Official Pakistan 2013 General Elections thread

Waseem · Apr 16, 2013

waqar_ahmad · Apr 16, 2013

NA56, Hanif Abbasi vs. Imran Khan

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amateurdentist · Apr 16, 2013

Assalamu Alaikum

This is our jihad. to increase votes for Immy Bhai(love). When pakistanis deserve a man like him as a leader, they will get it. We can only strive. please continue your noble work but dont descend to the level of PML-N.No attack ads or anything like that. My advice. Just present our own policies.

Peace

AZ · Apr 16, 2013

lol @ jihad.

aap kuch zyada hi jazbaati hogaye hain. :anwar

amateurdentist · Apr 16, 2013

Sir 16 ghante ki loadshedding jo hai. Aur hum to abhi jawan hain. jazbati to ho ge na :amir

Akhir Pakistan ko hi bachana hai hum sub ne. ye to jihad hi hai

taq12345 · Apr 16, 2013

Check out this remake of the PML-N ad

AZ · Apr 16, 2013

lol, good one :inzi

Saudi · Apr 16, 2013

taq12345 said:
Check out this remake of the PML-N ad

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Can this be played on TV?

Subtitles were too fast for me, had to pause a few times to get it. :jf

AZ · Apr 16, 2013

and with Mushy being hit for 6, a good day so far for PMLN.

spinDoc · Apr 16, 2013

AZ said:
and with Mushy being hit for 6, a good day so far for PMLN.

yahhhh we are saved..........NOT!

Eagle_Eye · Apr 16, 2013

Vote for PMLN for exactly what? ..... What is the appeal, what exactly will they do differently this time round?

waqar goraya · Apr 16, 2013

9 percent to PTI and 37 to PML N....

I am speechless either way whether it is true or false...

People are still not satisfied with 30 years of N league rule... :facepalm:

zimmz · Apr 16, 2013

Soon after oct 31 PTI jalsa, the status co forces realizes the popularity and started buying survey organizations to suppress the impression created by PTI, BUT the ground reality is changing fast and will hit them hard.

GujjarSher · Apr 16, 2013

find it hard to believe only 11% support PTI in KPK

not sure if I trust a random twitter picture

zimmz · Apr 16, 2013

^ more like random raiwind survey :))

The head of gallup is known pithoo of N league and was blessed by nooners during their rule.

AZ · Apr 16, 2013

GujjarSher said:
find it hard to believe only 11% support PTI in KPK

not sure if I trust a random twitter picture

zimmz said:
^ more like random raiwind survey

The head of gallup is known pithoo of N league and was blessed by nooners during their rule.

clutching at straws, are we?

dude is a very well-known investigative journalist, who has said plenty of anti-PMLN stuff in the past.

but you are free to believe what you like.

waqar goraya · Apr 16, 2013

AZ,you have been lurking around here criticising PTI and finding faults with PTI,its policies or its supporters...

But you are silent about N League's achievements in bringing merit,transparency,equality and honesty during their decades of rule..

PTI tsunami · Apr 16, 2013

waqar goraya said:
AZ,you have been lurking around here criticising PTI and finding faults with PTI,its policies or its supporters...

But you are silent about N League's achievements in bringing merit,transparency,equality and honesty during their decades of rule..

Bro don't waste your time on people like az these are the reason Pak for the last 60 years have struggled

AZ · Apr 16, 2013

waqar goraya said:
AZ,you have been lurking around here criticising PTI and finding faults with PTI,its policies or its supporters...

But you are silent about N League's achievements in bringing merit,transparency,equality and honesty during their decades of rule..

discussions here are heavily dominated by PTI supporters, what would like to talk about?

and even if one does say they support a different party then then you get brain dead responses like these:

Bro don't waste your time on people like az these are the reason Pak for the last 60 years have struggled

Eagle_Eye · Apr 16, 2013

AZ said:
discussions here are heavily dominated by PTI supporters, what would like to talk about?

and even if one does say they support a different party then then you get brain dead responses like these:

AZ - then tell us what N league has to offer? What are they going to do differently? How will they tackle corruption? Kickstart growth... etc

All I see you do is point out snippets on PTI.

zimmz · Apr 16, 2013

AZ said:
clutching at straws, are we?

dude is a very well-known investigative journalist, who has said plenty of anti-PMLN stuff in the past.

but you are free to believe what you like.

No!

For one the figures themselves are enough to raise the suspicion. Do you really believe PPP is that much popular? PML-Q is almost same as PTI? Similar BS figures were presented by IRI recently where despite the killings and terrorism in Baluchistan, PPP was the most popular party :))

Moreover the evidence that IRI is client of PMLN and other political parties...downgrades the credibility of survey. Same goes for Gallop whose head is known nooner.

AZ · Apr 16, 2013

Eagle_Eye said:
AZ - then tell us what N league has to offer? What are they going to do differently? How will they tackle corruption? Kickstart growth... etc

All I see you do is point out snippets on PTI.

this is one of their 'party pieces', have a watch - http://www.zemtv.com/2013/04/11/roshan-pakistan-route-to-economic-prosperity/

building the economy/infrastructure and improve ties with India are extremely important for me, and they have a pretty good reputation in both fields.

How they deal with the extremist threat to Pakistan is a concern, but am not sure any party or leader really has an answer for that.

MRSN · Apr 16, 2013

AZ said:
clutching at straws, are we?

dude is a very well-known investigative journalist, who has said plenty of anti-PMLN stuff in the past.

but you are free to believe what you like.

true but he's quoting another source which is said to be biased one..

AZ · Apr 16, 2013

zimmz said:
No!

For one the figures themselves are enough to raise the suspicion. Do you really believe PPP is that much popular? PML-Q is almost same as PTI? Similar BS figures were presented by IRI recently where despite the killings and terrorism in Baluchistan, PPP was the most popular party

Moreover the evidence that IRI is client of PMLN and other political parties...downgrades the credibility of survey. Same goes for Gallop whose head is known nooner.

what do you think, the PPP will be wiped out? they will always have support, they have an emotional bond with the people throughout Pakistan that no other party can even dream of having.

Plus their biraadri system links, those bonds are near impossible to break.

PTI may have a lot of support but the ability to get VOTES is quite something else. They are an unknown and their success depends a lot on the voter turnout.

if the only sticking point you have left is the 'credibility of the survey' then that is pretty weak.

AZ · Apr 16, 2013

MRSN said:
true but he's quoting another source which is said to be biased one..

the source isn't biased, just that the Chairman of GP was once adviser to MNS's government so hence he must obviously be favoring him.

taq12345 · Apr 16, 2013

Heard 5 mins of Nawaz Sharif's Hafizabad jalsa speech and noted music being played DURING Nawaz's speech... They are even copying DJBUTT.. HADD hoti hai..
He also said hum awaam ke saath mil ke tabdeeli layen ge. Again a fully copied statement. Can these guys come up with anything original?

zimmz · Apr 16, 2013

AZ said:
what do you think, the PPP will be wiped out? they will always have support, they have an emotional bond with the people throughout Pakistan that no other party can even dream of having.

Plus their biraadri system links, those bonds are near impossible to break.

PTI may have a lot of support but the ability to get VOTES is quite something else. They are an unknown and their success depends a lot on the voter turnout.

if the only sticking point you have left is the 'credibility of the survey' then that is pretty weak.

No I don't think PPP will be wiped out but we are talking about the significant increase and decrease in popularity among masses through out pakistan (excluding their permanent jiyalas). On what basis PPP popularity increased in last one year? The survey is done in march when the loot and plunder was at peak. Do you sincerely believe that ppp manage to attract more support for their performance in 2012, when many of their jiyalas came running to PML-N seeing the little chance in 2013 election for ppp?

PML-Q is in turmoil and almost non existing as a party and yet it is as popular as PTI?

I can understand that for you these figures are believable otherwise it would be hard to defend noon at top.

PTI may have a lot of support but the ability to get VOTES is quite something else. They are an unknown and their success depends a lot on the voter turnout.

The survey is not an election. It is to estimate the 'support' for parties so if PTI have support then a true survey will reflect it!

zimmz · Apr 16, 2013

Moreover the survey conducted by PPP backed organization showed PPP at top, not so long ago. AZ if you believe this survey then why not believe that survey?

AZ · Apr 16, 2013

^^ emergence and increased exposure of Bilawal could be a reason, more sympathetic and likeable than AAZ.

PMLQ still has its vote bank, PTI cannot claim to have one.

Anyways, this graph was quite good, funny and accurate:

waqar_ahmad · Apr 16, 2013

BTW, since when did Umar Cheema become a credible investigative journalist?

zimmz · Apr 16, 2013

I find this term 'vote bank' funny. So if in one election people chose to vote you means you have a vote bank? What non sense.

waqar goraya · Apr 16, 2013

AZ said:
this is one of their 'party pieces', have a watch - http://www.zemtv.com/2013/04/11/roshan-pakistan-route-to-economic-prosperity/

building the economy/infrastructure and improve ties with India are extremely important for me, and they have a pretty good reputation in both fields.

How they deal with the extremist threat to Pakistan is a concern, but am not sure any party or leader really has an answer for that.

So,finally you come to point

I know how N league suppporters take infrastructure...Is only buliding roads the infrastructure....?Yes bulid the roads,thus allocate funds to lawmakers...and then the lawmakers hardly spend half of it on Public....Not to say that buliding roads should not be Lawmakers job in the first place...

I wont name here but i know a politician from Gujranwala who left PTI to join N league because he was given 4 carore for this so called development budget...But the roads were already completed by other politician...

And talking about infrastructure....Does sasti roti scheme,Laptops,taxi schemes improve infrastructure..?They have spent billions during their last rule in Punjab on these infrastructure schemes....But children are studying in graveyards,many schools do not have boundary,toilet,furniture or teachers..Their vision and policies starts from laptops,taxis and sasti roti and finish on roads or transit train systams......

I think their advisors are good make over artists who advise them such far-sighted schemes...

Anfield · Apr 16, 2013

AZ said:
and with Mushy being hit for 6, a good day so far for PMLN.

This survey was done in Feb (released in March) when PTI was in a mess due to intra-party elections. This survey has been discussed so many times.

Anfield · Apr 16, 2013

AZ said:
discussions here are heavily dominated by PTI supporters, what would like to talk about?

and even if one does say they support a different party then then you get brain dead responses like these:

oh the irony, all you do in this thread is provoke and make fun of PTIs and it's supporters and now you're playing the victim the card.

baalti · Apr 16, 2013

PTI chaa gai after announcing their candidates, i see ppl singing their praises etc who earlier would just hate on them... i believe in the SWEEP...

AZ · Apr 16, 2013

Anfield said:
This survey was done in Feb (released in March) when PTI was in a mess due to intra-party elections. This survey has been discussed so many times.

IIRC that one was done in co-operation with Jang and some other organization within Pak, not for an intl. organization as Cheema is suggesting.

oh the irony, all you do in this thread is provoke and make fun of PTIs and it's supporters and now you're playing the victim the card.

LOL you can't be serious.

if anything it is the Insafians who go around trying to bully anybody who is not a staunch IK fan.

am sure Black Zero can testify to that as well.

PakistanPaindabad · Apr 16, 2013

AZ said:
and with Mushy being hit for 6, a good day so far for PMLN.

I have serious reservations about the survey..

In the Feb 2013 survey by the same agency, PTI had 32% support in KPK..

Now in their Mar 2013 survey, PTI has 11% support in KPK?

Even the harshest of critics of PTI, and the biggest of supporters of PML (N) would raise a question mark on the accuracy of this survey no?

PML (N) doesnt even have enough candidates to cover the whole of KPK and their support there has increased? I really doubt it. and what could be the reason? If anything, PTI support should have increased a couple of percent instead of dropping a whopping 22% for no obvious reason?

I cant say I trust Gallup Pakistan much.

insaftak · Apr 16, 2013

LOL We did 2 massive Jalsas in KPK since Feb and our support went down... Yeh to LOL ho gaya

Why turnout matters!

srh · Apr 16, 2013

^Pakistan should implement Proportional Representation system

zimmz · Apr 16, 2013

^ The status co won't let it happen. This is how they are looting the country in the name of democracy.

Ideally the voting should be must by law and citizens should be forced or assisted in doing so (like in Turkey). Secondly if no one has gained 50% of the caste votes then re-election should be done. Only with these two basic rules the true democracy can be achieved.

Alternatively direct election should be conducted for the President, PM, CM and then let them make their own cabinets. Less costly and simple!

Markhor · Apr 16, 2013

srh said:
^Pakistan should implement Proportional Representation system

PR would result in a permanent state of coalition government and more political horse trading that is disliked. FPTP is also a failed system, what would be ideal is some sort of hybrid system where there is a degree of proportionality in the results whilst maintaining local constituencies.

Kianig89 · Apr 16, 2013

These surveys are bogus..........the gulf is not that huge........PTI will have a great result IA.................even i myself have convinced some Nooras to vote for PTI.....

asifp · Apr 16, 2013

taq12345 said:
Check out this remake of the PML-N ad

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Can this be played on TV?

this is way tooo fast. I cant even ready whats being written over there.

Mian Hassan · Apr 16, 2013

Sikander Bosan has gone to PMLN

Down2Earth · Apr 16, 2013

i can't see how we'll have elections this year. the next few weeks are going to be very turbulent

insaftak · Apr 17, 2013

This is what all politicians fight for "The Ticket"

PakistanPaindabad · Apr 17, 2013

Can anyone tell me how women's seat and minority seats work in Pakistani parliament? How do they get elected, or selected to the seats?

PTI · Apr 17, 2013

Haroon Rasheed Criticizing IK.
It is strange that now IK is saying that he doesnt have any say in awarding tickets but before he said he will himself make sure that tickets will be awarded to deserving candidates.
http://e.dunya.com.pk/colum.php?date=2013-04-17&edition=LHR&id=7643_75963571

AZ · Apr 17, 2013

Not sure if this is true but :))

http://www.nawaiwaqt.com.pk/E-Paper/Lahore/2013-04-17/page-12/detail-23

Mian Hassan · Apr 17, 2013

^^
Can you translate..?

Down2Earth · Apr 17, 2013

CHARSADDA: Local Awami National Party (ANP) leader Farooq Khan was targeted in a bomb blast in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa’s Charsadda region on Wednesday, DawnNews reported.

The blast occurred in the Sardehri area of Charsadda near the vehicle carrying Khan who escaped unhurt.

Khan is the Vice-President of ANP in the constituency of PK-17 and is also the coordinator of ANP President Asfandyar Wali Khan’s election campaign.

Earlier on Monday, a suicide bomber targeted a rally of senior ANP leader and former railways minister Ghulam Ahmed Bilour in Peshawar. He sustained minor injuries.

Seventeen people, including three children and six police personnel, were killed in that attack, while 64 were injured. Nineteen of the injured were still under treatment at the Lady Reading Hospital in Peshawar, where the condition of two wounded was reported as critical.

A FIR of the attack was registered at the Kotwali Police Station on Tuesday.

A special investigation committee led by SSP Masood Khalil was formed to probe the incident. According to initial reports, the suicide bomber was aged between 20-25 years.

There has been an increase in act of terrorism weeks before the May 11 elections and ANP leaders have been especially targeted in these.

Previously, ANP leaders Syed Mukarram Shah and Syed Masoom Shah were targeted in two separate attacks.

I can't see how these elections will take place when bombs are going off everyday. innocent voters will end up dying in the masses and to make things worse, they'll probably be rigged so the vote won't even count. turnout's going to be very low if they do go ahead unless the security situation improves which is highly unlikely

AZ · Apr 17, 2013

Mian Hassan said:
^^
Can you translate..?

PTI gave election ticket to PP-24 contestant Qaiser Dastgir, who never even submitted his nomination papers.

PTI · Apr 17, 2013

Mian Hassan said:
^^
Can you translate..?

It says that a person was awarded PTI ticket who doesnt even file nomination papers to contest election.
PTI seems to be in mess.
It was a mistake to take SMQ,Hashmi and Jahangir tareen in party they are making party a hostage.

PTI · Apr 17, 2013

This is for AZ
Democracy at its best: Kith and kin grab a lion’s share of PML-N tickets - See more at:
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...-and-kin-grab-a-lions-share-of-pml-n-tickets/

PTI · Apr 17, 2013

PTI · Apr 17, 2013

AZ · Apr 17, 2013

PTI said:
This is for AZ
Democracy at its best: Kith and kin grab a lion’s share of PML-N tickets - See more at:
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...-and-kin-grab-a-lions-share-of-pml-n-tickets/

is that really a surprise?

PTI said:

even for these online troll battle standards that is a new low, just pathetic really.

MightyObnoxious · Apr 17, 2013

PTI said:

Pathetic.

Bashira_taeli · Apr 17, 2013

Ayaz Amir not given ticket by PMLN. All the hoopla for nothing

PTI · Apr 17, 2013

AZ said:
is that really a surprise?

even for these online troll battle standards that is a new low, just pathetic really.

Yes Pathetic party(PML-N) deserve pathetic Trolls like me :farhat

Kianig89 · Apr 17, 2013

Ayaz Amir should contest independent

the Great Khan · Apr 17, 2013

I think most people in general accept that ganja will probably tiumph this time around, but I just want to ask PMLN supporters why they support him when he has failed in the past.

I was a staunch ganja muslim leauger and still prefer them to the PPP but this time we need something more than just a few roads and buses. I cant see the PMLN providing us with a new vision.

shark11 · Apr 17, 2013

PML N is a frigging corporation.......The article posted above is an evidence of it....Can't believe the awam in punjab is so dumb.......

PTI · Apr 17, 2013

PTI Manifesto

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Red Devil · Apr 17, 2013

Shaikh Waqas Akram's papers accepted aswell :facepalm:

What a Joke!

Eagle_Eye · Apr 17, 2013

shark11 said:
PML N is a frigging corporation.......The article posted above is an evidence of it....Can't believe the awam in punjab is so dumb.......

and what do you say about "Mohajirs" living in Karachi supporting a mafia organisation?......

Eagle_Eye · Apr 17, 2013

the Great Khan said:
I think most people in general accept that ganja will probably tiumph this time around, but I just want to ask PMLN supporters why they support him when he has failed in the past.

I was a staunch ganja muslim leauger and still prefer them to the PPP but this time we need something more than just a few roads and buses. I cant see the PMLN providing us with a new vision.

Likeable person... likeable family (they are kashmiri afterall

)

Not a leader.

waqar_ahmad · Apr 17, 2013

I'm in 2 minds. Initially, I was planning to go to Pak to cast my vote. But now I'm wondering if it would be more helpful for PTI if, instead of buying the plane ticket, I donated the money to PTI's election campaign.

Any thoughts?

Anfield · Apr 17, 2013

PTI need funds. Everyone donate as much as you can. Those young candidates need financial support.

PTI · Apr 17, 2013

waqar_ahmad said:
I'm in 2 minds. Initially, I was planning to go to Pak to cast my vote. But now I'm wondering if it would be more helpful for PTI if, instead of buying the plane ticket, I donated the money to PTI's election campaign.

Any thoughts?

I think going to Pak is better thing to do.As your presence can motivate more people to vote for PTI.
Each Vote is important now considering big media campaign and bogus polls are being used to misguide voters.
Mere 2 paisey

waqar_ahmad · Apr 17, 2013

@WAnfield

Yeah I agree. Just that I really wanted to vote this time. And if I spend money on travelling, I cant make a sizable donation to PTI.

Hence the confusion

waqar_ahmad · Apr 17, 2013

PTI said:
I think going to Pak is better thing to do.As your presence can motivate more people to vote for PTI.
Each Vote is important now considering big media campaign and bogus polls are being used to misguide voters.
Mere 2 paisey

I have already convinced my whole family to vote for PTI. I am just thinking that my donation may help getting more votes, whereas I myself just have one vote. I want to do what would have a bigger impact

PTI · Apr 17, 2013

waqar_ahmad said:
I have already convinced my whole family to vote for PTI. I am just thinking that my donation may help getting more votes, whereas I myself just have one vote. I want to do what would have a bigger impact

Its good that you convinced.I couldnt convince my father

In your situation i think its better to donate.But you will miss the Buzz of election because this is election is special for us PTI supporters.

waqar_ahmad · Apr 17, 2013

PTI said:
Its good that you convinced.I couldnt convince my father
In your situation i think its better to donate.But you will miss the Buzz of election because this is election is special for us PTI supporters.

I know

I really want to be there for elections, and vote for PTI. But sadly, it seems like me sending the money to PTI for their campaign seems like a better option at the moment

AZ · Apr 17, 2013

Disgruntled PTI workers attack Imran's residence

PTI spokesperson says unknown miscreants broke into the residence.

ISLAMABAD (Dunya News) – More than 100 enraged workers of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf protested against the unjust distribution of party tickets in Khyber-Pakhtunkhawa.

They broke the main gate of the residence of PTI chief Imran Khan in Bani Gala and entered the house.

The protesters also tried to enter the family quarters but the personal guards of Imran Khan called in the police and pushed the enraged workers out of the house.

Imran Khan’s spokesman Naeemul Haq held federal interior minister responsible for the situation. He said security was not provided to Imran Khan by the federal government despite the threats to him.

Talking to Dunya News, PTI’s Spokesperson Shireen Mazari condemned the incident and said that security was not provided to Imran Khan. She also held the caretaker government and interior minister responsible for the incident and demanded resignation of the minister.

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakistan/169675-Disgruntled-PTI-workers-attack-Imrans-residence-

insaftak · Apr 17, 2013

waqar_ahmad said:
I'm in 2 minds. Initially, I was planning to go to Pak to cast my vote. But now I'm wondering if it would be more helpful for PTI if, instead of buying the plane ticket, I donated the money to PTI's election campaign.

Any thoughts?

I would go with donating money right now.

on the other side if Tsunami does come we will be regretting it for rest of our lives that we were not part of this on ground.

Bottom line, everything counts, Money, Time, calling people, knocking on doors

insaftak · Apr 17, 2013

Few days ago someone was protesting outside Imran Khan's house with a gun. Two Police officers for Imran Khan vs 700+ for Sharif brothers is disgraceful.

Imran Needs to beef up his security. Good on him for not giving these goons party ticket

waqar_ahmad · Apr 17, 2013

insaftak said:
I would go with donating money right now.

on the other side if Tsunami does come we will be regretting it for rest of our lives that we were not part of this on ground.

Bottom line, everything counts, Money, Time, calling people, knocking on doors

That's what's confusing me.

Are you going, and donating?

insaftak · Apr 17, 2013

^^

I am staying here but my brother is in Pakistan

AZ · Apr 17, 2013

all of a sudden this thread has gone very quiet

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