Nawaz Sharif played a major role in my release : Raymond Davis

[Macho Mann]

Oh yea a well respected man like Zafar Ali Shah is a jageedar? Grapes are sour when same example of yours is being used against your argument

i have no knowledge of zafar ali shah, maybe you can shed some light on him?

the only thing i got from the google is, this guy has held MNA seat from his traditional constituency since 1962 first in PPP now in PMLN and than which party god knows

miraj khan left PPP to join PTI when nobody even know who PTI was and when PTI only used to win one seat from mianwali

 

[Macho Mann]

What Edhi said we all bashed Imran, as far as I know.

Musharraf is hardly going to admit otherwise, all he said was that he did not offer any PMship. Again, if we are going to accept politician vs politician statements as gospel where do we start with Nawaz?

As for blind followers, the day Imran Khan serves with a dictator or the day he embezzles our money I'd spit on his image too.

no, musharraf confirmed miraj khan's story by telling that imran demanded certain number of seats from him, but musharraf told him that atmost he can get 10 seats, 90 seats was above his calibre

 

[Pakpak]

no, musharraf confirmed miraj khan's story by telling that imran demanded certain number of seats from him, but musharraf told him that atmost he can get 10 seats, 90 seats was above his calibre

10 seats was as good as no seats. And as for caliber his caliber was always higher than Jamali or whoever was posted after that

So your proofs are a politician, who's last action was joining the communist party, and an ex-dictator who's NRO deals has led to the political mess we have today.

 

[Macho Mann]

What Edhi said we all bashed Imran, as far as I know.

Musharraf is hardly going to admit otherwise, all he said was that he did not offer any PMship. Again, if we are going to accept politician vs politician statements as gospel where do we start with Nawaz?

As for blind followers, the day Imran Khan serves with a dictator or the day he embezzles our money I'd spit on his image too.

shaukat khanum money was invested in thailand, did you get that story dear?

 

[Mian]

i have no knowledge of zafar ali shah, maybe you can shed some light on him?

the only thing i got from the google is, this guy has held MNA seat from his traditional constituency since 1962 first in PPP now in PMLN and than which party god knows

miraj khan left PPP to join PTI when nobody even know who PTI was and when PTI only used to win one seat from mianwali

[MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] we are debating with a guy who isn't even up to date with current affairs in pakistan and isn't even sure what's happening in pakistan politics and what happening inside pmln lol his source of info is google baba

 

[Pakpak]

shaukat khanum money was invested in thailand, did you get that story dear?

You're going to bring up that Shaukhat Khanum nonsense?

Your political heroes already tried to, and it was proven to be false and they were left with eggs on their faces ''dear''. If there was any hint of truth to it he'd been taken to the cleaners by the Sharifs.

 

[Pakpak]

[MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] we are debating with a guy who isn't even up to date with current affairs in pakistan and isn't even sure what's happening in pakistan politics and what happening inside pmln lol his source of info is google baba

His reply above proves that. His party has already left the Shaukat Khanum issue as it was all false, and he's peddling it now.

Stuck in a time-warp like his Indian friend.

 

[Mian]

His reply above proves that. His party has already left the Shaukat Khanum issue as it was all false, and he's peddling it now.

Stuck in a time-warp like his Indian friend.

And shukat khanum donations are breaking all records every year these allegations are even help skmch more people are not happily donating mote because they know if crooks are attacking skmch than it must be doing something really good. 6 to 7 iftar dinners this Ramadan collected more than 75 crores and 15 crores alone came from Lahore lol second only to Karachi.

 

[Macho Mann]

10 seats was as good as no seats. And as for caliber his caliber was always higher than Jamali or whoever was posted after that

So your proofs are a politician, who's last action was joining the communist party, and an ex-dictator who's NRO deals has led to the political mess we have today.

bhai koi hal nhi he, do what you wanna believe,

if miraj khan is liar, if musharraf is also a liar then perhaps entire world is liar only imran speaks the truth

 

[Macho Mann]

And shukat khanum donations are breaking all records every year these allegations are even help skmch more people are not happily donating mote because they know if crooks are attacking skmch than it must be doing something really good. 6 to 7 iftar dinners this Ramadan collected more than 75 crores and 15 crores alone came from Lahore lol second only to Karachi.

sorry you have mistaken me for PMLN supporter and i really am laughing very hard, because maybe i despise PMLN more than PTI fan boys do

shaukat khanum receives so much donations, but where is the guarantee that shaukat khanum is corruption free tht too after it has been exposed of getting donation money invested in thailand

this is admitted by PTI btw who shamelessly defend this action by saying that all invested money is back at shaukat khanum?

 

[Mian]

sorry you have mistaken me for PMLN supporter and i really am laughing very hard, because maybe i despise PMLN more than PTI fan boys do

shaukat khanum receives so much donations, but where is the guarantee that shaukat khanum is corruption free tht too after it has been exposed of getting donation money invested in thailand

this is admitted by PTI btw who shamelessly defend this action by saying that all invested money is back at shaukat khanum?

Charitable orgs invest in different businesses all the time they generate their funds from different sources all the time instead of just putting all the eggs in one basket and for your information skmch also runs massive chain of labs in whole country for different medical test to generate their funds and also treat 25 to 30% paod patients so that money can be used in the treatment of those who can't pay.

 

[Macho Mann]

Charitable orgs invest in different businesses all the time they generate their funds from different sources all the time instead of just putting all the eggs in one basket and for your information skmch also runs massive chain of labs in whole country for different medical test to generate their funds and also treat 25 to 30% paod patients so that money can be used in the treatment of those who can't pay.

its corruption if they do simple as tht

 

[Mian]

its corruption if they do simple as tht

Corruption to create more source of funding for your hospital to treat more patients instead of just waiting for donations?

 

[Pakpak]

bhai koi hal nhi he, do what you wanna believe,

if miraj khan is liar, if musharraf is also a liar then perhaps entire world is liar only imran speaks the truth

What will you google next? No no, let's accept the word of a dictator who did NRO deals with politicians and let's also accept the word of a politician who left the party on bad terms.

I suppose politicians saying how Imran is a Jewish agent and is backed by Jews? As that seems to be the level of your ''evidence''

 

[Mian]

What will you google next? No no, let's accept the word of a dictator who did NRO deals with politicians and let's also accept the word of a politician who left the party on bad terms.

I suppose politicians saying how Imran is a Jewish agent and is backed by Jews? As that seems to be the level of your ''evidence''

Just read his last reply to my post and you will realize his level of understanding

 

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[Macho Mann]

Corruption to create more source of funding for your hospital to treat more patients instead of just waiting for donations?

yes its corruption and let me explain you why

1) the donation money is meant to be disposed for welfare purposes immediately, investment money cannot be used for welfare purposes immediately

2) investment is not a very simple matter, you need to hire professional people who handle such investments, who is paying for these professionals? oh yes, the donations!

3) the investments do not always result in profits, they may also result in a loss, if such donation money is being used for investment, then millions of donations are being put at stake for a loss as much as they are being put on stake for a profit

4) businesses usually put profits into investment again to gain more profits and so on and so forth, thus investment is very opposite to the principles of welfare

5) a donation which is being invested as i have already stated is not immediately available if it is being invested, it goes directly against the very core principles of welfare and charity

6) if all welfare charitable organisations start using the donations to invest money then even if they are making profits, their welfare organisation will turn into nothing but a business venture and not welfare and charity based on the donations of people who trusted that charity

7) there is no proof that those profits are not ending up in someone's personal profit which gives the charity a very dubious and deceptive outlook

8) pople who are donating are expecting their money to be utilized for charity and not business investment, if they came to know if the charity is involved in such a scheme, will they make donations? i think not!

 

[Gayle_Force]

yes its corruption and let me explain you why

1) the donation money is meant to be disposed for welfare purposes immediately, investment money cannot be used for welfare purposes immediately

2) investment is not a very simple matter, you need to hire professional people who handle such investments, who is paying for these professionals? oh yes, the donations!

3) the investments do not always result in profits, they may also result in a loss, if such donation money is being used for investment, then millions of donations are being put at stake for a loss as much as they are being put on stake for a profit

4) businesses usually put profits into investment again to gain more profits and so on and so forth, thus investment is very opposite to the principles of welfare

5) a donation which is being invested as i have already stated is not immediately available if it is being invested, it goes directly against the very core principles of welfare and charity

6) if all welfare charitable organisations start using the donations to invest money then even if they are making profits, their welfare organisation will turn into nothing but a business venture and not welfare and charity based on the donations of people who trusted that charity

7) there is no proof that those profits are not ending up in someone's personal profit which gives the charity a very dubious and deceptive outlook

8) pople who are donating are expecting their money to be utilized for charity and not business investment, if they came to know if the charity is involved in such a scheme, will they make donations? i think not!

Your understanding of how major charities function is pretty alarming. I hate to break it to you but majority of hospitals, major charities etc use endowment funds(the investments you are referring to) to invest excess donations. It is not corruption and it's perfectly legal. Hospitals need sustainable income and cannot simply rely on donations, as they can fluctuate year over year. Therefore, endowment funds are used as a vehicle to somewhat guarantee the income hospitals(or other similar institutions) need to maintain operations.

 

[Macho Mann]

Your understanding of how major charities function is pretty alarming. I hate to break it to you but majority of hospitals, major charities etc use endowment funds(the investments you are referring to) to invest excess donations. It is not corruption and it's perfectly legal. Hospitals need sustainable income and cannot simply rely on donations, as they can fluctuate year over year. Therefore, endowment funds are used as a vehicle to somewhat guarantee the income hospitals(or other similar institutions) need to maintain operations.

the alarm should not be raised on my questioning, but to be honest its not the first time shaukat khanum is being in the news for using dubious methods why is it being invested in thailand, why the money is being transferred overseas for investment?

why was imran khan's sister in the board of governors of shaukat khanum, his sister is reported to have dubious financial history as well

 

[Gayle_Force]

the alarm should not be raised on my questioning, but to be honest its not the first time shaukat khanum is being in the news for using dubious methods why is it being invested in thailand, why the money is being transferred overseas for investment?

why was imran khan's sister in the board of governors of shaukat khanum, his sister is reported to have dubious financial history as well

Firstly, in your previous post, you indicated that investing donation money is corruption. I just wanted to let you know that's clearly not the case.

As far as SKMCH goes, they like have investment guidelines according to which funds are invested. Furthermore, all there financials are publicly disclosed. In fact, the specific investment questioned by Khwaja Asif was pulled from SKMCH publicly disclosed documents. If the said investment breached the guidelines or the law by any means than the hospital would have faced legal consequences. Furthermore, I don't know the selection criteria behind the investment but it is highly unlikely that Imran Khan or Aleema Khannum are personally involved in investment decisions and there are several other independent board members to keep check on them. Lastly, it is very common for firms to have overseas investments as part of their investment portfolio to balance out risk and returns. I don't see how investing in Thailand is concerning as long as it is disclosed?

The questions raised on SKMCH's financials have largely been from Khan's political opponents in an attempt to target the uneducated class in Pakistan. Anyone with reasonable understanding of financial management will know that there is very little opportunity for Khan to profit financially from SKMCH's funds as all the financials are audited by one of the top 4 audit firms and are publicly disclosed. Khan also doesn't hold any position in a public office so there is no way he can hide personal financial gains through SKMCH's donations.

 

[srh]

Misuse of Allah's law of Qasas And Dayit for Raymond Davis

The more you learn about Raymond Davis incident, the more you realize that Allah's law of Qasas And Dayit was abused for Raymond Davis. And the people who abused it were people in power: Zardari, Gilani, Nawaz, Shahbaz, Pasha and Kiyani. Are these guys not afraid of this law's misuse in this case? What they are going to say to Allah about its abuse on judgement day? I shudder to think about it. May Allah saves all of us from abusing Allah's laws for the gain of worldly matters. Ameen.

 

[srh]

why this thread only mentions Nawaz Sharif in the title? what about Zardari, Gilani, Shahbaz, Pasha and Kiyani? @MIG

 

[IMMY69]

The more you learn about Raymond Davis incident, the more you realize that Allah's law of Qasas And Dayit was abused for Raymond Davis. And the people who abused it were people in power: Zardari, Gilani, Nawaz, Shahbaz, Pasha and Kiyani. Are these guys not afraid of this law's misuse in this case? What they are going to say to Allah about its abuse on judgement day? I shudder to think about it. May Allah saves all of us from abusing Allah's laws for the gain of worldly matters. Ameen.

Mate with all due respect, I don't think these people care about what God thinks and I doubt they even believe why else would they do what they do?

 

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[Gabbar Singh]

are at it again.

ISLAMABAD: Terming CIA contractor Raymond Davis’s book, The Contractor, a pack of lies, former interior minister Rehman Malik has claimed that India’s Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) had paid Davis to write the book in order to malign Pakistan’s army and democratic institutions.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1343756/r...to-write-anti-pakistan-book-says-rehman-malik

 

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