Pakistan’s pacers and India’s Jasprit Bumrah dependency: Has the balance shifted?

[Farabi]

There was a period of 5–7 years when Indian fast bowling was arguably world-class, with Ishant Sharma, Jasprit Bumrah, and Mohammed Shami leading the attack, occasionally supported by Umesh Yadav.

While India did win a Test series in Australia with new pacers, many of them—like Natarajan and Saini—failed to sustain that level and have since faded.

At the moment, it feels like India is heavily reliant on Bumrah, with the rest of the pacers lacking the same edge. In contrast, Pakistan’s pacers, such as Khurram Shahzad, Mir Hamza, and Amir Jamal, performed admirably in Australia, showcasing a more versatile and well-rounded attack. Pakistan could have even eked out a win or two had the batting stood up.

With Shaheen and Naseem also in the mix, it looks like a more balanced attack.

The way Bumrah is being overburdened to carry the hopes of a billion people raises concerns about his longevity. Has the balance shifted back to Pakistan as the land of pacers, with India returning to its reputation for trundlers like Harish Rana, Reddy, etc.?

 

[Varun]

Pakistan pacers are peek-a-boo types who play a handful of tests only to increase their stock in T20 franchise competitions.

Let that change first.

 

[Devadwal]

There was a period of 5-7 years when Indian fast bowling was arguably world-class, with Ishant Sharma, Bumrah, and Shami leading the attack, occasionally supported by Umesh Yadav.

While India did win a Test series in Australia with new pacers, many of them—like Natarajan and Saini—failed to sustain that level and have since faded.

At the moment, it feels like India is heavily reliant on Bumrah, with the rest of the pacers lacking the same edge. In contrast, Pakistan’s pacers, such as Khurram Shahzad, Mir Hamza, and Amir Jamal, performed admirably in Australia, showcasing a more versatile and well-rounded attack. Pakistan could have even eked out a win or two had the batting stood up.

With Shaheen and Naseem also in the mix, it looks like a more balanced attack.

The way Bumrah is being overburdened to carry the hopes of a billion people raises concerns about his longevity. Has the balance shifted back to Pakistan as the land of pacers, with India returning to its reputation for trundlers Harish Rana, Reddy etc ?

Harshit rana average speed is better than most of pakistani test pacers lol.

 

[Farabi]

Pakistan pacers are peek-a-boo types who play a handful of tests only to increase their stock in T20 franchise competitions.

Let that change first.

Injury rehab has been a concern for sure. I think you’re talking about Amir, which I didn’t count as part of the talent pool.

 

[Farabi]

Harshit rana average speed is better than most of pakistani test pacers lol.

He’s the slowest fast pacer I’ve seen
Very little impact so far.
Khurram Shahzad, Amir Jamal, and Mir Hamza had low 20 average in recent series there. Bowling well again in SA

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pakistan pacers are peek-a-boo types who play a handful of tests only to increase their stock in T20 franchise competitions.

Let that change first.

Basically this. Our guys at their best are still below all the other Indian bowlers minus Bumrah

 

[Devadwal]

He’s the slowest fast pacer I’ve seen
Very little impact so far.
Khurram Shahzad, Amir Jamal, and Mir Hamza had low 20 average in recent series there. Bowling well again in SA

He has played two test in his career so far and won one of them in australia which is dream of any Pakistan pacers since 1995.

 

[Farabi]

He has played two test in his career so far and won one of them in australia which is dream of any Pakistan pacers since 1995.

Winning a test match takes batting as well. Anyway it’s not a troll thread. It’s just pointing out end of an era

 

[Devadwal]

Winning a test match takes batting as well. Anyway it’s not a troll thread. It’s just pointing out end of an era

Aparts from last tour Pakistan were lost in australia due to Bowling not batting .

 

[Farabi]

Aparts from last tour Pakistan were lost in australia due to Bowling not batting .

That’s true!
Read my post again. That’s what I said, have we reverted to type again.

 

[kron]

He’s the slowest fast pacer I’ve seen
Very little impact so far.
Khurram Shahzad, Amir Jamal, and Mir Hamza had low 20 average in recent series there. Bowling well again in SA

Tbf rana is only 22. He only bowled badly in pink tests which is ok. He should have been backed.

In saying that he may be 22 but honestly he looks 28 lmao.

I agree. I am impressed with mir hamza. Did well in aus iirc. Jaamal is a bit of a trundler but he puts a lot of effort and bowls a heavy ball.

We need to back our youngsters and give them time to develop.

 

[kron]

That’s true!
Read my post again. That’s what I said, have we reverted to type again.

You are not wrong.

Shami is old now and innur prone. But yes he was badly missed

I would still back rana. He has potential.
Prasidh then kuldeep Sen

After that we can have siraj as 3rd pacer or 4th choice. There are a couple of youngsters coming through but not ready yet.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

There was a period of 5–7 years when Indian fast bowling was arguably world-class, with Ishant Sharma, Jasprit Bumrah, and Mohammed Shami leading the attack, occasionally supported by Umesh Yadav.

While India did win a Test series in Australia with new pacers, many of them—like Natarajan and Saini—failed to sustain that level and have since faded.

At the moment, it feels like India is heavily reliant on Bumrah, with the rest of the pacers lacking the same edge. In contrast, Pakistan’s pacers, such as Khurram Shahzad, Mir Hamza, and Amir Jamal, performed admirably in Australia, showcasing a more versatile and well-rounded attack. Pakistan could have even eked out a win or two had the batting stood up.

With Shaheen and Naseem also in the mix, it looks like a more balanced attack.

The way Bumrah is being overburdened to carry the hopes of a billion people raises concerns about his longevity. Has the balance shifted back to Pakistan as the land of pacers, with India returning to its reputation for trundlers like Harish Rana, Reddy, etc.?

Harshit Rana clocked 145 kph in Australia this time. Same speed as Naseem

Premature thread

 

[Farabi]

Harshit Rana clocked 145 kph in Australia this time. Same speed as Naseem

Premature thread

This thread is about Indian fast bowling being Bumrah or bust. I don’t care 125 or 145. It’s an attack made up of Bumrah and Bumrah alone right now.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This thread is about Indian fast bowling being Bumrah or bust. I don’t care 125 or 145. It’s an attack made up of Bumrah and Bumrah alone right now.

That's still 1 more bowler than Pakistan. Also , Siraj won us a Test in South Africa not more than a year ago. When any of your bowlers can do that , trundler or otherwise , this thread will be valid.

 

[Mesozoic]

Lmao...

Your pacers were so useless that your board had to resort to using an already used wicket for another Test in order to eek out a result on a 10th day wicket using a couple of spinner chachas. Where does this delusion even come from?

 

[Farabi]

That's still 1 more bowler than Pakistan. Also , Siraj won us a Test in South Africa not more than a year ago. When any of your bowlers can do that , trundler or otherwise , this thread will be valid.

Winning a test match goes beyond just bowling.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Winning a test match goes beyond just bowling.

They outbowled whatever your bowlers are doing right now.

 

[Usman Chadda]

We just got white-washed by Bangladesh at home, where all our pacers did squat throughout the series.

Our Test and T20 cricket is in deep trouble so we shouldn’t be making these threads.

However, India’s over-reliance on Bumrah is comical, considering the hype that is put on the rest of the bowlers.

 

[Farabi]

Lmao...

Your pacers were so useless that your board had to resort to using an already used wicket for another Test in order to eke out a result on a 10th day wicket using a couple of spinner chachas. Where does this delusion even come from?

Tool long to learn from our Neighbours Doctored pitches strategy 500
Wickets galore for Ashwin and Jadeja but still our lads are pretty stubborn

 

[Farabi]

We just got white-washed by Bangladesh at home, where all our pacers did squat throughout the series.

Our Test and T20 cricket is in deep trouble so we shouldn’t be making these threads.

However, India’s over-reliance on Bumrah is comical, considering the hype that is put on the rest of the bowlers.

I am not sure what you’re talking about. The fast bowling has looked pretty decent in Aus. Much better than India’s who have been bang average.

Thread is not about flat highway dead pitches that make all fast bowlers poor

 

[Usman Chadda]

I am not sure what you’re talking about. The fast bowling has looked pretty decent in Aus. Much better than India’s who have been bang average

If our pacers were so good, they wouldn’t be getting smashed at home by Bangladesh batters (with all due respect).

Only in ODIs have they found some groove, they disappear in Tests and T20s.

 

[Mesozoic]

Tool long to learn from our Neighbours Doctored pitches strategy 500
Wickets galore for Ashwin and Jadeja but still our lads are pretty stubborn

Whatever mate... atleast we didn't have to resort to 10th day wickets to have a chance at a win on home soil.

 

[Mesozoic]

I am not sure what you’re talking about. The fast bowling has looked pretty decent in Aus. Much better than India’s who have been bang average.

Thread is not about flat highway dead pitches that make all fast bowlers poor

"mUch beTTer" .... lost 3-0.

"bAng aVeRaGe" .... currently tied at 1-1

 

[Farabi]

If our pacers were so good, they wouldn’t be getting smashed at home by Bangladesh batters (with all due respect).

Only in ODIs have they found some groove, they disappear in Tests and T20s.

Amir Jamal, Khurram Shahzad and Mir Hamza had great tour to Aus. They looked much more potent than these Indian bowlers. Overall as a pack, Aus batting was kept under check almost throughout but Indian bowling as looked toothless for most part. It’s Bumrah or bust.

Bangladesh is irrelevant. Pitches are dead

 

[Farabi]

"mUch beTTer" .... lost 3-0.

"bAng aVeRaGe" .... currently tied at 1-1

You and your compatriots keep jumping to scoreline. It’s totally irrelevant. Winning a test match is not just fast bowling, you have to score big runs and catch well, which India did well

 

[Farabi]

Whatever mate... atleast we didn't have to resort to 10th day wickets to have a chance at a win on home soil.

Irrelevant. This thread is about whether Indian fast bowling has turned a corner and reverted to type.
It’s not about winning/lose test matches, Pakistan winning test matches or losing them and spinners

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Amir Jamal, Khurram Shahzad and Mir Hamza had great tour to Aus. They looked much more potent than these Indian bowlers. Overall as a pack, Aus batting was kept under check almost throughout but Indian bowling as looked toothless for most part. It’s Bumrah or bust.

Bangladesh is irrelevant. Pitches are dead

Dead pitches where Hasan Mahmud and Taskin Ahmed averaged 24 with the ball ? OK

 

[DTrump]

17 Losses in a Row in Australia.
7* Losses in a row in South Africa. Will probably be 9 in a month

Knock it off. Ajit Agarkar won India a test in Australia. Vishwa Fernando has won a series in South Africa.

What has the land of pacers achieved.
Series loss to Bangladesh??

 

[Mesozoic]

You and your compatriots keep jumping to scoreline. It’s totally irrelevant. Winning a test match is not just fast bowling, you have to score big runs and catch well, which India did well

Scoreline is literally all that matters.

These same "bang average" Indian bowlers helped us win more Tests in this single series than all the Pakistani bowling attacks combined in Australia since 1996. Sit down fella.

 

[Mesozoic]

Irrelevant. This thread is about whether Indian fast bowling has turned a corner and reverted to type.
It’s not about winning/lose test matches, Pakistan winning test matches or losing them and spinners

Nahid Rana and Hasan Mahmud out bowled your fast bowlers by a country mile..

Likes of Gus Atkinson, Brydon Carse did the same until your board realised that your pacers are useless and resorted to relying on a 10th day wicket and a couple of uncle spinners.

 

[DTrump]

Khurram Shehzad aka Colin Croft
Mohammed Abbas aka Andy Roberts
Mir Hamza aka Malcolm Marshall
Aamer Jamal aka Joel Garner
Shaheen Shah Afridi aka Michael Holding
Naseem Shah aka Curtly Ambrose.

International cricket is shaking in fear.
Harry Brook is trembling and will retire tomorrow.

 

[Farabi]

17 Losses in a Row in Australia.
7* Losses in a row in South Africa. Will probably be 9 in a month

Knock it off. Ajit Agarkar won India a test in Australia. Vishwa Fernando has won a series in South Africa.

What has the land of pacers achieved.
Series loss to Bangladesh??

@Mesozoic @Nikhil_cric

It appears you have made this into an India vs Pakistan thread, which wasn’t the intention.

India has been the better touring team in Aus. The batting has looked much more assured. Although it benefits from A tours and regular test matches and exposure in Aus.

That said, i thought Indian bowling will dismiss Australia to manageable totals. However, the bowling has looked pretty poor. It reminds me of the 90s Indian batting - Sachin or bust. This looks like Bumrah or bust.
This test looks like a lost cause, and even 3rd test was saved by rain.
The fast bowling is looking pretty toothless and seems to be reverting to type.

 

[Farabi]

Khurram Shehzad aka Colin Croft
Mohammed Abbas aka Andy Roberts
Mir Hamza aka Malcolm Marshall
Aamer Jamal aka Joel Garner
Shaheen Shah Afridi aka Michael Holding
Naseem Shah aka Curtly Ambrose.

International cricket is shaking in fear.
Harry Brook is trembling and will retire tomorrow.

At least they demised Aus under 300 most innings as a pack

 

[Nikhil_cric]

@Mesozoic @Nikhil_cric

It appears you have made this into an India vs Pakistan thread, which wasn’t the intention.

India has been the better touring team in Aus. The batting has looked much more assured. Although it benefits from A tours and regular test matches and exposure in Aus.

That said, i thought Indian bowling will dismiss Australia to manageable totals. However, the bowling has looked pretty poor. It reminds me of the 90s Indian batting - Sachin or bust. This looks like Bumrah or bust.
This test looks like a lost cause, and even 3rd test was saved by rain.
The fast bowling is looking pretty toothless and seems to be reverting to type.

Actually you made this thread and you are comparing the attacks with very little context. This may well be a return to the 90' s status quo. But this is far too premature.

Your attack has just let a #9 score his highest FC score.

 

[Farabi]

Dead pitches where Hasan Mahmud and Taskin Ahmed averaged 24 with the ball ? OK

Are you satisfied with Indian bowling on this tour to Australia?

 

[DTrump]

@Mesozoic @Nikhil_cric

It appears you have made this into an India vs Pakistan thread, which wasn’t the intention.

India has been the better touring team in Aus. The batting has looked much more assured. Although it benefits from A tours and regular test matches and exposure in Aus.

That said, i thought Indian bowling will dismiss Australia to manageable totals. However, the bowling has looked pretty poor. It reminds me of the 90s Indian batting - Sachin or bust. This looks like Bumrah or bust.
This test looks like a lost cause, and even 3rd test was saved by rain.
The fast bowling is looking pretty toothless and seems to be reverting to type.

Cute. Your post says Has the balance of power shifted and Pakistan are back as the land of pacers.

That's what is being discussed. You brought up Pakistan's factory line of great seamers. You are correct about India here but that was not what you started with.

 

[Farabi]

Cute. Your post says Has the balance of power shifted and Pakistan are back as the land of pacers.

That's what is being discussed. You brought up Pakistan's factory line of great seamers. You are correct about India here but that was not what you started with.

Are you satisfied with Indian fast bowling bar Bumrah on the Aus tour? Do you feel like the fast bowling is in safe hands?

 

[DTrump]

At least they demised Aus under 300 most innings as a pack

Congratulations. Shamar Joseph went there and won a test with a broken toe.

Perspective. NZ also lost to Australia despite Henry's heroics. Think Pakistan are better than them too?

 

[Muhammad Saad]

No doubt that Indian attack of Ishant , Bumrah and Shami were much superior than current attack which is one man army currently , however our test bowlers are simply crap and currently we are still behind Indian attack with Bhumrah and on par/slightly better with Indian attack minus Bhumrah

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Are you satisfied with Indian bowling on this tour to Australia?

What does that have to do with the premise of this thread. India is behind OZ/ENG/SA and maybe even NZ currently and that's fair. But let's wait before we start praising PAK bowlers when the pace factory was supposed to have revived in 2019 but is still a terrible pace attack all things considered.

 

[Mesozoic]

@Mesozoic @Nikhil_cric

It appears you have made this into an India vs Pakistan thread, which wasn’t the intention.

India has been the better touring team in Aus. The batting has looked much more assured. Although it benefits from A tours and regular test matches and exposure in Aus.

That said, i thought Indian bowling will dismiss Australia to manageable totals. However, the bowling has looked pretty poor. It reminds me of the 90s Indian batting - Sachin or bust. This looks like Bumrah or bust.
This test looks like a lost cause, and even 3rd test was saved by rain.
The fast bowling is looking pretty toothless and seems to be reverting to type.

Lmao...look at the cowardly change in tone after the mirror is shown.

We know exactly what your intentions were when making this thread especially with that cringeworthy "return of land of fast bowlers" phrase.

Now go watch a debutant no.9 who is thrashing your pace attack all over Centurion.

 

[Farabi]

Congratulations. Shamar Joseph went there and won a test with a broken toe.

Perspective. NZ also lost to Australia despite Henry's heroics. Think Pakistan are better than them too?

Then why aren’t Indian bowlers able to do it this tour?

 

[Farabi]

Lmao...look at the cowardly change in tone after the mirror is shown.

We know exactly what your intentions were when making this thread especially with that cringeworthy "return of land of fast bowlers" phrase.

Now go watch a debutant no.9 who is thrashing your pace attack all over Centurion.

There is no change in tone.
Are you satisfied with fast bowling on BGT tour?

 

[Farabi]

What does that have to do with the premise of this thread. India is behind OZ/ENG/SA and maybe even NZ currently and that's fair. But let's wait before we start praising PAK bowlers when the pace factory was supposed to have revived in 2019 but is still a terrible pace attack all things considered.

Why are you all ignoring the question?

 

[Farabi]

Lmao...look at the cowardly change in tone after the mirror is shown.

We know exactly what your intentions were when making this thread especially with that cringeworthy "return of land of fast bowlers" phrase.

Now go watch a debutant no.9 who is thrashing your pace attack all over Centurion.

It’s still not a bad effort. India conceded 408 here last year.

Had they not made dumb move of bringing Abbas and continued with Nauman Ali or Mir Hamza, I think they could have done better.

 

[Mesozoic]

There is no change in tone.
Are you satisfied with fast bowling on BGT tour?

What does me being satisfied or not have got to do with what you're trying to desperately peddle on this thread?

The bar is extremely low for the Indian fast bowlers when in comparison with the current Pakistani ones and they have already crossed that in the very first Test at Perth itself.

 

[Farabi]

No doubt that Indian attack of Ishant , Bumrah and Shami were much superior than current attack which is one man army currently , however our test bowlers are simply crap and currently we are still behind Indian attack with Bhumrah and on par/slightly better with Indian attack minus Bhumrah

That was exactly the intent of this post. Although Indian attack minus Bumrah is pretty pedestrian. Our bowling had more sting there last tour on same pitches vs same opposition including Warner.

 

[jnaveen1980]

As long as Rohit sharma is the captain, WI, Bangladesh fast bowling > India.

 

[Mesozoic]

It’s still not a bad effort. India conceded 408 here last year.

Had they not made dumb move of bringing Abbas and continued with Nauman Ali or Mir Hamza, I think they could have done better.

This is a much weaker South African batting line-up without Elgar who scored 190 in that match.

Next?

 

[Mesozoic]

Our bowling had more sting there last tour on same pitches vs same opposition including Warner.

Not the same pitches and conditions. MCG last year was a lot more quicker and had overcast conditions.

In Perth, your attack still got clobbered all over the park when the wicket didn't offer any assistance.

 

[Farabi]

What does me being satisfied or not have got to do with what you're trying to desperately peddle on this thread?

The bar is extremely low for the Indian fast bowlers when in comparison with the current Pakistani ones and they have already crossed that in the very first Test at Perth itself.

See you’re not satisfied or happy with this bowling attack yourself. You know deep down it’s toothless, and god forbid something happens to Bumrah.
I thought last tour Nataranjan Saini Indian test bowling is sorted but it seems to have gone back to old days. Travis Head will break all records…

 

[Farabi]

Not the same pitches and conditions. MCG last year was a lot more quicker and had overcast conditions.

In Perth, your attack still got clobbered all over the park when the wicket didn't offer any assistance.

Maybe it was the weather. But when Aussies are bowling, it looks a “lot quicker” as if there are “overcast conditions”. Is the weather timing whose innings it is

 

[jnaveen1980]

India's set up was different. Shastri/Bharat Arun combo was completely different. What we have now is one of the worst coach/captain combination. India lost home series with Ashwin/Jadeja/Kuldeep something nobody thought it would be possible. WIll that make NZ spin > India spin?

 

[Farabi]

As long as Rohit sharma is the captain, WI, Bangladesh fast bowling > India.

Even Pakistan fast bowling with red ball has been pretty forgettable lately but it does seem to be trending upward now

 

[saimayubera]

It’s still not a bad effort. India conceded 408 here last year.

Had they not made dumb move of bringing Abbas and continued with Nauman Ali or Mir Hamza, I think they could have done better.

And bundled them out for 55 next game led by Siraj, who I believe is not Bumrah.

Will Pakistan do the same?

 

[Farabi]

India's set up was different. Shastri/Bharat Arun combo was completely different. What we have now is one of the worst coach/captain combination. India lost home series with Ashwin/Jadeja/Kuldeep something nobody thought it would be possible. WIll that make NZ spin > India spin?

I agree. I think Rohit Sharma doesn’t have the same vision as Kohli for India’s fast bowling. They are loading all rounders instead of proper pacers and focusing on that

 

[saimayubera]

Even Pakistan fast bowling with red ball has been pretty forgettable lately but it does seem to be trending upward now

Naah. Win a match in SENA first. It’s been 7 years nearly.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Even Pakistan fast bowling with red ball has been pretty forgettable lately but it does seem to be trending upward now

India did that for well over 5 years. Under Kohli, Rahane. India's fast bowling took a hit since Rohit took over. The way Rohit abuses Bumrah like a workhorse, he will also start having poor returns soon enough. Who knwos he may get injured.

 

[Farabi]

And bundled them out for 55 next game led by Siraj, who I believe is not Bumrah.

Will Pakistan do the same?

Are you sure? Don’t think it was the same test

 

[Farabi]

India did that for well over 5 years. Under Kohli, Rahane. India's fast bowling took a hit since Rohit took over. The way Rohit abuses Bumrah like a workhorse, he will also start having poor returns soon enough. Who knwos he may get injured.

Bumrah is literally getting abused right now. Reminds me of how Pakistan used Shaheen. He was basically abused too

 

[Devadwal]

Highest scores from No.9 on Test debut - 81* by Corbin Bosch vs pakistan Pacers which Op is talking about and it's Just 2 hour after the starting this thread. LAMO​

 

[saimayubera]

Maybe it was the weather. But when Aussies are bowling, it looks a “lot quicker” as if there are “overcast conditions”. Is the weather timing whose innings it is

Except for the pink ball test which Pak didn’t play and which Aus is vastly experienced in when did Aus look a lot quicker?

Thumped in Perth. Tailenders thumped them around in Brisbane. MCG innings not over.

 

[Mesozoic]

Maybe it was the weather. But when Aussies are bowling, it looks a “lot quicker” as if there are “overcast conditions”. Is the weather timing whose innings it is

Well the Indian batting made the wickets look more challenging. Rohit Kohli, Gill etc are all below average test batters now so no wonder they couldn't make use of good batting conditions in this series.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Are you sure? Don’t think it was the same test

In the next Test match at Cape Town.

 

[Farabi]

India did that for well over 5 years. Under Kohli, Rahane. India's fast bowling took a hit since Rohit took over. The way Rohit abuses Bumrah like a workhorse, he will also start having poor returns soon enough. Who knwos he may get injured.

I mean I didn’t want to watch pak vs Aus test series. I thought it would be embarassing double centuries by head and Warner. Surprising, Aussie found it hard to cope with Mir Hamza, K Shahzad and Amir Jamal’s controlled bowling with movement.

 

[Farabi]

In the next Test match at Cape Town.

Oh ok! I think Siraj is still a good bowler tbh but he doesn’t look like leader of the attack if Bumrah is not available

 

[saimayubera]

See you’re not satisfied or happy with this bowling attack yourself. You know deep down it’s toothless, and god forbid something happens to Bumrah.
I thought last tour Nataranjan Saini Indian test bowling is sorted but it seems to have gone back to old days. Travis Head will break all records…

It is still better than Pakistan cause Pakistan hasn’t gone back to “good old days”.

Indian pace bowling is in transition but to compare with a country which has not won in SENA in last 7 years - and SNA in last 15 is a joke.

Siraj, while inconsistent is still better than any post Asif Pak pacer.

 

[Farabi]

Well the Indian batting made the wickets look more challenging. Rohit Kohli, Gill etc are all below average test batters now so no wonder they couldn't make use of good batting conditions in this series.

Could be! Line and lengths have been off too by fast bowlers. Ishanth, Shami were much more skillful and had mean bouncers.
This attack doesn’t have the same oomph nor extraordinary control

 

[jnaveen1980]

I mean I didn’t want to watch pak vs Aus test series. I thought it would be embarassing double centuries by head and Warner. Surprising, Aussie found it hard to cope with Mir Hamza, K Shahzad and Amir Jamal’s controlled bowling with movement.

Warner is not quiet the same he used to be. Head you probably have to give a bit of credit to shan masood.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Oh ok! I think Siraj is still a good bowler tbh but he doesn’t look like leader of the attack if Bumrah is not available

OK. It's trending upwards for PAK with Mir Hamza, Khurram Shehzad as your premium leaders of the attack. Congrats on the new golden era. Hope it turns out to be s better golden era than Musa, Hasnain etc

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Highest scores from No.9 on Test debut - 81* by Corbin Bosch vs pakistan Pacers which Op is talking about and it's Just 2 hour after the starting this thread. LAMO​

Look at his FC average he is proper batter with 40 avg in every format of the game surely he is morę capable batter then saf no 7 and 8 , atleast his FC stats shows that.

 

[Farabi]

It is still better than Pakistan cause Pakistan hasn’t gone back to “good old days”.

Indian pace bowling is in transition but to compare with a country which has not won in SENA in last 7 years - and SNA in last 15 is a joke.

Siraj, while inconsistent is still better than any post Asif Pak pacer.

1. Not talking about Pakistani bowling in last 7 years. You didn’t get the point.
2. Winning losing test matches goes beyond fast bowling.

Let’s stick to topic

 

[Farabi]

OK. It's trending upwards for PAK with Mir Hamza, Khurram Shehzad as your premium leaders of the attack. Congrats on the new golden era. Hope it turns out to be s better golden era than Musa, Hasnain etc

They aren’t bad at all. Very good pacers. Both averaged low 20s in Aus.
Agreed they ain’t express, but they both have done OK start to their careers. Mir Hamza is very unlucky to miss out.
Even Amir Jamal is good. He’s been taking wickets regularly.
Naseem and Shaheen also getting back in form.

 

[saimayubera]

Indian pace bowling is not as potent as before and is in transition.

Even Ishant and Shami were okish at best during 2014. Only next cycle they became great.

But to compare to a country of one season test pacers is weird. Naseem, Shaheen etc - all the great hopefuls seem finished.

Next few seasons will prolly see another few batches of new “Wasims/Waqars” while the Indian pacers will mature and give 7-8 good years before the next cycle begins.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

They aren’t bad at all. Very good pacers. Both averaged low 20s in Aus.
Agreed they ain’t express, but they both have done OK start to their careers. Mir Hamza is very unlucky to miss out.
Even Amir Jamal is good. He’s been taking wickets regularly.
Naseem and Shaheen also getting back in form.

No we have a popgun attack and it’s not improving unless we find two strike bowlers capable of hitting 145k on a consistent basis through out the day , but even Indian attack is popgun without Bhumrah so it’s pretty much even.

 

[Farabi]

@Mesozoic @Nikhil_cric
I genuinely think Mir Hamza and Khurram Shahzad are good test quality pacers. Pakistan has pace fetish, in any other country, Mir Hamza who ran through Aussie top order in Boxing Day test, won’t be ignored and dropped just because they don’t bowl 140+
Not trolling. I think they are skill full. Both are table toppers in first class and bring a lot of skills to the table. Better than punting on Musa and the like because pace is pace Yaar

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Awais Anwar and Akif Javed seems to be the guys who would keep on bowling 140k+ through out the day but they are damn inaccurate to be even consider for Test Cricket.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

@Mesozoic @Nikhil_cric
I genuinely think Mir Hamza and Khurram Shahzad are good test quality pacers. Pakistan has pace fetish, in any other country, Mir Hamza who ran through Aussie top order in Boxing Day test, won’t be ignored and dropped just because they don’t bowl 140+
Not trolling. I think they are skill full. Both are table toppers in first class and bring a lot of skills to the table. Better than punting on Musa and the like because pace is pace Yaar

Yeah definitely. I know you are not trolling. I don't consider Mir Hamza a decent pacer with any potential. Khurram is still better and is a good stock bowler.

 

[Farabi]

Indian pace bowling is not as potent as before and is in transition.

Even Ishant and Shami were okish at best during 2014. Only next cycle they became great.

But to compare to a country of one season test pacers is weird. Naseem, Shaheen etc - all the great hopefuls seem finished.

Next few seasons will prolly see another few batches of new “Wasims/Waqars” while the Indian pacers will mature and give 7-8 good years before the next cycle begins.

Khurram Shahzad, Mir Hamza, Amir Jamal, Naseem and Shaheen as a pack looks decent