that proves my point, doesn’t it?

The location of the Adelaide InterContinental on North Terrace across from the Adelaide Oval means that it’s big paydays each year are:

The Adelaide Test match
The Adelaide Day/Night ODI
A couple of big Friday or Saturday Night AFL fixtures.

This week they just lost over half their of big paydays for the year, all because India came back too soon for a third Test in seven years and refused to play it as a Day/Night fixture.

This hotel has a extremely flawed strategy, it will always make more losses than gains......

 

[Mr.Q]

When it’s very clear why ticket sales haven’t been very high, giving him a multi page thread is criminal! You guys are discussing hotel rates here? Seriously?

 

[Junaids]

Just a little while ago you were arguing that there wasn't enough money in India and so much more money in Australia that the best Australian players would not play in the IPL leaving their girlfriends at home.

Now you say that if India refuses to play day/night matches in Australia then everyone (all Australians other than CA) will starve to death. Quite a turnaround I must say.

What?

As you well know, I denied your ludicrous argument that the best Aussie players would retire from Test cricket to play a year-round IPL.

I pointed out that they are happy to pimp themselves out to the IPL for 6 weeks per year, but they already earn more from Cricket Australia than top Aussie Rules and Rugby League players - who are their peers - earn, so they wouldn’t be willing to move to India to play Year-round IPL.

I am saying very clearly that for Brisbane and Adelaide’s sports economies, Day/Night Tests are an important component.

Brisbane has already turned down a Day Test with India this season in favour of a Day/Night Test against Sri Lanka.

It’s not that Adelaide needs India. It’s that Adelaide needs a Day/Night Test, and missed out this year not just on around 50,000 ticket sales generating $4 million, but also around 5,000 interstate visitors who would have delivered significant spending to the city.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Sorry, but I am not the source of the Fake News.

There was no train strike, they moved the base over the weekend and replaced the trains with buses.

Source: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news...s/news-story/bb0ce096f926a0b1f0ca27df5ed48a69

I made no claims about the weather: rather I pointed out that in Australia we buy Test tickets months in advance. I flew down to the last three Adelaide Tests from Queensland - do you think the weather was the reason why interstate ticket sales were down massively this year?

As for this nonsense about how you can’t compare ticket sales for Day and Day/Night Tests.

Who refused to play this as a Day/Night Test?

Oh, let’s see. It was India!

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...day-night-test-adelaide-ticket-sales-5478328/

India seem to want to blame everything from the weather to trains to sandpaper for a problem which my last source (above) shows was actually entirely their own fault.

Nice. We have now gone from lower ticket sales were due to India being a bunch of nobodies to India did not agree to play D/N tests. Thats one part of some of your bombastic statements taken care of.

Gradually other parts will get busted as well.