Pakistan vs India | Asia Cup | Karachi | 02/07/2008 | Pakistan Innings

[NeVerMind]

The irony is that everyone was expecting that Afridi's batting will determine if he has a future with Pakistan but now it seems likely with Nasir doing so well as well all the other batsmen, he will be dropped from the side to accomodate Malik.

 

[ehjaz]

never write 'em off

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=58894

 

[DOOSRA95]

Congrats Pakistan on a good win......

 

[OZGOD]

Caned!

 

[Plasma]

Congratulations to team Pakistan. We may or we may not get to the final, but this win was badly needed.

 

[NeVerMind]

I am very happy too. And very proud. Alhamdulillah!

About Aridi though, I feel he deserves a place. I would get rid of Yousaf before Afridi. Afridi is very useful.

As Younis has proved, after all those crying for him to be removed from the ODI side is that pure class will come up trumps. Moyo is pure class too just going through a bit of a dip. He will be back with a vengeance. You do not drop players with class. A big no no.

 

[Momo]

It's a happy day. What a victory. What no-nonsense style of playing. No fuss, just went there and did a job. The biggest successfully chased total at National Stadium.

Younis Khan and Misbah, Butt, Yousuf and Jimmy played superbly. And they did it because they never gave Indians respect from word go.

CONGRATULATIONS!

iZeeshan, I guess now we can postpone our croquet and tea-sipping related activities for a later time. What say you? And of course sheikhys and lollol!

 

[Indiafan]

^^ I suspect Malik's absence had to do with getting rid of some negative play

 

[Mohsin]

Also great to see us taking a leaf out of the Indian chasing book

 

[iafzal]

Only points carry forward and not the RR. so it helps Pak here.

If SL wins by a few runs and Pak wins by a difference of 50 runs we are in per my calculation.

 

[Sparhawk]

NRR:

India +0.144
Pakistan -0.372

That's for the super four stage, it only includes 2 matches played by pak and india. If the round 1 run rate is also included then we are out, otherwise we might have a chance.

 

[Momo]

As Younis has proved, after all those crying for him to be removed from the ODI side is that pure class will come up trumps. Moyo is pure class too just going through a bit of a dip. He will be back with a vengeance. You do not drop players with class. A big no no.

Today Yousaf played very well. Sure he didnt get a big score but he didnt waste any deliveries and showed urgency and that is important. If a team has seven batsmen and they play properly, they should rarely be required to bat till the end (the first few ought to finish the job).

 

[Sparhawk]

Only points carry forward and not the RR. so it helps Pak here

Thats great, we are still in the hunt.

 

[lollol]

Dhoni looks disappointed

 

[Momo]

As Younis has proved, after all those crying for him to be removed from the ODI side is that pure class will come up trumps. Moyo is pure class too just going through a bit of a dip. He will be back with a vengeance. You do not drop players with class. A big no no.

People who are crying to get rid of Younis dont know what they are talking about. He is the only batsman who consistently tries to inject urgency into the chase (unfortunately he seldom bets any support from others except Misbah).

 

[NeVerMind]

And don't forget the Rao, he provided the inital fire..and I guess he will not need to take a croquet club against some of the PPers here.

 

[Inswinger]

Rameez - "India the losers ....................

 

[NeVerMind]

People who are crying to get rid of Younis dont know what they are talking about. He is the only batsman who consistently tries to inject urgency into the chase (unfortunately he seldom bets any support from others except Misbah).

And i love the way he just smiles whatever the sitation. What a guy!

 

[Momo]

Congratulations to team Pakistan. We may or we may not get to the final, but this win was badly needed.

Yes. And the fact that it wasnt just a win. It was a humiliating defeat that was handed to the Indian team (just as they had beaten us the other day). So a tight finish today wouldnt have been enough. As it is, we are satisfied and though we wont reah the final (runrate thing is too tilted against us), it feels good to lose one and win one against India.

 

[lollol]

And don't forget the Rao, he provided the inital fire..and I guess he will not need to take a croquet club against some of the PPers here.

Agree, he played very well this game

But he needs more of these kind of performances to back his previous ones up! A one-time performance doesnt make u a world-beater..

 

[NeVerMind]

Misbah answereing the questions so well in English. Makes a nice change.

 

[Zaad]

so are we out of the asia cup?

 

[Momo]

And don't forget the Rao, he provided the inital fire..and I guess he will not need to take a croquet club against some of the PPers here.

Hahaha. Yes Rao wont need to do that. He bowled beautifully today.
The Croquet Club has been temporarily suspended and we will notify all PPers when we reopn it.

 

[NeVerMind]

Hahaha. Yes Rao wont need to do that. He bowled beautifully today.
The Croquet Club has been temporarily suspended and we will notify all PPers when we reopn it.

Cometh the hour, cometh the Rao!

 

[Pak_mystery]

This chase would be remmemberd for a very long time!

 

[Manish26]

Yes. And the fact that it wasnt just a win. It was a humiliating defeat that was handed to the Indian team (just as they had beaten us the other day). So a tight finish today wouldnt have been enough. As it is, we are satisfied and though we wont reah the final (runrate thing is too tilted against us), it feels good to lose one and win one against India.

There is no humiliation with 7 out of 11 players not even having played 50 ODI games.There are bound to be glitches but our bowling once again lack the penetration to curtail any player at all.Lanka by far has been the best unit in this series

 

[lollol]

At least this game makes the play of tomorrow important!!

 

[Momo]

He did also mention that if srilanka beat india marginally. But from what i can see even if we beat bang by 100 runs, and srilanka beat india by 100 runs we won't make the finals.

I'm assuming the run rate was carried forward from the first round.

If both these things happen, I wont be surprised to see Pakistan go through. But come on, Sri Lanka cant beat India by a 100 runs especially when India know not to lose that badly (even though one can assume that Pakistan may beat Bangladesh by such a margin - which is again debatable). So for all practical purpsoes, its over.

But what a victory!

 

[Momo]

Cometh the hour, cometh the Rao!

)
Yes, Rao, that new spinner kid (and also the fast bloke), captain and the smiling assassin have really done us proud today!

 

[Dhonifan]

well done Pakistan, congrats and all that

 

[iafzal]

If both these things happen, I wont be surprised to see Pakistan go through. But come on, Sri Lanka cant beat India by a 100 runs especially when India know not to lose that badly (even though one can assume that Pakistan may beat Bangladesh by such a margin - which is again debatable). So for all practical purpsoes, its over.

But what a victory!

I am not sure SL needs to win by a huge margin. Main thing is SL wins.

If Pak wins by 50+ runs we should be in per looking at the what is on cricinfo

Team Mat Won Lost Tied N/R Pts Net RR For Against
Sri Lanka 2 2 0 0 0 6 +2.220 634/100.0 412/100.0
India 2 1 1 0 0 4 +0.144 592/93.2 592/95.3
Pakistan 2 1 1 0 0 2 -0.372 547/95.3 610/100.0
Bangladesh 2 0 2 0 0 0 -2.030 457/100.0 616/93.2

 

[FM87]

g'night friends.

 

[Momo]

There is no humiliation with 7 out of 11 players not even having played 50 ODI games.There are bound to be glitches but our bowling once again lack the penetration to curtail any player at all.Lanka by far has been the best unit in this series

Agreed. Lanka has been the best side because of its bowling no doubt. Pakistan and India lack in tat department. While Sri Lankan batting may not be as great as Indian, in Karachi you dont need special batsmen to score runs. What you do need are leecher type bowlers who dont give you any pace. Sri Lanka have those.

As for humiliating defeats, I believe both India and Pakistan have suffered humiliation at the hands of each other (irrespective of how many new players they were playing). These are national sides, not club sides who can present an escuse of a star player missing. They were the best players representing their countries and for targets of 300+ to be chased down so easily is humiliating.

However ICC should do somthing about the balance between bat or ball otherwise in future nobody will be willing to become a bowler.

 

[Momo]

I am not sure SL needs to win by a huge margin. Main thing is SL wins.

If Pak wins by 50+ runs we should be in per looking at the what is on cricinfo

Team Mat Won Lost Tied N/R Pts Net RR For Against
Sri Lanka 2 2 0 0 0 6 +2.220 634/100.0 412/100.0
India 2 1 1 0 0 4 +0.144 592/93.2 592/95.3
Pakistan 2 1 1 0 0 2 -0.372 547/95.3 610/100.0
Bangladesh 2 0 2 0 0 0 -2.030 457/100.0 616/93.2

lollol has posted an updated table above (#907)

 

[Momo]

The great thing though is that we play Bangladesh last, when all katti-katta would have come out and we will know what to do (either setting a target of chasing) to go through. I fear though that that would not be a realistic target! Well lets cross that bridge when we reach that. First lets see if Sri Lanka wins or not!

 

[Inswinger]

Now its time to cheer for Sri Lanka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hash]

Tomorrow from 4pm Pakistan Summer Time I will be a Sri Lankan.

 

[Manish26]

Agreed. Lanka has been the best side because of its bowling no doubt. Pakistan and India lack in tat department. While Sri Lankan batting may not be as great as Indian, in Karachi you dont need special batsmen to score runs. What you do need are leecher type bowlers who dont give you any pace. Sri Lanka have those.

As for humiliating defeats, I believe both India and Pakistan have suffered humiliation at the hands of each other (irrespective of how many new players they were playing). These are national sides, not club sides who can present an escuse of a star player missing. They were the best players representing their countries and for targets of 300+ to be chased down so easily is humiliating.

However ICC should do somthing about the balance between bat or ball otherwise in future nobody will be willing to become a bowler.

I have been criticizing the Indian Bowlers for their inability to bowl on flat tracks since the Kitply cup.This was an art mastered by Srinath and Prasad when you start comparing their averages at home as opposed to away.Even in this game the bowlers led us down as opposed to the batsmen.

 

[Plasma]

Tomorrow from 4pm Pakistan Summer Time I will be a Sri Lankan.

That makes two of us.

 

[inzidabest]

If SL beat India by 1 run or chase in 50 overs. Pak has to beat bangladesh by 159 runs, this gets reduced as the margin of SL beating India increases

 

[Momo]

I have been criticizing the Indian Bowlers for their inability to bowl on flat tracks since the Kitply cup.This was an art mastered by Srinath and Prasad when you start comparing their averages at home as opposed to away.Even in this game the bowlers led us down as opposed to the batsmen.

Even Pakistanis now dont know how to bowl on pattas. Imran, Wasim, Waqar knew the art and hence they had great records at home. I feel Kumble is the supreme example of a bowler who knows how to bowl well on pattas (I dont consider him a spinner so it ought to be difficult for him too). What Kumble does beautifully is that one, he doesnt give much room, and two, he changes his length and speed so effectively that even if its the same line (and the ball comes in slightly most of the time) he still get's batsmen out. It's a pity he is not considered for ODIs.

 

[Mohsin]

That makes two of us.

That makes 3 of us!

 

[Momo]

If SL beat India by 1 run or chase in 50 overs. Pak has to beat bangladesh by 159 runs, this gets reduced as the margin of SL beating India increases

You sure this is the situation? A tough ask!

 

[Hash]

this pairing reminds me of aamir sohail and saeed anwar

actually.....the opening partnership today brought back some good memories. Let's hope these two can seal that slot as their ownl.

 

[Manish26]

Even Pakistanis now dont know how to bowl on pattas. Imran, Wasim, Waqar knew the art and hence they had great records at home. I feel Kumble is the supreme example of a bowler who knows how to bowl well on pattas (I dont consider him a spinner so it ought to be difficult for him too). What Kumble does beautifully is that one, he doesnt give much room, and two, he changes his length and speed so effectively that even if its the same line (and the ball comes in slightly most of the time) he still get's batsmen out. It's a pity he is not considered for ODIs.[/QUOTE]
I dont think it is a pity but a meer fact that he is 38 and we need to look for other options otherwise if we continue playing him and all of a sudden he decides to retire will put all of us into a fix.However u cannot compare legends like Imran and wasim who could take wickets anywhere but observing the stats or economy rate of our current bowlers to that of srinath and prasad was appaling

 

[Manish26]

Lol i just realized that Kumble has retired from the ODIs alltogether and chawla is not even a shadow of the great master.