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[PICTURE] Fact check: Moqa Moqa is nothing but a smokescreen by Indians to hide their embarrassing record against Pakistan

Pakistan is a mediocre team with only 3 icc titles. We should not be comparing ourselves with Pakistan as we have 7 icc titles
 
The Bald Eagle said:
World cups won by India by these 8-0, only one
Same for Pakistan after losing 8 clashes ......no surprise also ONE 🫢 😂😁
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But this discussion is ONLY about Ind vs Pak matches and what the achievements in those contests mean.

So far if I understood you correctly you are saying each of those 8 WC ODI matches which India won are worth less than Kitply cup Final which Pak won? Yes/No
 
uppercut said:
But this discussion is ONLY about Ind vs Pak matches and what the achievements in those contests mean.

So far if I understood you correctly you are saying each of those 8 WC ODI matches which India won are worth less than Kitply cup Final which Pak won? Yes/No
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Only 2011 WC could be important, otherwise where did they hurt Pakistan or achieve something big by beating Pakistan?
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Only 2011 WC could be important, otherwise where did they hurt Pakistan or achieve something big by beating Pakistan?
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Okay World Cups are not important because it did not get India 8 cups but you think that some random sharjah cups, kitply cups and useless Bi-laterals played 3 decades ago via which Pakistan created the 73-58 record gave 10 WC trophies to Pakistan? Those wins were even more useless than India's 8 WC wins. At least India's WC wins got them to 6 Semifinal appearances, 2 final appearances and a title, what did those meaningless 73 wins get Pakistan other than some random trophies which even Pakistan fans can't remember? Surely not your only WC title as you did not beat India in that.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Three are obvious

CT 2004, 2009, 2017

And T20 WC 2021 is debatable, I believe 152/0 ended India's journey instantly but you could argue it didn't. It actually gave them a stunner from which they couldn't recover
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How did Pakistan end India's journey in 2009?

It was India's match vs Australia that got washed out that knocked India out.

India was in group A with Pakistan WI and AUS. India's first match was with pakistan. So how did losing one match knockout India?

It doesn't matter what I or You think. Fact is that India had 4 more matches after that match. If India has defeated NZ India was in the knockouts.

Where did you copy paste this from?
 
giri26 said:
Okay World Cups are not important because it did not get India 8 cups but you think that some random sharjah cups, kitply cups and useless Bi-laterals played 3 decades ago via which Pakistan created the 73-58 record gave 10 WC trophies to Pakistan? Those wins were even more useless than India's 8 WC wins. At least India's WC wins got them to 6 Semifinal appearances, 2 final appearances and a title, what did those meaningless 73 wins get Pakistan other than some random trophies which even Pakistan fans can't remember? Surely not your only WC title as you did not beat India in that.
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thats a good point but there is an even bigger logical flaw when he counts everything except the 2011 S/F as inconsequential wins against Pak because we didnt go on to lift the trophy lol.

It is that we have to wait till the WC final is over or India exits before the final to determine if the group stage or knockout matches vs Pak were consequential or not .... So essentially nothing happened to Pakistani fans soon after the 2003 Phainta ended .... they waited till the finals and then heaved a sigh of relief and declared that the match which ended more than a week earlier was inconsequential after all . Talk about clutching at absolutely flimsy straws to save face. :ROFLMAO:​

@The Bald Eagle
 
mb3407 said:
Pakistan is a mediocre team with only 3 icc titles. We should not be comparing ourselves with Pakistan as we have 7 icc titles
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Yeah, India should be compared to Australia instead. But by your logic, considering the difference in trophies between the two countries, even India would seem like a mediocre team.
 
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Yeah, India should be compared to Australia instead. But by your logic, considering the difference in trophies between the two countries, even India would seem like a mediocre team.
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The better logic is that of all the games Pakistan have won against India in ODIs only two of them are meaningful. 2017 champions trophy finals and 2004 CT game. The rest of the 71 games are just meaningless bi-laterals and kitply/sharjah trophies. Now with Pakistan fans claiming India's WC wins over Pakistan haven't given them 8 Trophies, what trophies have 71 wins given to Pakistan? Kitply cups and Pepsi cups? Do we even care or remember them? Most of them happened like 2-3 decades ago. It is like WI saying that they beat India 5-0 in a ODI series in 1983. Yeah significant at that time but has no relevance now considering the gap between the teams. That's the same relevance Pakistan's 73-58 record has now between them and India.
 
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Yeah, India should be compared to Australia instead. But by your logic, considering the difference in trophies between the two countries, even India would seem like a mediocre team.
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Is the thread about Australia? If there is one such thread I will discuss it there.
 
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mb3407 said:
Is the thread about Australia? If there is one such thread I will discuss it there.
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Yes, this thread isn't about Australia, but I used it as an example to challenge the logic you applied in calling Pakistan a mediocre team. Did your own reasoning backfire on you?
 
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No it didn't. Australia(10) has been clearly the best followed by India(7) and then West Indies(5). These three have been top 3 in icc tournaments. Rest all have been mediocre with half or less trophies which is a big gap.
 
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The Bald Eagle said:
Three are obvious

CT 2004, 2009, 2017

And T20 WC 2021 is debatable, I believe 152/0 ended India's journey instantly but you could argue it didn't. It actually gave them a stunner from which they couldn't recover
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It's a fluke win just like the champions trophy 2017 final, if pakistan is a good team they would have shown some consistency, winless against India for 8 years in odis.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Three are obvious

CT 2004, 2009, 2017

And T20 WC 2021 is debatable, I believe 152/0 ended India's journey instantly but you could argue it didn't. It actually gave them a stunner from which they couldn't recover
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India would have started strugging against Pakistan if that were the case. Instead, the opposite has been happening since.
 
mb3407 said:
No it didn't. Australia(10) has been clearly the best followed by India(7) and then West Indies(5). These three have been top 3 in icc tournaments. Rest all have been mediocre with half or less trophies which is a big gap.
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The gap between West Indies and Australia in terms of trophies is even larger than the gap between India and Pakistan. So by your logic, does that make West Indies a mediocre team too? If this sounds odd to you, maybe it's time to revisit your original post and rethink your reasoning. And what about South Africa are they mediocre as well?
 
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Hitman said:
India would have started strugging against Pakistan if that were the case. Instead, the opposite has been happening since.
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Classic case of projecting one's own insecurities onto others. :inti


Its been 2 years and Pakistan are yet to recover from the 356 vs 128 game. Meanwhile India beat Pakistan in the very next game after the 152/0 match.
 
Pakistanis in general love living in the past instead of accepting the current reality and working on the betterment, that’s the main reason their nation is down in the doldrums as a whole and it shows with their cricket team as well.

This whole thread even though started as a banter/to troll is a perfect example of why Pakistan is nearing the bottom of the 200+ nations out there.
 
They did struggle in LOI until 2023...and missed to make it to Asia cup final after a great while.
Hitman said:
India would have started strugging against Pakistan if that were the case. Instead, the opposite has been happening since.
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Hellion said:
And what great things did Pakistan ultimately do despite that superior Head 2 Head ?
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Nothing but 9 trophies out of 10 finals and may be multiple series trophy too but yep WC matches are the most important sirr 😐
 
Hellion said:
Yes sir. Coca Cola , Kitply, Cool &Cool , Bank Alfalah and Maska Chaska cups are more important than ICC tournaments. :yk
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Good one, but how many ICC tournaments win at expense of Pakistan 🤔. I mean direct result of crushing your arch rivals...
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Good one, but how many ICC tournaments win at expense of Pakistan 🤔. I mean direct result of crushing your arch rivals...
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Why is it only that it should come at the expense of arch rivals?

You can only beat arch rivals when they make KO's in the first place.

Only 1 World Cup semifinal in this millenium :inti
 
Hellion said:
Why is it only that it should come at the expense of arch rivals?

You can only beat arch rivals when they make KO's in the first place.

Only 1 World Cup semifinal in this millenium :inti
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Aren't you missing 2 other ICC finals, 1 in which India collided and get doomed 😢 and on the other occasion flopped in SF to avoid fans of another Pak Ind final...but yep all PCT's fault 👍
 
Hellion said:
Yes sir. Coca Cola , Kitply, Cool &Cool , Bank Alfalah and Maska Chaska cups are more important than ICC tournaments. :yk
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Brother they do have anything to defend these days so they bring all the wierd things, in any major sports World cups are the pinnacle, where pakistan has 0 wins but for pakistan fans bilateral series is bigger than World cups.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Good one, but how many ICC tournaments win at expense of Pakistan 🤔. I mean direct result of crushing your arch rivals...
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Sorry brother our arch rivals only reached semifinal once in the last 25 years in the world cup, in that only clash we defeated our arch rivals, so it's not our fault they are going from bad to worse.
 
sugumarrising said:
Sorry brother our arch rivals only reached semifinal once in the last 25 years in the world cup, in that only clash we defeated our arch rivals, so it's not our fault they are going from bad to worse.
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Brother please answer post 507 too.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Aren't you missing 2 other ICC finals, 1 in which India collided and get doomed 😢 and on the other occasion flopped in SF to avoid fans of another Pak Ind final...but yep all PCT's fault 👍
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You can make all mental gymnastic threads you want but at the end of the day , we have won more ICC trophies than you have.

Sach karwa hota hai :inti
 
Hellion said:
You can make all mental gymnastic threads you want but at the end of the day , we have won more ICC trophies than you have.

Sach karwa hota hai :inti
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Ok enjoy yourself, and South Africa and New Zealand are way inferior to Pakistan by this logic...have a nice day
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Brother please answer post 507 too.
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Why should we avoid pakistan post 2015 pakistan clashes hasn't been a thriller as before, so after 2015 every pakistan clash whether it is a round robin or knockout it's a easy match only for us, Australia & New Zealand have been a problem for us in icc events honestly.
 
sugumarrising said:
Why should we avoid pakistan post 2015 pakistan clashes hasn't been a thriller as before, so after 2015 every pakistan clash whether it is a round robin or knockout it's a easy match only for us, Australia & New Zealand have been a problem for us in icc events honestly.
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Brother you clearly either misunderstood my question or deliberately digressed
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Ok enjoy yourself, and South Africa and New Zealand are way inferior to Pakistan by this logic...have a nice day
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How does, What long ago retired players did, matter today to you?

Those who continue to live in the past will never have a future! - Beem Weeks

People who live in the past generally are afraid to compete in the present - Sparky Anderson

Losers live in the past. Winners learn from the past and enjoy working in the present toward the future. Denis Waitely

To live in the past is to die in the present - Bill Belichick

Those who live in the past are cowards and losers - Mike Ditka

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Sachin fan said:
How does, What long ago retired players did, matter today to you?

Those who continue to live in the past will never have a future! - Beem Weeks

People who live in the past generally are afraid to compete in the present - Sparky Anderson

Losers live in the past. Winners learn from the past and enjoy working in the present toward the future. Denis Waitely

To live in the past is to die in the present - Bill Belichick

Those who live in the past are cowards and losers - Mike Ditka

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My friend replicate this message in Nagpur Quran desecration or Aurangzeb thread
 
uppercut said:
thats a good point but there is an even bigger logical flaw when he counts everything except the 2011 S/F as inconsequential wins against Pak because we didnt go on to lift the trophy lol.

It is that we have to wait till the WC final is over or India exits before the final to determine if the group stage or knockout matches vs Pak were consequential or not .... So essentially nothing happened to Pakistani fans soon after the 2003 Phainta ended .... they waited till the finals and then heaved a sigh of relief and declared that the match which ended more than a week earlier was inconsequential after all . Talk about clutching at absolutely flimsy straws to save face. :ROFLMAO:​

@The Bald Eagle
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@The Bald Eagle ... no response 👆 ?
 
uppercut said:
thats a good point but there is an even bigger logical flaw when he counts everything except the 2011 S/F as inconsequential wins against Pak because we didnt go on to lift the trophy lol.

It is that we have to wait till the WC final is over or India exits before the final to determine if the group stage or knockout matches vs Pak were consequential or not .... So essentially nothing happened to Pakistani fans soon after the 2003 Phainta ended .... they waited till the finals and then heaved a sigh of relief and declared that the match which ended more than a week earlier was inconsequential after all . Talk about clutching at absolutely flimsy straws to save face. :ROFLMAO:​

@The Bald Eagle
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Yes those wins were just like normal wins, nothing extraordinary until it yields extra ordinary results.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Yes those wins were just like normal wins, nothing extraordinary until it yields extra ordinary results.
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Yeah poor Akram gets harrassed for no reason many decades later that too for missing the 1996 Q/F, Shoaib gets trolled for "Mujse bowling nahi ho rahi" and ofcourse the many unnecessary TVs that were broken by fans soon after those 7 matches and issuing threats to players ... for no good reason because pretty soon India would Exit .... if only they had waited. :ROFLMAO:

BTW why was everyone celebrating like crazy after the 2021 T20 WC win? Kufr toot gayi , Calling it a religious victory and giving it religious angle ?

Whats the next excuse to down play those losses across 3 decades to save face? Hilarious
 
Bigger question is should Pakistan bowlers be allowed to chuck so that they could compete again vs India?
 
kron said:
Bigger question is should Pakistan bowlers be allowed to chuck so that they could compete again vs India?
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The last one who chucked wasn’t able to make much of a difference. It’s when the Sri Lankas start chucking is when the Indian batsmen start to soil themselves.
 
Sachin fan said:
How does, What long ago retired players did, matter today to you?

Those who continue to live in the past will never have a future! - Beem Weeks

People who live in the past generally are afraid to compete in the present - Sparky Anderson

Losers live in the past. Winners learn from the past and enjoy working in the present toward the future. Denis Waitely

To live in the past is to die in the present - Bill Belichick

Those who live in the past are cowards and losers - Mike Ditka

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Not that I disagree with you about the pitfalls of glorifying the past, I do want to say that as a society we have come to over glamorize people like belichick and ditka and peterno and the rest of the lot.
 
captain.hansolo said:
The last one who chucked wasn’t able to make much of a difference. It’s when the Sri Lankas start chucking is when the Indian batsmen start to soil themselves.
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Yet Sri Lankans couldn’t win a single test in India.

Chucker murali was smashed around everywhere by Indian team
 
uppercut said:
Yeah poor Akram gets harrassed for no reason many decades later that too for missing the 1996 Q/F, Shoaib gets trolled for "Mujse bowling nahi ho rahi" and ofcourse the many unnecessary TVs that were broken by fans soon after those 7 matches and issuing threats to players ... for no good reason because pretty soon India would Exit .... if only they had waited. :ROFLMAO:

BTW why was everyone celebrating like crazy after the 2021 T20 WC win? Kufr toot gayi , Calling it a religious victory and giving it religious angle ?

Whats the next excuse to down play those losses across 3 decades to save face? Hilarious
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O unfortunately Pakistan could never make Indians cry 😢 and their players never felt how Wasim and Shoaib felt
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kron said:
Yet Sri Lankans couldn’t win a single test in India.

Chucker murali was smashed around everywhere by Indian team
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credit where credit is due. were it not for the two recent 50 score bashings that we handed our brothers across the Palk Strait, the most infamous of all thumpings that involved india and sri lanka was the 200 odd run trouncing handed to us by vaas and murli in sharjah back in the 00s.

of course since then we have enjoyed using them as a punching bag, especially lately, the bilateral series not withstanding...
 
Lol...the poor life of @Mesozoic get online, get humbled and owned by TBE and then wait for me to get offline 🤣🤣
1. Owned first by bashing his 3-1 gaffe
2. Then owned by showing him Pak superiority in finals 10-3 or 9-3 whatever makes him feel good.
3. Then get owned by his new admissions. PAK LEAD IND 2-1 in ICC finals
4. Then gets owned by releasing a new gaffe...2019 Pak vs Ind was a do or die encounter 😂
And the list goes on and on....
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The Bald Eagle said:
Lol...the poor life of @Mesozoic get online, get humbled and owned by TBE and then wait for me to get offline 🤣🤣
1. Owned first by bashing his 3-1 gaffe
2. Then owned by showing him Pak superiority in finals 10-3 or 9-3 whatever makes him feel good.
3. Then get owned by his new admissions. PAK LEAD IND 2-1 in ICC finals
4. Then gets owned by releasing a new gaffe...2019 Pak vs Ind was a do or die encounter 😂
And the list goes on
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Like seriously? Your team totally sucks, you just lost a series to NZ B Team 1-4, you have been losing left, right, and center in ICC events for years, threads keep popping up you are, and here you are proclaiming superiority over India in how many times you have knocked India out? Smell the coffee dude. This is beyond pathetic to be honest. If I were in the situation you are in, I would be humble and accept my team sucks and hope they can get better and give me a reason to smile. There is a time to gloat and there is a time for introspection, you should be doing the latter. Your glory days are far behind- as Sidhu will say, a lit candle 100 yards away will not warm you on a cold night.
 
charlie007 said:
Like seriously? Your team totally sucks, you just lost a series to NZ B Team 1-4, you have been losing left, right, and center in ICC events for years, threads keep popping up you are, and here you are proclaiming superiority over India in how many times you have knocked India out? Smell the coffee dude. This is beyond pathetic to be honest. If I were in the situation you are in, I would be humble and accept my team sucks and hope they can get better and give me a reason to smile. There is a time to gloat and there is a time for introspection, you should be doing the latter. Your glory days are far behind- as Sidhu will say, a lit candle 100 yards away will not warm you on a cold night.
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I was just answering a guy suffering from my threads success...and don't derail the thread with Pakistan stuff as we have many others relevant
 
The Bald Eagle said:
You are glutton for punishment....lol

Getting embarrassed as usual...why did you got knocked out of CT 2009. Because you lost a match and that match was against Pakistan and obviously would have lost against Aussies too who wiped the floor with your team at your home venues in the very next series after CT 2009..as I said all you can do is ramble and can't NEVER talk with facts. Thanks you have acknowledged that.

But but sir rain saved Australia 🤣
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What is this logic? India got knocked out because they lost to Pakistan and obviously 'would have' lost against Aussies??

These would have, could have doesn't hold a candle in real world.

Man, You're king of weird threads and posts.
 
You know what Pakistan could have defeated England too in 1992 and India to New Zealand in 2019 had rain not spoilt the party
Buzzinga said:
What is this logic? India got knocked out because they lost to Pakistan and obviously 'would have' lost against Aussies??

These would have, could have doesn't hold a candle in real world.

Man, You're king of weird threads and posts.
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The Bald Eagle said:
You know what Pakistan could have defeated England too in 1992 and India to New Zealand in 2019 had rain not spoilt the party
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They could have, may be not.

Man all I'm saying you can't predict what could have happen. You don't base your logics on assumptions.

Talk about what happened, not what could/would have happen.

For all we know SA could have won the WC a long time ago if not for rain. But they didn't thats the fact.
 
Buzzinga said:
They could have, may be not.

Man all I'm saying you can't predict what could have happen. You don't base your logics on assumptions.

Talk about what happened, not what could/would have happen.

For all we know SA could have won the WC a long time ago if not for rain. But they didn't thats the fact.
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Ok what about CT 2004, who eliminated India 🤔
 
2019 Ind vs Pak vs do or die though. If Pak won that they would have gone through. Same thing like 2021 Ind vs Pak.

If 2021 counts then does 2019, 2023, 2014, 2016, 2003, 2024, 2025 etc.
 
Buzzinga said:
I didn't remember, but just saw the entire tournament as it progressed on Wikipedia.

There is no shame in accepting that India got knocked out because they lost to Pakistan in the tournament.
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I really appreciate honest guys like you instead of some 3-1 gaffes...and yep 2021 win of Pakistan wasn't a do or die stuff but just a significant win
 
The Bald Eagle said:
You are glutton for punishment....lol

Getting embarrassed as usual...why did you got knocked out of CT 2009. Because you lost a match and that match was against Pakistan and obviously would have lost against Aussies too who wiped the floor with your team at your home venues in the very next series after CT 2009..as I said all you can do is ramble and can't NEVER talk with facts. Thanks you have acknowledged that.

But but sir rain saved Australia 🤣
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And you post half truths all the time.

India Pakistan match was a group match. Not a knockout.

India had a chance to qualify despite losing that match.

So Pakistan didn't knock India out..

You probably did a copy paste from somewhere without checking and is now desperate to defend it.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
A merit based team can still beat Pakistan with ease....why till this date Pak U19 bully India, but on international level these stars mostly get ignored. PCB for us.
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Isn’t PCB responsible for U19 team?
And India U19 leads Pak U19 15-10 with 1 tied game, so keep dreaming. The real smokescreen is putting your head in sand and pretending all’s well with you. Get out from under your rock and see the reality. It’s only going to get worse.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Lol...so finally you accepting that U19 holds importance....so get owned again

As now in ICC finals it's 2-1 Pakistan against India 😎...But but sir kiptly cup and 7 others were in India, Bangladesh and Sharjah 🤣🤣
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India Pakistan played one ICC final that's 2007 T20WC.

Rest are age group games. Not officially recognised ODIs or T20IS.

Try harder.
 
charlie007 said:
Isn’t PCB responsible for U19 team?
And India U19 leads Pak U19 15-10 with 1 tied game, so keep dreaming. The real smokescreen is putting your head in sand and pretending all’s well with you. Get out from under your rock and see the reality. It’s only going to get worse.
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I still believe no way Pakistan is behind India in talent wise...could be at par...the problem arise when PCB is run as a political institution
 
cricketjoshila said:
India Pakistan played one ICC final that's 2007 T20WC.

Rest are age group games. Not officially recognised ODIs or T20IS.

Try harder.
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India easily beat Pakistan in an ICC tournament final (World Championship of Cricket) in 1985 too when Ravi Shastri won the Champion of Champions award and an Audi. Too long ago though but just because bald bhai brought it up.
 
cricketjoshila said:
And you post half truths all the time.

India Pakistan match was a group match. Not a knockout.

India had a chance to qualify despite losing that match.

So Pakistan didn't knock India out..

You probably did a copy paste from somewhere without checking and is now desperate to defend it.
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Yes, India had a chance to save themselves but against whom? 🤔 Zimbabwe or peak 🦘
 
charlie007 said:
India easily beat Pakistan in an ICC tournament final (World Championship of Cricket) in 1985 too when Ravi Shastri won the Champion of Champions award and an Audi. Too long ago though but just because bald bhai brought it up.
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Bhai ap b trapped ho gye 😂
 
The Bald Eagle said:
I still believe no way Pakistan is behind India in talent wise...could be at par...the problem arise when PCB is run as a political institution
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You can believe what you want to but the difference now is larger than ever before. I truly believe, and this is not to gloat, but India’s second XI can beat Pakistan’s current top XI 8/10 times in a T20 or ODI game.
Please define talent for me - this is getting really interesting.
 
charlie007 said:
You can believe what you want to but the difference now is larger than ever before. I truly believe, and this is not to gloat, but India’s second XI can beat Pakistan’s current top XI 8/10 times in a T20 or ODI game.
Please define talent for me - this is getting really interesting.
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Sufiyan Muqeem, Arafat Minhas etc
 
Don't remember India ever being this bad as Pak is currently, and still some people think the divide is a smokescreen
 
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