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[PICTURE] Fact check: Moqa Moqa is nothing but a smokescreen by Indians to hide their embarrassing record against Pakistan

pakistani pride said:
A message to Indian (cricket) fans.
We - Pak cricket fans have criticized the team for the past years. Even in such extreme levels like, dismantling the Pak cricket team.

On the other hand, we will always defend the team, that will be the case, even if the team has let us down big time recently.
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What does this mean ? Does it mean that you will do the typical Ostrich pose of head in sand and continue to believe that Bilateral Series >>> World Cups ?
 
Time to set up a few series with Pakistan so we Indians can get this H2H record off our 56-inch chest once and for all. :kp :inti
 
It’s high time the ICC steps in and issues an official apology to Pakistan for allowing cricket’s ultimate troll campaign, Mauka Mauka, to run amok. This wasn’t just a roasting, it was a full-blown cricketing genocide, leaving generations of fans emotionally scarred.

The roasting was so savage that it reportedly became a strategic reason for a team to avoid progressing to second round of tournaments, why risk another Mauka Mauka ad when you can bow out quietly?

No issues if Mauka Mauka gets inducted into the Cricket Hall of Fame for its sheer trolling brilliance, but the ICC must now intervene and put an end to this roast before the world runs out of Burnol.

:inti
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Why running away now, scarred to dive into details.... No sweat and tears may be then
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I usually avoid these threads, but this piece of stats suprised me.

Indians have been bragging about how well they play against Pakistan in World Cups when the preassure is on. Well that is fine.

But there is no more preassure games than finals in tournaments and Pakistan lead 8-3, wow, that was a real surprise. So Pakistan actually handle the preassure when it matters the most lol.
 
IAJ said:
I usually avoid these threads, but this piece of stats suprised me.

Indians have been bragging about how well they play against Pakistan in World Cups when the preassure is on. Well that is fine.

But there is no more preassure games than finals in tournaments and Pakistan lead 8-3, wow, that was a real surprise. So Pakistan actually handle the preassure when it matters the most lol.
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yeah sure finals of kitply cup have more pressure than semis and quarters of world cup lol.
 
uppercut said:
and you will do that by pretending Bilaterals >> WC Matches ? Whats your plan of attack here ?
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Plan of attack?
Just chill.

Like I said given the poor state of Pak cricket, things are not easy.

No one can take away the record H2H, how you see that is of course to the individual.
 
However, looking at the overall H2H records, just feel how pathetic were were till about 2000's when we probably started to reverse the W-L ratio.....
In the first 2 ODI WC's we lost to every one inlcuding SL who were not even a test team....the only guys we beat was East Africa in 1975-probably a bunch of pizza tossers and burger flippers coming together as a team....

we were that pathetic and the easy beats of the world....and to see where we are now....its a tribute to our planning, resilience, foresight, our FC structure, the talent scouts etc.
This holds true in a large pic for a lot of other sports as well as out side sports establishments and fields as well....
:ua
 
pakistani pride said:
Plan of attack?
Just chill.

Like I said given the poor state of Pak cricket, things are not easy.

No one can take away the record H2H, how you see that is of course to the individual.
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I am convinced they are just trolling here. Pak have better h2h 88-77 this is a huge lead and undeniable. India have more ICC trophies. I am ready to understand if Indian fans say they prefer to have the extra trophies to h2h but it is equally valid to say some prefer to have h2h advantage against bitter rivals. If India can reverse this 11 match deficit against us we can revisit this thread. Till then (which is never) :sendoff
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
However, looking at the overall H2H records, just feel how pathetic were were till about 2000's when we probably started to reverse the W-L ratio.....
In the first 2 ODI WC's we lost to every one inlcuding SL who were not even a test team....the only guys we beat was East Africa in 1975-probably a bunch of pizza tossers and burger flippers coming together as a team....

we were that pathetic and the easy beats of the world....and to see where we are now....its a tribute to our planning, resilience, foresight, our FC structure, the talent scouts etc.
This holds true in a large pic for a lot of other sports as well as out side sports establishments and fields as well....
:ua
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We needed a good pace attack and then eventually a good pace all rounder.
Hardik Pandya has provided a lot of stability to team selection and thats where we are winning.
Ashwin, Jadeja, Pandya, Axar... a proper bowling all rounder are the key to any team that wins consistently.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
I am convinced they are just trolling here. Pak have better h2h 88-77 this is a huge lead and undeniable. India have more ICC trophies. I am ready to understand if Indian fans say they prefer to have the extra trophies to h2h but it is equally valid to say some prefer to have h2h advantage against bitter rivals. If India can reverse this 11 match deficit against us we can revisit this thread. Till then (which is never) :sendoff
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Arre even if India overcomes the gap. Pakistan once had @W63L35 a hug huge gap of 28. Unless India gets to that level H2H record, India should be considered behind Pakistan. :sa
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
I am convinced they are just trolling here. Pak have better h2h 88-77 this is a huge lead and undeniable. India have more ICC trophies. I am ready to understand if Indian fans say they prefer to have the extra trophies to h2h but it is equally valid to say some prefer to have h2h advantage against bitter rivals.
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Only someone who does not understand the difference between WC and bilateral series would do that and it would be purely for face saving reasons.

I have said it before... you can go claim that Pak won every single bilateral ODI ... pretty sure not many people will call give a crap.

RizwanT20Champ said:
If India can reverse this 11 match deficit against us we can revisit this thread. Till then (which is never)
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Here is the other thing the 88-77 gap is closing much rapidly than you think just 2 yrs ago it was 73-88 and it will pretty Much be even in about 5 yrs time or so but I can assure you that the massive gap in WorldCup wins which now stands at 15-1 will never be closed in your lifetime even if you are just a teenager lol.

Now thats proper ownage and all Pak posters can do is cry a river after everybeatdown and this particular meltdown is now going on for an entire week... So satisfying lol


@pakistani pride
 
pakistani pride said:
No one can take away the record H2H, how you see that is of course to the individual.
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Naaah not the individual but the cricketingworld at large has already decided and the verdictis that the WC take precedence over everything else... there is a reason why the ICC ensures that the WC matches are held without fail every so many years. Whereas most teams have looong since forgotten about Bilateral ODIs and even if they are held the top players are usually missing. Just look at your own ongoing bilateral series with NZ right now.

This is the reality.
 
IAJ said:
I usually avoid these threads, but this piece of stats suprised me.

Indians have been bragging about how well they play against Pakistan in World Cups when the preassure is on. Well that is fine.

But there is no more preassure games than finals in tournaments and Pakistan lead 8-3, wow, that was a real surprise. So Pakistan actually handle the preassure when it matters the most lol.
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Depends on what type of final? Coca cola cup kind of finals?

Or Asia Cup T20WC kind of final?

Are coca cola cup kind of finals more important than a knockout match of a ICC event?

Also Pakistan hasn't reached the Knockouts of a WC since 2011, infact pakistan has been to only one WC knock out since 2000. This is about 50 over WC. That match pakistan lost.If you don't reach the knockouts no fear of losing.

T20WC there has been one knockout and Pakistan has lost.

India has never lost a Asia Cup final to Pakistan.

India has lost 1 ICC final to Pakistan.

So the question arises, which are these 8 finals?

The current standing for India vs Pakistan finals in 3 or more team finals is 8-4

Question is which are these 12 finals

India Won Finals

1985 World Championship of Cricket

Teams: India Pakistan Australia WI England Sri Lanka NZ

1998 Silver Jubilee Independence Cup Final 1 and Final 3

Teams India Pakistan Bangladesh

2007 T20WC

India Lost Finals

1986 Austral Asia Cup

Teams: India Pakistan Sri Lanka Australia NZ

1991 Wills Trophy

Teams India Pakistan WI

1994 Austral Asia Cup

Teams India Pakistan Sri Lanka UAE Australia NZ

1998 Silver Jubilee Independence Cup
Final 2

India Pakistan Bangladesh

1999 Coca cola cup

Teams India Pakistan England

1999 Pepsi Cup

Teams India Pakistan SriLanka

2008 Kit ply Cup

Teams India Pakistan Bangladesh

2017 CT



Now ask yourself how many of those finals were as important as 1996 QF or 2011 Semi final or any other WC match.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Disclaimer: This thread has been made in response to some Indians, who needlessly derail other threads by irrelevant mention of Pakistan.

Indian team is better to Pakistan team in recent times and no one is contesting that but a lot of factors contribute to this recent slump of Pakistan with incompetence of PCB and it's politicization being a major factor. But besides India's laudable record against Pakistan in the ICC World Cup tournaments they trail Pakistan in almost every facet of the 1 v 1 stats

Below stats are until September 2023

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Current standings for benefit of all (Credit: RizwanT20 Champ)

1. 73-58 in ODIs
2. 12-9 in Tests
3. 3-10 in T20Is
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Can you post a source for your 8-3 tournament final claim?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Now ask yourself how many of those finals were as important as 1996 QF or 2011 Semi final or any other WC match.
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Even the latest 2025 CT knockout which was a must win game for Pakistan otherwise they would be eliminated from their own tournament and the subsequent rona-dhona and epic meltdown that continues well after the Tournament has ended absolutely positively re-confimes what is more important.

Honestly even the most hard core Cricket fans cannot name those dime-a-dozen pepsi/cola/hajmola trophies and what happened. The only reason why posters here hang on to them is for face saving reasons.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Its 8-4 i think.
And all the Pakistan finals are sharjah wins in the 80s and 90s.
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uppercut said:
Even the latest 2025 CT knockout which was a must win game for Pakistan otherwise they would be eliminated from their own tournament and the subsequent rona-dhona and epic meltdown that continues well after the Tournament has ended absolutely positively re-confimes what is more important.

Honestly even the most hard core Cricket fans cannot name those dime-a-dozen pepsi/cola/hajmola trophies and what happened. The only reason why posters here hang on to them is for face saving reasons.
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Two of those final wins came in 1999. Two weeks apart.

One in Sharjah called the Coca cola cup

One in Bangalore called the Pepsi Cup.

From mid 90s to 2000 Pepsi and Coca Cola were going hammer and tongs against each other in Cricket sponsorship.

Then ICC signed the ambush marketing clause. First in Cricket. And now you hardly see much pepsi and Coca Cola cups.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Its 8-4

The OP conveniently removed one win from India. Thinking no one will check.
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Even the WC ODI stat in the OP is wrong its 8-0 and the ODI Overall Stat is wrong too should be 73-58 not 73-56 .... seems like this stat is from before 2023 WC ... lol
 
uppercut said:
Naaah not the individual but the cricketingworld at large has already decided and the verdictis that the WC take precedence over everything else... there is a reason why the ICC ensures that the WC matches are held without fail every so many years. Whereas most teams have looong since forgotten about Bilateral ODIs and even if they are held the top players are usually missing. Just look at your own ongoing bilateral series with NZ right now.

This is the reality.
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PCT current series vs NZ is a T20 series which cant be compared to ODI series between Pak and India.

The 92 and 99 WC games really do not mean a lot and cant be compared to a series win vs India. Also in both WCs India was playing like a minnow.

Now the 96 and 2011 wins are massive wins, but QF 96 will always have question marks over it.
 
pakistani pride said:
PCT current series vs NZ is a T20 series which cant be compared to ODI series between Pak and India.
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Correct because only one of them is still being played and the other has been disbanded. And the one that is being played right now has soo many 1st choice players missing from both sides. So yeah tell me what sense it makes to gloat about these Bilateral series ? Especially when you know very well that Pakistan benefited hugely by not having to play in the last 13 years vs India ?​

pakistani pride said:
The 92 and 99 WC games really do not mean a lot and cant be compared to a series win vs India. Also in both WCs India was playing like a minnow.
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Tell that to the players the received death threats.


pakistani pride said:
Now the 96 and 2011 wins are massive wins, but QF 96 will always have question marks over it.
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Again tell that to the players the are still being hounded and ridiculed. It is not India's fault that your team had issues. At this rate you will put question marks on even the recent CT win lol but it only makes these wins soo much sweeter.

Ohh BTW any thoughts on applying Question marks and asterix to the Matches held in Sharjah in the 80s and 90s?
 
Pakistan cricket is in doldrums and the fans can only think of opening 100 threads about India and how the team was better once? This is actually very funny and sad at the same time. You know another team which took a long time to realise they were not the same team they were once and now they don't even qualify for Champions Trophy. We are talking about West Indies. They at least realised what they were good at and concentrated on T20's and won two World Cups. Actually they have more ICC trophies than Pakistan in the last 20 years. Pakistan on the other hand are still in denial bringing up how they were once and how they defeated India in a series 12 years ago. The fact of the matter is that Pakistan haven't won a single ODI against India since CT 2017 finals. Their T20 record is nothing to be proud about either. The fact of the matter is that if the team management and PCB do not realise that their team is going down worse than WI decline soon, the only thing Pakistan will be bragging about is their record against India which will only remain because the two teams don't play bi-laterals.

No amount of insults by your former players or fans is going to persuade India to play any series against Pakistan. It is not going to happen and India knows that they are a better team, some historic head to head is not going to change that. Like I said WI hold a positive head to head in Tests vs India as they were way better in the 70's and 80's but that does not make them better Test team than India currently. You can hold on to the record for ever as it is going to remain for a long time but it is not going to do anything to better the current state of cricket in Pakistan.
 
uppercut said:

Correct because only one of them is still being played and the other has been disbanded. And the one that is being played right now has soo many 1st choice players missing from both sides. So yeah tell me what sense it makes to gloat about these Bilateral series ? Especially when you know very well that Pakistan benefited hugely by not having to play in the last 13 years vs India ?​



Tell that to the players the received death threats.




Again tell that to the players the are still being hounded and ridiculed. It is not India's fault that your team had issues. At this rate you will put question marks on even the recent CT win lol but it only makes these wins soo much sweeter.

Ohh BTW any thoughts on applying Question marks and asterix to the Matches held in Sharjah in the 80s and 90s?
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Of course the current Pak team benefits from not playing India.

But we will defend the team when required, in this case it is not only about the current state. It is about the history between both teams. Currently India is better, but Pak has dominated India for a long period.

There is nothing wrong in stating or accepting that.
 
giri26 said:
Pakistan cricket is in doldrums and the fans can only think of opening 100 threads about India and how the team was better once? This is actually very funny and sad at the same time. You know another team which took a long time to realise they were not the same team they were once and now they don't even qualify for Champions Trophy. We are talking about West Indies. They at least realised what they were good at and concentrated on T20's and won two World Cups. Actually they have more ICC trophies than Pakistan in the last 20 years. Pakistan on the other hand are still in denial bringing up how they were once and how they defeated India in a series 12 years ago. The fact of the matter is that Pakistan haven't won a single ODI against India since CT 2017 finals. Their T20 record is nothing to be proud about either. The fact of the matter is that if the team management and PCB do not realise that their team is going down worse than WI decline soon, the only thing Pakistan will be bragging about is their record against India which will only remain because the two teams don't play bi-laterals.

No amount of insults by your former players or fans is going to persuade India to play any series against Pakistan. It is not going to happen and India knows that they are a better team, some historic head to head is not going to change that. Like I said WI hold a positive head to head in Tests vs India as they were way better in the 70's and 80's but that does not make them better Test team than India currently. You can hold on to the record for ever as it is going to remain for a long time but it is not going to do anything to better the current state of cricket in Pakistan.
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PCT teams fans now the current state - since you are a member of this forum just check some posts I have re current Pak team.
 
pakistani pride said:
Of course the current Pak team benefits from not playing India.
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So then what is the point of this stat then when it is soo farcical and pointless ? What meaningful conclusion can you draw from the Overal H2H stat ? This is like Indians gloating over Past Hockey Olympic medals when we struggle to qualify today.

pakistani pride said:
But we will defend the team when required,
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How ? What is the logic and what are you even defending ?

pakistani pride said:
in this case it is not only about the current state. It is about the history between both teams. Currently India is better, but Pak has dominated India for a long period. There is nothing wrong in stating or accepting that.
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Domination has no meaning if it does not include the real big cheese' in Cricket - WC matches. As I said before this is like a student gloating about ... well I got perfect 100/100 in my mid terms, home work and other assignments when the reality is that he FAILED all Final exams. This is essentially what you are trying to do ... defend the indefensible. Makes no sense at all.

And even before there was social media and internet in India the WC was a completely different animal altogether. You can pretend all you want but this is the hard real fact. There is a reason why your players got threats after losing to Ind in WC matches and used to escape from Airports thru backdoors fearing violent backlash from irate fans. There is a reason why soo many TV's got trashed. There is a reason why Waz, Waqar and Amir Sohail will never be able to forget the 96 QF. There is a reason why Wasim's father got threats when Wasim did not even play in the 96 QF.

Tendulkar is on record saying this about the 2003 WC Match vs Pakistan ... Every where he went prior to that match ... fans would remind him about the upcoming WC match vs Pakistan ... the message invariably was its ok to lose the WC Final but not the match against Pakistan. The hype before that match was surreal.​
 
uppercut said:
So then what is the point of this stat then when it is soo farcical and pointless ? What meaningful conclusion can you draw from the Overal H2H stat ? This is like Indians gloating over Past Hockey Olympic medals when we struggle to qualify today.



How ? What is the logic and what are you even defending ?



Domination has no meaning if it does not include the real big cheese' in Cricket - WC matches. As I said before this is like a student gloating about ... well I got perfect 100/100 in my mid terms, home work and other assignments when the reality is that he FAILED all Final exams. This is essentially what you are trying to do ... defend the indefensible. Makes no sense at all.

And even before there was social media and internet in India the WC was a completely different animal altogether. You can pretend all you want but this is the hard real fact. There is a reason why your players got threats after losing to Ind in WC matches and used to escape from Airports thru backdoors fearing violent backlash from irate fans. There is a reason why soo many TV's got trashed. There is a reason why Waz, Waqar and Amir Sohail will never be able to forget the 96 QF. There is a reason why Wasim's father got threats when Wasim did not even play in the 96 QF.

Tendulkar is on record saying this about the 2003 WC Match vs Pakistan ... Every where he went prior to that match ... fans would remind him about the upcoming WC match vs Pakistan ... the message invariably was its ok to lose the WC Final but not the match against Pakistan. The hype before that match was surreal.​
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I do not know for you, but for myself in this case even though it is hard but I will always try and make sure to stand behind the team, even more so when our rivals start ridiculing the team.

in this case you keep mentioning the WC, but then I also suggest you to read the reports about several Pak players and in particular Wasim Akram re match fixing. Also it would be fair if you talk about the TEST wins Pak achieved on Indian soil. We will know how tough it is to win TEST matches in India.

Your student theory about gloating (LOL) can also be applied to India, yes they did beat Pak in 2003 but did they win the cup? No.
 
cricketjoshila said:
@The Bald Eagle

Can you please post a link for this 8-3 finals figure?
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Thanks CJ for posting details in post #344, but will add the details that you missed
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And obviously you guys don't consider the following final at all 😂

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So the revised score is 10-4 or if you want to say but but then 9-4

@Rajdeep
Sorry bro ap to khul gye 🤭😜
 

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@Mesozoic, ok you are invited too. I ignored you on purpose to have no nuisance on weekend.

So if you want to debate in a civilized manner then most welcome.

Or if you want to just type "cry, weep, tear" like a wet baby or a senile old man then better be prepared for the consequences of troll...as they say two can play this game 🥱
 
For historical reasons i am sharing this. Don't care about this H2H. It is totally irrelevant. This is one match that was special because it happened at the Lords. About 8000 people watched the final. Crowd invasion became uncontrollable.



under-15 Lombard Cup. Both reached final unbeaten

Some known Pakistan figures were Taufeeq umar, hasan Raza, Bazid khan, Faisal iqbal, Yasir Arafat, Kamran Akmal, Sohaib Malik

Known Idnian players Mohammad Kaif

India beat Pakistan by 4 wicketrs in a 55 over game

Reetinder singh sodhi the captain took 3 for 34 & made 82 not out.

www.espncricinfo.com

vs Cricket Scorecard, Final at London, August 20, 1996

Get cricket scorecard of Final, vs , Lombard Under-15 Challenge Cup 1996 at Lord's, London dated August 20, 1996.
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Thanks CJ for posting details in post #344, but will add the details that you missed
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And obviously you guys don't consider the following final at all 😂

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So the revised score is 10-4 or if you want to say but but then 9-4

@Rajdeep
Sorry bro ap to khul gye 🤭😜
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You started with house of cards for Indian International team and now all of a sudden you have started to add A Team, U-19 etc also
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
You started with house of cards for Indian International team and now all of a sudden you have started to add A Team, U-19 etc also
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Nope you guys forced me to start this, check op disclaimer.

And I must say a stupid enemy is a blessing in disguise....Never thought this thread would be so successful
 
Mesozoic said:
India knocked Pakistan out -

1. 1996 WC
2. 2007 WT20
3. 2011 WC


Pakistan knocked India out -

1. CT 2017

3-1 in India's favour.

:shhh
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Pakistan Knocked India out in 👇

1.CT 2004
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2. CT 2009
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3. CT 2017

So in ODIs it's 3-2 in Pakistan favor 🥱🥱🥱🤫
 
OP is coming across as desperate as usual.

As mentioned before, the Mauka Mauka ad was created specifically to highlight India’s winning streak over Pakistan in World Cups—a streak that has lasted for four decades and remains one of the most one-sided records in any sport. Calling it a smokescreen by comparing it to the overall head-to-head record is simply grasping at straws.

Yes, Pakistan holds a better head-to-head record, largely due to their dominance in Sharjah during the 90s. However, if India had continued playing regular bilateral series with Pakistan, this record would likely have been overturned by now. In the last 10 years, India leads the head-to-head 7-1; in the last 20 years, it’s 25-15 in India’s favor; and since the turn of the millennium, it stands at 31-26. It’s easy to see that had there been consistent bilateral cricket, Pakistan’s slim historical lead of 15 extra wins would have been erased.

And that’s just in ODIs. In T20Is, a relatively newer format, India already leads the overall head-to-head 9-3.

To put it simply, Pakistan won a number of inconsequential matches against India in the 80s and 90s but consistently faltered in ICC World Cups. Since the 2000s, they have been on the losing end more often than not—both in bilateral encounters and major ICC tournaments.

Rajdeep.
 
Rajdeep said:
OP is coming across as desperate as usual.

As mentioned before, the Mauka Mauka ad was created specifically to highlight India’s winning streak over Pakistan in World Cups—a streak that has lasted for four decades and remains one of the most one-sided records in any sport. Calling it a smokescreen by comparing it to the overall head-to-head record is simply grasping at straws.

Yes, Pakistan holds a better head-to-head record, largely due to their dominance in Sharjah during the 90s. However, if India had continued playing regular bilateral series with Pakistan, this record would likely have been overturned by now. In the last 10 years, India leads the head-to-head 7-1; in the last 20 years, it’s 25-15 in India’s favor; and since the turn of the millennium, it stands at 31-26. It’s easy to see that had there been consistent bilateral cricket, Pakistan’s slim historical lead of 15 extra wins would have been erased.

And that’s just in ODIs. In T20Is, a relatively newer format, India already leads the overall head-to-head 9-3.

To put it simply, Pakistan won a number of inconsequential matches against India in the 80s and 90s but consistently faltered in ICC World Cups. Since the 2000s, they have been on the losing end more often than not—both in bilateral encounters and major ICC tournaments.

Rajdeep.
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Yep my friend, you are right...I was wrong. End of debate 😃

Pakistan won inconsequential matches and finals in India, Dhaka, Sharjah and England.
 
Rajdeep said:
OP is coming across as desperate as usual.

As mentioned before, the Mauka Mauka ad was created specifically to highlight India’s winning streak over Pakistan in World Cups—a streak that has lasted for four decades and remains one of the most one-sided records in any sport. Calling it a smokescreen by comparing it to the overall head-to-head record is simply grasping at straws.

Yes, Pakistan holds a better head-to-head record, largely due to their dominance in Sharjah during the 90s. However, if India had continued playing regular bilateral series with Pakistan, this record would likely have been overturned by now. In the last 10 years, India leads the head-to-head 7-1; in the last 20 years, it’s 25-15 in India’s favor; and since the turn of the millennium, it stands at 31-26. It’s easy to see that had there been consistent bilateral cricket, Pakistan’s slim historical lead of 15 extra wins would have been erased.

And that’s just in ODIs. In T20Is, a relatively newer format, India already leads the overall head-to-head 9-3.

To put it simply, Pakistan won a number of inconsequential matches against India in the 80s and 90s but consistently faltered in ICC World Cups. Since the 2000s, they have been on the losing end more often than not—both in bilateral encounters and major ICC tournaments.

Rajdeep.
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Right now we can only discuss what is in front of us. But if you want to go into ifs and buts, do it from both sides, so if India had played Pakistan more in the 90s, Pakistan's head-to-head lead would have been even bigger. Likewise, if Pakistan had faced India more during Ganguly's and Dhoni’s captaincy, India might have reduced the gap. See, I covered both aspects. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Right now we can only discuss what is in front of us. But if you want to go into ifs and buts, do it from both sides, so if India had played Pakistan more in the 90s, Pakistan's head-to-head lead would have been even bigger. Likewise, if Pakistan had faced India more during Ganguly's and Dhoni’s captaincy, India might have reduced the gap. See, I covered both aspects. :inti
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This is the best thing about you dear brother as a neutral fan, you cover both aspects always.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Thanks CJ for posting details in post #344, but will add the details that you missed
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And obviously you guys don't consider the following final at all 😂

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So the revised score is 10-4 or if you want to say but but then 9-4

@Rajdeep
Sorry bro ap to khul gye 🤭😜
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This is India A.

Should we count A tours now?

What next? U19 or U23?

What this has got to do with 8-3 final stats?
 
pakistani pride said:
I do not know for you, but for myself in this case even though it is hard but I will always try and make sure to stand behind the team, even more so when our rivals start ridiculing the team.
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How are you going to try that ... By pretending that Bilateral >> WC ? Please answer that question first.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Right now we can only discuss what is in front of us. But if you want to go into ifs and buts, do it from both sides, so if India had played Pakistan more in the 90s, Pakistan's head-to-head lead would have been even bigger. Likewise, if Pakistan had faced India more during Ganguly's and Dhoni’s captaincy, India might have reduced the gap. See, I covered both aspects. :inti
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This is not ifs and buts though. Stats showing that since the turn of millennium, India's head to record is better and it is embarrassingly one sided in the last decade. So had there have been regular bilateral cricket India would have cleared that deficit of 15 games without any doubt.

India had played Pakistan 45 ODIs in the decade of 90s. So dont think there was a scope of playing more. Yes we could have played more test matches.
 
Rajdeep said:
I like brother Viru who is very balanced and unbiased poster. He is like Kapil Dev who says India need to bat, ball and field well to win todays match.

:kapil
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Kapil Dev was quite overrated by Indians. In reality he was a better bowling version of Hassan Ali who played as many games as he did because of your lack of depth those days.
 
cricketjoshila said:
That's 2017. Thats all
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India were knocked out in 2021 T20 WC by Pak. Likewise in CT 2004 and 2009. What part of this don't you understand? It doesn't need to be a final or a knockout match for teams to get eliminated.
 
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There were 2 students in a class..Both are average to above average students initially..one student who cheats in class exams and scored well, however when it comes to final exams doesn't perform well. The other student was a sincere but mostly average or below average in class exams but when it comes to final exams performed better than the first student..soon the y went to higher grades and syllabus got changed, also exams including class tests got more vigilant..the first student couldn't cheat anymore and also couldn't understand the new syllabus and started flunking in all exams.. whereas the second student changed himself by joining tutions and coaching and in process became a meritorious student..after years the second student was settled in a good job, whereas the first one is yet to clear his arrears..when these 2 met each other, the first one said, now he may be settled, but in school days, he had scored higher than him in all the class tests for many years and hence he is greater than him..
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Bro, are you dense? India were knocked out in 2021 T20 WC by Pak. Likewise in CT 2004 and 2009. What part of this don't you understand? It doesn't need to be a final or a knockout match for teams to get eliminated.
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The only someone who thinks one group game is a knockout.

2021 WC India lost to Pakistan in the first game. They had 4 games to qualify.

2009 India v Australia group match got washed out.

You guys are desperately trying to hang onto something because your team has become minnow level
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Bro, are you dense? India were knocked out in 2021 T20 WC by Pak. Likewise in CT 2004 and 2009. What part of this don't you understand? It doesn't need to be a final or a knockout match for teams to get eliminated.
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They themselves first set a criterion and then shift goal posts...first it was finals, then ICC finals, then knock out and in the end get reduced to...India has 7 ICC trophies end of debate. 🤦‍♂️
 
The Bald Eagle said:
They themselves first set a criterion and then shift goal posts...first it was finals, then ICC finals, then knock out and in the end get reduced to...India has 7 ICC trophies end of debate. 🤦‍♂️
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Bro, for me I am willing to accept if they say ICC trophies are more important so India has more at the moment. My problem is they refuse to acknowledge that 88-77 is a HUGE gap and is based on real stats and ALL matches.

In CT 2004 and 2009 India got knocked out by us. In T20 WC 2021 India was knocked out again. They can use CT 2025 if they want but with zero logic Joshula is saying you cannot get knocked out in group game LOL
 
The Bald Eagle said:
They themselves first set a criterion and then shift goal posts...first it was finals, then ICC finals, then knock out and in the end get reduced to...India has 7 ICC trophies end of debate. 🤦‍♂️
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How did Pakistan knockout India in a group game in 2021 T20WC and CT 2009?
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Bro, for me I am willing to accept if they say ICC trophies are more important so India has more at the moment. My problem is they refuse to acknowledge that 88-77 is a HUGE gap and is based on real stats and ALL matches.

In CT 2004 and 2009 India got knocked out by us. In T20 WC 2021 India was knocked out again. They can use CT 2025 if they want but with zero logic Joshula is saying you cannot get knocked out in group game LOL
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Minnow level teams desperate fan logic.

Pakistan didn't knockout India in 2009 or 2021.
 
cricketjoshila said:
How did Pakistan knockout India in a group game in 2021 T20WC and CT 2009?
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Talking about CT 2009 here

Pak defeated India, and in order to qualify India depended on Pakistan to beat Australia and any cricket fan could vividly recall how Indians blame Pakistan for losing that on purpose....
 
Modi on better cricket team: India vs Pakistan:
"When it comes to the techniques of the game, I'm not an expert, but sometimes, results speak for themselves" :dhoni

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