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Pakistan v Sri Lanka | 2nd Test | Karachi | 19th-23rd December, 2019 | Day 2 Thread

Naseem will improve the more he plays. Shaheen has come on leaps and bounds over the last year since debuting. We need to be patient.
 
Mamoon said:
We overhype our youngsters because of age-fudging and then we are surprised when they are not as good as we expected.
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Typical pakistani response. A couple of lose spells and people are not as good as expected? Naseem could have had 2-3 wickets, but things did not go his way. Patience is the key here, for every one.
 
IAJ said:
Typical pakistani response. A couple of lose spells and people are not as good as expected? Naseem could have had 2-3 wickets, but things did not go his way. Patience is the key here, for every one.
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Other than 1 ball to embulduniya he has been dishing up utter rubbish. HE's not even close to ready for test cricket
 
IAJ said:
Typical pakistani response. A couple of lose spells and people are not as good as expected? Naseem could have had 2-3 wickets, but things did not go his way. Patience is the key here, for every one.
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He has not been impressive so far. The only reason he is hyped is because we have lied about his age.
 
Regarding the crowd, let's wait and see what happens after Jummah.

Overall though, Karachi is busier than ever before. People are working multiple jobs to make ends meet. They don't have time for cricket. Life in the city is not easy.
 
Boi said:
Naseem will improve the more he plays. Shaheen has come on leaps and bounds over the last year since debuting. We need to be patient.
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Shaheen has been impressive since day 1. He had a blip last summer but regained his rhythm in the middle of the World Cup.

Naseem, like Hasnain, has not impressed so far. The only difference is that PCB doesn’t pretend that Hasnain is 16.
 
Mamoon said:
He has not been impressive so far. The only reason he is hyped is because we have lied about his age.
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Oh bhai, assume he is 19 and not 16, bowling consistently 140+ is still impressive.
 
Naseem’s problem isn’t a lack of control l. He’s just a little impatient trying too many things too quickly. Shaheen was the same this time last year I’m SA but now he’s learnt the importance of bowling a consistent line and building pressure to set up batsmen. Naseem will learn that too.

People calling him the next Sami are being ridiculous. Sami was a proper bottler who would lose the plot when put under pressure. Naseem, after everything he’s been through, has shown a lot of mental strength and good temperament so I don’t see him going that way.
 
IAJ said:
Oh bhai, assume he is 19 and not 16, bowling consistently 140+ is still impressive.
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It is not a speed contest. He has to learn everything else and I don’t think we have the resources to teach him.
 
Pakistan winning probability is predicated on SL first innings score

SL first inning score:
200 : Pak Win 80 edu%
225 : Pak Win 70%
250 : Pak Win 50%
275 : Pak Win 40%
300 : Pak Win 30%
325+: Pak Win below 20%
 
Most disappointing PAK player in this Test so far has to be Yasir, but he can make a come back after lunch.
 
IAJ said:
Oh bhai, assume he is 19 and not 16, bowling consistently 140+ is still impressive.
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Not so much because Him being 19 is questionable and he seems to be missing lot of other bowling skills than pace. He is an above average talent who should be learning skills before debuting because unlike Amir or shaheen at this stage he lacks a lot of bowling skills
 
Rizwan deserves credit for this wicket. He showed his tactical insight. Unfortunately it was in Pashto so people won’t pick it up.
 
Hopefully this test brings lot of positive changes in the test team, regardless of the result.

It should be time over for Azhar and Yasir Shah. Replace these two with someone who is 22-24, so that we can give them some time to settle in.

Players like Shaan, Haris and Naseem who look promising but fail to deliver need to work in the first class cricket to ensure there place in national test team.

Asad Shafiq should be given a benefit of doubt as he still has some years of cricket left in him. However he needs to he consistent, a mere 50 or 70 per series will not gonna help him.
 
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Rizwan to Shaheen before the delivery:

“Tell the leader to push the fielders back. Try to bowl short because it is a matter of one catch”

It is hard to translate word by word from Pashto to English, but the word that he used for Azhar hinted sarcasm. He was mocking his tactics.
 
SL still ahead dickwella can score really quickly and dilruwan pereera has always batted well against Pakistan
 
Damn, i went for a ciggie and i missed the wicket.
Pakistan has taken 3 wickets this morning and i have missed them all.😕
 
Mamoon said:
Rizwan to Shaheen before the delivery:

“Tell the leader to push the fielders back. Try to bowl short because it is a matter of one catch”

It is hard to translate word by word from Pashto to English, but the word that he used for Azhar hinted sarcasm. He was mocking his tactics.
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More like a dhananjya brain fade than rizwan's tactical nous
 
Rizwan used the word “mashar” for Azhar. It literally translates to “elder”, but in such context it is usually used to describe someone who assumes the role of a leader but doesn’t know what he is doing.
 
Quality of Test cricket truly is at it's worst these days - that was last over before Lunch and this pair got PAK on mat!!!!!!!

Anyway, it makes the game closer - neither team will be much ahead after first innings.
 
MMHS said:
Quality of Test cricket truly is at it's worst these days - that was last over before Lunch and this pair got PAK on mat!!!!!!!

Anyway, it makes the game closer - neither team will be much ahead after first innings.
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A good 40 mins till lunch when De Silva got out.
 
It will be interesting to see whether Pakistan can get more wickets quick and prevent any big lead.
 
MMHS said:
Quality of Test cricket truly is at it's worst these days - that was last over before Lunch and this pair got PAK on mat!!!!!!!

Anyway, it makes the game closer - neither team will be much ahead after first innings.
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Pereera can bat and averages well against Pakistan
 
Mamoon said:
Rizwan used the word “mashar” for Azhar. It literally translates to “elder”, but in such context it is usually used to describe someone who assumes the role of a leader but doesn’t know what he is doing.
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Points to a tense dressing room, I think.
 
We have some linguistic experts and context analysts on PP - didnt know.
 
Mamoon said:
Rizwan used the word “mashar” for Azhar. It literally translates to “elder”, but in such context it is usually used to describe someone who assumes the role of a leader but doesn’t know what he is doing.
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It is not the first time Rizwan has spoken pashto on the field. Even in domestic cricket, he speaks pashto behind the wicket. Could be clever move to ensure opposition doesn't understand the tactics. But not a good option to use it against own team mates.It creates arrogance and negative environment within the team. If he had better plans to dismiss the batsmen he should have approached to the captian with his plan.

P.S: Not an Azhar fan
 
Mamoon said:
Rizwan used the word “mashar” for Azhar. It literally translates to “elder”, but in such context it is usually used to describe someone who assumes the role of a leader but doesn’t know what he is doing.
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No matter how poor azhar is as a captain, for someone just coming into the team, to show such disrespect is not good.
Maybe safi needs to come back, if only to be a specialised captain
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
It is not the first time Rizwan has spoken pashto on the field. Even in domestic cricket, he speaks pashto behind the wicket. Could be clever move to ensure opposition doesn't understand the tactics. But not a good option to use it against own team mates.It creates arrogance and negative environment within the team. If he had better plans to dismiss the batsmen he should have approached to the captian with his plan.

P.S: Not an Azhar fan
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It is normal for players. Punjabi speakers speak in Punjabi to their fellow players. Shaheen, Yasir and Rizwan all grew up in or near Peshawar and they speak the same dialect.

They probably won’t talk to Afridi in Pashto because his Pashto is very different from them. I don’t think there is anything wrong with what Rizwan is doing.
 
MenInG said:
We have some linguistic experts and context analysts on PP - didnt know.
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It is doesn’t take a linguistic expert. Rizwan and I grew up in the same city in the same generation. There are certain words and terms that are only native to a particular community.

I am sorry if you don’t like Azhar being mocked, but that is exactly what Rizwan was doing.
 
Mamoon said:
It is normal for players. Punjabi speakers speak in Punjabi to their fellow players. Shaheen, Yasir and Rizwan all grew up in or near Peshawar and they speak the same dialect.

They probably won’t talk to Afridi in Pashto because his Pashto is very different from them. I don’t think there is anything wrong with what Rizwan is doing.
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In a group, if two people start talking in their native language which not understood by the others it is always considered to be the disrespectful. Regardless of the conversation they may be having.
 
Captain caveman said:
No matter how poor azhar is as a captain, for someone just coming into the team, to show such disrespect is not good.
Maybe safi needs to come back, if only to be a specialised captain
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Effect will be same - cricket is a game where Captain leads from the front. Not sure if I bother if it's Sir Henderson is Captain or VVD or Mo or Mane at Anfield - what it matters is Herr Klopp on wheels. NOT in cricket - here performing Captain matters.
 
Captain caveman said:
No matter how poor azhar is as a captain, for someone just coming into the team, to show such disrespect is not good.
Maybe safi needs to come back, if only to be a specialised captain
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It is unavoidable. Most players probably say worse things behind closed doors. Rizwan won’t mock Azhar in Urdu in front of someone like Shafiq or Masood.
 
Mamoon said:
It is doesn’t take a linguistic expert. Rizwan and I grew up in the same city in the same generation. There are certain words and terms that are only native to a particular community.

I am sorry if you don’t like Azhar being mocked, but that is exactly what Rizwan was doing.
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Way you describe it- it can be respectful as well. It is like Indian players calling Ganguly by dada.
That context thing can just be your imagination too.
 
How can Azhar demand any respect or authority with the way he performs?
 
Azhar's insistence on having only 2 slips even for your best bowler against a new batsman has cost us a wicket. Not the first time it's happened.
 
With Shaheen bowling that length, I think better value is Azhar taking the mid-off out and put him at 3rd man - let them drive on the rise here.
 
BaankeJi said:
Way you describe it- it can be respectful as well. It is like Indian players calling Ganguly by dada.
That context thing can just be your imagination too.
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Dada doesn’t translate to the word Rizwan used, which is almost never used in a respectful way in such context. Besides, his tone was not respectful either.

Anyway, people can interpret it anyway they want. I did my job.
 
Yasir is done. It's terminal decline. The problem is that we have trouble accepting reality because we live on the fake quote of "form is temporary, class is permanent".

For someone we have sympathy for, we will go lengths to proving how good he is despite evidence clearly pointing to the contrary (cases of Yasir and Amir). And it works the opposite for those we hate, like in the case of Imam, who clearly is someone who can be worked with and groomed as a good Pakistani opener. But the hate is so much for him that despite him being the man of the series in ODIs in SA, we will find ways to slate him.

Until and unless we start treating players on their current ability and see reality, we will be stuck with players like Yasir and Azhar who are clearly on their last legs.
 
Chandimal was hailed as the heir to Sangakkara and Jayawardene, but he never fulfilled his potential. However, he shows glimpses of his ability every now and then.

His match-winning hundred against India in 2015 is among the top 5 Test innings by a Sri Lankan.
 
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