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Excellent point MIG. A pair of fresh legs like Danish could be a boost in the bowling department.
 
If this is the squad, I think it is excellent selection. Now the only thing that would make it perfect is the firepower of the one and only Shoaib. Also, I think razzaq should stay at 3. Reason? He plays pace very well but has no clue gainst spin. On the other hand malik and younis play spin well, hence they should come lower down the order.
It's all about getting the best from your resources.
 
My opinion:
1) Bad idea...if u realy want to replcae him..try Shahid Nazir.
2) Good idea.
3) Very Good. ( I believe Aamir Sohail, pro Hafeez, wont be too happy abt it)
4) Bad idea. He is in good form. make most use of it. Y waste him? Shud be sent 1 down or 2 down.
Furthermore, He backs up his partners during his stay on crease.
 
good changes. Rao might provide the answer to Shewag, being an out swing bowler. As long as he keeps it slightly short of lenght and Inzi gives him 2-3 slips, gully, point and thridman.

Younis's strenght is taking singles, he should come in the middle overs and ideally paired with Malik and Youhana.
 
SAMI

1) Good idea.
2) Good idea
3) Fabulous!
4) Bad. Younis should open with Butt or come in at number 3
 
What has hafeez done wrong that the rest of pakistan players aint done that he should get kicked out? Infact shoaib malik has played worse then him yet no one complains about him.
 
Master-P said:
What has hafeez done wrong that the rest of pakistan players aint done that he should get kicked out? Infact shoaib malik has played worse then him yet no one complains about him.
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i agree with u master-p on hafeez,he looks like a solid batsman and a decent bowler .better than kaneria in one dayers for sure.
 
Some Statistics:

Iftikhar Rao:
International:

O M R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Ec 64 4 329 6 54.83 2-67 0 0 64.0 5.14

First Class:
O R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Ec
2025 6547 287 22.81 7-59 20 3 42.3 3.23



Shahid Nazir
International:
O R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Ec
135 649 19 34.15 3-14 0 0 42.6 4.80

First Class
O R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Ec
2303 7012 349 20.09 7-39 18 1 39.6 3.04

Shaid Nazir looks more established bowler & has better record to back him. I wud want him to be given a chance.
 
Shoib malik has been consistant in the past. Yonis should be opening or at 3 but afridi should be there at the slog overs not opening. Sami should still play cause hes shown some improvment.
 
I will merge this thread with one on top ...
 
Pak ODI team selection/batting order required at this point

Opening:
We should have Butt and Akmal open in ALL games... They were looking ok in the 1st ODI... We should continue with them. Both Akmal and Butt have the correct techniques to handle Indian pacers as long as they make good shot selection and not get overly aggressive just cuz Sehwag is blasting it for the other team at the opening slot.

Settling Afridi in the lower order was one of Bob's major acheivements... he is going back on it just due to the hype and pressure always associated with Afridi when he scores some runs... bad move ! He is always a hit or miss batsman and better suited for lower order.

One Down:
Shoaib Malik should be persisted at this slot for the rest of the series. Bob again rolling back one of his main strategic moves for the Pak ODI team. He made Yasir an opener and changed things around just to accomodate Malik at #3 and he was justifying this move by his excellent performances in 2004. Now he is not persisted at this slot and there is a decline in his performance for this very reason.

#4, #5, #6
I believe Inzi, Youhana and Younus can all be shuffled between these 3 slots depending on the match situations. If we lose the top order quickly, perhaps the solid Younus can be sent to stabilize things and if we get a good start, Inzi or youhana can come and play their strokes with the security of Younus after them

All Rounders in Lower Order:
Razzaq and Afridi are the best people for these slots and if need be, can be promoted ahead of Younus if the innings is in the last 10 overs.

Bowlers
We should simply have a 5 man attack in Sami, Rana, Razzaq, Afridi and a 5th bowler can be picked from Hafeez/Arshad or Kaneria. I would favor one of the off spinners as Kaneria would be risky as the 5th bowler in the ODI format.

So look at the team:

Open: Butt and Akmal
One down: Malik
Middle Order: Inzi, Youhana and Younus
Lower Order: Razzaq and Afridi
Tail: Hafeez/Arshad, Rana, Sami

With this batting order we are capable of chasing or scoring 300-325 any day even if we have semi-collapses and this is what we need to win the ODIs in India.

The 6th bowler takes away this ability as you have to drop a specialist batsman who can contribute the extra 50 runs needed on Indian pitches.
 
Zorawar - there is a thread on the TOP of this page for this purpose - pls repost in there - thanks!
 
Opening:
We should have Butt and Akmal open in ALL games... They were looking ok in the 1st ODI... We should continue with them. Both Akmal and Butt have the correct techniques to handle Indian pacers as long as they make good shot selection and not get overly aggressive just cuz Sehwag is blasting it for the other team at the opening slot.

Settling Afridi in the lower order was one of Bob's major acheivements... he is going back on it just due to the hype and pressure always associated with Afridi when he scores some runs... bad move ! He is always a hit or miss batsman and better suited for lower order.

One Down:
Shoaib Malik should be persisted at this slot for the rest of the series. Bob again rolling back one of his main strategic moves for the Pak ODI team. He made Yasir an opener and changed things around just to accomodate Malik at #3 and he was justifying this move by his excellent performances in 2004. Now he is not persisted at this slot and there is a decline in his performance for this very reason.

#4, #5, #6
I believe Inzi, Youhana and Younus can all be shuffled between these 3 slots depending on the match situations. If we lose the top order quickly, perhaps the solid Younus can be sent to stabilize things and if we get a good start, Inzi or youhana can come and play their strokes with the security of Younus after them

All Rounders in Lower Order:
Razzaq and Afridi are the best people for these slots and if need be, can be promoted ahead of Younus if the innings is in the last 10 overs.

Bowlers
We should simply have a 5 man attack in Sami, Rana, Razzaq, Afridi and a 5th bowler can be picked from Hafeez/Arshad or Kaneria. I would favor one of the off spinners as Kaneria would be risky as the 5th bowler in the ODI format.

So look at the team:

Open: Butt and Akmal
One down: Malik
Middle Order: Inzi, Youhana and Younus
Lower Order: Razzaq and Afridi
Tail: Hafeez/Arshad, Rana, Sami

With this batting order we are capable of chasing or scoring 300-325 any day even if we have semi-collapses and this is what we need to win the ODIs in India.

The 6th bowler takes away this ability as you have to drop a specialist batsman who can contribute the extra 50 runs needed on Indian pitches.
 
Good post - well thought out !

Do you not think that Afridis position should change depending on us chasing or setting a target ?
 
MIG sending Afridi at the top has always been a temptation for Pakistan captains... yeah if he clicks why won't you want 100 runs in 12 overs...

But if you look at the ratio of how many times he actually clicks versus the usual quick loss of wicket which puts the rest of betsmen in unneccessary pressure, this move does not really benefit us, specially when we are in a must win situation.

With Afridi and Razzaq in lower order, we were getting good at chasing big totals and scoring well in the middle and last overs.

Bottom Line: When chasing a HUGE total, if we manage to score at close to run a ball for the first 30-35 odd overs with our specialist batsmen. Afridi, Razzaq and the lower order waiting in the wings will win us more games than not.

Succumbing to the pressure of the total and sending Afridi at the top to me is a desperate move.
 
And I notice you believe in Sami as well ? Why is that ? From what I hear, he may be rested tomorrow
 
I am batting for Razzaq to come 1-down. I think that position would work wonders for us. Afridi should bat down.
This would be my team

Butt
Akmal
Razzaq
Malik
Inzi
Youhana
Younis
Afridi
Rana
Sami
Kaneria
 
Cartman Younus is wasted at #7....
Might as well go with Hafeez then....

MIG:
I don't neccessarily believe in Sami. Just prefer to play him over the other options we have available. Resting him does not make sense to me when we are 0-2 and should be going in with all we have got...

There was 3 day break and a cancelled practice session... Sami should not be awfully tired as far as I can see...
 
I would really like to see him bat at 1-down or 4 down. Maybe they should try him since Malik has not been scoring much. But if not, he should not play. Which would sound odd since he is vice captain. Maybe we need another genuine pacer. People disagree but I still believe a good line and length pace bowler can still unsettle Indians on batting tracks.
 
Cartman... what I am trying to say is it is batting strategy that will win you ODIs in India... why will you drop the most in form batsman we have?

If you bowl well, you will restrict India to 260-275, if you bowl bad they will make 350...

You still will need to come up with a big score on your turn...

Stop worrying about bowling and tell the 5 bowlers you are the ones that have to carry the burden.

We have to take a batsman-centric approach to win these games. Once on the right track the same bowlers will become more effective you will see.
 
TEAM ANNOUNCED: IFTHIKAR ANJUM, DANISH, YOUNIS KHAN IN

Pakistan will make three changes for the third One-Day International against India to be played at Jamshedpur on Saturday.

Pakistan, who trail 0-2 in the six-match series, have decided to drop paceman Mohammad Sami, off-spinner Arshad Khan and all-rounder Mohammad Hafeez.

"The three will be replaced by wrist spinner Danish Kaneria , fast bowler Rao Iftikhar Anjum and middle-order batsman Younis Khan ," Pakistani captain Inzamam-ul-Haq said.

The Pakistani skipper said Sami was being rested because of the tough playing conditions while Younis Khan was an automatic selection after he recovered from viral fever that kept him away from the first two games.

Regarding Arshad Khan, who has taken six wickets in two games, Inzamam said the strategy of playing a finger spinner was not working for Pakistan.

"We want someone who can bowl in the middle of the innings. Besides, Danish is a specialist wrist spinner who has the ability to take wickets. We want someone who cannot only bowl in the middle of the innings but can also get wickets for us," he said.

Kaneria has so far played 10-one-dayers in which he has taken nine wickets at 42.44.

Inzamam said Shahid Khan Afridi would continue to open the innings because the wickets suit his style of batting and that he can be more destructive on top of the order.

Sami, who has struggled to find the form and rhythm that until 18 months ago earned him the reputation as one of the most promising fast bowlers, had figures of 8-0-42-0 and 9-0-65-1 in the first two one-dayers.

He has picked up 99 wickets at 27.89 in 68 one-dayers but his career best five for 10 was 15 months and 29 games ago when he carpeted New Zealand at the Gaddafi Stadium. In the last 20 one-dayers, he has taken 22 wickets.

Inzamam hoped Younis Khan's return would provide Pakistan the stability and depth that lacked in the first two games.

"He is a man in form and I feel that had our top order lasted 50 overs, we would have won both the games. I hope Younis's return would give us a more experienced middle-order.

"I don't think Younis will bat at number 3 and we will persist with either Abdul Razzaq or Shoaib Malik, depending on the situation. Younis will bat at number 5 or 6," Inzamam said.

Younis was undoubtedly the player of the three-Test series with 424 runs at 84.80 that included a career-best 267 at Bangalore.
 
shahid nazir bowled very well in the practice game we had- I think he should play in place of afridi for the remainder of the series. IMO the indian batsmen have afridis bowling completly figured out and he will continue to go for lots of runs.
 
TOI:
"If Inzamam is fined, his penalties will rise to nearly Rs 18 lakh since taking over the most pressurised job in Pakistan sports from Rashid Latif in October 2003"
Thats interesting !
 
zorawar said:
Cartman... what I am trying to say is it is batting strategy that will win you ODIs in India... why will you drop the most in form batsman we have?

If you bowl well, you will restrict India to 260-275, if you bowl bad they will make 350...

You still will need to come up with a big score on your turn...

Stop worrying about bowling and tell the 5 bowlers you are the ones that have to carry the burden.

We have to take a batsman-centric approach to win these games. Once on the right track the same bowlers will become more effective you will see.
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I agree with you about YK and that 5 bowlers should do the job but they should be 5 regular wicket taking bowlers. I feel Razzaq is a better 1-down option right now for Pakistan since he is hitting and he is useless down the order when spinners are operating.
 
Butt
Razzak- He showed good ability with the hard ball in the last game
Younis
Inzamam
Youhana
Malik
Akmal- Much more effective here...
Afridi
Naveed
Sami (debatable)
Arshad

Butt and Younis to be 6th Bowler

Malik Akmal Afridi- provide plenty of muscle for the latter overs


Oh yeh almost forgot Hafeez as ball boy...will make his chachu Aamir proud.
Strong Middle Order- of Younis Inzamam and Youhana
 
Why arent you playing Malik after Razzaq ? He's done well when the ball is new , hasnt he ?
 
Finding the ideal combination with this Pakistani team is like a puzzle. We have too many "multi-dimensional" hit n miss players, and I am sure it gets harder for coach and captain, as well, to pick a team.

But honestly I think Sami should not sit out. This is going to be a bad move.
 
Pak to bring in Kaneria, Iftikhar and Younis for third ODI

Press Trust of India
Jamshedpur, April 7, 2005

Pakistan will make three changes for the third One-Day International against India to be played at Jamshedpur on Saturday.
Pakistan, who trail 0-2 in the six-match series, have decided to drop paceman Mohammad Sami, off-spinner Arshad Khan and all-rounder Mohammad Hafeez.

"The three will be replaced by wrist spinner Danish Kaneria, fast bowler Rao Iftikhar Anjum and middle-order batsman Younis Khan," Pakistani captain Inzamam-ul-Haq said.

The Pakistani skipper said Sami was being rested because of the tough playing conditions while Younis Khan was an automatic selection after he recovered from viral fever that kept him away from the first two games.

Regarding Arshad Khan, who has taken six wickets in two games, Inzamam said the strategy of playing a finger spinner was not working for Pakistan.

"We want someone who can bowl in the middle of the innings. Besides, Danish is a specialist wrist spinner who has the ability to take wickets. We want someone who cannot only bowl in the middle of the innings but can also get wickets for us," he said.

Kaneria has so far played 10-one-dayers in which he has taken nine wickets at 42.44.

Inzamam said Shahid Afridi would continue to open the innings because the wickets suit his style of batting and that he can be more destructive on top of the order.

Sami, who has struggled to find the form and rhythm that until 18 months ago earned him the reputation as one of the most promising fast bowlers, had figures of 8-0-42-0 and 9-0-65-1 in the first two one-dayers.

He has picked up 99 wickets at 27.89 in 68 one-dayers but his career best five for 10 was 15 months and 29 games ago when he carpeted New Zealand at the Gaddafi Stadium. In the last 20 one-dayers, he has taken 22 wickets.

Inzamam hoped Younis Khan's return would provide Pakistan the stability and depth that lacked in the first two games.

"He is a man in form and I feel that had our top order lasted 50 overs, we would have won both the games. I hope Younis's return would give us a more experienced middle-order.

"I don't think Younis will bat at number 3 and we will persist with either Abdul Razzaq or Shoaib Malik, depending on the situation. Younis will bat at number 5 or 6," Inzamam said.

Younis was undoubtedly the player of the three-Test series with 424 runs at 84.80 that included a career-best 267 at Bangalore.

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What do u think guys do v need these three changes??
 
3 bowlers out
2 in

hmmm...i hope for pakistans sake it works out somehow
 
Afridi gonna open again

do v need him as an opener or he is better down the order??

Inzamam said Shahid Afridi would continue to open the innings because the wickets suit his style of batting and that he can be more destructive on top of the order.

"I don't think Younis will bat at number 3 and we will persist with either Abdul Razzaq or Shoaib Malik, depending on the situation. Younis will bat at number 5 or 6," Inzamam said.[:S]
 
oh sorry if it is old I just read it so I thought I should share it with you guys ojk MOD u can lock or delet this one
 
"We want someone who can bowl in the middle of the innings. Besides, Danish is a specialist wrist spinner who has the ability to take wickets. We want someone who cannot only bowl in the middle of the innings but can also get wickets for us," he said.
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That's fine as long as it supported by sound field placings. No point playing Kaneria as an attacking option if there are easy singles to be had. Inzamam will need to have more than the minimum 4 men in the circle if he wants Kaneria to be a wicket-taking bowler.
 
Good idea to let Afridi open. He has the ability to take full advantage of the first 15 overs
 
If pathan is bowling then open with him but if pathan aint bowling just dont bother.
 
yes amir we all saw how he hit 6s of sachin and got bogged down by pathan , point noted
 
Pakistan has the problem of how to use afridi, razzaq and malik in the batting department. All of them can win you matches with the bat and where to bat them is a big question that does not have a simple answer. Throw Akmal into this and you have so many permutations that it is a captain and coach's nightmare.

Still, I would say that Malik needs to be left at no.3. He has had such success there and he can perform the dual role of stabilizing the innings as well as keeping the run-rate up. At least one of Razzaq and Afridi also needs to be lower down the order. IMO why we couldnt do more in the last match was because we didnt have razzaq or afridi down the order who have been our finishers during the past year. What razzaq did coming at no 3 could have been expected of malik as well, so there was really no need to send him instead of malik unless he was expected to blast 50 from 25 balls!!

For the next match the batting order should look like:

Butt
Afridi
Malik
Yoyo/Inzi
Inzi/Yoyo
YK
Razzaq
Akmal
Rana
Rao
Kaneria

BTW i still dont understand under what conditions yoyo bats above inzi and vice versa. Anyone has any idea abt that?
 
Master-P said:
If pathan is bowling then open with him but if pathan aint bowling just dont bother.
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Yeah we will send someone out to Indian camp and have them ask Ganguly "bhai jaan .. kia aaj aap Pathan sai attack karwayein gay?"

And Ganguly would obviously be kind enough to answer in yes or no and then we can make plans accordingly.

Ingenius plan Master P.. Why didnt anybody else think of that before!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Cartman,

The pakis had hafeez talk to ganguly and kinda pinged him about his attack plans. Hafeez suggested that Pathan should play and attack the bowling.

On a more serious note, if Pathan is in the starting eleven then he will attack.
 
Big Daddy said:
yes amir we all saw how he hit 6s of sachin and got bogged down by pathan , point noted
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Being sarcastic ...nice try
That was one match. Afridi has a record of playin spinners better, which can be backed by his fastest century against Sri Lankan spinners and many other occasions.
 
and im not bsing . Here are some facts:

Top 5 bowlers who dismissed Afridi.

Dis bwd c fi c wk st lbw Ave

WC Vaas (LFM) 8 3 5 0 0 0 16.87
KSC Silva (LFM) 7 0 6 1 0 0 32.71
J Srinath (RFM) 6 1 4 1 0 0 9.00
GD McGrath (RFM 5 0 4 1 0 0 3.80
JN Gillespie (RF) 4 1 1 1 0 1 6.75

And none of those 5 are spinners. Kumble happens to be on # 8 & he is the only spinner in top 10 bowlers to take his wicket...and he isnt playing.
 
Captain, coach reluctant to induct Younis instead of Malik

Captain, coach reluctant to induct Younis instead of Malik

Woolmer and Inzamam appear to feel Younis can only come in for Hafeez

From Waheed Khan and Abdul Majid Bhatti

JAMSHEDPUR, India: The two defeats in the One-day International series against India have left the Pakistan touring selection committee pondering over their next move before the third match here on Saturday (tomorrow).

On paper, the obvious changes in the playing eleven should be that the fit and in-form Younis Khan replaces Shoaib Malik, leg-spinner Danish Kaneria comes in for either Arshad Khan or Mohammad Hafeez and Rao Iftikhar (who is also a good bat) plays in place of Mohammad Sami, who has bowled a lot of overs on the tour and definitely needs a rest for a match or two.

But then things are never so simple in Pakistan cricket because the grapevine has it that coach Bob Woolmer and to an extent even captain Inzamam-ul-Haq are reluctant to drop their "blue eyed boy" Shoaib Malik and instead fit in Younis Khan.

One has learnt that after the second defeat in Vishakapatnam, manager Saleem Altaf, himself a former Test and one-day player, suggested to Inzamam that Pakistan was missing a specialist batsman and secondly it needed to add sting to its bowling attack by including fresh faces in the firing line.

Altaf’s suggestion was that Younis should play instead of Malik who has not scored in the first two games and whom he feels does not warrant a place in the eleven when he is not allowed to bowl by the International Cricket Council (ICC).

But the line of thinking of the coach in particular is different as he and, to an extent even the captain, feel that Younis can only come in for Hafeez but this would mean playing with just five bowlers and this would be a suicidal step by the Pakistanis given the exhausting weather conditions that are being experienced at this time of the year at the match venues.

"Woolmer has a lot of confidence in Malik and is reluctant to drop him despite his form and the fact that logic demands Younis play at any cost without reducing the number of bowling options from six to five. This attitude has not pleased Altaf who is also the Director Cricket Operations of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) and there has been talk on this issue," a team source stated.

Just the thought that there could be any discussion on Younis not replacing Malik is strange given the fact that he topped the Test batting averages with over 500 runs and is enjoying a golden run of form like Virender Sehwag. Plus he also brings plenty of enthusiasm on the field with his chirpy attitude.

Altaf, sources say, also feels something different is needed in the bowling to stop Sehwag’s streak of runs if Pakistan wants to win the remaining matches.

"But he is upset having noticed that the coach has a few favourites in the team and is not willing to drop them despite solid reasoning," a source disclosed.

Altaf is due to submit a detailed report on the tour and the performance of the team members when he returns to Pakistan and the source said he was not overly impressed with some of the things he had seen in the team. "For one he is not impressed with the habit of the coach to be upfront to take credit for any good performance but pass the buck to the captain or find excuses after any bad performance or if things are not going well as has been the case in the first two one-dayers," the source said.

According to him Altaf had been upfront with the coach on some cricket related issues on a few occasions during the tour and even before the third Test in Bangalore had given a piece of his mind to the players.

The source said Altaf was planning to have a one to one meeting with Inzamam to sort things out in this direction before the game on Saturday.

"Altaf is also surprised that the board has signed a contract with the coach with no termination clause in it and the fact that there is a huge compensation clause to be adhered to by the Board if it wants to replace the coach," the source said.

Woolmer however has made it clear time and again that he does not have a magic potion to turn the team overnight into world beaters and it would take time for the players to adjust to his cricket philosophy and way of going about things on the field.

"I am doing my best. I am working hard with the players because I love this game and it is a challenge for me to work with Pakistan and we are getting some results. But no team can be turned into number one overnight this is a process that takes three to five years," he has repeatedly maintained.

But apparently there is now a big question mark on just how much more patience is the board going to have with the coach.

The key now lies in the results of the remaining four one-dayers on this tour. If Pakistan end up winning them there is no argument about the fact that the captain and coach will return home as heroes, but if the series is lost by a big margin then the situation could be different specially since the PCB’s Director Cricket Operations is tipped to remain in the board for the next two years with the consent of the chief patron even if there is a change in the board after June.
 
MAlik should'nt be dropped. Despite his poor form so far. His strike rate makes him a very usefull player in ODI's. I can't really say the same for Younis, who on these flat pitches may not be able to score runs quickly enough to be usefull.
 
malik needs to play !!

afridi is the obvious choice to drop- he's going for 10 runs and over, can't get any wickets and is not contributing with the bat.
 
Pls note the word "the source" in above article and be warned that the percieved differences between Altaf and others may NOT exist !!! Uffff yah Waheed Khan sub ko lay doobay ga !!!
 
MIG, why bag out Waheed Khan again. We know hes the special correspondent for TSN.
 
You cannot look much into two poor performances by Shoaib Malik keep in mind we were chasing relatively big totals and even the greatest of batsmen some time succumb under pressure and get out. Malik needs to be persisted with besides I dont see the point of Salim Altaf we are going for 350+ with 6 bowlers surely it cant be worse with 5 bowlers atleast we will have more chance of chasing the targed with an extra batsman.
 
Couple of changes likely for 3rd ODI: Inzamam

JAMSHEDPUR: Pakistani captain Inzamam-ul Haq hinted on Thursday at two or three changes in the final squad for the third One Day International to played in Jamshedpur on Saturday.

Vice captain Younus Khan, Leg Spinner Danish Kaneria and Raop Iftekhar can be included in the team.

According to Inzamamul Haq Younus was fit and would replace Muhammad Hafeez in the team while Rao Iftekhar and Danish Kaneria would replace Muhammad Sami and Arshad Khan.

He was of the view Arshad Khan was failed to give breakthrough when needed. He added that Shahid Afridi would play as opener.

GEO

do not agree with afridi opening at all..i thought woolmer said afridi wud NOT open...then don't know wat this is all about! Why can't they just play him at 7 or 8!

NOOOO not sifarshi!! rao again!

no sami and arshad...

malik is likely NOT going to be dropped from the sound of the above... :D

good move to bring in dani and thank God, useless hafeez is likely a drop for the next one...

i'm looking for a pak win in this next one...
 
Guys, remember there is a discussion thread on top of the forum for ODIs as well...
 
As being big fan of Inzy it feels odd when people out here uses bad comments about him. There should be team performance insted of any individual. Remember Rahul Dravis's comment after 2nd ODI. He said, "We were worried only of Inzamam and Yohana, once we got them game turn to us, Afridi was not the treat we know how take his wicket". Seems they have already done home work for Afridi. Point is, Pakistani bowlers. Pakistan should do homework for Viru only because Sachin, Dada, Yuvi, and Kaif are not in touch. If they gets rid of Viru early then just matter of good balls to take wickets of others. Here please not that Dhoni had only a one match knock, we dont know about his consistency. And remains Rahul, no homework aftects him, he will remain unbeaten atleast for minimum 50.

So if Pakistan wants to win the game then they have good batsmen, but they are lacking in bowling and luck(Winning a toss).
 
Finally I would say if Pakistani bawlers didnt perform tomorow then there will be hat trick for Dada. And do dought India is gona win it tomorow.
 
Sad to see Malik go but u ve to manufacture the place for Younis khan who is the best performer on this tour so far
 
i disagree with Nauman. we always need 6th bowler in ODIs specially in such a humid whether & on such a flat tracks. your bowlers are supposed to be cracked up in these situations, so you gotta have a 6th bowler to support them. a tired/exhausted fast bowler can go for more runs then a part-timer in the last 10 overs. this has been proved by Hafeez (in the 1st ODI i think). we are going for 300+ for but we can curtail that if we have more options available. it also gives the captain some space to think about. whereas with 5 bowlers in the team going for big runs, captain's mind will stuck & stop thinking & this can hurt team. this is ODI, not a Test match.

although i would also like to see Malik in the team (even after considering his bad form) because Malik's form is more to do with his frame of mind. once he will regain his confidence, he will be back with a bang.

i hope Malik gets cleared before Windies tour.

Aneel
 
Younis, Kaneria back for third ODI

Cricinfo staff

April 8, 2005


Pakistan has recalled Danish Kaneria for the third one-day international against India at Jamshedpur, in place of Arshad Khan. Apart from this, Pakistan has made two additional changes: Younis Khan and Rao Iftikhar Anjum will replace Mohammad Hafeez and Mohammad Sami.

Inzamam-ul-Haq informed The Press Trust of India that Younis, who was down with a viral fever, has recovered and was ready to take his place back in the side. Sami has been rested due to the tough playing conditions in India. Speaking about the inclusion of Kaneria in the side, Inzamam said, "We want someone who can bowl in the middle of the innings. Besides, Danish is a specialist wrist-spinner who has the ability to take wickets. We want someone who cannot only bowl in the middle of the innings but can also get wickets for us."

Kaneria was the pick of the bowlers for Pakistan in the Test series, picking up two five-wicket hauls. With Younis returning to the squad, Inzamam was hoping for a change in fortunes after being thrashed by India in the first two one-dayers. "He is a man in form and I feel that had our top order lasted 50 overs, we would have won both the games. I hope Younis's return would give us a more experienced middle-order. I don't think Younis will bat at number 3 and we will persist with either Abdul Razzaq or Shoaib Malik, depending on the situation. Younis will bat at No. 5 or 6."

Inzamam also mentioned that Shahid Afridi would continue to open the innings because the wickets suit his style of batting, and he can be more destructive in that posiiton.
 
Great news - to me the last roll of the die for Pak - Although Nazir also deserves a chance
 
MenInGreen said:
Great news - to me the last roll of the die for Pak - Although Nazir also deserves a chance
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Couldn't agree more but the fact that Razaq might be at no.3 is really good because if he comes in early in the innings he can bat to the pacers and not the spin bowlers where he is at his weakest.

My only concern is that we are playing 5 bowlers what if it all goes horribly wrong.
 
Aah the million dollar question Sharif - well if it all goes wrong, you and I will throw Jootay at Inzi and BW - thats the way it works !
 
Aneel I agree 6 bowler is needed in Indian conditions but Hafeez creates an imbalance in the team with his below par batting, besides we need around 5 overs from the 6th bowler and I am sure Butt and Younis Khan can squeez in atleast 5 to 6 overs.
 
MenInGreen said:
Aah the million dollar question Sharif - well if it all goes wrong, you and I will throw Jootay at Inzi and BW - thats the way it works !
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Nauman!!! i really really wish that Inzi & BW had used YK or Butt as a part-timer a bit more frequently so that they could have developed to be called as a part-timer. but that is not the case, these guys don't give 1 over/a match to these guys & now this thing is creating imbalance for the team. if they were used to bowl regularly in ODIs as a part-timer then we won't be needed Hafeez in the squad, leave alone th playing XI.

Aneel
 
I agree a sixth bowler is needed in these hot and humid conditions but looking back at the last two games......what advantage has this 6th bowler given us? I don't believe it has done us any good at all. Hafeez has dropped Sehwag (cost us 108 runs), missed three direct hits with all stumps to aim at, conceded 114 runs in 16 overs bowled, and scored a total of 49 runs in two innings but taken 82 balls to get them!

HE IS USELESS!!!!!!!

We might as well not bother with him and if the need arises, give Khan saab or Salman a couple of overs.
 
I dont see the point of Salim Altaf we are going for 350+ with 6 bowlers surely it cant be worse with 5 bowlers atleast we will have more chance of chasing the targed with an extra batsman.
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totally agree Nauman. Karachi king if u r having 6 bowlers and still giving 350+ runs then there is no point in playing a useless 3 dimensional player. its going to be very tricky for Inzi and Bob. either play with 5 bowlers and play an extra batter or play with 4 specialist batsman and play 4 specialist bowlers. these r 2 good scenarios in my mind BUT both are very risky.

Scenario. (4 specialist batsman and 4 specialist bowler with Afridi , Abdul and Kamran)

1. Afridi
2. Malik (sp batter)
3. YK (sp batter)
4. Inzi (sp batter)
5. Yo Yo (sp batter)
6. Abdul
7. Kamran
8. Rana
9. Nazir
10. Rao
11. Kaneria

now u have 4 specialist bowlers and hopefully with the help of Abdul and Afridi they would be able to restrict Indians. The risk is that out off 1st 6 u cant rely much on Afridi and Kamran coming at 7 can make our tail much longer. and we are asking Rana to play as bowling allrounder.

2nd scenario (only 5 bowlers)

1. Salman
2. Afridi
3. Malik / YK / Abdul
4. Inzi
5. Yo Yo
6. YK / Malik
7. Abdul / Malik
8. Kamran
9. Rana
10. Rao / Nazir
11. Kaneria

in this case u have depth in batting line up but relying on ur 5 bowling options to come good and HEAT is a big factor. may be YK and Salman shd practise some bowling in nets.

there can be other scenarios also by dropping Kamran and asking YK or Malik to keep. but this is even more risky and reasons we all know.

its not that easy as we fans sometimes think
 
..... i know im a big fan of malik but i still think that younis khan is not a fixed ODI player... ok so he's had good form during the test series but that doesnt mean that he will do the same in the ODI, both concepts of the game are different!! if younis khan is to play (which he obviously will) then he needs to be there the whole day with either inzamam/youhana coz the first 3 batsmen need to make at least 100-150 to start them off... also i dont think hafeez needs to play this match, i know a sixth bowler would be needed in these conditions but i agree that either salman butt/younis khan should be persisted with being part/time bowlers...

funny how articles are 'always' saying that when Pakistan team aint producing the results they should be the PCB are getting 'impatient' i mean what are these people :L? they say they are experienced in cricket?? surely they know cricketers cannot be made heroes overnight... about Dhoni well that was his luck... if only the appeal that shahid afridi made for lbw was given out there wouldnt be that much hype in india as there is about him now.....
 
I think Waheed Khan gets it right more often than he is credited for. Saleem Altaf continues to cause problems. He is the kebab main hadee which will cause problems not Shereyar Khan.
 
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