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Pakistan reach 17/2 at Stumps on Day 1 and trail South Africa by 245 runs in the 3rd Test

Shafi said:
Amir needs to go. He has nothing to offer as a fast bowler.
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No. Don't expect him to be the attacking spear head of a bowler that he no longer is. He has found a role and that is to keep it tight and wait for the batsman to make a mistake. In that role he has done brilliantly and taken wickets at 21 a piece.

The guys whose role is to be the strike bowler need to step up, here that's Hassan. Shaheen should have been there as well.
 
Usman Chadda said:
People worried about the run-rate would do well to have a look at South African bowlers' economy rates throughout this series.
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South african grounds and pitches favor quick run scoring. No comparison to uae though as bowlers are never out of the game. No matter the stage of the game.
 
Mamoon said:
I think it might have to do with the fact that we are 2-0 down and lost the previous Test series 2-1, that too in the UAE.
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Your cricketing acumen is severely lacking if you believed our performance would be any better. Then again, we already knew that so...
 
Mir Hamza should have been in squad a specialist test bowler
But golden boy treatments on some players won’t let it happen
 
rollingstoned said:
South african grounds and pitches favor quick run scoring. No comparison to uae though as bowlers are never out of the game. No matter the stage of the game.
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Yes. Makes for good cricket. Cricket in UAE will pull sponsors away from the game eventually.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Your cricketing acumen is severely lacking if you believed our performance would be any better. Then again, we already knew that so...
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Yes we saw your superior acumen in the Asia Cup, but I am not prepared to settle for mediocrity. Maybe you are.

So please don’t interrupt my criticism. Thanks.
 
Asif321 said:
Mir Hamza should have been in squad a specialist test bowler
But golden boy treatments on some players won’t let it happen
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Nut hamza is also slow and short so what’s the point
 
Usman Chadda said:
People worried about the run-rate would do well to have a look at South African bowlers' economy rates throughout this series.
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That was when Pak were 7 odd wickets down and SA went for wickets with ultra attacking fields.
 
rollingstoned said:
South african grounds and pitches favor quick run scoring. No comparison to uae though as bowlers are never out of the game. No matter the stage of the game.
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Also helps that SA's grounds aren't really large size like in Australia, India etc.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes we saw your superior acumen in the Asia Cup, but I am not prepared to settle for mediocrity. Maybe you are.

So please don’t interrupt my criticism. Thanks.
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Yeah and if I have to bring up the number of times you have been humiliated on this forum, we'll be here for a long time buddy.

Please take this criticism somewhere else, I suggest somewhere the sun doesn't shine. None of us here are interested in a teenager whining all day.

And you settle for mediocrity every day, what with your 'Pakistan cricket is finished' comments. Yet you here as shameless as ever. :))
 
More that pace, I am really surprised with lack of new ball skills - this is Wonderers, on Day 1 morning & 4 pacers are bowling with Kookaburra!! Elgar must be kicking himself for somehow touching one.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Hasan is clocking his normal speeds. Only Aamir is down on pace.
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Hasan was clocking high 130s and low 140s consistently in UAE. His pace should be up 3-5k on these pitches because you don't have to dig into the pitch to get bounce here. Instead it's dropped the opposite way. It's not just one bowler, it's been consistent with all of them. It's either the altitude or they've over-trained trying to acclimatize.
 
The inability of our pacers to swing the new ball is unbelievable. Even Zimbabwean trundlers get more movement in the air.

One of the biggest reasons for our decline in the fast bowling department is the death of new ball skills.

Apart from Amir (that too once in 2 years) and Asif, hardly any bowler has been able to use the new ball.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Hasan was clocking high 130s and low 140s consistently in UAE. His pace should be up 3-5k on these pitches because you don't have to dig into the pitch to get bounce here. Instead it's dropped the opposite way. It's not just one bowler, it's been consistent with all of them. It's either the altitude or they've over-trained trying to acclimatize.
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Probably the latter then. Even at newlands they were a bit slow.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Yeah, I meant for all the venues, not just this one.
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Cape Town is at sea level.

Altitude could be an issue for pace, but absolutely no reason for these gun barrel straight new ball bowling with Kookaburra at that pace. And, I am sure heart is not there - bowlers are going through the motion. Finally Captain’s yelling has got to it's toll.
 
Faheem atleast has bowled with some plan, better line length than all others. This is the level of our seamers.
 
DRsohail said:
Hos height ISVs not suitable for t at cricket and above that he is attitude. Can only be decent odi bowler at best. For me his test career should be over.
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Must say, this is the first series where I've been hearing this altitude excuse.

Fast or fast medium bowlers should relish South African conditions - look at Philander.
 
Hasan Ali's lack of height is being exposed here. South Africa look very comfortable against him on an express highway.
 
Faheem would've been a much better option in the last two tests. Bowling well on flat track.
 
Mamoon said:
The inability of our pacers to swing the new ball is unbelievable. Even Zimbabwean trundlers get more movement in the air.

One of the biggest reasons for our decline in the fast bowling department is the death of new ball skills.

Apart from Amir (that too once in 2 years) and Asif, hardly any bowler has been able to use the new ball.
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Amor is till the best bowler we have and at his best he is mediocre which sumps up everything. Hype around Abbas is also fading suddenly and I was wrong about him too.
 
Junaids was right about Hasan. People got carried away by his purple patch in 2017. An okay bowler at best, nothing special.
 
Mamoon said:
The inability of our pacers to swing the new ball is unbelievable. Even Zimbabwean trundlers get more movement in the air.

One of the biggest reasons for our decline in the fast bowling department is the death of new ball skills.

Apart from Amir (that too once in 2 years) and Asif, hardly any bowler has been able to use the new ball.
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It’s only because of UAE wickets were pacers are used to take shine off for spinners & domestic wickets which are length-line seemers paradise. Lack of new ball skill is probably the worst contribution in PAK cricket from UAE, followed by Azhar Ali mould strokeless wonders.
 
Varun said:
Must say, this is the first series where I've been hearing this altitude excuse.

Fast or fast medium bowlers should relish South African conditions - look at Philander.
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I am taking about his attitude and height not altitude.
 
Varun said:
Must say, this is the first series where I've been hearing this altitude excuse.

Fast or fast medium bowlers should relish South African conditions - look at Philander.
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I think he meant attitude not altitude
 
Mamoon said:
The inability of our pacers to swing the new ball is unbelievable. Even Zimbabwean trundlers get more movement in the air.

One of the biggest reasons for our decline in the fast bowling department is the death of new ball skills.

Apart from Amir (that too once in 2 years) and Asif, hardly any bowler has been able to use the new ball.
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its alarming that a country who have produced the king of swing and fastest bowler of all time. has not produced a quality bowler for almost a decade now
 
Mamoon said:
He is good for speeches only. He has appointed a dinosaur who is out of his depth. The only glimmer of hope is Wasim Khan, but he cannot do anything when there is no talent left in Pakistan.
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I still think Sethi has far better brain than Mani. Sethi would have sacked Inzi after the whitewash. But Mani will not do that not even after the World Cup 2019.
 
Koi wicket lai lo bhai.
Watching them play incredibly beautiful shots is boring.:shezzy2
 
hassan,s pace can be up at least 3, to 4 ks, if he some how control on his knee.
his front leg collapses at the point of delivering the ball
 
Mamoon said:
The inability of our pacers to swing the new ball is unbelievable. Even Zimbabwean trundlers get more movement in the air.

One of the biggest reasons for our decline in the fast bowling department is the death of new ball skills.

Apart from Amir (that too once in 2 years) and Asif, hardly any bowler has been able to use the new ball.
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Last match nobody was swinging the ball much - not even Steyn. Lets wait till SA pacers bowl to see if this rubbish ball swing before coming to conclusions. What SA bowlers do have is quicker bowlers who hit the deck hard to get wickets when there is no swing. This is where PAK have lacked imo.
 
This guy Markram is a match winner. If you don't get him out quick, he scores big and fast and takes the game away.
 
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