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Fixtures

Sat 2 Apr 1st ODI Cochin

Tue 5 Apr 2nd ODI Vishakapatnam

Sat 9 Apr 3rd ODI Jamshedpur

Tue 12 Apr 4th ODI Ahmedabad

Fri 15 Apr 5th ODI Kanpur

Sun 17 Apr 6th ODI Delhi

head to head record

overall

played 95 - pak wins 58 india wins 33 N/R 4

in india

played 11 - pak wins 11 india wins 4

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venue 1 cochin

indian record (played 3) - won 2 lost 1

pakistan neva played on the ground

venue 2 Vishakapatnam

indian record (played 3) - won 2 lost 1

pakistan neva played on the ground

venue 3 Jamshedpur

indian record (played 7) - won 1 lost 5 N/R 1

pak record (played 1) - won 1

venue 4 Ahmedabad

indian record (played 7) - won 5 lost 2

pakistan neva played on the ground

venue 5 Kanpur

indian record (played 8) - won 6 lost 2

pakistan neva played on the ground

venue 6 dehli

indian record (played 10) - won 6 lost 4

pakistan neva played on the ground
 
Cant wait for the one dayers to start now...

Just watch out for the Indian Slayer aka 'The Afridi'.
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He looks to be on fire.
 
Wed 30 Mar v India A Hyderabad

also on list... warm up match...
 
badxhah said:
MIG i think u have the played in India one wrong
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Ok - pls provide the corrected text - thanks
 
I would put afridi to open as he would be devastating and also india cannot put their whole team on the boundary on the first 15 overs.
 
It will be a huge series. expect huge scores. India cAN GET good starts through their openers.........
 
CONGRATULATIONS INDEED!

What a performance by a young group of fighting and talented cricketers.

I think the verdict is justified.

Ind played well at Mohali but Pak fought back equally well.

Both teams collapsed n the final day in Kolkotta and Bangalore.

Indian top order is great with Sehwag,Dravid and Sachin.

Pak middle order is in the form of its life with Younous,Inzi,Youhana striking it rich...In contrast,Indian middle-order is pathetic with Gangs and Laxman!Both teams have a decent keeper-batsman and Pak I feel has a better lower-order batting while Ind has a slight edge in bowling.

Inspite of whats on paper,the teams showed that they are evenly matched! Ind had the experience and Pak had the youth and fighting spirit!

I felt that Pak were carrying a useless extra load in the second test playing Khaleel while Ganguly was the useless extra load for Ind which hurt them in the final test!

All in all,a damn exciting series played in healthy spirits with no quarters given or taken!

As an Indian fan,a bit disappointed that we couldnt make it 2 series in a row against Pak.But hey,its a draw!So,atleast it isnt a disaster!
The test series draw now adds a new dimension to the ODI series.The winners may have some bragging rights.

But personally for me,this was the highlight of the tour.Pretty much not too interested in the ODI's.Thats just timepass!!

Finally,once again.Congrats to all Pak fans...And to the rest of the world-Forget the Ashes or the Aus-NZ rivalry..Ind-Pak games are the REAL deal!
 
intresting to note the form off both sides since india won 3-2 in pakistan.

pakistan played 26 --> won 16 lost 10 (62% wins)
V major (20) --------> won 10 lost 10 (50% wins)
v minnows (6) ------> won 6 (100% wins)

india played 17 --> won 7 lost 9 N/R 1 (41% wins)
V major (11) ----> won 2 lost 8 N/R 1 (18% wins)
v minnows (6) ---> won 5 lost 1 ( 83% wins)


since that famous win for india its been a steep downward curve... whereaes pakistan have steadily improved....!

india have won just 2 games out off 11 against top oppostion (including lossing 4-0 to pakistan)
 
Interesting stats there AJ!

I do like the look of our ODI side (bar Hafeez) and im confident we can do really well!
 
All the stats point to a pakistan series win. head to head record historically, recently, in india and even recent form(4-0) ..! however crickets not playe on paper.

I blv pakistan will win series 4-2. i originally though 6-0 or 5-1 to pakistan.. but recon we may lose or 2 games.
 
dont under estimate the bhindians !

they got a strong batting line up who can easily score huge on flat tracks.
 
Also the bhindians got the shock of their lives today and now are trying to make us huge faverouts for the odi series so that we cant come back at them !

I dont understand why pak are faverouts. They(bhindians) got one hell of flat track specialists and can get good scores.

i just want us to stay calm and not predict easy wins in the odi series ! cause it will be hard....
 
i think im the only one and think hafeez will do well in this odi series, there was one knock in austraila he played he looked pretty solid i think he will do well in the middle order
 
1st ODI Lineup

Butt
Hameed
Younis
*Inzamam
Malik
Youhana
Razzaq
Afridi
+Kamran
Naved
Sami
 
Hameed has been dropped!

I would go with.

Salman Butt
Shoaib Malik
Younis Khan
Inzamam
Yousuf Youhana
Abdul Razzaq
Shahid Afridi
Kamran Akmal
Naved Ul Hasan
Mohammed Sami
Shahid Nazir
 
I reckon Akmal might do ok as opener in India. But the dilema is if he fails, Shoaib Malik will be playing as a virtual opener anyway. But I agree with Mudasser's team
 
Guys.......
Hafeez will play, Inzi and Woolmer insist on a 6th bowling option, and on Indian pitches you can use the extra spinner. Dont forget, Hafeez was our first choice openor once (though not a great one)
I would play...
Hafeez
Malik
Younis
Yoyo
Inzi
Akmal
Razzaq
Afridi
Rana
Sami
Shahid Nazir
 
Salman Butt
Shoaib Malik
Younis Khan
Inzamam
Yousuf Youhana
Abdul Razzaq
Shahid Afridi
Kamran Akmal
Naved Ul Hasan
Mohammed Sami
Ifthikar Anjum
 
Salman
Shoaib M/Hafeez
Younis
Inzi
Yoyo
Abdul
Shahid A
Kamran
Rana
Sami
Shahid N
 
Are they all day matches or are some day/night matches?
 
Our players will all do well on the flat tracks. Most of them get exposed abroad. wasim I also expect Hafeez to do well.

Pak can only loose this series if they play very badly. I dont see that happening.
 
i really hope they play Malik and Danish. almsot everyone has excluded Dani. guys he can be real threat to Indians in the middle over. we can attack with him having slip or silly.

1. Malik
2. Salman
3. YK
4. Inzi
5. Yo Yo
6. Abdul
7. Shahid Afridi
8. Kami
9. Sami
10. Shahid Nazir/ Rana/ Rao (happy with anyone)
11. Kaneria

now someone will argue abt the 6th bowling option. we can do well with 5 proper bowlers and Salman and YK can share some 3-4 overs if needed. in 90s we played with 4 bowlers and 5th part timers now we r scared and want to accomodate 6th bowling option .

BUT i know Bob and Inzi will accomodate useless Hafeez. and they also wont play Danish. so the team for 1st one day wud be:

1. Kami / Hafeez
2. Malik/ Salman
3. YK
4. Inzi
5. Yo Yo
6. Abdul
7. Afridi
8. Hafeez / Kami
9. Sami
10. Rana
11. Rao/ Nazir
 
Farhat not included in the squad- wasn't it reported earlier that he was going to be in ??

Also Hameed was dropped again ??


Strange stuff.

Hameed has been royally screwed since BW joined the team.
 
kashif77 said:
Farhat not included in the squad- wasn't it reported earlier that he was going to be in ??

Also Hameed was dropped again ??


Strange stuff.

Hameed has been royally screwed since BW joined the team.
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Hameed has not scored a 50 - except once against Bangladesh - since BW tookover. And that's 15 to 20 one day matches. Why is it so surprising to find him dropped?

Besides the selectors dropped him not BW. The issue between the management and selectors is over Farhat and Yasir Arafat not Hameed.
 
All the pitches for the one-dayers are going to flat tracks. It will be players like Afridi, Razzaq, Yuvraj and Sehwag who will make the difference with their explosive batting. I think the main batsman (Inzamam, Youhana, Dravid, Tendulkar) will be very comfortable. Most of the scores will be over 300. It is the sloggers who will make the difference I think.


Remember guys, we have something like a 4 match winning streak against them. It will be pretty cool if that goes up to 10 by the end of this month... ;-)
 
Vote your option to play stronger 11 in first OD1

1) Open with Salman & Malik, younis at three and keeping wickets.

2) Open with Salman & Malik, younis at three and malik keeping wickets.

2) Open with Akmal while dropping one from Malik & Younis.

3) Open with Afridi/Malik & play younis at three & Hafeez at 6.

4) Use Salman Butt to bowl some overs as 6th bowler.

Some combination from above or other is to make for better team out, final 11 will not make everyone happy as it is really tough situation, WHAT WILL BE YOUR OPTION FROM ABOVE 5 TO MAKE STRONGER TEAM ??
 
option 5 for me (4th in ur list). as u have 2nd twice :) open with Malik and Salman and if needed bowl someovers with Salman or YK. YK at 3. bowlers Sami, Rana/Rao/ Nazir Kaneria and 2 allrounders Afridi and Abdul along with keeper Kami

specialist keeper is a must so options 1 and 2 are useless.

for optoin 3 dropping YK wont happen. He is VC and most importantly he is in amazing form. definitely shd play. malik has thrashed their bowlings recently. he should open with Salman.

there shd be one other option of dropping Salman and open with Hafeez and Malik. it is more likely as Bob and Inzi want 6th bowling option. so in my view there is a tie b/w Salman and Malik for opening spot. and another thing i wnna c is that whether they will play Dani or not
 
some more stats to consider for the series.

indias ODI home record since 2000

played 41 --> won 20 lost 20 N/R 1

V s.africa won 3-2
v zimbabwe won 4-1
V australia lost 2-3
V england drew 3-3
v west indies lost 3-4
tvs cup(n.z & aus) lost 2-4
v pakistan lost 0-1

india havent won any off there last 5 odi series at home...!

also pakistans record in india (played 15 - india wins 4 pak wins 11)

1983/4 - india won 2-0 (2)
1986/7 - pak won 5-1(6)
nehru cup 90 - pak won 1-0(1)
world cup 96 - india won 1-0(1)
Independence Cup 97 - pak won 1-0(1)
pepsi cup 98/99 - pak won 3-0(3)
Jubilee Match 04 - pak won 1-0(1)

pakistan have won last 5 odi clashes in a row between side played in india. india have won just 2 off last 13 played between sides in india.

;)+ ;)+ ;)+ All good signs
 
Can pakistan become the first team to score 400 in a one day innings??? It sounds crazy but I can't think of a better oppurtunity than now. Their big hitters are in great form. Afridi has the psychological edge over indians and if he really clicks, he can score a century of 60 odd balls, Inzi as we know can get any run rate he wants and is in the best form of his life, Razzaq is Mr. last 10 overs, Youhana and younis running between the wickets make 1s into 2's, and Kamran Akmal is doing well to. On top of that, indian bowlers were much stronger last year yet still we scored 320+ off them. Wickets flat....list goes on.

Might be too much to ask but who knows??
 
gud analysis Naz, i thnk that can only happen if we click, but its unlikely cos our opners get slow starts.
 
India has been pretty pathetic in ODI's for the last year or so...It would be interesting to see how they go about it..One major factor for the poor performance was that Sehwag was inconsistent in ODI's..But he always does well against Pak and looks in good form.So Ind could still offer a good fight.Pak looks a more balanced side in the ODI's for sure.Its interesting how the roles have changed.Last time when Ind visited Pak,Pak were expeted to win the Test series while Ind were expected to win the ODI's..This time Ind were expected to win the tests while Pak are expected to win the ODI's!!Shows that these two teams epitomise inconsistency and unpredictability.
 
afridi is not going to open in odi's, bw has said this much on his site and also that malik, yk and hafeez are all going to play. so the most likely team is turning out to be:

akmal
hafeez
malik
yoyo
inzi
yk
razzaq
afridi
sami
rana
rao/kaneria/arshad

i am not sure abt the batting order though, it may be that malik is pushed up to open with akmal with yk coming at 3 and hafeez at 6 but lets see.
 
Team should be:

S Butt
K Akmal
Y Khan
I Haq
Y Youhana
S Malik
A Razzaq
S Afridi
M Sami
D Kaneria
S Nazir/ R Naved
 
that is probably the strongest team we have Hitman. although Malik might just make room for Haffez. its not the best scenario but...
 
appeal till you squeal said:
that is probably the strongest team we have Hitman. although Malik might just make room for Haffez. its not the best scenario but...
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no chance of malik not playing, in fact he is going to play in the no3 position with yk at 6. hafeez if playing would come in place of butt and open the innings.
 
mumtaz said:
appeal till you squeal said:
that is probably the strongest team we have Hitman. although Malik might just make room for Haffez. its not the best scenario but...
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no chance of malik not playing, in fact he is going to play in the no3 position with yk at 6. hafeez if playing would come in place of butt and open the innings.
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you have a point Mumtaz. I just think they will use Butt to neutralize pathan. he finds it difficult to bowl to lefties. i guess we are lucky we have such colid reserves now. not only in batting but bowilng as well. atleast as fora s ODI's are concerned!
 
According to Jang today , BW and Inzi has this plan. open with Kami for sure and a tie b/w Hafeez and Salman. Hafeez might get edge. Malik defo playing at number 3. Inzi , Yo Yo, YK, Abdul , Afridi, Sami and Rana , and then a tie b/w Danish / Arshad / Nazir. if spin wkt then Danish/Arshad if not then Nazir.

I am still not convinced with the idea of opening with Kami. Malik and Salman for me , YK at 3 and Abdul at 6 . any they know better than us for sure. we shd just hope and pray that INSHALLAH we thrash them
 
Poosible Team for 1st ODI against India

i think this will be the possible team

1. Salman Butt
2. Shoaib Malik
3. Younis Khan
4. Inzimam ul haq
5. Yousaf Yohana
6. Kamran Akmal
7. Abdur Razzaq
8. Shahid Afridi
9. Mohammad Sami
10. Rana naveed
11. Shahid Nazir OR Rao Iftikhar

I think Kamran Akmal will posibbly open with Salman Butt however there is a possibility of Shoaib Malik opening with Butt ..

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Kaneria : although he is reatined in ODI squad but i dont think he will play.

ARSHAD : Might be given chance on a turning pitch since he is a slowish off spinner he might kept some batsman quiet but i doubt .... he will get some extra bounce though

Hafeez : Useless

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guys plz post your possible team
 
can woolmer drop s.malik after his recent batting form, his recent batting form against india especially and todays performance?

i hope not, hes in my fantasy cricket team.
 
i dont think people are giving Hafeez a fair chance, i think that if he doesnt perform well in this series he should be sent back to the drawing board but we have to play a few times we must give him a fair chance
 
No he wont INSHALLAH. but in order to accommodate his fav Hafeez the axe has to be on Malik or Salman. though both shd play and open wth YK at 6.
 
I don't think it is worth playing 4 seamers on indian tracks so would definitely include Arshad/Kaneria. I would also consider dropping Butt who I think is lucky to retain his place ahead of Yasir Hameed.

I think the team should be:

Hafeez/Butt
Akmal
YK
Yoyo
Inzi
Malik
Razzaq
Afridi
Rana
Sami
Arshad/Kaneria

Our lower order looks very explosive with 4 six hitters in Malik, Razzaq, Afridi and Rana. I wouldn't open with Afridi because I believe we need a solid start and need to retain wickets until the last 10/15 overs when we can explode.
 
Salman
Malik
YK
Inzi
Youhanna
Razzaq
Afridi
Akmal
Rana
Sami
Nazir/Kaneria

This would be my team. If 6th bowling option is a problem, then we need to remove YK and add in a full-time bowler.
 
A lot of people say that Arshad is accurate - have a feeling that he may get in at the expense of Kaneria/Nazeer?

Also who in the right mind will now remove the VC ?

Thats where possibly Malik could lose out but then you can say that cos these games will be high scoring - its better to have an extra batman than a bowler. So basically go with 5 bowlers and hope they all do well!! India have the luxury of almost 7 bowlers !
 
MIG: I'm totally against removing YK but I don't want to have him in the team in expense of Shoaib Malik. I suggested that team because I DO want YK in the squad, and rather see Pakistan bowl with just the 5 minimum options.
 
Malik is really hungry right now and he could be our man of the series if he plays. He has scored BIG off indians before and todays performance was a message to inzi and coach. The one reason why he should edge out yk is that he can step it up like he did against SA and scored 80 off 40 balls. YK however likes to take his time. Close call but i'd play malik for a couple of games and see how it goes.
 
My Team would be :

In Batting Order
Butt
Afridi
Malik
MYK
Inzi
Razzaq
Akmal
Rana
Sami
Nazir
 
hydro u have left Yo Yo. i hope u made a mistake and wanted to include him. Inzi Yo Yo Abdul Afridi and Kamran are sure 101% . unless they are unfit
 
after todays match i think it would be easy to say that Butt and Malik both will play because there was a rumour that Hafeez is also going to play since since india will be playing with 7 batsman and pakistan need 1 extra spinning option but i think ARSHAD is serious contender for match No 1 however i want to see Nazir back in action ;)
 
Butt / Hafeez / YK / Akmal / Afridi
Malik / Hafeez / YK / Akmal / Afridi
YK / Malik / Hafeez
Yoyo
Inzi
Razzaq
Afridi
Akmal
Rana
Sami
Rao / Arshad / Kaneria

Pakistan being really high on confidence will try different permutations of the above team with playing or six bowlers. Most likely they will go with 6 bowlers in the first game, so the bowlers that have bowled extensively in the test matches, can get their bearings right. I personally feel that if we go up on the series, Inzi, Yoyo, and YK will also be rested and the youngsters given more chance to play. I expect tough competition from Indian batsmen, but it remains to be seen how their bowling holds up against us.
 
If there was any doubt about malik then its over now play him at 3 !

Drop hafeez. open with afrdi so we can get a sixth bowler......
 
Salman Butt
Shoaib Malik
Younis Khan
Yousaf Youhana
Inzamam ul Haq
Shahid Afridi
Abdul Razzaq
Kamran Akmal
Muhammad Sami
Shahid Nazir
Rana Naveed
 
9 places in the team are locked down, the question is about the remaining 2 places. butt/hafeez or rao/arshad/nazir. i think pakistan are going to go in with hafeez and rao which i think is the right decision.
 
i cant understand why so many people over here keep saying that malik shud open ????

HIS PLACE IS NUMBER 3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND THERE IS NO PLACE FOR YOUNIS IN ODI AT THE MOMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
my team :

butt
akmal
malik
inzi
younis
youhana
razzaq
afridi
sami
rana
kaneria
 
butt
akmal
malik
inzi
younis
youhana
razzaq
afridi
sami
rana
kaneria or rao or s nazir
 
I agree with Amjid's team, though I would have Nazir in contention as well (I presume amjid forgot him). I doubt they will play that team though. I think Hafeez pretty much is guaranteed a place, unfortnuately.
 
hash, id love to see s nazir in team as a 3rd seamer.

he wud do a good honest job for pakistan. good natural swing bowler and reverse swing bowler.. also gives control.

i got feeling thou rao will play as 3rd seamer at start.
 
i wud say rao is a good new ball bowler and not much thereafter. if he plays, i wud like him to take the new ball with rana with sami as first change.
 
I agree sami shud be 1st change with rana bowling with rao/s nazir 1st up.
 
1. Malik
2. Salman
3. YK
4. Inzi
5. Yo Yo
6. Abdul
7. Shahid
8. Kamran
9. Sami
10. Rana
11. Nazir / Danish
 
This will be the team. If Younis Khan is 100%.

1. Kamran Akmal
2. Shoaib Malik
3. Younis Khan/Hafeez
4. Izi
5. Youhana
6. Younis/Hafeez
7. Razzak
8. Afridi
9. Naveed
10. Sami
11. Rao

Bob is going to play with 6 bowlers no matter what. And he ll make sure Shoaib Malik is part of playing 11. (as he should in my opinion)

-xbox
 
Tests= Pakistan were the underdogs .. they drew the series
ODI=India are the underdogs ..Result will be In india's Favour.
I dont know Wat laws of nature apply but that is always the case.The team which is termed as underdogs always comes out as winner.(Excpet in Aussies Clashes).
Everybody is thinking India will be low and pakistan on a high note and will walk away with the series..well it happens always opposite (still dont know why)
Prbblly the same rule apply When ur team is batting/bowling and not doin well you close the tv..and Bang !! either your team has scored runs or managed to pick up wickets.
 
hasanahmad said:
Salman Butt
Shoaib Malik
Younis Khan
Yousaf Youhana
Inzamam ul Haq
Shahid Afridi
Abdul Razzaq
Kamran Akmal
Muhammad Sami
Shahid Nazir
Rana Naveed
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this is an excellent team. ;)+

I would play the same team in the same order , presuming that YK is fully fit.
 
cricinfo:




India team:
V Sehwag, SR Tendulkar, *SC Ganguly, R Dravid, Yuvraj Singh,
M Kaif, +MS Dhoni, Harbhajan Singh, L Balaji, Z Khan, A Nehra.

Pakistan team:
+Kamran Akmal, Salman Butt, *Inzamam-ul-Haq, Yousuf Youhana,
Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Hafeez, Abdul Razzaq, Shahid Afridi,
Mohammad Sami, Arshad Khan, Naved-ul-Hasan.


India to bat 1st
 
India to bat first and Pakistan has to field in this heat

NO doubt this will have its toll on our team and wud be reflected whn we come out to chase Indian total
 
Pakistan should make definet some changes, but infact our batting line up should not be changed just one or 2 players needed to change.

We all have seen that Rana has some batting ability he should be batting one number than Sami infact he should be playing as an allrounder.

What i realy like about Rana when his team realy needs he deliver it. Just like in the Australia ODI series Sami & Sohaib both where injured and ruled out. He took up for himself he played briantly for his team batting and bowling and not to forget his fielding !

My line up

Salman But
Kamran Akmal
Sohaib Malik
Inzamam-Ul-Haq
Yousuf Youhana
Abdur Razzak
Shahid Afridi
Rana Naved Ul Hassan
Mohammed Sami
Danish Kaneria - in place of Arshad Khan
Shahid Nazir - this boy needs chance
 
u want to take out teh leading wicket taker in the pakistan team for this series? thats a sure way to boost his confidence.
 
My team should be the same as the first match if Younis isnt fit. Theres no need to make wholesale changes.
 
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