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Pakistan v West Indies | 2nd Test | Abu Dhabi | Oct 21-25, 2016 | Day 3

Big Mac said:
You're saying he's deteriorated since Edgbaston, where he left the ball against seamers for the first half of his innings.

Here he's facing mostly spinners who keep attacking the stumps, of course he's not going to look the same.

He looks fine, stop with the knee jerk reactions.
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I hope your right.
 
The more Waqar commentates, the more it becomes clear that Misbah was the architect behind the rise up the test rankings.

Fazeer putting him in his place with regards to the run rate. We did this to Australia, we did this to England. While PPers were crying about not enforcing the follow on, threads being created about the cowardly mindset, we kept them in the sun and ground them into dust, breaking them physically and mentally' :misbah
 
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Waqar not liking this strategy when it was a similar strategy that was used under his tenure as coach. So was he telling Misbah to enforce the follow on at times but Misbah didn't listen to him?
 
Where was this so-called aggressive approach that Waqar is demanding on commentary now during his coaching tenures ?
 
Hasan123 said:
Waqar not liking this strategy when it was a similar strategy that was used under his tenure as coach. So was he telling Misbah to enforce the follow on at times but Misbah didn't listen to him?
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Waqar didn't understand the bowling changes and field settings in the previous game, he doesn't have a clue. Listen to Fazeer having to explain to him why this is good strategy.
 
Big Mac said:
Waqar didn't understand the bowling changes and field settings in the previous game, he doesn't have a clue. Listen to Fazeer having to explain to him why this is good strategy.
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Exactly he is demanding aggression now when he was coach why wasn't he demanding this agression? Seems as though he let Misbah make his own decisions for the most part.
 
Waqar talking about Australian aggressiveness, where was that aggression when they came to the UAE and batted at 2.70 RPO for the entire series?
 
Hasan123 said:
Exactly he is demanding aggression now when he was coach why wasn't he demanding this agression? Seems as though he let Misbah make his own decisions for the most part.
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If his coaching was anything like his analysis, we can all be thankful for that
 
Big Mac said:
Waqar talking about Australian aggressiveness, where was that aggression when they came to the UAE and batted at 2.70 RPO for the entire series?
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"Aggressive Australia" came to UAE and lost miserably.

Our brand of attritional cricket in UAE may not be riveting but we've got to #1 in the world with it, and are unbeaten in UAE too.

Waqar was coach for the majority of this period, so I don't understand this outburst. We're totally in control of this match and will have plenty of time to bowl WI out. Its not Azhar and Aslam's natural style to blast the leather off the ball.
 
Someone probably took a screencap of that but in case anyone missed it there was a graphic showing Pakistan's record in the six years before Misbah's captaincy and the record during his captaincy.

During Misbah: W/L ratio 1.64
Before Misbah: W/L ratio 0.57

Drawn fewer games as well.
 
Man, the more I listen to Waqar, the more relieved I am he isn't the coach anymore.
 
Big Mac said:
If his coaching was anything like his analysis, we can all be thankful for that
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True. Even when Misbah leaves Mickey bhai is a professional coach who won't be as poor tactically as Waqar is coming across
 
Waqas sounds angry with Paks approach.

I see nothing wrong with it, what's the issue ??

This is the way to go - Totally grind and throw WI completely out of the match.
 
Fazeer winning this debate hands down.

Doesn't help Waqar's case that we played in EXACTLY the same way while he was coach.
 
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Fazeer Mohammad and Waqar Younis having a some what heated debate/discussion on commentary regarding Pakistan's approach.

Waqar saying Pakistan should look to assert them selves and play a more aggressive & entertaining brand of Test cricket.

Fazeer Mohammad saying that at the end of the day Misbah and the team will be judged by results & those have been very good in recent times, so why try getting adventurous and in the process possibly losing matches.

I think both commentators making some valid points & yes it would be great to see Pakistan play more aggressively. However, Fazeer once again showing how much knowledge he has about the game and talking about how if Misbah is winning matches the only people who will look to bash him is if they have some sort of regional bias, or other agenda against Misbah.

Interesting discussion tonlisten to as it's one that take place amongst a lot of cricket fans.
 
I've always maintained the opinion that Waqar was a massive cog in our rise in test cricket. However, his commentary is confusing, this is what we'd be doing under his tenure as well, grind to a big score and choke the other team out. What is he on about, "aggressive" Australia got mauled when they toured. Very poor.
 
Markhor said:
"Aggressive Australia" came to UAE and lost miserably.

Our brand of attritional cricket in UAE may not be riveting but we've got to #1 in the world with it, and are unbeaten in UAE too.

Waqar was coach for the majority of this period, so I don't understand this outburst. We're totally in control of this match and will have plenty of time to bowl WI out. Its not Azhar and Aslam's natural style to blast the leather off the ball.
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That is an evolution of any team. Infact Misbah said it himself in a post match ceremony many years ago when Pak were being criticised on style of play that first we have to build a winning team and then we can focus on philosophy and an attractive brand of cricket.

First you try to build a solid side which doesn't lose.

Then you try to get a handle on getting the wins

After that you work on the style of play and try to stamp your authority and dominate. As a side flirting with number one position we need a killer instinct and you can only develop it in series such as this. If we had the killer instinct we would have won quite a few series (including England tour) in recent times.
 
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Sami did well to get fifty considering he's rapidly deteriorating to tailender status. :srt

Rinnegan Sasuke said:
I've always maintained the opinion that Waqar was a massive cog in our rise in test cricket. However, his commentary is confusing, this is what we'd be doing under his tenure as well, grind to a big score and choke the other team out. What is he on about, "aggressive" Australia got mauled when they toured. Very poor.
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Did you hear his commentary during the first test? Had no idea why Misbah was using a "defensive" field instead of being "aggressive" and packing the slip cordon.

It really feels like Misbah told Waqar to sit in the corner and let him handle the test team by himself :))
 
How on earth can you give that out? Where was the conclusive evidence? Seemed like the noise came from feet grazing on the ground.
 
Rinnegan Sasuke said:
I've always maintained the opinion that Waqar was a massive cog in our rise in test cricket. However, his commentary is confusing, this is what we'd be doing under his tenure as well, grind to a big score and choke the other team out. What is he on about, "aggressive" Australia got mauled when they toured. Very poor.
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Any team needs to make some changes and go through evolution to maintain a winning culture.

No point resting on our Laurels and stagnating as a side

If there's any series to show more balls and really go for the jugular then it is this on. Won't get a better chance
 
You can put a system which is 100% accurate in the hands of people who are incapable of using it & they will make you think the system is flawed.

There's absolutely nothing there to suggest that there was a definite edge by Sami Aslam to over turn that decision, yet, the 3rd umpire simply giving it out because the West Indians seem convinced that it hit the bat.

It's umpires like this who give the DRS system a bad name and make people doubt it.

Disappointing to see.
 
Big Mac said:
Sami did well to get fifty considering he's rapidly deteriorating to tailender status. :srt



Did you hear his commentary during the first test? Had no idea why Misbah was using a "defensive" field instead of being "aggressive" and packing the slip cordon.

It really feels like Misbah told Waqar to sit in the corner and let him handle the test team by himself :))
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Too bad Misbah couldn't win a single series for more than TWO whole years when Waqar was out. Infact he even failed to beat Zimbabwe :))

Waqar came back and we started winning again.

Maybe seeing Waqars face around the dressing room magically reminds Misbah of match winning tactics?
 
Slog said:
Any team needs to make some changes and go through evolution to maintain a winning culture.

No point resting on our Laurels and stagnating as a side

If there's any series to show more balls and really go for the jugular then it is this on. Won't get a better chance
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There's nothing more dominating than killing the morale of any team on the field and making them feel useless, which is what we've done on these UAE wickets. Again, Australia showed this so-called "aggression" and got decimated. We went to england and played a more enjoyable brand because the conditions allowed for it. This is how you play here.
 
Rinnegan Sasuke said:
There's nothing more dominating than killing the morale of any team on the field and making them feel useless, which is what we've done on these UAE wickets. Again, Australia showed this so-called "aggression" and got decimated. We went to england and played a more enjoyable brand because the conditions allowed for it. This is how you play here.
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Australia didn't lose because of their aggressive style

They lost because their players are clueless about the conditions and are not equipped for it.

MCCULLUMS NZ also played an aggressive brand of cricket (much more than Aus btw) and drew us in UE
 
Slog said:
Australia didn't lose because of their aggressive style

They lost because their players are clueless about the conditions and are not equipped for it.

MCCULLUMS NZ also played an aggressive brand of cricket (much more than Aus btw) and drew us in UE
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They got a draw because they won a farcical test that should never have continued after the death of Phil Hughes.
 
Slog said:
Australia didn't lose because of their aggressive style

They lost because their players are clueless about the conditions and are not equipped for it.

MCCULLUMS NZ also played an aggressive brand of cricket (much more than Aus btw) and drew us in UE
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Yeah, they drew, which means our style was equally effective. If it isn't broke, don't fix it.
 
Big Mac said:
They got a draw because they won a farcical test that should never have continued after the death of Phil Hughes.
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Well that's sour grapes if anything

So Pakistan players were more effected than NZ ones who actually knew Hughes?
 
This is a good spell from Gabriel, testing Azhar with that off stump line and bowling at a decent pace.
 
Seeing the good and bad of Gabriel here. Bowls some jaffas then can be erratic and bowl a complete loosener.

And that's stumps. Pakistan's day again.
 
Slog said:
Well that's sour grapes if anything

So Pakistan players were more effected than NZ ones who actually knew Hughes?
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No, neither team gave a damn. Neither team bowled with any effort, nobody celebrated, people just swung the bat without a care as to the result.

The whole thing was a cruel joke to anyone who watched.
 
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